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If Whedon had originally intended Mal to be more dark....
Tuesday, August 3, 2004 6:43 PM
LIGHTINTHEBRAINPAN
Tuesday, August 3, 2004 8:07 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Tuesday, August 3, 2004 8:08 PM
SARDONICA
Tuesday, August 3, 2004 8:22 PM
SWITCHY
Quote:Originally posted by Sardonica: I'll admit that when I first watched Firefly, Mal was the hardest character for me to appreciate. At first, I loved the show "except for the captain", I felt he was okay but kind of "cheesey." I wanted him to be much darker, more grim. ^Mind you, I didn't have a problem at all with his acting abilities, but rather, I just felt that he was miscast.
Tuesday, August 3, 2004 8:39 PM
YT
the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same
Quote:Originally posted by lightinthebrainpan: ....why did he decide to cast Nathan Fillion?
Quote:Fillion, who primarily was a comic actor or certainly who tended in that direction?
Tuesday, August 3, 2004 10:09 PM
HEB
Tuesday, August 3, 2004 10:32 PM
WHISPERING
Quote:Originally posted by heb: I absolutely thought Nathan Fillion was the perfect choice to play Mal.
Tuesday, August 3, 2004 11:42 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Given that Fox eventually seemed to pressure Whedon to make Mal "funnier" (I'm thinking especially of some of the lines in "Trash," such as when he said "...crazy time," which I thought was perfectly delivered but seemed a bit jarring to me coming from this Captain)
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 12:59 AM
DOUBLESHINY
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 1:04 AM
PURPLEBELLY
Quote:Originally posted by switchy: I think it was the haircut.
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 4:51 AM
BROWNCOAT1
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 5:09 AM
PIERSNICA
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 5:12 AM
SIKKUKUT
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 5:57 AM
EMBERS
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:07 AM
SSJ4BLACKBELT
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:10 AM
RAISTLYNNE
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:33 AM
GWALLY
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:53 AM
WITLESSCHUM
Quote:Originally posted by RAISTLYNNE: I find myself wondering how much the two are really alike.
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:56 AM
RHYMEPHILE
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 8:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SSJ4BlackBelt: I believe Joss is bringing back the darker Mal in the movie (ie. the bank robbery in the trailer) and I cannot wait to see what Joss truly intended for Mal.
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 9:38 AM
DIGIFICWRITER
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 10:02 AM
KALIMEERI
Quote: That's the sort of Mal that I wish we'd seen but obviously didn't turn out to be true. A Mal who whilst appearing incredibly dark still seems to do the right thing by people on his boat. If Joss had been allowed to do that though I think Nathan Fillion totally could have done it - he just had to play it at the degree of lightness Fox wanted. When we see glimpses of the darker Mal Nathan is fantastic. For example in Serenity when he really, really stresses at Zoe: 'our luck! Have you noticed anything about our luck lately'
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 10:08 AM
BLEYDDYN
Quote:Originally posted by Sikkukut: Whoa, whoa, whoa, back up. TRAILER?
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 10:19 AM
KELLAINA
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 11:41 AM
GRIMLAKIN
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 2:36 PM
ARODIN
Quote:Originally posted by YT: Spielberg was sufficiently impressed with his dramatic abilities to cast him in Saving Private Ryan, as Private James Ryan.
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 2:56 PM
SHINY
Quote:Originally posted by Sikkukut: One hopes that "darker" does not mean it'll lack the humor to which we've grown accustomed.
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 4:33 PM
Quote: And Firefly has the Firefly class ship Serinity. The series to me was more about the crew of the ship. IE the Ship and it's crew. Mal is only captian of the ship insofar as he gets to generally guide things. The story of Serinity has the potential to span multiple generations of characters. And I think that is the primary source you could pull other seasons from with a new cast.
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 5:12 PM
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:12 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:32 PM
SHINYOBJECT
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 9:39 PM
SUBETAI
Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: I've always wondered, how would Mal have acted differently if FOX hadn't pressured Joss to lighten him up? If he had been as dark as Joss envisioned, what would Mal have done or not done? Here are some of my speculations on what Mal might be like if he truly left behind forgiveness, faith, and compassion. 1. Mal would have killed Patience, instead of letting her go "run her little moon." 2. Mal would have let Jayne fall out of that airlock. 3. Mal would have taken a little extra time to hunt Niska down while he was still there on his statiion, and taken care of that threat once and for all.
Quote: I think Fillion doesn't have as commanding a presence as we have come to expect from spaceship captains (like Picard or Sisko).
Wednesday, August 4, 2004 10:50 PM
Quote: Zoe's "oh yeah. now we can retire" from the movie trailer)
Thursday, August 5, 2004 1:32 AM
NEDWARD
Thursday, August 5, 2004 4:20 AM
CYBERSNARK
Thursday, August 5, 2004 3:56 PM
Thursday, August 5, 2004 4:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by lightinthebrainpan: "We have hindsight" -- that's the thing! How did Whedon KNOW that Fillion could do what he did with the character of Malcolm Reynolds?
Friday, August 6, 2004 1:34 PM
ANKHAGOGO
Quote:Originally posted by Kellaina: As for dark/not-so-dark Mal, whether intentional or not, I've always liked the fact that while there was a darker side to him, he can be a little lighter too. It's what made the character more realistic to me. The darkness is there, just below the surface but it isn't dominating him (although it easily could). Slightly off-topic question: If he was dark all the time, wouldn't he be, well, Angel?
Friday, August 6, 2004 1:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Cybersnark: I genuinely don't think this Mal could go dark and gritty 24/7. I mean, yeah, Joss could write it, and Filion could carry it off, but it'd feel wrong. Forced, even. Not while keeping "in character," and Joss is far too skilled a writer to use such an awkward and heavy-handed retcon.
Friday, August 6, 2004 2:25 PM
THOREAU
Friday, August 6, 2004 5:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by thoreau: I'd love to see the original, un-chippered Mal in the BDM. To have a character who's name is 'bad', who's briefest character description is 'loss', be happy and playful all the time is just silly. The balance in The Train Job and Our Mrs Reynolds and such was ok, but the darker Mal of Serenity is much more honest.
Saturday, August 7, 2004 6:27 AM
Saturday, August 7, 2004 8:02 AM
GHOULMAN
Quote:Originally posted by SSJ4BlackBelt: Joss and Tim also mentioned in the commentaries that they didnt know if things would have ended up they way they did in the show had they not turned Mal into a friendlier person. I believe Joss is bringing back the darker Mal in the movie (ie. the bank robbery in the trailer) and I cannot wait to see what Joss truly intended for Mal.
Sunday, August 8, 2004 11:42 AM
MISGUIDED BY VOICES
Quote:Originally posted by Sikkukut: Now the question is, are people going to like it? I'm guessing we're all capable of appreciating both sides of Firefly, but we've certainly gotten to know the Captain as... well, kind of a wacky guy sometimes. Train job especially. One hopes that "darker" does not mean it'll lack the humor to which we've grown accustomed.
Sunday, August 8, 2004 6:44 PM
THEGREYJEDI
Sunday, August 8, 2004 10:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by embers: altho admittedly he had to recast Inara.
Monday, August 9, 2004 12:55 AM
Quote: When we refer to the "darker" Mal, are we all on the same page here? I haven't seen the "original" Serenity pilot, just the DVD version, which I understand has a glimpse of the "darker" version at least.
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