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What started the war?
Monday, April 27, 2009 6:32 PM
AG05
Monday, April 27, 2009 8:20 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:20 AM
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:03 AM
BYTEMITE
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 AM
CHRISISALL
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:02 AM
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:37 AM
BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN
Quote:Originally posted by AG05: Is there any canon material out there that details the causes of the Unification War?
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman: [Idea 1 involves an event based on the Boston Tea Party. In the 1770's the parliment of Britan was involved with croneyism with the East India Company. EIC got the exclusive right to monoplize tea in the americas in 1773 and in return England got to tax it. The result was a riot we know of today as the Boston Tea Party. In Firefly the Blue Sun Corporation plays the role of EIC. (Refer to a Blog post I created a year ago called "what is the blue sun corporation?" for detailed analysis of this). We came up with an idea that in the 'verse, the parliment on Londinium passed a resolution that Blue Sun would have the right to monopolize certain aspects of trade on the rim worlds. Since Persephonie is a border/core world and a nexus for trade, it became a hub of anger over these new restrictions. One evening a group of radicals calling themselves "Browncoats" instigated a riot in the Evestown docks and burned several Blue Sun Ships. In our fan film we are creating a news piece relating these events. Note that after the war Blue Sun maintains a stranglehold on trade at the docks per the many banners present in the pilot episode. Idea 2: That the call for independence occurs on Shadow (the beating heart of the rebellion, serving the function of South Carolina in the civil war) and that they pass a resolution much like the 2nd contenental Congress did that reads something like this: RESOLVED That these confederated worlds are, and of a right ought to be FREE AND SOVERGN SPHERES That they are absolved of all alligence to the Anglo-Sino Alliance And that any political connection between them and the Alliance is, and of a right ought to be TOTALLY DISSOLVED These are a couple things we are working on. None of this is canon, but depending on how well the film goes, mayhap.
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:57 PM
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:25 PM
NCBROWNCOAT
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 PM
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AG05: So the Out Ring planets were under nominal Alliance control to begin with? Ok, I can kinda see that. The expliotation of natural resources makes perfect sense, but it was never stated explicitly in either the show or the film, so I wasn't sure. Major parallel with the Boer War there. I was unaware that the Miranda genocide took place prior to the War. I had always assumed that it had taken place just AFTER the start of the war, in an effort by the Alliance to keep this sort of trouble from happening elsewhere. I'm assuming the public excuse for the war was something along the lines of "Civilize 'em with a Krag*" or some other savage-taming bullshit.
Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:15 AM
Quote:The Core worlds would be the launching pad for the societal infrastructure of the Verse, but the population and Power would shift outward, eroding the tight fist of the Alliance in the Core.
Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AG05: I'm kinda iffy about using Shadow as the beating heart of the Rebellion, It would certainly explain it destruction during the War.
Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AG05: Thanks for the timeline info! Interplanetary history has never been my strong suit. I blame Public Education Quote:The Core worlds would be the launching pad for the societal infrastructure of the Verse, but the population and Power would shift outward, eroding the tight fist of the Alliance in the Core. Which the Alliance could not stand for. Makes sense. It may also be the case that the Alliance never WANTED the Outer Planets to be completely self-viable.
Quote: Neo-Mercantilism if you will. The Outer Planets provide the wealth of new natural resources, but ship those resources to the Core for processing into finished goods The Core worlds then sell the finished product back to the Rim, with a nice markup along to way. Just a thought. Genocide, coverups, rebellions, and 17th century Imperial economics. What a fun 'Verse! On another question: Was there any one incident that took place that the Alliance used as a public excuse to go to war? I understand the need to keep the Miranda snafu quiet, but even Core Planet sheeple need to be told some BS story about the savage Rim world before they'll support a shooting war. Any ideas what that story was? Mercy is the mark of a great man. Guess I'm just a good man. Well, I'm alright.
Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:59 PM
CELLARDOOR
Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:51 AM
Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by ncbrowncoat: Lurking a bit now too. I do say that some "incident" is needed for the Alliance to use as a pretext for war. There was Lexington and Concord, the firing on Ft. Sumpter etc. It could be a "manufactured" incident like the USS Maine exploding in the Havana harbor. That incident was exploited by Hearst in order to boost circulation of his newspapers. In fact, the Spanish-American War was referred to as "Mr. Hearst's little war." Ironically historians now think it was an internal coal explosion and not a bomb that destroyed the Maine. http://fireflyfaninnc.livejournal.com/
Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:31 AM
RALLEM
Friday, May 1, 2009 5:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by jewelstaitefan: No incident would be needed, just a story. The sheeple will believe anything the "news" media tell them, and/or the government tells them.
Friday, May 1, 2009 6:38 AM
ELVISCHRIST
Friday, May 1, 2009 10:49 AM
Friday, May 1, 2009 1:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AG05: Quote:Originally posted by ncbrowncoat: Lurking a bit now too. I do say that some "incident" is needed for the Alliance to use as a pretext for war. There was Lexington and Concord, the firing on Ft. Sumpter etc. It could be a "manufactured" incident like the USS Maine exploding in the Havana harbor. That incident was exploited by Hearst in order to boost circulation of his newspapers. In fact, the Spanish-American War was referred to as "Mr. Hearst's little war." Ironically historians now think it was an internal coal explosion and not a bomb that destroyed the Maine. http://fireflyfaninnc.livejournal.com/ Dammit, you beat me to the USS Maine thing! Bluesuncompanyman's thought about burning ships in port got me thinking about that. But you're right, I think an actual incident is needed. Grieving mothers and all that. Add that certain Alliance spin, and presto! War. Mercy is the mark of a great man. Guess I'm just a good man. Well, I'm alright.
Friday, May 1, 2009 5:43 PM
TRAVELER
Saturday, May 2, 2009 11:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AG05: Quote:Originally posted by jewelstaitefan: No incident would be needed, just a story. The sheeple will believe anything the "news" media tell them, and/or the government tells them. I dunno. We in the 21st century are media savvy enough to call bullshit when we smell it. I can't imagine it'd be any different 500 years in the future.
Sunday, May 3, 2009 2:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by jewelstaitefan: Quote:Originally posted by AG05: Quote:Originally posted by jewelstaitefan: No incident would be needed, just a story. The sheeple will believe anything the "news" media tell them, and/or the government tells them. I dunno. We in the 21st century are media savvy enough to call bullshit when we smell it. I can't imagine it'd be any different 500 years in the future. I am unable to determine if you are being sarcastic or if you're just delusional.
Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by traveler: This makes sense. Free trade being abolished by giving Blue Sun an open contract to abuse the rim worlds. Oh and lets not forget the tax. Gotta tax this stuff. If you lost the war to regain your trade rights, the next best thing is to become a smuggler. So this is Mal's justification for his work. His own way to stick it to the man. So you have two types of worlds on the rim. Planets like Shadow that has an honest and just local government that is bitter about unjust laws and then there are planets like the ones Jaynestown and Heart of Gold are located on, where the people are surfs. So rebellion only requires some voices to speak out and some action like a tea party. http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731 Traveler
Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AG05: Quote:Originally posted by jewelstaitefan: No incident would be needed, just a story. The sheeple will believe anything the "news" media tell them, and/or the government tells them. I dunno. We in the 21st century are media savvy enough to call bullshit when we smell it. I can't imagine it'd be any different 500 years in the future. Think about it this way: Inara beleived the Alliance version of whatever happened to start the war. Do you think she's be suckered in by some completely fictitious story? Or would she require at least SOME evidence to buy it? Mercy is the mark of a great man. Guess I'm just a good man. Well, I'm alright.
Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:06 AM
Quote:I am unable to determine if you are being sarcastic or if you're just delusional.
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