Does college still have a purpose in the age of ChatGPT? by 6ixStringJack

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Does college still have a purpose in the age of ChatGPT?

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Tuesday, May 27, 2025 1:59 PM

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college-still-have-a-purpose-in-the-age-of-chatgpt/articleshow/121437441.cms

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Not really.

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For many college students these days, life is a breeze. Assignments that once demanded days of diligent research can be accomplished in minutes. Polished essays are available, on demand, for any topic under the sun. No need to trudge through Dickens or Demosthenes; all the relevant material can be instantly summarized after a single chatbot prompt.

Welcome to academia in the age of artificial intelligence. As several recent reports have shown, outsourcing one’s homework to AI has become routine. Perversely, students who still put in the hard work often look worse by comparison with their peers who don’t. Professors find it nearly impossible to distinguish computer-generated copy from the real thing — and, even weirder, have started using AI themselves to evaluate their students’ work.

It’s an untenable situation: computers grading papers written by computers, students and professors idly observing, and parents paying tens of thousands of dollars a year for the privilege. At a time when academia is under assault from many angles, this looks like a crisis in the making.

Please. Let's not pretend that 80% of the people who graduated college in the last 50 years didn't need any of it and nothing they paid for ever helped them a single time at any job they ever worked in their lives.

You're only noticing it now because it's impossible not to notice that nobody is actually doing any work anymore and just looking at all the stupid, low-IQ white trash coming out of colleges in current year.

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Tuesday, May 27, 2025 7:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Our colleges are mostly diploma-mills intent on sucking up those student- loan shekels by trotting students thru useless programs... BUT ... there are things you can ONLY learn in college, SIX. Physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, dentistry, medicine, biochemistry, geology, even warfare and history.

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Tuesday, May 27, 2025 7:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Our colleges are mostly diploma-mills intent on sucking up those student- loan shekels by trotting students thru useless programs... BUT ... there are things you can ONLY learn in college, SIX. Physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, dentistry, medicine, biochemistry, geology, even warfare and history.

I realize that there are Sigs, but let's be real here. How many people learn any of that and how many people do we even need in college to learn any of that?

I know full well that the answer is not zero and there is a place for higher learning in our country.

I liked biology and I did well in high school, so I took it for one of my science based core requirements and I actually aced that course, despite having the hard-assed female teacher who actually was a co-author of the TOME that we had for that class. But even then, it wasn't a "hard" class. That book was basically a waste of money. About 1,200 pages, and so big that it barely fit in your backpack and weighing in at 5lbs, but maybe we covered 50 to 100 pages at best by the end of the semester.

90% of American Citizens that go to college either have no business going to college in the first place and/or are going to end up getting nothing out of it other than a bill that they're going to spend decades paying off.

And almost 30% of Harvard students are not American Citizens. You know how many Chinese spies we've trained here???

For most of us, College is all a big fucking joke and a grift.

I resent that any job I've applied for above retail has made it a requirement for a college diploma before they'll even look at your resume. College makes 9 out of 10 kids that go there dumber after they left than they went in. I'm smart enough and/or have the required training and/or if I'm even remotely capable of doing the job I'm applying for, and I wouldn't waste anybody's time trying to apply for an engineering position, or trying to be a doctor without any training. 90% of the jobs requiring a person have a Bachelor's degree out there do not have any reason or any business making that a requirement.

Companies are figuring that out now. With the winds of change blowing as fiercely as they have been now, at my age without a degree, I might have the easiest time finding a decent job that I've ever had since the late 90's. I'm hearing stories that some companies are actually going out of their way to hire people who don't have college "education" now, and they're actively trying to hire older Gen-Xers and keeping Millennials and younger out of their buildings.

If that's true and I do decide to go back into a workforce that has more to offer me than shitty part-time retail slop, whoever lucks into me would find out pretty quick I'm a better employee in every measurable aspect than anybody they'd hired since 2005.

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Tuesday, May 27, 2025 10:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The phrase I keyed on was "I resent".

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Tuesday, May 27, 2025 11:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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The phrase I keyed on was "I resent".

You're damn right I do. Me and most of GenX.

And look around you and see where that got us.

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Tuesday, May 27, 2025 11:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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The phrase I keyed on was "I resent".

You're damn right I do. Me and most of GenX.

And look around you and see where that got us.

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You're a bright guy. It seems like if anyone could take advantage of further education, it would be you. And with the right major you get something more than a McJob. So, what was your intended college major?

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 12:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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The phrase I keyed on was "I resent".

You're damn right I do. Me and most of GenX.

And look around you and see where that got us.

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You're a bright guy. It seems like if anyone could take advantage of further education, it would be you. So, what was your intended college major?

Only went to Junior College... Never really got as far as to discuss a major. Figured at the time I wanted to get into programming or at least good paying office work. I ended up with great paying office work in 1999 and then again in 2005 and had that taken away from me twice. Without a degree, it was impossible to get any interviews even with my work experience.

Fuck that system.

If they've finally learned their lesson and realized that they don't have to un-teach a bunch of bullshit out of us old dogs with twice the intelligence as these college "educated" dummies who had their heads filled with bullshit and Communist gobbledy gook, maybe I'll reconsider.

I don't jump through hoops for anybody, and I'm certainly not going to waste any time or money getting schooling on any topics I don't need. Ever.

And I think you're missing the whole point by focusing on me here.

Even if I went back to school, what do you think I'd be doing? I'd be using the hell out of AI to get everything done because I'm the smartest guy in the room and I don't do needless work. So what's the point?

If you think the free AI people are using now is impressive, you should see the new Google AI that my brother is paying over $200 per month for and what that's capable of doing. (Something which made me immediately have concerns about the implications of this and what future class-divide AI will lead us to some day not so far away from now).

However worthless college education was to 90% of the people who got it in the last 30 years, it's worth 1,000 times less once these paid for A.I. programs start being "free".

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 12:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

You can't fuck the system, SIX. But it sure can fuck you. I thought you'd have learned that by now.

Yanno, some day you're gonna get old, and I know that everything you think you own can be taken away arbitrarily, but you seem to blinding yourself to preparing for your own future (as much as is possible).

Stop wallowing.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 2:04 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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The phrase I keyed on was "I resent".
You're damn right I do. Me and most of GenX.

And look around you and see where that got us.
You're a bright guy. It seems like if anyone could take advantage of further education, it would be you. And with the right major you get something more than a McJob. So, what was your intended college major?

You REALLY think that when McDonald's was requiring a Bachelor's for cashier it was a great idea?

Sorry, but you are just being dumb now.

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I resent that any job I've applied for above retail has made it a requirement for a college diploma before they'll even look at your resume.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 2:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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You can't fuck the system, SIX. But it sure can fuck you. I thought you'd have learned that by now.

But I kind of did though.

... at least until they gave me diabetes when they unleashed covid by giving you a jab. But I'm going to consider that one out of my control.

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Yanno, some day you're gonna get old, and I know that everything you think you own can be taken away arbitrarily, but you seem to blinding yourself to preparing for your own future (as much as is possible).

Stop wallowing.

I got 10, maybe 15 years left if I'm lucky. I'm not too worried about it.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 2:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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The phrase I keyed on was "I resent".
You're damn right I do. Me and most of GenX.

And look around you and see where that got us.
You're a bright guy. It seems like if anyone could take advantage of further education, it would be you. And with the right major you get something more than a McJob. So, what was your intended college major?
You REALLY think that when McDonald's was requiring a Bachelor's for cashier it was a great idea?

Sorry, but you are just being dumb now.

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I resent that any job I've applied for above retail has made it a requirement for a college diploma before they'll even look at your resume.

Thank you, JSF.

Most jobs don't require any degree. Not even a high school diploma, especially since none of these kids getting them today can fucking read or do any math anyway.

Any jobs that don't actually require schooling, which is the VAST majority of them, have nothing more than varying degrees of on the job training and experience that you're ONLY going to get doing that job. And very rarely does the work experience and training you got on any job above retail translate easily somewhere else other than the fact that it's not your first rodeo by the time you get to the next one, and you should have an easier time picking things up when you're new.

School, in all of its forms, for 90% of us is nothing more than a means of beating us down into cogs for the machine. Stripping away your personality and individualism as much as they possibly can for 12 years, and again for another 4 or more if you inflict that lifelong debt upon yourself to learn nothing worth learning.

This is not a bug. It's a feature. It is why the public school system was created in the first place.

They don't teach you that in school, of course, but it doesn't mean that it isn't true.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 3:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yanno SIX, your endlesss, entitled, butt-hurt whinging is boring.

Think of something new, please.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 3:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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TV host and mikeroweWORKS Foundation CEO Mike Rowe says the current labor shortage and shifting work ethic are rooted in deeper cultural changes.

“We’re the clouds from which the snowflakes fell,” he said, suggesting older generations helped create today’s workforce mindset, according to Fox News.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 3:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Yanno SIX, your endlesss, entitled, butt-hurt whinging is boring.

Think of something new, please.

Don't give a shit about your opinion.

I've done just fine despite all of it because, again, I've always been the smartest person in the room.

They might have beat the ambition out of me in school, but it wasn't all bad. I figured out how to live life the easiest way possible as a side effect of it. For better or for worse.

I might not end up doing all that much by the time I'm dead, but at least I didn't spend most of my life being part of this statistic...

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The average U.S. worker spends roughly 25% to 33% of their life working. This equates to about 90,000 hours over a lifetime. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average person age 15 and up spends about 3.56 hours per day working. For individuals who work, this average jumps to 8.13 hours per day.

90,000 hours over a lifetime. Working your asses off to make somebody else rich.

I've probably already done more than 90,000 hours of work pretty easily. But 2/3rds of it was unpaid work I did for myself, working on things I want to work on.

I'm really not complaining about anything, honestly. I've been just fine despite TPTB spending the last 40 years trying to ruin white males worldwide. I haven't lived a great life, but I've lived a good one.

If they've finally come to their senses and want to hire somebody worth hiring for a change, I could still be persuaded back into the workforce if I felt the work was worthwhile.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 4:03 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I might not end up doing all that much by the time I'm dead, but at least I didn't spend most of my life being part of this statistic...

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The average U.S. worker spends roughly 25% to 33% of their life working. This equates to about 90,000 hours over a lifetime. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average person age 15 and up spends about 3.56 hours per day working. For individuals who work, this average jumps to 8.13 hours per day.

90,000 hours over a lifetime. Working your asses off to make somebody else rich.

[Verse 1]
He wakes up in the morning
Does his teeth bite to eat and he's rolling
Never changes a thing
The week ends, the week begins
She thinks, we look at each other
Wondering what the other is thinking
But we never say a thing
These crimes between us grow deeper

[Chorus]
Take these chances
Place them in a box until a quieter time
Lights down, you up and die

[Verse 2]
Goes to visit his mommy
She feeds him well his concerns
He forgets them
And remembers being small
Playing under the table and dreaming

[Chorus]
Take these chances
Place them in a box until a quieter time
Lights down, you up and die

[Verse 3]
Driving along this highway
All these cars and upon the sidewalk
People in every direction
No words exchanged
No time to exchange

[Bridge]
When all the little ants are marching
Red and black antennae waving
They all do it the same
They all do it the same way

[Verse 4]
Candyman tempting the thoughts of a
Sweet tooth tortured by the weight loss
Program cutting the corners
Loose end, loose end, cut, cut
On the fence, could not to offend
Cut, cut, cut, cut

[Chorus]
Take these chances
Place them in a box until a quieter time
Lights down, you up and die

[Outro]
Lights down, you up and die

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 4:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Find something meaningful to do (meaningful to others, not just you) besides venting your entitled-ness online.

Get out of the house and take a walk around the block. Visit your brother... not the rich one, the other one. See how your aunt is doing. Help one of your buddies. Say "hi" to a neighbor.

Your life could be so much worse, and for someone who claims to be living just the way he wants, you sure are awfully angry.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 4:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Find something meaningful to do (meaningful to others, not just you) besides venting your entitled-ness online.

Don't get it twisted. I'm under no illusion that I'm entitled to anything. I've got 45 years of everything being taken away from me that wasn't nailed down.

I loved my last job, and I would have been happy working the rest of my life there part-time for $11.72 per hour, while being in the shape of my life... but can't even have that.

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Get out of the house and take a walk around the block. Visit your brother... not the rich one, the other one. See how your aunt is doing. Help one of your buddies. Say "hi" to a neighbor.

Not bad advice. Duly noted. I'll take it under consideration.

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Your life could be so much worse, and for someone who claims to be living just the way he wants, you sure are awfully angry.

I never said I live the way I want to live. I live the way I choose to live, given the circumstances. I don't play by their rules because fuck their rules.

I know it could be way worse. It would be if I were a stupid white male.

But that's where the blessing part of being quite a bit above-average intelligence ends and the curse part comes in.

I'm simply too smart to be happy.

How many truly smart people do you know in your life that are truly happy? Any of them that you can name are probably just really good at keeping that mask from slipping, much like I am in real life. I don't share any of these opinions with any real people in my real life. Honestly, most of them are probably too stupid to even have conversations like this with, and those rare few that are smart enough don't have any time for my bullshit because they've got enough of their own to deal with everyday.

In our modern society, most smart men end up dying by their own hands. I have no doubt that is in my future at some point. We're still quite a ways from that and I have things I still need doing before that happens, but once my health is failing me in any significant way and I can no longer take care of myself, or I'm dealing with some issues that just make everything day-to-day a miserable, painful slog, let's just say that I won't be putting anybody else out because of it. And I sure as hell won't ever be caught living in an assisted living home.

I'll just make my way to whatever the next plane of existence is at that point, and I'll do it in as dignified a way as possible when it happens. On my own terms, just how I lived my life, and not caught pants down with my pud in my hands like half these jokers end up being found.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 4:51 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Oh... and I don't expect you to listen to me bitch or complain. That's your choice. I wouldn't listen if you were bitching and complaining about anything either.

I'm sure you've been fucked 12 ways from Sunday all your life too, in your own special way, and nobody wants to hear about any of it.

But feel free to post all about it even if it probably won't be read.

I find it to be quite therapeutic sometimes to put the words down on paper and get them out of your head where they aren't serving any purpose and don't need to be residing. Just turns out I prefer typing them out rather than writing them.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 8:39 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Oh... and I don't expect you to listen to me bitch or complain. That's your choice. I wouldn't listen if you were bitching and complaining about anything either.

I'm sure you've been fucked 12 ways from Sunday all your life too, in your own special way, and nobody wants to hear about any of it.

But feel free to post all about it even if it probably won't be read.

I find it to be quite therapeutic sometimes to put the words down on paper and get them out of your head where they aren't serving any purpose and don't need to be residing. Just turns out I prefer typing them out rather than writing them.

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Who wouldn't want to know about the non-stop soap opera going on inside a Trumptard's mind? 6ix, you're very entertaining in a way that the less articulate Texas Trumptards can never be.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 8:39 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

America Turns Its Back on the World

Blocking foreign students is an act of self-destruction — and self-betrayal

By Paul Krugman | May 28, 2025 at 5:36 AM

https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/america-turns-its-back-on-the-world

My wife and I are co-authors of a widely used textbook on the principles of economics, which is revised on a three-year cycle. When a new edition comes out, I normally visit a number of schools that might adopt it, usually giving a big public talk, a smaller technical seminar, and spending some time with students and faculty. I enjoy it, by the way; there are a lot of good, interesting people in U.S. education, and not just in the high-prestige schools.

So it was that at one point I found myself visiting Texas Tech in Lubbock. Yes, it seemed pretty remote to someone who has spent almost his whole life in the Northeast Corridor, but as usual the overall experience was very positive. And it was also surprisingly cosmopolitan: there were students from many nations. I just checked the numbers, and currently 30 percent of Texas Tech’s graduate students are international.

So it is all across America. Our nation’s ability to attract foreigners to study here is one of our great strengths. Or maybe I should say was one of our strengths.

According to Politico, a cable from Marco Rubio, the secretary of state, has directed U.S. embassies and consulates to halt all processing of visa applications from foreigners hoping to study in the United States. This is reportedly a temporary measure in preparation for a new system in which would-be students will be screened on the basis of their social media history. And you can be sure that the criteria for denying entry will go far beyond, you know, advocating terrorism. Probably asking “Why was Trump talking to West Point grads about trophy wives?” will be grounds for rejection.

This completely insane policy move is presumably a temper tantrum in response to a court’s rejection of the administration’s attempt to prevent Harvard from admitting foreign students, which was in turn a temper tantrum in response to Harvard’s rejection of demands from Trumpists that they be allowed to dictate the university’s hiring and curriculum.

The courts will probably reject this policy move, too, but I worry that Rubio and co. can put enough sand in the gears of the visa process to bring the entry of international students to a near halt. And even if they can’t, the clear message to students that they aren’t welcome (and may be arrested once here) will have an immensely chilling effect.

It’s hard to overstate the self-destructiveness of this move, and the war on higher education in general. This is madness even in purely economic terms.

We don’t often think of education as a major U.S. export, but it is. International students typically pay full tuition and require little or no financial aid. Here’s “education-related travel,” basically international students, compared with some other major U.S. exports:

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics

And because international students typically pay full freight, while domestic students often don’t, foreign students help support higher education financially. That’s a big deal. My sense is that most people have no idea how important higher education is as a source of jobs, many of them middle-class. Here’s a comparison of employment in “Universities, colleges and professional schools” with employment in some politically prominent sectors:

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics

Apparently, Making America Great Again means destroying one of our most successful industries.

But wait, there’s more.

International students make up an especially large proportion of graduate students. And if you know anything about higher education, you know that grad students do a lot more than study. More often than not, they participate in research — some of it financed by the government, some of it sponsored by foundations, these days often sponsored by businesses. There are good reasons America’s clusters of high-tech innovation, from Silicon Valley to Greater Boston, are often centered around great research universities. And ambitious international students, sometimes bringing new perspectives, are part of what keeps these research universities great.

Last but not least, international students often get something important from the experience of studying in America that goes beyond what they learn in classrooms and labs. They learn what it means to live in an open society, and bring that knowledge home. We talk about “soft power,” which is very real. But this actually goes beyond that. Educating students from abroad helps to disseminate fundamental American values around the world.

Of course, the people now running things do not themselves accept what people like me consider fundamental American values. They may insist that they’re pro-American, but what they mean by “America” is a land of bigotry where your identity is determined by blood and soil, a land of closed borders and closed minds.

And they must be resisted to save the America I believe in.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 8:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Oh... and I don't expect you to listen to me bitch or complain. That's your choice. I wouldn't listen if you were bitching and complaining about anything either.

I'm sure you've been fucked 12 ways from Sunday all your life too, in your own special way, and nobody wants to hear about any of it.

But feel free to post all about it even if it probably won't be read.

I find it to be quite therapeutic sometimes to put the words down on paper and get them out of your head where they aren't serving any purpose and don't need to be residing. Just turns out I prefer typing them out rather than writing them.

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Who wouldn't want to know about the non-stop soap opera going on inside a Trumptard's mind? 6ix, you're very entertaining in a way that the less articulate Texas Trumptards can never be.

Mayhap the resident Billionaire does know who I am and where I live afterall...

He just knows its far safer for him to pretend he doesn't know who I am so he can just continue to make death threats to me safely from behind that computer screen on a weekly basis that never had any fangs behind them.

I don't blame you for being afraid of me Second.

I'd be afraid of me too.

Meanwhile, yeah... I suppose you're right. I am a hell of a lot more interesting than you are on my most average of days.

You've posted the word Trump no less than 100,000 times in 12 years. Who knows? Maybe it's even close to a million times by now.

You have a one track, undistinguished, indescribably boring mind. Nothing you've ever said has been interesting. Nothing you've ever thought was profound.

You are a very simple creature. Almost amoeba-like when standing side to side next to somebody like me.

That's got to suck, huh?

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 8:59 AM

SIGNYM

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Find something meaningful to do (meaningful to others, not just you) besides venting your entitled-ness online.

SIX: Don't get it twisted. I'm under no illusion that I'm entitled to anything. I've got 45 years of everything being taken away from me that wasn't nailed down.

And yet you're still pissed that you couldn't continue with cushy jobs based on your smile and being just a bit smarter than the people you worked for, bc some guy in India was willing to do for less.

I guess the difference between you and me is that I NEVER thought life would be easy. I grew up hearing stories about how my dad went from being so smart he went from a peasant farm to being a PhD in physics to being a prisoner in a Siberian labor camp ... and being lucky to have made it that far. For him, it was 10 years of literally life and death struggle.

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I loved my last job, and I would have been happy working the rest of my life there part-time for $11.72 per hour, while being in the shape of my life... but can't even have that.

No. They took away the night shift, and you didn't like that, so you quit. Oh boo hoo.

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SIGNY Get out of the house and take a walk around the block. Visit your brother... not the rich one, the other one. See how your aunt is doing. Help one of your buddies. Say "hi" to a neighbor.

SIX Not bad advice. Duly noted. I'll take it under consideration.

I hope you do.
You're seriously in a rut. I know you've been working on a project and tangling with SECOND in between, but you need a change of scenery now.

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SIGNY: Your life could be so much worse, and for someone who claims to be living just the way he wants, you sure are awfully angry.

SIX: I never said I live the way I want to live. I live the way I choose to live, given the circumstances. I don't play by their rules because fuck their rules.

I know it could be way worse. It would be if I were a stupid white male.

But that's where the blessing part of being quite a bit above-average intelligence ends and the curse part comes in.

I'm simply too smart to be happy.

How many truly smart people do you know in your life that are truly happy? Any of them that you can name are probably just really good at keeping that mask from slipping, much like I am in real life. I don't share any of these opinions with any real people in my real life. Honestly, most of them are probably too stupid to even have conversations like this with, and those rare few that are smart enough don't have any time for my bullshit because they've got enough of their own to deal with everyday.

In our modern society, most smart men end up dying by their own hands.

Really? Ive known two really smart nen whose lives were fsr harder than yours and they didn'tgo off in a snit.

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I have no doubt that is in my future at some point. We're still quite a ways from that and I have things I still need doing before that happens, but once my health is failing me in any significant way and I can no longer take care of myself, or I'm dealing with some issues that just make everything day-to-day a miserable, painful slog, let's just say that I won't be putting anybody else out because of it. And I sure as hell won't ever be caught living in an assisted living home.

I'll just make my way to whatever the next plane of existence is at that point, and I'll do it in as dignified a way as possible when it happens. On my own terms, just how I lived my life, and not caught pants down with my pud in my hands like half these jokers end up being found.

The curse of looking ahead. SIX, it sounds like you don't have anything worth living for besides yourself. But what about your brother? Is he really set for life? Given the vagaries of the USA in its declining years, I wouldn't count on it.

As for me, I have responsibilities to my husband and daughter, and as long as I'm a net plus I'll just keep plugging along as best I can. At my age and with my health I've got no illusions that I'll be skydiving at 85.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 9:11 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I loved my last job, and I would have been happy working the rest of my life there part-time for $11.72 per hour, while being in the shape of my life... but can't even have that.
No. They took away the night shift, and you didn't like that, so you quit. Oh boo hoo.

If you remember that bit, but you're going to take that little bit of the story out of context without the terms I was given if I stayed and frame my life as if you were Rachel Maddow making her story of the night about Trump, you can go fuck right off.

How's that, Sigs?

This conversation is done. Go talk about ChatGPT if you have anything left to add, because you've got nothing worth talking about either.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 2:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

All I remember, SIX, is that you liked working at night bc you could work by yourself the way you wanted. That you did most of the work but didn't mind bc you were getting a workout. Also, the manager was reasonable. But since the whole shift was being eliminated so was the manager.

I don't recall what the daytime situation was. The new position was at another store? The daytime manager was an asshole? The hours were too short? Aside from you not being able to work by yourself the way you wanted, nothing stood out from your posts as to why you decided to essentially quit, but were able to claim unemployment for some reason. If I missed the explanation, tell me.

Also, I noticed you didn't respond to my other points, one of which is: LIFE is capricious and unreasonable. Aside from nature dealing us disease and disaster, TPTB have learned to extract our work for their benefit, impoverishing us along the way. The only way to REALLY quit the system IMHO is to kill yourself, or to live 100% by yourself. As long as you're plugged in in some way - healthcare, savings, house, job, whatever - there is still something that can be taken away.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 2:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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All I remember, SIX, is that you liked working at night bc you could work by yourself the way you wanted. That you did most of the work but didn't mind bc you were getting a qworkout. Also, the manager was reasonable. But since the whole shift was being eliminated so was the manager.

I don't recall what the daytime situation was. The new position was at another store? The daytime manager was an asshole? The hours were too short? Aside from you not being able to work by yourself the way you wanted, nothing stood out from your posts as to why you decided to essentially quit, but were able to claim unemployment for some reason. If I missed the explanation, tell me.

I wrote two pages about it. You picked out 1 sentence.

I'm not going go re-write it, but I went from a guaranteed weekly schedule of 8 to 12 hour nights (depending on how long I wanted to stay after my 8 hour shift on any given night), to completely randomized blocks of work, any time of day, any day of the week, and only 3 hour shifts per day guaranteed, all spit out by a computer with zero human interaction involved.

This makes it "fair" for everyone, and no manager has any input that somebody could consider favoritism.

No. I'm not going to drive 40 hours round trip for a 3 hour shift on Saturday night, then turn back around 6 hours later to go back for another 3 hour shift on Sunday morning.

That's wage slavery. I refuse wage slavery.

And that's only one of the problems with the switch, but in my mind it was the biggest one. Bigger than them taking away my extra $1/hr I was making for working overnights for sure.

It's also why I was able to claim unemployment and I laughed at them and wished them luck when they threatened me with it. They did not carry out that threat because they knew better.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 3:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh, I added to my post.

Got it. That whole issue of random, non-guaranteed scheduling really pisses me off. I understand now why you quit.

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So, aprops of chatgpi, I still think it's a case of GIGO. ChatGPI will still be bounded by language i.e. "what people talk about". I don't know how else to explain it, but that blazing insight like E=mc^2 or that we evolved thru a period of being semi-aquatic... those kinds of discoveries are beyond the bounds of "what people talk about" , which IMHO also includes a lot of nonsense about angels and tyranny and whatnot.

And there are things ChatGPI and other AIs will NEVER automate, like small engine repair and plumbing and cattle ranching.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2025 4:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Oh, I added to my post.

Got it. That whole issue of random, non-guaranteed scheduling really pisses me off. I understand now why you quit.

No harm. Sorry for overreacting, which I'm sure that I did.

I just don't abide false arguments, particularly about my life, especially when I'm a pretty open book about it all here. I get enough of that from Second here, although I know it's intentional when he does it.

The schedule was the only thing they had to offer me, since they give everyone the same raise every year no matter who works harder and who shows up every day vs. those that don't do anything all night and call off all the time.

Take that away from me and you can sit on your job.

That's my one luxury in life. I don't have to stay anywhere and eat a shit sandwich everyday.

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So, aprops of chatgpi, I still think it's a case of GIGO. ChatGPI will still be bounded by language i.e. "what people talk about". I don't know how else to explain it, but that blazing insight like E=mc^2 or that we evolved thru a period of being semi-aquatic... those kinds of discoveries are beyond the bounds of "what people talk about" , which IMHO also includes a lot of nonsense about angels and tyranny and whatnot.

I think a recent story I heard about them using AI in a new Star Wars online game with James Earl Jones' voice as Darth Vader explains what you're talking about pretty well...

Pretty sure that James Earl Jones and his family would not approve Disney doing this.

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And there are things ChatGPI and other AIs will NEVER automate, like small engine repair and plumbing and cattle ranching.

Time to make those jobs pay something you can raise a family on again and get America back to working after getting everyone who doesn't belong here to go back home.

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