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FFF.net I've Seen Serenity Thread **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Friday, June 24, 2005 11:32 AM
EVERYWORLDSPINNIN
Friday, June 24, 2005 1:50 PM
MANOFSTEEL25
Friday, June 24, 2005 2:55 PM
WHOISRIVER
Friday, June 24, 2005 4:24 PM
THUNDAR
Friday, June 24, 2005 7:01 PM
JADEHAND
Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:02 AM
RETRO
Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:55 AM
SPARTAN
Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:35 AM
CRUELIRONY
Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:43 AM
BIKISDAD
Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:18 AM
Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:30 AM
IMDAHMAN
Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:48 AM
GHOLA
Quote:Originally posted by imdahman: On a reality level, I want to know the reason for their deaths. Was it just Joss' call? Did Ron Glass & Alan Tudyk want out? Disputes? Are they bitter for now being 'out' of Firefly?
Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:59 AM
Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:08 AM
SERGEANTX
CARDIE
Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:20 AM
CALLMESERENITY
Quote:Originally posted by manofsteel25: Question for those who seen the film bit of a spoiler: Okay... according the beignning Simon snuck in and broke river out of the Alliance's grp. Now in the Pilot I understood it that "two men" got her out to Persephone in cryo and Simon picked her up and paid them off. These two are not totally unreconcilable..... but I wondered if this struck anyone else....
Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:29 AM
CAPTBAGGYTROUSERS
Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:31 AM
Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by everyworldspinnin: In AT's interview in Playbill, he stated that he loved being a character actor, and not a leading man. Perhaps he saw Firefly getting too big, and could see himself getting defined as Wash, and thus wanted out. As for Ron, if his statements in the special features of the DVD, it wouldn't make sense. Anyone ask him about this at the Indy screening? Wes "I wanna cast...Magic Missile." http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=220487
Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:27 AM
Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:49 AM
LINDALE
Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:20 AM
ECGORDON
There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.
Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:30 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by ecgordon: I've seen Serenity twice now, and Ron and Nathan were at the first Austin screening on May 5. From what they both said I am positive that in the case of character deaths it was Joss' decision on a plot level only, nothing to do with an actor wanting out for any reason. As for health concerns for Ron, for those who have seen the BDM you can rest assured that the way he appeared there is a combination of good acting and makeup. In Austin he appeared to be in extremely good shape.
Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:20 PM
SHINY
Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Shiny: I would take Ron and Alan's (I was at the 5/5 screening w/ Alan and Gina) personal statements about loving the cast, crew, characters, and story and not having wanted out (in fact, having the other actors be surprised and afraid to call/talk to them after reading the script) over rumors and random people's speculations. Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.
Monday, June 27, 2005 2:42 AM
GUILDSSISTER
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Shiny: But I wanna just add that I don't think Wash's death was a good move....period. I'm more than bit annoyed at the whole idea. It made no sense. It leaves Serenity w/ out a pilot, Zoe w/ out a husband and leaves a huge hole in the make up of the crew. His comedic ability and antics will make any future projects greatly lacking. Part of me hopes this has been a cruel plot twist by Joss just to see how fans would react, and that when the BDM premiers, Wash really doesn't die. Well, one can wish, right? " They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. " Guild Sister
Quote:Originally posted by Shiny: But I wanna just add that I don't think Wash's death was a good move....period. I'm more than bit annoyed at the whole idea. It made no sense. It leaves Serenity w/ out a pilot, Zoe w/ out a husband and leaves a huge hole in the make up of the crew. His comedic ability and antics will make any future projects greatly lacking. Part of me hopes this has been a cruel plot twist by Joss just to see how fans would react, and that when the BDM premiers, Wash really doesn't die. Well, one can wish, right? " They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Monday, June 27, 2005 3:40 AM
BLACKDOVE
Monday, June 27, 2005 3:57 AM
Monday, June 27, 2005 4:56 AM
OHIOBROWNCOAT
Monday, June 27, 2005 4:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by bikisdad: Exactly. People were dying all around our heroes during the series and the BDH's were constantly getting shot up and wounded in various ways. The great thing about this show compared to other sci-fi shows was the realism (well, one of the many great things). Did anyone seriously think that, with the dangerous lives they led, that none of them would ever die? Wash's death wasn't pointless. In fact, it was entirely pointy. I'm sure we'll see him again in flashbacks in the sequel - a well-known Joss vehicle for having dead characters continue on in the storyline. Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
Monday, June 27, 2005 5:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BlackDove: Oh come on, aren't you over-reacting just a bit? I can understand you not wanting Wash to die, but that's life!
Monday, June 27, 2005 6:08 AM
OXYOPIA
Monday, June 27, 2005 6:24 AM
Monday, June 27, 2005 7:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Guildssister: Quote:Originally posted by BlackDove: Oh come on, aren't you over-reacting just a bit? I can understand you not wanting Wash to die, but that's life! No, it's not life - it's a movie. I go to movies to escape real life....not that I want only happy endings, but unlike real life I want tragedies to make sense, or at least help the storyline. Movies are where I escape to - where I want to see the good guys win - something that almost never happens in real life; especially nowadays. I think it was very hurtful of Joss to repay all our work helping to save this show by killing Wash (for no reason IMO) and having almost no reaction from the other characters.
Quote:Originally posted by Guildssister: And "aren't I over-reacting"? You sound like Jayne....I was posting my opinion - I had read and respected everyone elses opinions, and thought mine would receive the same.
Monday, June 27, 2005 7:10 AM
IAMZOE
Quote:I go to movies to escape real life....not that I want only happy endings, but unlike real life I want tragedies to make sense, or at least help the storyline.
Monday, June 27, 2005 7:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by iamzoe: I've been thinking about the movie a lot since I saw it at one of the screenings, and reading this comment: Quote:I go to movies to escape real life....not that I want only happy endings, but unlike real life I want tragedies to make sense, or at least help the storyline. above, helped me put into words something I wanted to say about why I liked the whole of the film: Coming from the same standpoint, that I want to go to movies to escape real life, I also think if things are too far from real life you switch off - it's not an escape at all, it's a bad movie... Tragedies are senseless, and I want some sort of fiction or art that explores how that is, otherwise I can't go back to my real life with anything. Putting a 'senseless' (in the idea that it's tragical) act in a story and then continuing the story and showing that people - I'm thinking of Zoe here - just get on with it - that gives it sense. If Wash's death was 'senseless' in the idea that it was a writer adding something to shock us, then we wouldn't care so much. These characters really live... Does that make sense? I'm still not sure I said exactly what I meant to! Very interesting comments all round though.
Monday, June 27, 2005 8:57 AM
NXOJKT
Monday, June 27, 2005 9:57 AM
Monday, June 27, 2005 10:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by nxojkt: On another issue altogther, though... I loved the first scene on Serenity in the film. In case you didn't notice, there isn't an edit in the entire long intro of both the crew and the ship. Joss has done these long shots before on all three tv shows, and I was glad to see him tackle one in the film.
Monday, June 27, 2005 10:57 AM
11THHOUR
Quote:Originally posted by BlackDove: There was some nice trick editing going on in that scene since the interior sets for Serenity were broken up onto two separate sound stages on the Universal backlot.
Monday, June 27, 2005 11:48 AM
ZEEK
Monday, June 27, 2005 2:28 PM
Quote:As to some other points brought up... I too thought it was hinted at very strongly that Book had been an Operative.
Monday, June 27, 2005 4:39 PM
HOTFORKAYLEE
Quote:When Zoe was stabbed I overheard people saying, "not another one." When Jayne was shot, same thing... when Kaylee took the darts to the neck, same result. When Mal got stabbed, shrieks of horror because there was a belief that he might actually die. When the scene ended with Simon's health not confirmed, there was actual tension that he might be dead. Even with River, you didn't KNOW that she would come out of her battle alive.
Monday, June 27, 2005 8:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by bikisdad: Exactly. People were dying all around our heroes during the series and the BDH's were constantly getting shot up and wounded in various ways. The great thing about this show compared to other sci-fi shows was the realism (well, one of the many great things). Did anyone seriously think that, with the dangerous lives they led, that none of them would ever die? Wash's death wasn't pointless. In fact, it was entirely pointy. I'm sure we'll see him again in flashbacks in the sequel - a well-known Joss vehicle for having dead characters continue on in the storyline. Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares. Then why doesn't Joss make things REALLY life like and just have Serenity crash land into a building and EVERYONE dies? Just think of THAT cool action sequence!!
Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:04 AM
BROWNCOAT1
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
Quote:Originally posted by everyworldspinnin: I think we did, rather indirectly, find out Book's secret. I think Book was an Operative at one point, and had fallen out of favor for one reason or another. His comments about faith and belief matched up so well with what The Operative said. This would also explain his status with the Alliance, and his vast knowledge of military tactics and weapons. Just a thought.
Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by bikisdad: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by bikisdad: Exactly. People were dying all around our heroes during the series and the BDH's were constantly getting shot up and wounded in various ways. The great thing about this show compared to other sci-fi shows was the realism (well, one of the many great things). Did anyone seriously think that, with the dangerous lives they led, that none of them would ever die? Wash's death wasn't pointless. In fact, it was entirely pointy. I'm sure we'll see him again in flashbacks in the sequel - a well-known Joss vehicle for having dead characters continue on in the storyline. Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares. Then why doesn't Joss make things REALLY life like and just have Serenity crash land into a building and EVERYONE dies? Just think of THAT cool action sequence!! I know you were just joking there, but...remember way back before the movie was made, when Joss had just showed 'Versal his first run at a script? Remember how Joss wrote his first script as a final ending to the show? Remember that 'Versal had him re-write the script SO THAT THERE COULD BE SEQUELS? My guess is that it needed to be re-written to make sequels possible because the original script had EVERYBODY dying, just as you suggested. That's just a guess on my part, but I think we got off easy. Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:08 PM
Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by WhoIsRiver: Angel ended with, you know. Well, I won't say. But you know. Drama should be dramatic. It should be real life, gritty, damaging and damaged. That's what makes a truly interesting story. I'm sure some Firefly viewers thought we would learnt about how Serenity flew at such speed, what Gorgons per second the engine worked at yadada. No. Joss tells human stories. Our lives are painful, they're real, they're shocking, they're happy and they're here and now. Firefly was GOING TO BE a story that was painful, real, shocking, happy and then. The network cancelled it. Simple fact? Those tuning into the TV show for a purely happy time, or something to purely escape real life, or to learn technical terms? They were watching the wrong show. It's as simple as that. If Firefly was still on the air we would have been 66 episodes in now, at the end of season 3. Do you honestly think everybody would be alive and they'd be having rollocking adventures? Nope. It'd be painful, happy, damaging, upsetting, funny. A Joss Whedon show. A Joss Whedon movie. That's what makes it good. TheInside.org - Firefly Producers NEW TV series
Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:44 PM
SONG
Quote:Originally posted by BrownCoat1: Quote:Originally posted by everyworldspinnin: I think Book was an Operative at one point, and had fallen out of favor for one reason or another. My thoughts exactly, until I thought it fit too neatly.
Quote:Originally posted by everyworldspinnin: I think Book was an Operative at one point, and had fallen out of favor for one reason or another.
Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:27 PM
Quote: It would make a really interesting story, that's for sure. But I think Joss told us he ain't gonna tell it -- in the scene in the movie when Mal says, "Someday you'll have to tell me about that," and Book replies nonchalantly, "No I won't."
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