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What made you imagine Selleck was a dick?

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Saw an interview with him and he acted like a total dick. That happens.

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Take, for instance, Matt Lauer, who knew he was such a dick, yet here
we are.

I also read up on a rumor that Ellen DeGeneres is a bit of a dick. She behaves badly toward people she doesn't like; because she enjoys being
known for her charity work (and will gladly step on anyone's toes who
doesn't see things her way).

Anyway, it's not a big deal.

SGG

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

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One of your examples was IT for only 35 million dollars. You couldn't pay me to sit through that Hollywood schlockfest.

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I chose IT for a number of reasons:

1- It was a low budget film: $35 million is nothing these days.
2- It was a well-directed, well-acted, well-made Hollywood "schlock" film that grossed several hundreds million dollars. I went with friends and
enjoyed myself and I actually thought it to be a good piece of filmmaking;
a good remake.
3- It was a good story based on an iconic character

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I'm only saying that it was a good movie, not that everyone will get as much out of it as I did.

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True that. I feel that way about "Cloud Atlas."

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To this day Citizen Kane is regarded as the best movie ever made and "2001: A Space Odyssey" is somewhere near the top of that list and I absolutely hate sitting through either of them.

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Those are among the top classics of modern time, but they are from a different era, when movies were movies and delivered on a whole
different level.
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, They Shoot Horses, Don't They?,
The Conversation, Raging Bull, A Clockwork Orange, The Godfather...all
movies of a different era that are considered classics, but may not be
able to stand the test of time, by today's standards.

Even Indie films from that era: Get Out Your Handkerchiefs, Going Places,
La Cage Aux Folles, Manon of the Spring, Jean De Florette....some of the
more classic Indie foreign films of our time. All excellent, but somewhat dated. Does that diminish their greatness? I think not. But, I digress.

Not too long ago, I was watching The Excorcist on TV and I found myself laughing. I saw this movie when it first came out, and I could tell you
no one was laughing. Women would watch this flick with their feet up on
their seats. Rumors of pregnant women losing their babies abounded, but
yet I laughed at it. Just how we laugh at some of the films from the 30s.

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I'm in love with Emily Blunt because of her character she played
in Edge of Tomorrow (one of the last Hollywood movies I saw and deeply enjoyed). It's actually the only thing I know her from inside and outside
of movies.

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I'm in love with Emily Blunt from just about everything she's done. She's
not only a beautiful hunk of womanhood, she can act her ass off. I first
became aware of her in The Devil Wears Prada and have followed her career
ever since. I saw one of her early movies and decided that I would follow her to "the ends of the earth." She's amazing. I believe she shies away
from political stuff, but, no matter, she's awesome.

But I mostly study film as an art form, much like people study literature;
and try not to follow their politics.

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On the flip side, I sure as hell am not going to take kindly for some grossly overpaid actor judging me or telling me how to live my life.

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Totally agree.

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Hamill still has a lot of balls though, even if it was after the fact. I love stuff he's had to say about the new movies and his character. Specifically the part where he isn't actually playing Luke Skywalker, but just another guy with the last name Skywalker.

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Again, totally agree. I admire him because he finds a way to get his
message across, with subtlety. Remember he's in Hollywood where one
wrong move could blackball him for life. I find it inconcievable that Johnson would not listen to the actor that breathed life into his
character - Luke Skywalker. I'm not saying that Hamill is some genius
actor, just that he's a professional who played this role with great
gusto for a long time. He knows his craft.

SGG

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
All that white male protagonist bullshit is just that, bullshit!
As far as I'm concerned it's all about the story.....period!
The lead actor could be an orangutan for all I care, if the story sucks, sorry you have a flop on your hands.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
All that white male protagonist bullshit is just that, bullshit!
As far as I'm concerned it's all about the story.....period!
The lead actor could be an orangutan for all I care, if the story sucks, sorry you have a flop on your hands.

Just so happens that the Star Wars leads are white - Luke, Leia and Han.
So what?

Bottom line - a good story always wins out. Case in point: The Shawshank Redemption. It has a white and black male as lead actors, and it happens
to be a classic film. Why? Because it's a good story.


SGG

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by GWEK:
I read an article yesterday about how even if the boycott of SOLO is successful in getting Kennedy removed, it is likely to have a reverse effect from intended. Many of those boycotting seem to be doing so because of a combination of two factors: 1) hatred of THE LAST JEDI and/or 2) a desire to for more white male protagonists.

Ironically, boycotting SOLO - the only Disney-era movie featuring a white male protagonist, and also the one that it most clearly a throwback to the Original Trilogy era - sends the message that what is going to bring in the big bucks is a future that looks more like THE LAST JEDI and less like SOLO.

As for Disney making big, knee-jerk moves based on one failed movie... they're among the studios that can afford not to, if they don't want to. Back in the day, the whole whole point of tentpole movies and sequels was that you made one big movie that was sure to make money so you could make 3-4 smaller, riskier movies. If those movies made money, so much the better, but your bottom line was already secure. Disney is that concept on a massive cocktail of steroids and pixie dust.

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My parody quote of Alex Jones predicting this on May 23rd:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by whozit:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Sorry about that Whozit.

Damn. You've already squandered about 15% of your life you took back by boycotting this movie. My bad.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Forget about it, I've wasted more time watching "Flat Earth" vids.

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The Earth is flat and is only 6,000 years old. 9/11 was a false flag and the Twin Towers never even existed in the alternate universe I came from, and neither did Russians, so I really don't even know what y'all are talking about half the time in here. Donald Trump was real, but he's dead now. He went on to host The Price is Right after he got Fired from the Apprentice and met his end in a bizarre Plinko accident shortly after the fact. The Cloud People are sending laser beams into your brain and making you spend your money on Marvel and Star Wars movies. The only reason that y'all don't think you want to see Solo is because they don't want you to see another movie in the Star Wars universe starring a white male hero. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!! OBAMA TURNED THE FROGS GAY!!!!

- Alex Jones

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I followed that up on May 31st with an article on Forbes.com asking us "Are Movies Starring White Men Box Office Poison"

Old news buddy.

EDIT:

It should probably be noted that any article I've read that describes the boycott possibly having the reverse intended effect is somewhat disingenuous, as they all acknowledge the real reasons behind the boycott along side of the reverse effect they predict will be the outcome.

Disney isn't stupid... At least they're not stupid enough to not know what is truly going on here. If their actual takeaway at the end of the day is that movies with white male protagonists are in fact box office poison, that is a stance derived from intentional obtusity as a means to their ideological end.

Time will tell how moviegoers react to this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by GWEK:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
All that white male protagonist bullshit is just that, bullshit!
As far as I'm concerned it's all about the story.....period!
The lead actor could be an orangutan for all I care, if the story sucks, sorry you have a flop on your hands.

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Seems there are them as don't agree with you.

http://www.theforce.net/story/front/Give_Us_Legends_Group_Takes_Credit
_For_Kelly_Marie_Tran_Leaving_Social_Media_180980.asp

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Quote:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
All that white male protagonist bullshit is just that, bullshit!
As far as I'm concerned it's all about the story.....period!
The lead actor could be an orangutan for all I care, if the story sucks, sorry you have a flop on your hands.

Just so happens that the Star Wars leads are white - Luke, Leia and Han.
So what?

Bottom line - a good story always wins out. Case in point: The Shawshank Redemption. It has a white and black male as lead actors, and it happens
to be a classic film. Why? Because it's a good story.


SGG

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Quote:

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Originally posted by GWEK:
I read an article yesterday about how even if the boycott of SOLO is successful in getting Kennedy removed, it is likely to have a reverse effect from intended. Many of those boycotting seem to be doing so because of a combination of two factors: 1) hatred of THE LAST JEDI and/or 2) a desire to for more white male protagonists.

Ironically, boycotting SOLO - the only Disney-era movie featuring a white male protagonist, and also the one that it most clearly a throwback to the Original Trilogy era - sends the message that what is going to bring in the big bucks is a future that looks more like THE LAST JEDI and less like SOLO.

As for Disney making big, knee-jerk moves based on one failed movie... they're among the studios that can afford not to, if they don't want to. Back in the day, the whole whole point of tentpole movies and sequels was that you made one big movie that was sure to make money so you could make 3-4 smaller, riskier movies. If those movies made money, so much the better, but your bottom line was already secure. Disney is that concept on a massive cocktail of steroids and pixie dust.

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My parody quote of Alex Jones predicting this on May 23rd:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Quote:

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Originally posted by whozit:

Quote:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Sorry about that Whozit.

Damn. You've already squandered about 15% of your life you took back by boycotting this movie. My bad.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Forget about it, I've wasted more time watching "Flat Earth" vids.

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The Earth is flat and is only 6,000 years old. 9/11 was a false flag and the Twin Towers never even existed in the alternate universe I came from, and neither did Russians, so I really don't even know what y'all are talking about half the time in here. Donald Trump was real, but he's dead now. He went on to host The Price is Right after he got Fired from the Apprentice and met his end in a bizarre Plinko accident shortly after the fact. The Cloud People are sending laser beams into your brain and making you spend your money on Marvel and Star Wars movies. The only reason that y'all don't think you want to see Solo is because they don't want you to see another movie in the Star Wars universe starring a white male hero. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!! OBAMA TURNED THE FROGS GAY!!!!

- Alex Jones

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I followed that up on May 31st with an article on Forbes.com asking us "Are Movies Starring White Men Box Office Poison"

Old news buddy.

EDIT:

It should probably be noted that any article I've read that describes the boycott possibly having the reverse intended effect is somewhat disingenuous, as they all acknowledge the real reasons behind the boycott along side of the reverse effect they predict will be the outcome.

Disney isn't stupid... At least they're not stupid enough to not know what is truly going on here. If their actual takeaway at the end of the day is that movies with white male protagonists are in fact box office poison, that is a stance derived from intentional obtusity as a means to their ideological end.

Time will tell how moviegoers react to this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I guess I hadn't thought about how racist Star Wars was.
Luke could have been Jackie Chan, Leia could have been Whoopi Goldberg, for the twins - and Anakin could have been that Mexican guy Bruno Mars. That would have been so much better.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

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One of your examples was IT for only 35 million dollars. You couldn't pay me to sit through that Hollywood schlockfest.

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I chose IT for a number of reasons:

1- It was a low budget film: $35 million is nothing these days.
2- It was a well-directed, well-acted, well-made Hollywood "schlock" film that grossed several hundreds million dollars. I went with friends and
enjoyed myself and I actually thought it to be a good piece of filmmaking;
a good remake.
3- It was a good story based on an iconic character

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I'm only saying that it was a good movie, not that everyone will get as much out of it as I did.

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True that. I feel that way about "Cloud Atlas."

Quote:

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To this day Citizen Kane is regarded as the best movie ever made and "2001: A Space Odyssey" is somewhere near the top of that list and I absolutely hate sitting through either of them.

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Those are among the top classics of modern time, but they are from a different era, when movies were movies and delivered on a whole
different level.
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, They Shoot Horses, Don't They?,
The Conversation, Raging Bull, A Clockwork Orange, The Godfather...all
movies of a different era that are considered classics, but may not be
able to stand the test of time, by today's standards.

Even Indie films from that era: Get Out Your Handkerchiefs, Going Places,
La Cage Aux Folles, Manon of the Spring, Jean De Florette....some of the
more classic Indie foreign films of our time. All excellent, but somewhat dated. Does that diminish their greatness? I think not. But, I digress.

Not too long ago, I was watching The Excorcist on TV and I found myself laughing. I saw this movie when it first came out, and I could tell you
no one was laughing. Women would watch this flick with their feet up on
their seats. Rumors of pregnant women losing their babies abounded, but
yet I laughed at it. Just how we laugh at some of the films from the 30s.

Quote:

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I'm in love with Emily Blunt because of her character she played
in Edge of Tomorrow (one of the last Hollywood movies I saw and deeply enjoyed). It's actually the only thing I know her from inside and outside
of movies.

---

I'm in love with Emily Blunt from just about everything she's done. She's
not only a beautiful hunk of womanhood, she can act her ass off. I first
became aware of her in The Devil Wears Prada and have followed her career
ever since. I saw one of her early movies and decided that I would follow her to "the ends of the earth." She's amazing. I believe she shies away
from political stuff, but, no matter, she's awesome.

But I mostly study film as an art form, much like people study literature;
and try not to follow their politics.

Quote:

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On the flip side, I sure as hell am not going to take kindly for some grossly overpaid actor judging me or telling me how to live my life.

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Totally agree.

Quote:

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Hamill still has a lot of balls though, even if it was after the fact. I love stuff he's had to say about the new movies and his character. Specifically the part where he isn't actually playing Luke Skywalker, but just another guy with the last name Skywalker.

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Again, totally agree. I admire him because he finds a way to get his
message across, with subtlety. Remember he's in Hollywood where one
wrong move could blackball him for life. I find it inconcievable that Johnson would not listen to the actor that breathed life into his
character - Luke Skywalker. I'm not saying that Hamill is some genius
actor, just that he's a professional who played this role with great
gusto for a long time. He knows his craft.

SGG

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WTFF?
Are you trying to convert this thread into some kind of Cinema topic?

Somebody call the Forum Gestapo.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

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What made you imagine Selleck was a dick?

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Saw an interview with him and he acted like a total dick. That happens.

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Dick how?

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Take, for instance, Matt Lauer, who knew he was such a dick, yet here
we are.

I also read up on a rumor that Ellen DeGeneres is a bit of a dick. She behaves badly toward people she doesn't like; because she enjoys being
known for her charity work (and will gladly step on anyone's toes who
doesn't see things her way).

Anyway, it's not a big deal.

SGG

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Everybody always knew Matt Lauer was a dick, and Ellen too. Along with Joyless Behar and Larry King. What rock have you been hiding under?

Edit: OK, I get it. Because Couric was such an evil twit, he seemed harmless by comparison? Ann Curry didn't lend you a clue?


I'm having a little difficulty reconciling dick with the Tom Selleck I'm aware of. As in mutually exclusive. I finally imagined a type of person who might have that view, but I didn't think you were that type of person.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I'm not getting it Gwek. What does that article, about a tiny insignificant scumbag group of hateful trolls, have to do with the white male protagonist BS?


SGG

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Originally posted by GWEK:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
All that white male protagonist bullshit is just that, bullshit!
As far as I'm concerned it's all about the story.....period!
The lead actor could be an orangutan for all I care, if the story sucks, sorry you have a flop on your hands.

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Seems there are them as don't agree with you.

http://www.theforce.net/story/front/Give_Us_Legends_Group_Takes_Credit
_For_Kelly_Marie_Tran_Leaving_Social_Media_180980.asp

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The above story brought to you by This Guy:

Pretty sure the definition of Soy Boy has that very same picture next to it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nope.

The link you provided was bylined by one Jonathan M. Gitlin

At the bottom of the article, you can see his picture next to his name, which is the one I displayed.


So either he wrote it, or he plagiarized it. Makes no difference. In the instance of your original link, the story was brought to you by Soy Boy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I'm not getting it Gwek. What does that article, about a tiny insignificant scumbag group of hateful trolls, have to do with the white male protagonist BS?


SGG

Quote:

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Originally posted by GWEK:

Quote:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
All that white male protagonist bullshit is just that, bullshit!
As far as I'm concerned it's all about the story.....period!
The lead actor could be an orangutan for all I care, if the story sucks, sorry you have a flop on your hands.

---

Seems there are them as don't agree with you.

http://www.theforce.net/story/front/Give_Us_Legends_Group_Takes_Credit
_For_Kelly_Marie_Tran_Leaving_Social_Media_180980.asp

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Originally posted by GWEK:
SGG,

You said that you don't care who the protagonist is, as long as the story is good, which I personally agree with.

The article I linked to is about a group of, as you say, hateful trolls who have a different viewpoint. Unfortunately, although they are a small slice of fandom, they are a vocal slice, and when they are supported, even passively, their voice is magnified.

All I was getting at is that while you and I are largely on the same page, there are some folks who are far more negative in their viewpoint. Different viewpoints are perfectly acceptable... but some are just straight-up garbage.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I'm not getting it Gwek. What does that article, about a tiny insignificant scumbag group of hateful trolls, have to do with the white male protagonist BS?


SGG

Quote:

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Originally posted by GWEK:

Quote:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
All that white male protagonist bullshit is just that, bullshit!
As far as I'm concerned it's all about the story.....period!
The lead actor could be an orangutan for all I care, if the story sucks, sorry you have a flop on your hands.

---

Seems there are them as don't agree with you.

http://www.theforce.net/story/front/Give_Us_Legends_Group_Takes_Credit
_For_Kelly_Marie_Tran_Leaving_Social_Media_180980.asp

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Direct that rather insipid question to Whozit, the author of this thread.


SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

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One of your examples was IT for only 35 million dollars. You couldn't pay me to sit through that Hollywood schlockfest.

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I chose IT for a number of reasons:

1- It was a low budget film: $35 million is nothing these days.
2- It was a well-directed, well-acted, well-made Hollywood "schlock" film that grossed several hundreds million dollars. I went with friends and
enjoyed myself and I actually thought it to be a good piece of filmmaking;
a good remake.
3- It was a good story based on an iconic character

Quote:

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I'm only saying that it was a good movie, not that everyone will get as much out of it as I did.

---

True that. I feel that way about "Cloud Atlas."

Quote:

---

To this day Citizen Kane is regarded as the best movie ever made and "2001: A Space Odyssey" is somewhere near the top of that list and I absolutely hate sitting through either of them.

---

Those are among the top classics of modern time, but they are from a different era, when movies were movies and delivered on a whole
different level.
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, They Shoot Horses, Don't They?,
The Conversation, Raging Bull, A Clockwork Orange, The Godfather...all
movies of a different era that are considered classics, but may not be
able to stand the test of time, by today's standards.

Even Indie films from that era: Get Out Your Handkerchiefs, Going Places,
La Cage Aux Folles, Manon of the Spring, Jean De Florette....some of the
more classic Indie foreign films of our time. All excellent, but somewhat dated. Does that diminish their greatness? I think not. But, I digress.

Not too long ago, I was watching The Excorcist on TV and I found myself laughing. I saw this movie when it first came out, and I could tell you
no one was laughing. Women would watch this flick with their feet up on
their seats. Rumors of pregnant women losing their babies abounded, but
yet I laughed at it. Just how we laugh at some of the films from the 30s.

Quote:

---

I'm in love with Emily Blunt because of her character she played
in Edge of Tomorrow (one of the last Hollywood movies I saw and deeply enjoyed). It's actually the only thing I know her from inside and outside
of movies.

---

I'm in love with Emily Blunt from just about everything she's done. She's
not only a beautiful hunk of womanhood, she can act her ass off. I first
became aware of her in The Devil Wears Prada and have followed her career
ever since. I saw one of her early movies and decided that I would follow her to "the ends of the earth." She's amazing. I believe she shies away
from political stuff, but, no matter, she's awesome.

But I mostly study film as an art form, much like people study literature;
and try not to follow their politics.

Quote:

---

On the flip side, I sure as hell am not going to take kindly for some grossly overpaid actor judging me or telling me how to live my life.

---

Totally agree.

Quote:

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Hamill still has a lot of balls though, even if it was after the fact. I love stuff he's had to say about the new movies and his character. Specifically the part where he isn't actually playing Luke Skywalker, but just another guy with the last name Skywalker.

---

Again, totally agree. I admire him because he finds a way to get his
message across, with subtlety. Remember he's in Hollywood where one
wrong move could blackball him for life. I find it inconcievable that Johnson would not listen to the actor that breathed life into his
character - Luke Skywalker. I'm not saying that Hamill is some genius
actor, just that he's a professional who played this role with great
gusto for a long time. He knows his craft.

SGG

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WTFF?
Are you trying to convert this thread into some kind of Cinema topic?

Somebody call the Forum Gestapo.

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Originally posted by second:
George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7, 8 and 9—and it was awful. It might have displaced Ewoks: The Battle for Endor, and Ewoks: Caravan of Courage, and the Star Wars Christmas Special as the three worst Star Wars productions ever made.

Fans frequently complain that remakes, sequels, and prequels have "ruined their childhood" when they don't turn out the way they'd like. Well, guys—it's invariably guys—get on your knees and thank JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson for saving your childhoods because if Lucas had his way, you'd really have had something to complain about.

George Lucas’ final trilogy plans are so dumb, fans would have begged for the return of Jar Jar.

George Lucas acknowledges “fans would have hated it”.

George Lucas has nearly completed his evolution into a sentient punchline.

What follows should make every Star Wars fan send a note of gratitude to whoever at Disney decided to buy the franchise and take it away from Lucas' control:

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/06/george-lucas-reveals-his-plan-f
or-star-wars-7-through-9-and-it-was-awful/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by whozit:
Toy R Us, the island of misfit STAR WARS toys.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by whozit:
Toy R Us, the island of misfit STAR WARS toys.

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Until it officially closes for good, anyhow.

That landfill that had all the E.T. cartridges was dug up. Plenty of room for them there now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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