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Serenity: Better Days Issue #3 Wednesday 5/14/2008 Told ya it was a Firefly/Serenity episode! Here be SPOILERS!
Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:01 PM
ANONYMOUS1
Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:34 AM
KATESFRIEND
Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:06 PM
Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:07 AM
SINKINRUBBERDUCK
Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:51 AM
THATWEIRDGIRL
Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:17 AM
CHRISISALL
Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:30 AM
Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:48 AM
DAVESHAYNE
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Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by daveshayne: That's just flat out wrong.
Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by daveshayne: That's just flat out wrong.But interesting...although Select to view spoiler:it contradicts Mal's need for coin in Serenity just a bit... Still, a good comic IMO.
Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by daveshayne: Yeah it's just making me re-evaluate Mal.
Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by daveshayne: Yeah it's just making me re-evaluate Mal. IMO Mal has never been above bein' a idiot... He's not one to lead, remember.
Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:53 PM
Friday, May 16, 2008 5:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Anonymous1: episodeSelect to view spoiler:Inara thought that Mal would invite a man on his boat who needed to come upstairs with a big knife to convince people to tell where the money was. River...
Friday, May 16, 2008 9:49 AM
NBZ
Quote:Originally posted by daveshayne: So you're saying Inara was mistaken? Because the evidence suggests otherwise.
Friday, May 16, 2008 9:59 AM
KNIGHTREYEDER
Friday, May 16, 2008 10:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by nbz: Quote:Originally posted by daveshayne: So you're saying Inara was mistaken? Because the evidence suggests otherwise. I would say yes she was. If not of the conspiracy, then atleast of the motivation.
Quote:Select to view spoiler:Notice how Mal's captors just walk away at the end instead of nabbing Zoe (and him)? As for how they knew the location... what exactly were Kaylee/Simon/River doing during the whole episode?
Friday, May 16, 2008 12:11 PM
Friday, May 16, 2008 1:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by nbz: If (and this is still not established - it is a big step) we accept that Mal gave it up, a bigger "reason" would be freedom. A chance to walk away and not be taken to a potentially pre-decided court of law.
Quote:Another (for me greater) possibility is that the ship was tracked through the beacon for the broadwave. Simon/River/Kaylee gave away the stash to survive.
Friday, May 16, 2008 1:51 PM
Quote:Select to view spoiler:He already got his get out of Alliance Prison free card from Ephraim after the firefight. "We good here?" "Good enough."
Friday, May 16, 2008 2:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by nbz: which would have been *after* his prior negotiations. Firefight/robbery seemed to take place at around the same time.
Quote:As for he crew 'fessing up - or not - their reactions were not shown. Did River alert the other to the guy she had kicked? no idea.
Quote:So my main question asking where Simon/Kaylee/River is still very important.
Quote:For 1, the possibilities seem to be a0 they were told,
Quote:b) they guessed based upon the crew's lavish holiday,
Quote:or c) they were stalked through the past, maybe by whoever the original money belonged to. (Jayne was recognised by the monk...)
Quote:For 2, a) they were told,
Quote:or b) they tracked the signal.
Quote:For 3, a) they were told,
Quote:or b) they were especially good at searching/knew where to look in fireflys, the money has some how trackable.
Quote:Another possible scenario: Jayne set up a trust fund for himself. Hired a few goons to get the money when he knew it would not be defended. Something to fall back on if times get rough for him.
Friday, May 16, 2008 5:37 PM
Friday, May 16, 2008 7:19 PM
Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Anonymous1: Inara is wrong.
Saturday, May 17, 2008 7:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by daveshayne: Elsewise Joss and Brett are guilty of the worst storytelling ever.
Saturday, May 17, 2008 12:34 PM
Saturday, May 17, 2008 1:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by nbz: Back on topic Select to view spoiler:even though I think it was a little late for these... if it WAS Mal - a better explanation than selfishness would be the need for freedom from his captors. Either way, one thing which is not clear is why they left without Mal and Zoe. "bonding" over a little fire fight does not cut it for me.
Saturday, May 17, 2008 1:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Anonymous1: River told them where the money was to save them. And I think Mal figured it out and is covering for River. Because it could be nobody else but River. And her motive was to keep the crew safe. Remember that is why she left Serenity in the movie.
Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by daveshayne: Select to view spoiler:So what you are saying is that Mal cracked under torture and bribed his captor into releasing him with the location of the loot? Does that seem likely to you? Besides the whole implacable enemies find respect for each other after being attacked by a third party has a rich history in the literature of the western.
Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by nbz: Anonymous1: If River was the leak, how would Mal find out, and why would he "cover"?
Saturday, May 17, 2008 7:13 PM
GWEK
Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:10 PM
EMBERS
Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by GWEK: His ship has been blown up, one of his men is dead, and he and his remaining man are injured. Instead of "just Zoe," he's now facing four opponents (Zoe, Mal, Wash, and Book), with the sniper who killed his man (Jayne) still in hiding and able to attack.
Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:55 AM
Quote:GWEK wrote: Somebody screwed up. Could be Joss and Brett. Could be the artist. Could be whoever edited. But somebody screwed SOMETHING up.
Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:40 AM
Quote:Jayne killed no one in Serenity: Better Days. Darn, there are no page numbers. Jayne says "That weren't me!".
Quote:Thought of another reason for letting Zoe go. Mister Sanda said "It baffles me how a lady of Inara's standing came to associate with one of these war criminals." Maybe he is not so baffled now after fighting along side Zoe and Mal. He also said "one". Is Inara's standing simply that she is a companion? Hmmm.
Quote:The fourth man is piloting the ship and manning the guns. Don't see him, can't really tell from the shadow in the cockpit, but Mister Sanda says "Perhaps if you had a ship with guns". So I think he would have left one man at the controls and not given up that advantage and he was informing Zoe by saying that. Ship also had missles. Very useful to take out a sniper. Epecially if a spotter told you where the sniper was.
Quote:The fifth man is the spotter with Book.
Quote:The robber on the ship is not part of Mister Sanda's team. I've got proof. The ear pieces. The spotter has one. All of Mister Sanda's team have one. The robber doesn't have one.
Quote:Then that made me think what if the robber was really one of Mister Sanda's special Ops team and took off his ear piece because he was betraying Mister Sanda. Could Zoe have arranged for Book to "distract" the spotter with a boatload of cash. She paid off Niska. Then I dismissed that idea because these are Special Ops AND I REALLY BELIEVE RIVER DID IT. The Special Ops team still use codes from the war. Zoe and Book or even Mal couldn't count on the spotter or any of the Special Ops team being bribed by money. Wonder what Book did to distract the spotter.
Quote:Wish the robber's flak jacket and outfit didn't look so much like the Special Ops team.
Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:08 AM
Quote:Unless we all are somehow missing the bigger picture.
Quote:As for Mal getting someone else (a third/4th/5th party) to rob the crew, the trouble for me is less his motivation, more him allowing others on his boat.
Quote:Mal is truly capable of screwing anyone over, but is he capable of allowing unsupervised access to his ship?
Quote:As for the captors letting them go because they were out gunned, they did not seem to show any hard feelings. no "I'll get you next time". No "Drat's" or any other saying typical from any evil body. (yes I am exaggerating a little, but they seemed a little too comfortable with letting them go).
Quote:As for Jayne not trusting anyone to do the job for him because of what he learnt on Ariel... What he learnt on Ariel was that he cannot trust the Feds. Can't rule him out totally, or any other member of crew. Even Zoe or Book. Actually, Book leads to interesting questions... because it easy to see him as the thinking type... (as for my "position", I do not buy that Mal did it out of just greed. After whodunnit is open for consideration for everyone. All 9 members of the crew.)
Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:46 AM
Quote:Why are you saying Sanda's evil? He's just doing his job. Sure, he's failed at his job, but not necessarily because of Mal so much as the scarred man. There's really no REASON for him to hold a grudge, is there?
Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:30 AM
PLATONIST
Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:30 AM
Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:11 AM
Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Platonist: Am I completely off base?
Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:34 AM
Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Platonist: So Mal brokerages the deal and River follows thru?
Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:35 PM
Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:45 PM
Sunday, May 18, 2008 1:07 PM
Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:32 PM
Sunday, May 18, 2008 7:35 PM
Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:34 PM
Quote:A possible scenario, Gwek, but to a viewer that would create dramatic inconsistencies with Mal's character. Mal is a big boy and not naive enough to believe or expect that he is to be a part of his crew's fantasy life. And we know he certainly doesn't want to be included in Jayne's. I can't see him staging a theft based on the possibility that Zoe and Wash leave Serenity to start a family that he's not a part of as Captain Uncle Mal.
Quote:Sorry, that's getting a little freaking weird and a side of a character that I would never want to see.
Quote:Plus, where would that leave the potential for other storylines, are we to always believe that anytime they hit it big Mal would sell them out, because he is to insecure to let others move on with their lives? Viewers would anticipate the outcome before the heists are in the planning stage.
Quote:And at the ending, Inara wants to believe in the very best of Mal’s intentions just as he wants to be her hero, so I wouldn’t put much stock in her view point as being anything close to what really happened, and as long as she believes Mal to have done right he isn’t going to say anything to contradict it.
Monday, May 19, 2008 9:04 PM
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