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Originally posted by annuette:
I think Kaylee would have become bored by Simon.

I think after the movie it would have been all sex and fun but i just think it would have fizzelled out. I also think Kaylee would have been the one to end the relationship.

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Originally posted by SunLitLaz:
Just a thought, for all those folk that didn't like the River fight scene in Serenity, and that it made her SuperGirl or something. Isn't that precisely what the Alliance did to River? Make her a super badass fighting machine?

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I liked the juxtaposition of having an actual Western in space. Star Trek said space was the final frontier. Firefly showed it.

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Originally posted by Starrbaby:
I also *don't* want Mal and Inara to get together . . .ever. The tension between them is too awsome to break. I think if the series continued, and Mal and Inara got thier acts together, that would have been the equivalant of jumping the shark. It would have been down hill ever since.

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Originally posted by Lambytoes:
I don't think that anyone else on the ship would have gotten married, or have kids. I could have seen Wash and Zoe maybe having kids, but really, having all of the other characters getting together and married, with kids, (which I've seen in many fics) is just to sappy for me. I seriously doubt that those people would find true love, or whatever you want to call it. It's far to predictable, and very un-Joss.

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I liked the juxtaposition of having an actual Western in space. Star Trek said space was the final frontier. Firefly showed it.

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Christ Almighty, I didn't realize how many browncoats were not only completely superficial, but slaves to media ideals. This is disappointing as hell.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
BTW #2 - 6string, you have such potential, and then you go on these rants that, I'm sorry to say, make you sound like such an ass. Man - don't do that! I'm so close to thinking you're really cool. Quit getting in the way! (Should I put a kissy emoticon thingy here or a knife in the head? Ah hell - you decide what my tone is.)

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Originally posted by Orpheus:
My unpopular opinion? You really want it? Alright...

My unpopular opinion: The BDM has too many jokes. It's too funny. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the humor (most of it anyway), but the first half of the film feels like they're trying to shoehorn as much of the show's humor as possible. From the time we meet Mal to the moment Simon starts arguing with him, it's quip-joke-quip-quip-turbulence-gag-joke-Simon. It's always felt like too much to me. I get that Joss had to draw in newcomers and satiate fans at the same time, but I think he overdid the humor.

As much as I hate to say it, the movie doesn't really become "Serenity" to me until Book shuffles loose the mortal coil. Until then, it was just "Firefly: The Movie".

Start the thrashing now.

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And some smile, flirt, and say "Hey, I'm really liking you a lot."

What's so hard about that?

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Step into a guys shoes for a little while and you'll have your answer.

What does a man have to do to walk into a room and have every woman in the place want to be with him? He's got to be rich and powerful or influential and definately have a lot of money.

What does a woman have to do to walk into a room and have every man in the room want to be with her? I don't know..... her hair?

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I love Heart of Gold.
I kind of love it for maybe unpopular reasons, though.
Actually, another unpopular opinion I might have is that Inara bugs the hell out of me. I never bought the chemistry between Mal and Inara, for one thing, but even if I did I don't like the way they interact. They both act like spineless, brainless juvenilles in the context of their 'relationship', even more so than Simon and Kaylee, who are younger than them! It's irritating as hell, really. And I think the way their relationship would have played out over five or seven years would have been equally irritating. They would have eventually stopped dancing around, said "oh yeah, we really do have something" been completely blissed out for about a week, and then it would all fall apart because Mal would get pissy about Inara's job again, and it would get even more stupid. She would probably leave again, Mal would get all cranky at everyone and act like a sulky, angry teenager, and it all would have been just ridiculous.
Neither of them are teenagers!
But they both act like it in relation to each other, and sometimes that spills over and affects other people!
It's annoying!
I understand that some people find teen angst to be dramatic and entertaining, but I'm not one of them, esspecially when the teen angst is coming from a 20-something and a 30-something. Seriously.

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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
here you go getting me into their nobbly little fictional heads >.< )

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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
anyone else really interested in finding out Riverdancer's opinion of them?

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Originally posted by PkDecatur:
Firefly should have had more actors who were actually Chinese. It was really a missed opportunity for a cult-popular sci-fi show to have East Asians as main or supporting characters.

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Originally posted by Jigman:
One of the reavers is dressed like Han Solo. My hand to God, I swear this to be true. You look closly at those reavers, and you will see him too.

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The reavers who are not fighting River while mostly concealed by shadows and lighting, stand around like ninjas in a bad kung fu movie, waiting for thier turn to get their ass kicked.

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Originally posted by nbz:
A further unpopular opinion is Joss lost some of his confidence and went back to some age old means. "Super Buffy mode" being one of them. (and no, I do not buy that argument about empowerment.)

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Originally posted by Lexan:
If there was such a thing as a one million+ dimensional character, River would be it.

And that's the best argument why a wider viewing audience did NOT receive River’s character well as a main character, in the BDM. They didn't know what to make of her.

She's too indefinable, almost alien (Joss' description) Viewers couldn't relate to her on a human level because she became too omnipotent. She's instantly reading minds. Does telepathy even work that fast? She's warning Mal, Zoe, and Jayne on the heist. She's kicking ass in the Maidenhead. If someone died shouldn't she be held accountable? Oh, that's right she was triggered, because we all succumb to subliminal behavioral messages . Heck, I want a cheeseburger right now.

She's witty and clever too. She looks for patterns in sand and tries to count the tiny pieces, but can only do it if you drive slower. God, I was so glad they cut that! Jayne's "bad guy" line is way cooler!

And then suddenly she's asleep (unfortunately about the same time my Grande Cadillac Margarita buzz was wearing off) and now she's chained, and crying, screaming, and suicidal (If no one else steps up, I'll volunteer to carry the bullet)

And then she escapes, convinces Mal, shares her awful thoughts, good characters die along the way (ones we really like), and she screams some more. She fights hundreds of horrible flesh eating Reavers, by herself, without receiving a scratch. Not one of them thought to put a bullet to her like they did her brother? Hey, What happened to the poison dart guy? Is he not that skilled?

And then we get to the end...she's not cured, but better, and is Serenity's new co-pilot, because ya know, she's a ship too. HUH??

And the only question anyone asks at this point is: Do you think Mal and Inara have a chance?

Unpopular opinions, oh yeah

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I don't think that anyone else on the ship would have gotten married, or have kids. I could have seen Wash and Zoe maybe having kids, but really, having all of the other characters getting together and married, with kids, (which I've seen in many fics) is just to sappy for me. I seriously doubt that those people would find true love, or whatever you want to call it. It's far to predictable, and very un-Joss.

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Originally posted by annuette:
I think Kaylee would have become bored by Simon.

I think after the movie it would have been all sex and fun but i just think it would have fizzelled out.

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Originally posted by redhead:
Oooh everyone is so brave! Do you all feel better for getting that off your chests? (Strokes chin thoughtfully)

Seriously though, I couldn't stand the River and the Reaver scene in Serenity. She's drug backwards through the doorway by her feet. I'm a black belt and with that many (20 something?) Reavers there is no way she gets up. AND then the Damn door opens while she is standing there (looking very cool, I'll give you that). AND who the heck opened the door? It's only supposed to open from the outside and River's hands are full. What she does Telekinesis, too?

My vote is River should have died! And don't get me wrong, I think Summer is an awesome actress and I loved the fragile girl coming to life in the series but I loved the series BECAUSE it was about people. I didn't want Super girl.

There I have Jayne to protect me (or at least one of the Ninja Turtles) so no one can flame me too bad!

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Originally posted by MerryK:

The music in Serenity is more moving than the Firefly music. Firefly music is atmospheric, and occasionally gorgeous. Serenity music gets to the soul of the story as well as keeping to the tone.

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Originally posted by MerryK:

None of the "popular" continuity errors in the BDM were actually continuity errors.

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Originally posted by MerryK:

Mal has never been good with dates, so his "eight months" quote is entirely within character. Mal is not suddenly not considering Simon and River as not-quite-crew because the plot demands it, it's just that things have gotten really tough and he's giving a lot of bark to Simon 'cause he can't bring himself to actually give them up, because in his heart, as he shows in the BDM, they really are part of his family now, as he said in the series. It's all talk with Mal.

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Originally posted by MerryK:

River is not any better by the end of the BDM...she's still a schizophrenic, just a slightly less traumatized one who knows her abilities.

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Originally posted by MerryK:

Simon and Kaylee would not live happily ever after, nor would their relationship fizz out. They both seem to have enough maturity that eventually, after a long and frustrating semi-courtship, would lead them together, because Kaylee values the respect and devotion Simon shows to her, and Simon values the brightness and affection that Kaylee shows to him. Simon only messes up under stress, and once the first kiss is out of the way, he'll put his foot in his mouth much less. (Objects in Space, anyone?) Once Kaylee starts hearing more of relaxed Simon, she'll be able to take his occasional messups much better. I've seen many marriages work with even more imperfect and downright clashing people, so there's got to be hope for Simon and Kaylee.

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Originally posted by MerryK:

I don't like Mal. At all. I see his good side, but it just doesn't work for me. He's often more clueless than Simon, and reacts violently and illogically to most circumstances.

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Originally posted by MerryK:

I don't like Our Mrs. Reynolds or Out of Gas. They are well written, from a purely stylistic point of view, but I don't enjoy them.

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Originally posted by MerryK:

I don't see River and Jayne getting together as a romantic couple, but I heartily support them having a relationship on par with Mal and Zoe's. I don't think Jayne or River could have a healthy romantic relationship with anyone at all, actually.

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Originally posted by MerryK:

Neither Simon nor Kaylee nor Wash need to learn how to fight. There's a place in the world for noncombatants, a much bigger place than for soliders, and I don't see why most Browncoats seem to think that Simon at least needs to kill. He's more scary with his non lethal tactics, IMO.

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Originally posted by MerryK:

Mr. Universe is totally someone the Firefly crew would know.

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After Serenity, this became the definite path for these two. The Merc and his wacky pal the Pyscho - hours of fun right there:)

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Fun little fact - it takes roughly nine people in non-combat jobs to keep one US combat troop going. That's as efficient as the Marine Corps has managed, and we do more with less better than anybody.

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I agree...and also found it rather amusing/frustrating that in a fairly PC show (what with the feminism and corrupt government), we still had macho men as the heroes.

Nice to know I'm not entirely alone in all my opinions, Jarhead. :-)

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Not entirely alone, no. As to the macho hero-type men the only thing I can say to that is that particular storytelling device still delivers on the crowd pleasing front, hence the reliance on it.

Oh and Our Mrs. Reyonds was fun, but not more than that. Trash was by far a better episode on all counts, especially at the end when Inara locked Saffron in the waste bin and delivered the prize, just as her and Mal had planned.



I’m never serious. Serious means something bad is about to happen.

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
YesIthinkKayleeisocasionallyirritatingandwhinyandkindofahornyschoolgirltypewhowouldgoafteranymanprettyandintriguingenough
andthatJewelhadwaymoreoffdaysthantherestofthecastwhichmadethewhinyworseandthecharacterlessbelievable

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Originally posted by MerryK:
I agree...and also found it rather amusing/frustrating that in a fairly PC show (what with the feminism and corrupt government), we still had macho men as the heroes.

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Originally posted by asarian:
I wanna say something about the whole "kindofahornyschoolgirltype" thingy, though, because I feel Kaylee's character is often misunderstood in that regard. *goes to dig up an older post*

I've seen folks shocked when they first learnt of Bester's "Prairie Harpie". But I say Kaylee is the near epitome of a psychologically healthy person. When it comes to sexuality, she's got no noticable hang-ups of any kind; she's neither uptight about it, nor overly obsessed with it: she neither fears the flesh, nor allows it to devour her. Sexuality just naturally flows from her innocence, rather than from anything else.

Kaylee is fairly open about sex, too ("Have good sex!"). Not because she's loose, but because she sees no harm in the mention of it (again attesting to her innocence). To her, sex is a not the harmful, creepifying elephant in the room that needs careful tiptoeing around. Kaylee has managed to integrate sexuality to a rarely attained level of normalcy.

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Originally posted by Causal:
Except the time Zoe saved Tracy's ass. And the time that Zoe went back into Niska's skyplex to save Mal. Not to mention that it always Zoe that Mal takes on jobs (instead of, say, Wash or Simon) because she's a better fighter than the two of them put together. Come now. Macho men as the heroes? The main hero may be Mal, but that doesn't mean that all the men are tough-as-nails and all the women are shrinking violets. Heck, Wash frequently jokes about his lack of involvement in combat ("I was going to watch. It was very exciting."). I think that the badass-ness goes according to character in this one, not by gender. Else Zoe's one damn fine looking man!

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