Why Don't Reavers Kill Each Other by copilot

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Why Don't Reavers Kill Each Other

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UPDATED: Tuesday, March 7, 2006 21:38
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Saturday, March 4, 2006 6:14 PM

So I have been trying to answer this question for my Significant other and I was hoping for some imput. Why don't Reavers kill each other if they're such savage beasts?

An I carried such a torch

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 6:39 PM

SIGMANUNKI

Who says that they don't?

Just because they can co-operate with eachother at one time to fulfill an objective, doesn't mean that they have a kindness to eachother all the time.

But, if we consider them animals (I AM NOT AN ANIMAAALLLL!!!.... sorry

), I believe that there are a number of species that they could be related to.

There would be a leader of the pack, which would be determined by fighting and kept by fighting. Winner gets the goal. Which doesn't have to be to the death, but hey, what do I know? I ain't a Reaver.

This would go all the way down the "food chain" to the weakest Reaver.

I hope that my tiredness didn't interfer with the above (I wish I could sleep).

I imagine others might have a differing opinion.

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 6:42 PM

MURKYMERC

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Originally posted by copilot:
So I have been trying to answer this question for my Significant other and I was hoping for some imput. Why don't Reavers kill each other if they're such savage beasts?

An I carried such a torch

This has been speculated on before..then again what hasn't. I believe the probably would during times when the hunt is slow, but as long as there or others to prey on they don't. This is the similar phenomenon that we see when countries unite during times of external threat or common need, but fall apart and turn on each other when that disappears. I suspect that the only way all religions and ethnicities in the U.S. will ever get along is if we are suddenly threatened by a Canada/Mexico coalition.

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 6:55 PM

REIGNPHORIA

Reavers, are humans reverted to their PRIMAL form, pure and simple.

They show the basic necessities of life. Food (canabalism) shelter (the boaring of other ships)and procreation(through rape). they also exhibit the necessity of clothing, (Zoey implies they use human skin for their clothes) as well.

The Reavers, though now completely untouch with their civilised human side, are still capable of living together and working together, just as cavemen were able to work together to hunt Mammoth (starring Summer Glau ;D). It's also not impossible that the Reaver's are bale to relearn basic human instincts like team work and how to use weapons, fly ships, use tactics to hunt humans.

I think George A. Romero's living dead series explains the nature of the Reavers pretty well, as it pretty much runs along what Iv'e just said. Think of it as man being reborn right from day one then evolving again.

"I wasn't plannin' on any dirt kissin' sir."
I wouldn't allow it anyway, jealous man like me."

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 7:13 PM

SAINTANDEOL

plus, it prolly isn't too much fun killing other Reavers. I bet they don't scream in terror or nuthin'. it's worth it for them to work together to find unspoiled prey.

"This is our concern, Dude."

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 7:27 PM

CHRISMOORHEAD

I like the idea of an "Alpha Reaver", makes sense. Head of the pack, so to speak, proven effective by his prowess in combat. I just feel so sorry for the guy at the other end of the chain. We'll call him, "Brett", because I have a friend named Brett who's a total loser. Poor Brett, what do you think happens to him when they can't find any regular folk to rape and eat?

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 7:30 PM

KIZYR

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Originally posted by copilot:
So I have been trying to answer this question for my Significant other and I was hoping for some imput. Why don't Reavers kill each other if they're such savage beasts?

I really think the most significant reason isn't so much the whole deal with pack mentality and wanting to accomplish a specific, primal obective. But, it has more to do with the nature of their psychosis.

The thing Joss (or Minear?) always wanted to remind us is that Reaver's aren't stupid. They're psychotic. Figure on what the PAX did to them: hyped up their aggression and all their violent instincts. Reaver's have the same traits that regular humans do, just that certain aspects are deadened (empathy, mercy, etc.) and some are emphasized (lust, power, hunger).

What I've always figured is that Reavers have an intense desire to 'despoil' anything pure and clean. It's why they cut on themselves and desecrate their flesh. It's why they torture and slice apart their victims while they're still alive. They want to ugly things up as much as possible.

Say, you know that slight desire you sometimes get to drag your feet through clean snow without any tracks in it? Kind of like that, 'cept about a hundred million times more extreme.

So yeah, Reavers don't just want to kill. They want to inflict pain and destroy. The folks on Miranda who succumbed to the PAX didn't cry out; they just lay down and died. No fun in that, so nothing for Reavers to do. The Reavers themselves desecrate their own flesh already, and they delight in pain. That's the big reason they don't kill each other. KF

~KF

Lord, I'm walking your way. Let me in, for my feet are sore, my clothes are ragged.
Look in my eyes, Lord, and my sins will play out on them as on a screen. Read them all.
Forgive what you can and send me on my path. I will walk on until you bid me rest.
~Haven Prayer

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 7:58 PM

KITCH

Reavers started out human, but I always got the jist, that they were almost like zombies, ie, feeding and killing on "normal humans" like in a zombie movie. In a zombie flick they don't kill or feed on each other, they always want "human " flesh. Just my take, and I am a huge fan of zombie movies.... sorry, but they are fun!!! (also, i understand flying a ship is way above zombie intellect, plus they have the radiation...)

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 8:42 PM

COPILOT

Thank you guys so much! Now maybe he'll stop bringing this up and let me have some Gorram peace. I love this place and I love you guys!

An I carried such a torch

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:47 PM

ANONYMOUS1

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Originally posted by Kizyr:
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The thing Joss (or Minear?) always wanted to remind us is that Reaver's aren't stupid. They're psychotic. Figure on what the PAX did to them: hyped up their aggression and all their violent instincts.

"They're all made up of rage"

And "Reavers never lie down." Maybe they never sleep which would just make them more psychotic.

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Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:25 PM

ALGUS

They do seem to have some objectives. Think about Bushwacked. Presumably they weren't carrying out an experiment, but let the one guy live for a very specific reason. What would have happened had Serenity not come along? Would he have taken that ship back and joined the Reaver fleet? That could even be a way in which Reavers add to their forces.

I have no doubt that they would pray upon themselves if they didn't have ample targets to feast upon but I also believe they have to have some sort of leadership. They distinguish between themselves with their markings (Tribal?) and others. We've only seen male Reavers AFAIK (Ive never looked that closely) but there could be a role for females as well.

Anyway, they have to retain some of their basic skills, even though their ships are falling apart they've got to do some sort of basic maintenance to keep flying. Otherwise they wouldn't be a problem, their ships would have fallen apart and they all would have died.

Although while I love to speculate about the Reavers, frankly I hope Joss never tells us anything more about them. Its what we dont know that makes them so horrifying.

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Where's the KABOOM?! There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom! *sigh* Delays...delays...

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Tuesday, March 7, 2006 7:37 PM

ANONYMOUS1

Maybe because other Reavers do not run away.

Mal talking about Reavers
Firefly: Serenity Part II

"We try to run. They'll have to chase us. It's their way."

.................................
Reavers have a way.

Don't mountain lions only attack people from behind?

Dogs can smell fear.

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Tuesday, March 7, 2006 8:30 PM

CEDRIC

This discussion reminded me of some debates I've had with folk over why it is the reavers don't just die out pretty quickly. My theory, which is totally unsupported by any evidence,

is that someone amongst the Reavers is capable of making more Pax, and that on some attacks, they just fill a ship full of it. Most of the folk lie down, and the rest join the existing Reavers.

Just a crazy idea, but I like thinking about it. Just not picturing it.

Then again, maybe they just make folk watch Alien Resurrection.

Cedric

"Some things stay with you, 'til the day you die."
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Tuesday, March 7, 2006 9:20 PM

AZTECHROME

Ok. I'd say we look to other cannibalistic societies.

Do we know Reavers don't eat each other for sure????

I mean we've seen them pass the opportunity by a couple of times. However, as has been suggested before, isn't it possible that Reavers eat Reaver-flesh when only necessary.

I believe i remember that there are similarities in certain cultures that practice canibalism.
One is that they usually come from unusually hard climates.
Two is that they don't ONLY feed on human flesh.
Three is that they ALWAYS take outsider tribesmen as victims if at all posiblle.
Four is that they avoid eating each other.... unless a dire famine strikes the community.

Maybe reavers only eat reavers when there's absolutely nothing else to eat.

In that case, the victim would simply be the weakest liability in the community. sort of a pack mentality as someone mentioned before.

-aztechrome

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Tuesday, March 7, 2006 9:38 PM

CLEANER

Whats the fun of slicing up someone that already enjoys being cut on?

"I take no pleasure in taking a life if its from a person that doesn't care about it" Stansfield, The Professional

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