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Friday, January 25, 2013 8:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Why is it so impossible to find a simple "paper folding" online test for spatial visualization??????

For that matter, why is every single test or study-guide for Mechanical Comprehension chock full of physics terms and mathematics that are way above the scope needed for this test for the Union?


I figured I'd take an online test for the paper folding today for my test tomorrow, but I only found one available that's not WAY beyond the scope of the test, and they're apparently having technical difficulties today....

All I'm looking for is a simple 20 or 30 question test where you fold a square piece of paper 3 or 4 times and you punch a hole or three in it.... how would the paper look when it's unfolded....

All of the other tests for Paper Folding, which apparently is the idiot's term for Spatial Visulization, look more like this:

http://www.brainbashers.com/showpuzzles.asp?puzzle=ZMZLZRFGZAUEZNMVZBQ
SZDYR





Fortunately I think I have gear and belts, and pulley systems and refraction and combustion down now. Most of the test is boring math and reading, and I'm sure I'm as close to acing those as possible, but the Paper Folding and Mechanical Comprehension are really the fun parts.

It's honestly impossible to find either of those tests online that are dumbed down to the level of questions they're asking on this test.

I honestly thought I was pretty damn good at both of them until I saw that link. I'm sure like with anything else you figure it out with time on the job.... but that requires you to actually get the job if you want to learn on the job.


I know I got a few questions more right than last year though.....

If you have a glass of water with a straw or pencil in it, it looks like it flares outward once in the water...... (not inward like I know I answered before).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HhWcabHEjT4/St226xRAicI/AAAAAAAAACc/fMM83w1f
lrQ/s320/water.JPG


Magnifying glass Concave or Convex???

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_a_magnifying_glass_convex_or_concave

Pulley systems.... way to complicated to try to explain here, but I was TOTALLY wrong before....

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6vEpCmZTuVJZK2Z
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulley


Fortunately I seemed to have gear/belt systems and fulcrum/lever systems down pat without ever even studying them, so I should get them all right again this year.....



That damn paper folding though...... I always thought I aced stuff like that, but I really have never read my results. It's infuriating that in 2013 I can't find a simple paper folding test to take online to see if I make the grade......

Testing tomorrow... wish me luck!

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Friday, January 25, 2013 10:52 AM

BYTEMITE


Good luck.

Also, all this paper folding business makes me think you might like origami. helps train the mind to think in the right way,even just following directions in a book it starts to become second nature how the paper needs to fold, along what lines to get the end results you want.

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Friday, January 25, 2013 12:55 PM

FARFLY

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Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Good luck.

Also, all this paper folding business makes me think you might like origami. helps train the mind to think in the right way,even just following directions in a book it starts to become second nature how the paper needs to fold, along what lines to get the end results you want.



Thanks Byte!

It's highly unlikely, but there is a possibility that I aced the test this time. 45 mechanical comprehension questions, 84 reading comprehension questions, 24 paper folding questions, 30 mathematical comprehension questions, and 20 mathematical pattern questions (a logic puzzle where you need to guess what the 6th number in a series would be based off of the first 5).

Last year, I felt pretty good about the overall test, but I was rushed at the end of the reading comprehension and I was kind of lost with a lot of the mechanical comprehension (basic physics) questions. Today I walked out of there confident that if I didn't make any stupid mistakes (which is unlikely given the time constraints) that there is a possibility that I aced the whole damn thing. Honestly, there isn't any question asked that I couldn't figure out the answer for, but aside from the paper folding and the mathematical pattern tests there was not enough time to be thorough and re-check every single question for stupid mistakes (Like filling in "D" when I meant to fill in "C", or hastily misplacing a decimal point).

The only thing stopping me from getting in now is the interview. I know not to wear a suit and feel like I'm putting on a front being one of only 5 people out of 300 wearing one like I did last year. I also have a very good idea about the types of questions they'll be asking this time around, so I will write all of them down and give better examples of scenarios in my past, such as "tell us about a time at work where you had a confrontation with a co-worker and how you resolved it".

Last year, I had a combined test/interview score of 83.9% which ranked me 54 out of 300 (out of over 1,500 original applicants). They only hired 35 guys. This year, I'm hoping to break 90% overall. Hopefully with a score like that and the fact that I'm testing in the area of the union with a higher turnover rate and lower caliber competition it should be a shoe-in. If the economy is even just a little bit better this year, that wouldn't hurt either.

Who knows.... if things go well, I might be the first person I know to actually be able to say that it IS possible to get into a union job without actually having a Dad or Uncle pulling strings for you




Origami is pretty cool too. I haven't done it for years, but I went through a phase when I was a kid. I LOVED Legos when I was a kid (really, what boy didn't).

My parents didn't have the money that my cousin's or friend's parents did though, and while they were getting their sprawling LEGO landscapes for Christmas, my bros and I usually just got a spaceship or car to put together. I always loved following the full color instructions the first time around, and when we'd get bored of that we'd just mash them together with older sets and use our imagination. My best friend and I would put together our own contraptions on the wheels and have "LEGO wars" in his basement and try to ram them into each other and see who's fell apart first.

Origami was a nice, cheap alternative to LEGOs though. Can't put a price on imagination when the books were free from the library and the paper was as next to free as free gets.



I'll let you know how everything goes. I should know if I'm in by mid-March. Keeping my fingers crossed.....



Quote:

Originally posted by farfly:
This kind of test? http://www.indiabix.com/non-verbal-reasoning/paper-folding/]

Hey Farfly,

I actually found that very same test yesterday in my search. That's way more advanced that what we needed to do on this test. For the paper folding, we just had a flat, square, blank piece of paper that was folded up to 4 times and a hole was punched somewhere on it after all the folding, when you unfold it, where do all the holes show up.

I'm not exactly sure how accurate that test is either. For the most part, it seems to be too "hand drawn" to be accurate. Maybe I'm just bad at that stuff, but I didn't score very well when I took it. Most of the answers I got wrong when reviewing them I didn't understand why they were wrong when looking at what the answer should have been. It just seems that with the "hand drawn" nature of the test, it leaves a lot to personal interpretation, rather than the irrefutable right/wrong answers that simple circles that are all the same size on a white square would allow.

EDITED TO ADD: Nevermind.... this had some of the same questions, but it was a VERY good test. I just took it now and got 2 of the first 3 wrong. I was able to immediately see why they were wrong. Stepped my game up and got the next 17 right :)



I'm sure taking that test helped out though. I do enjoy logic puzzles like that.


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Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:30 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Best wishes Jack! I hope you succede.

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