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Wednesday, January 20, 2021 12:00 PM

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Appears Russia is all about free speech...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/19/technology/parler-russian-company.h
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By Jack Nicas
Jan. 19, 2021
Parler, the social network popular with Trump supporters, is trickling back to life.

The social network went offline last week after Amazon booted it from its computer servers for not consistently removing violent posts, an accusation that Parler denied. But after a week in which Parler executives sued Amazon and predicted that their site might never return, they are forecasting it will be back up and running by the month’s end.

That turnabout is thanks, in part, to a Russian company.

Parler has entered into business with DDoS-Guard, a Russian firm that routes internet traffic and protects websites from cyberattacks. With its help, visitors to Parler.com now find a basic webpage with a promise from Parler’s chief executive, John Matze, that “our return is inevitable.”

But the use of a Russian company is worrying some researchers who study the internet and Russia. If Parler routes its web traffic through DDoS-Guard when its full website returns, the experts said, Russian law could enable the Russian government to surveil Parler’s users.

Alina Polyakova, head of the Center for European Policy Analysis, a foreign policy think tank in Washington, said Russia required many internet companies in the country to install technology that feeds the government a copy of much of the data that passes through their computer servers.

The surveillance system, known as the System for Operative Investigative Activities, “basically allows the Russian government to intercept any data on Russian territory and provide that data to the F.S.B.,” Russia’s domestic intelligence agency, said Ms. Polyakova, who has studied Russia’s control over the internet. She added that it was unclear if DDoS-Guard would be subject to such surveillance.

The Russian Embassy in Washington and DDoS-Guard did not respond to requests for comment. In an email to CNN, DDoS-Guard said it “does not provide any customer information or any other data to the government authorities, excluding cases explicitly stated in the law.”

Jeffrey Wernick, Parler’s chief operating officer, said in an interview that the concerns were overblown because DDoS-Guard supported only a temporary webpage for Parler. He said Parler would try to find other companies to operate its full social network.

“Our preference is to have an American firm,” he said. “People should not make conclusions that it’ll be this company. People extrapolate too much and with limited information. They conclude what they want to conclude. I call that spreading misinformation.”

But finding willing partners has been a challenge for Parler since the Capitol riot on Jan. 6.

After supporters of President Trump stormed the Capitol, Twitter and Facebook barred Mr. Trump from their services. That sent a flood of new people to Parler, pushing it past 15 million users. Then Apple and Google removed Parler’s app from their app stores and Amazon stopped hosting Parler’s website on its servers because, they said, Parler was not consistently removing violent posts. In addition to denying those claims, Parler accused the companies of collusion.

Since then, other companies have rebuffed Parler. Mr. Matze said in a court filing on Monday that “at least six extremely large potential providers” refused to take Parler’s business because they feared cyberattacks or believed Parler hosted incitements to violence.

“Parler is an internet company that cannot get on the internet,” Parler’s lawyer, David Groesbeck, said in a separate filing on Monday. “And the longer Parler lies dead, the harder it will be to resuscitate.”

Yet in statements to the press, Parler executives are predicting a full return by the end of January. Mr. Wernick declined to say how Parler would do that, but he attributed the confidence to a “herculean effort” by his team.

“We’re not sleeping,” he said. “We’re working day and night, and every day. There is no weekend for us.”

For Parler, the ideal solution would be returning to Amazon’s servers. The network has accused Amazon of violating antitrust law and asked a federal judge to force it to host Parler. After a hearing last week, the companies are now awaiting a ruling.

Many online observers and journalists have speculated that Parler will eventually be hosted by Epik, a company that has supported other websites that tech companies have rejected, including Gab, another social network popular in right-wing circles.

But Robert Davis, Epik’s senior vice president, said in an interview that Epik had only helped register Parler’s domain name, a basic function of the internet. While Epik would like to help, he said, Parler’s needs are too large.

“I would expect Parler to be an amazing force for good in the future,” he said. “I could see them easily hitting 100 million members or more in 2021 alone.”

Mr. Davis said he believed that Parler was trying to build its own infrastructure. On Monday, Mr. Matze appeared to support that notion in an interview on Fox News, saying, “We really need to build our own infrastructure and our own technology.”

In a legal filing on the same day, Mr. Matze said Parler did not have “the technical and security expertise to host the Parler environment on its own,” adding, “Nor is it feasible for Parler to do so.”

He said the computers and other equipment needed to host Parler’s site would cost more than $6 million and take weeks to arrive. “Simply put, it would not be possible for Parler itself to acquire the necessary servers and related security infrastructure in a commercially reasonable time frame,” he said.

Dave Temkin, an engineer who helped lead Netflix’s internet-infrastructure team until last week, said he was skeptical that Parler would return soon, given the difficulty of creating its own infrastructure and the reluctance of other companies to help.

He said that even if Parler built its own data center in the United States, it would need to persuade an internet provider like Verizon or AT&T to lay the fiber-optic cables to connect it to the wider internet.

“It’s like if you have a car with no roads,” he said.


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Wednesday, January 20, 2021 12:33 PM

SIGNYM

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Well, maybe Amazon shouldn't have kicked Parler off its servers in the first place, because AWS is clearly NOT about free speech.

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Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:15 PM

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Wednesday, January 20, 2021 7:11 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Russian Company?

Does that mean Joe Biden and Hunter Biden are getting a cut? Their coruption knows no bounds.

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Wednesday, January 20, 2021 11:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, maybe Amazon shouldn't have kicked Parler off its servers in the first place, because AWS is clearly NOT about free speech.





It ISN'T free speech to yell fire in a theater, and it's STILL NOT free speech to organize attacks on government.

You know you got stupid when the government has to muzzle you for your own good

Would make a good bumper sticker.... MUZZLE THE MAGAS




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Thursday, January 21, 2021 3:38 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, maybe Amazon shouldn't have kicked Parler off its servers in the first place, because AWS is clearly NOT about free speech.





It ISN'T free speech to yell fire in a theater, and it's STILL NOT free speech to organize attacks on government.

You know you got stupid when the government has to muzzle you for your own good

Would make a good bumper sticker.... MUZZLE THE MAGAS






AFAIK there were no "attacks on government" organized on Parler, because there were no "attacks on government" carried out in DC... altho there WERE plenty carried out elsewhwere, like Portland, Seattle, etc. THOSE were organized on FB and Twitter, so maybe FB and Twitter should be demolished?

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 3:41 AM

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Quote:

"We Want Revenge": Antifa Anarchists Activate After Biden Inaugurated
A group of violent demonstrators gathered in Southeast Portland on Wednesday afternoon, hours after President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris were sworn in at the US Capitol. The leftist anti-government group appeared displeased with the new administration as they attacked the building of the Democratic Party of Oregon.

Local news KGW reports the group of at least 100 people, dressed in all black, marched through Portland.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/we-want-revenge-antifa-anarchists-
activate-after-biden-inaugurated

multiple buidling were vandalized and broken into, American flags were being burned.

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 7:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I wonder if somebody has made a "It's not free speech to yell FIRE in a theater" compilation video yet. The legacy media must be parroting that line dozens of times a day judging on how many times I've seen it posted in here recently.

Is dumb terminal too dated a phrase to explain them?

How about walking, talking Wi-Fi hot-spots.




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Thursday, January 21, 2021 9:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wonder if somebody has made a "It's not free speech to yell FIRE in a theater" compilation video yet. The legacy media must be parroting that line dozens of times a day judging on how many times I've seen it posted in here recently.



I think they do that because even though it's true and always will be, Dumptards are either too stupid to understand it or like to act like they don't so they have something to rail against. "Muh Free Speech!" Or they have an anti-American agenda. Take your pick.


I remember back in the early days of RWED, when SIG was almost cool and almost a liberal, seeing her post that. In fact, I think her posting it was the first time I'd seen it. Funny how times change!

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 9:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
AFAIK there were no "attacks on government" organized on Parler, because there were no "attacks on government" carried out in DC...



Lying or stupid or both? "Hang Mike Pence!" "Where's Pelosi!" Capital building invaded - thank god there were no attacks on the government.

More importantly, what you "But Muh Free Speech!" whiners still don't get (or like to ignore), is businesses don't want to take even the remotest chance they will be caught up in any lawsuits or legal attacks resulting from - gee I dunno - people breaking into the Capital of the United States that resulted in 5 people dead. I truly believe they feel like they dodged a lawsuit bullet. Why else will no one the US fund Parler on a US network? There's tons of money to be made from Dumptards, so it would be profitable - Dump proved that when he fleeced them out of millions. Maybe Zuckerberg doesn't want to go to jail, maybe? There's liability for days and just as many lawyers who would love to hang them for it.

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 12:21 PM

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You just bury your head in the sand and continue to cheerlead the silencing of voices you don't agree with and using actions of a few seriously deranged people to justify silencing half of America and see where that gets you.

Sure... you'll all be able to pretend for a while that everything is great and everybody is living with the same thoughts in their head and humming show tunes all day long.

But...




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Thursday, January 21, 2021 12:24 PM

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 3:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You just bury your head in the sand and continue to cheerlead the silencing of voices you don't agree with and using actions of a few seriously deranged people to justify silencing half of America and see where that gets you.

Sure... you'll all be able to pretend for a while that everything is great and everybody is living with the same thoughts in their head and humming show tunes all day long.

But...




Whatever - it's always too much to ask you to think things through (whichever 6ix you happen to be).
You just described yourself, btw - you keep burying your head.

WHY aren't any US Trump supporters with money, stepping up to put Parler online? Would it be okay if Al Qaeda or ISIS used FB / Twitter to plan an attack on our capital? Would you say we should protect their "Free Speech?" If that were to happen, or would you say FB / Twitter should have closed their accounts? These aren't tough questions but I think I can already hear you running.

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 3:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:




Funny stuff. What does it have to do with real life? BTW - it's from a movie that happened before the Internet *did*, so waaaaay out of touch.

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 3:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



People keep CLAIMING that Parler was used to "organize" an "attack".

Where are the quotes? The ones that say "I'll bring my dozen 38's if you bring the 10,000 ammo rounds.". Or "You take over the Senate podium and I'll hold them hostage at the door.".

I'll wait for you to find them.

Till then, this all goes in the bin with Trump barricading himself in the Oval Office and other hysterical-granny nonsense - that you all believe.


But keep scaring yourselves with ghost stories, grannies. It's very popular these days.


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Thursday, January 21, 2021 8:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

People keep CLAIMING that Parler was used to "organize" an "attack".

Where are the quotes? The ones that say "I'll bring my dozen 38's if you bring the 10,000 ammo rounds.". Or "You take over the Senate podium and I'll hold them hostage at the door.".

I'll wait for you to find them.

Till then, this all goes in the bin with Trump barricading himself in the Oval Office and other hysterical-granny nonsense - that you all believe.
The

But keep scaring yourselves with ghost stories, grannies. It's very popular these days.




I’d try to get them for you Khaki, but Parler can’t seem to get back online. Huh! Damndest thing! No one wants to provide them with service!

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 8:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Huh! Damndest thing! No one wants to provide them with service!



Huh! Damndest thing! NO ONE MAKING ACCUSATIONS EVER THOUGHT TO COPY THOSE ALL-IMPORTANT QUOTES! that SHOULD be all over the internet ready for a simple google search from your 'smartphone'!

You know, that thing that makes you 'smart''.

/snicker

Meanwhile, since you can't google, and you can't provide quotes, you're just spreading granny-scare stories. As usual.


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Thursday, January 21, 2021 9:28 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

Huh! Damndest thing! No one wants to provide them with service!



Huh! Damndest thing! NO ONE MAKING ACCUSATIONS EVER THOUGHT TO COPY THOSE ALL-IMPORTANT QUOTES! that SHOULD be all over the internet ready for a simple google search from your 'smartphone'!

You know, that thing that makes you 'smart''.

/snicker

Meanwhile, since you can't google, and you can't provide quotes, you're just spreading granny-scare stories. As usual.




Really? Are you sure? Did YOU try the Google, granny, before making your claim? Are you sure you aren’t setting yourself up to be embarrassed again? I’ll give you some time to try and save face.

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 9:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
People keep CLAIMING that Parler was used to "organize" an "attack".



Find those quotes!! Good dog! Fetch!

And no -
Quote:

"Hang Mike Pence!" "Where's Pelosi!"
- don't count.

I want to see actual quotes of organizing for a violent attack. Plans to work as a violent tactical group. Plans to bring and distribute arms and ammo. Plans to imprison and execute federal officials. Plans to have an actual - you know - insurrection. Names and dates and assignments. Actual ongoing 2-way communications going on to "organize" an "attack".


FETCH!!


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Thursday, January 21, 2021 10:09 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

Huh! Damndest thing! No one wants to provide them with service!



Huh! Damndest thing! NO ONE MAKING ACCUSATIONS EVER THOUGHT TO COPY THOSE ALL-IMPORTANT QUOTES! that SHOULD be all over the internet ready for a simple google search from your 'smartphone'!

You know, that thing that makes you 'smart''.

/snicker

Meanwhile, since you can't google, and you can't provide quotes, you're just spreading granny-scare stories. As usual.




Really? Are you sure? Did YOU try the Google, granny, before making your claim? Are you sure you aren’t setting yourself up to be embarrassed again? I’ll give you some time to try and save face.

It's your claim, GSTRING. Back it up.

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 10:21 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
People keep CLAIMING that Parler was used to "organize" an "attack".



Find those quotes!! Good dog! Fetch!

And no -
Quote:

"Hang Mike Pence!" "Where's Pelosi!"
- don't count.

I want to see actual quotes of organizing for a violent attack. Plans to work as a violent tactical group. Plans to bring and distribute arms and ammo. Plans to imprison and execute federal officials. Plans to have an actual - you know - insurrection. Names and dates and assignments. Actual ongoing 2-way communications going on to "organize" an "attack".

FETCH!!




Little kiki thinks it’s her birthday. Do you want a pony, too?

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/13/22228675/amazon-parler-takedown-vio
lent-threats-moderation-content-free-speech


These are the violent threats that made Amazon drop Parler

A new filing reveals Amazon’s concerns, raised weeks before the Capitol raid
By Russell Brandom Jan 13, 2021, 10:17am EST

Amazon’s decision to suspend Parler’s service has provoked ongoing debate about AWS’s power as a hosting provider and whether such suspensions pose a threat to free speech. But while many had seen the suspension as a knee-jerk response to the mob attack on the US Capitol, Amazon’s response makes clear that the service had lodged complaints with Parler long before the raid.

“AWS reported to Parler, over many weeks, dozens of examples of content that encouraged violence,” the company argues in the filing, “including calls to hang public officials, kill Black and Jewish people, and shoot police officers in the head,”

To drive home this point, the complaint includes 15 examples of such posts, which include graphic calls to violence against tech CEOs, school teachers, and professional athletes. In some cases, the comments also refer to specific dates and targets for violence, encouraging users to form militia groups and “acquire targets.”

Amazon says it submitted more than 100 such comments to Parler in the weeks leading up to the suspension.

Content warning: these threats are graphic, violent, and racist; use discretion.






The filing gives more background to Amazon’s previous claims that the suspension was in response to escalating calls for violence on Parler.

“It is clear that there is significant content on Parler that encourages and incites violence against others, and that Parler is unable or unwilling to promptly identify and remove this content, which is a violation of our terms of service,” the company said in a statement on January 9th. “We made our concerns known to Parler over a number of weeks and during that time we saw a significant increase in this type of dangerous content, not a decrease, which led to our suspension of their services Sunday evening.”

In the filing, Amazon emphasized that it had suspended service rather than terminating it entirely and was open to restoring service to Parler if the company began moderating content in compliance with AWS’s terms of service.

Apple CEO Tim Cook made a similar point on Wednesday in an appearance on CBS, explaining that Apple had removed Parler from the iOS App Store because of its failure to moderate its content according to Apple’s terms. “All we’re asking is he meet the Terms of Service,” said Cook. “Our hope is that they do that and get back on the store.”

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 10:30 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It’s your claim, GSTRING. Back it up.




Hey! The other sht for brains! It’s actually khaki’s claim, made and then changed and added to when she got scared. I wondered why no one wanted to give Parler service. Keep lying.

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 10:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




How is any of this different from "kill 'da bums, 'den trow 'da bums out!"?

"After the firing squads ..." Really? Who exactly is on those firing squads. Where will they meet? How will they get their victims? Who brings the guns? Who brings the ammo? Who is their leader? Is there a PLAN anywhere in any of this?

"We need to ..." Who is this 'we' kemosabe? Anybody reply with a PLAN?

And so on.

A lot of hot air - NO INSURRECTION PLANS.

And you just farted a whole bunch of hot air here. And BOY are you gullible! No wonder you post so much smelly stuff.

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Friday, January 22, 2021 3:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:


Funny stuff. What does it have to do with real life? BTW - it's from a movie that happened before the Internet *did*, so waaaaay out of touch.




I'm really starting to fully understand that he actually IS *not kidding* missing huge swaths of brain cells.

HE's the one always calling me fat, and making fun of eating anything he deems not appropriate and yet HE IS

"a 47-year-old virgin sittin' around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake singing "I'm an Oscar-Meyer Wiener".

When's the last time you had ribs, 6ix??
When's the last time you had sex, 6ix?

Sing any jingles lately?







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Friday, January 22, 2021 3:56 AM

SIGNYM

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Just like GSTRING doesn't know allegation from evidence, he doesn't know "hot air" from "plan".

As I posted earlier, if this had been a REAL insurrection, people would have been in fire groups and squads, they would have had communications and ammo and a command structure and a plan.

Instead, they had this



A relatively small group of 50-100 disorganized people who broke into the Capitol building (as opposed to the ones the police let in), motly extremely gullible Qanon followers with a few BLM/Antifa provocateurs thrown in.

What THEY were saying was no different than what Antifa/BLM was saying and no different than what Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer et al were saying.

The difference is that Antifa/BLM caused millions of dollars of damage, and the DNChas the power to make their threats come true.

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Friday, January 22, 2021 3:58 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:


Who is this 'we' kemosabe?


A lot of hot air - NO INSURRECTION PLANS.

And you just farted a whole bunch of hot air here.



"WE" is the party of asshats you are SO VERY DESPERATELY trying to spin that they did nothing worthy of being tossed out on their bloody hands, when I am absolutely sure if dems had said ANYTHING like that you would be calling for heads to roll and not saying "....aww shucky darn, they were just good old Nazis doin' what good old Nazis do best..."


You don't like it when I say kill Fascists, but you sure seem to like it when Fascists get violent.

Just has to be the right color of people for you to hate, huh??

Mainly people wearing BLUE, huh??

FREAK






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Friday, January 22, 2021 4:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:


Who is this 'we' kemosabe?


A lot of hot air - NO INSURRECTION PLANS.

And you just farted a whole bunch of hot air here.



"WE" is the party of asshats you are SO VERY DESPERATELY trying to spin that they did nothing worthy of being tossed out on their bloody hands, when I am absolutely sure if dems had said ANYTHING like that you would be calling for heads to roll and not saying "....aww shucky darn, they were just good old Nazis doin' what good old Nazis do best..."


You don't like it when I say kill Fascists, but you sure seem to like it when Fascists get violent.

Just has to be the right color of people for you to hate, huh??

Mainly people wearing BLUE, huh??

FREAK






Jeezus, you're stupid. You're doing EXACTLY what [you think] the "wrong color" is doing.

Nobody ... well, except you, REAVERBOT, CC, AND SECONDRATE... is condoning violence. OTOH, you're exaggerating the hell out of what actually happened, while minimiing/ignoring "your side's" guilt.

Nobody cares what you post bc you're stupid.

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Friday, January 22, 2021 10:18 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As I posted earlier, if this had been a REAL insurrection, people would have been in fire groups and squads, they would have had communications and ammo and a command structure and a plan.



you owe me a keyboard! The stupid you get up to! You just can't help yourself. You even have to try to tell these MAGAtards how they should have done things! I can't laugh hard enough... thx. Great way to start the weekend.

Some more fun Parler news - maybe this will help you understand who these dangerous clowns are... naw, you don't care about the truth!

https://www.wired.com/story/faces-of-the-riot-capitol-insurrection-fac
ial-recognition


This Site Published Every Face From Parler's Capitol Riot Videos
Faces of the Riot used open source software to detect, extract, and deduplicate every face from the 827 videos taken from the insurrection on January 6.



WHEN HACKERS EXPLOITED a bug in Parler to download all of the right-wing social media platform's contents last week, they were surprised to find that many of the pictures and videos contained geolocation metadata revealing exactly how many of the site's users had taken part in the invasion of the US Capitol building just days before. But the videos uploaded to Parler also contain an equally sensitive bounty of data sitting in plain sight: thousands of images of unmasked faces, many of whom participated in the Capitol riot. Now one website has done the work of cataloging and publishing every one of those faces in a single, easy-to-browse lineup.

Late last week, a website called Faces of the Riot appeared online, showing nothing but a vast grid of more than 6,000 images of faces, each one tagged only with a string of characters associated with the Parler video in which it appeared. The site's creator tells WIRED that he used simple open source machine learning and facial recognition software to detect, extract, and deduplicate every face from the 827 videos that were posted to Parler from inside and outside the Capitol building on January 6, the day when radicalized Trump supporters stormed the building in a riot that resulted in five people's deaths. The creator of Faces of the Riot says his goal is to allow anyone to easily sort through the faces pulled from those videos to identify someone they may know or recognize who took part in the mob, or even to reference the collected faces against FBI wanted posters and send a tip to law enforcement if they spot someone.

"Everybody who is participating in this violence, what really amounts to an insurrection, should be held accountable," says the site's creator, who asked for anonymity to avoid retaliation. "It's entirely possible that a lot of people who were on this website now will face real-life consequences for their actions."

Aside from the clear privacy concerns it raises, Faces of the Riot's indiscriminate posting of faces doesn't distinguish between lawbreakers—who trampled barriers, broke into the Capitol building, and trespassed in legislative chambers—and people who merely attended the protests outside. An upgrade to the site today adds hyperlinks from faces to the video source, so that visitors can click on any face and see what the person was filmed doing on Parler. The Faces of the Riot creator, who says he's a college student in the "greater DC area," intends that added feature to help contextualize every face's inclusion on the site and differentiate between bystanders, peaceful protesters, and violent insurrectionists.

He concedes that he and a cocreator are still working to scrub "non-rioter" faces, including those of police and press who were present. A message at the top of the site also warns against vigilante investigations, instead suggesting users report those they recognize to the FBI, with a link to an FBI tip page. "If you go on the website and you see someone you know, you might learn something about a relative," he says. "Or you might be like, oh, I know this person, and then further that information to the authorities."

“Everybody who is participating in this violence, what really amounts to an insurrection, should be held accountable.”

FACES OF THE RIOT CREATOR
Despite its disclaimers and limitations, Faces of the Riot represents the serious privacy dangers of pervasive facial recognition technology, says Evan Greer, the campaign director for digital civil liberties nonprofit Fight for the Future. "Whether it's used by an individual or by the government, this technology has profound implications for human rights and freedom of expression," says Greer, whose organization has fought for a legislative ban on facial recognition technologies. "I think it would be an enormous mistake if we come out of this moment by glorifying or lionizing a technology that, broadly speaking, disproportionately harms communities of color, low-income communities, immigrant communities, Muslim communities, activists ... the very same people that the faces on this website stormed the Capitol for the purpose of silencing and disenfranchising."

The site's developer counters that Faces of the Riot leans not on facial recognition but facial detection. While he did use the open source machine learning tool Tensor Flow and the facial recognition software Dlib to analyze the Parler videos, he says he used that software only to detect and "cluster" faces from the 11 hours of video of the Capitol riot; Dlib allowed him to deduplicate the 200,000 images of faces extracted from video frames to around 6,000 unique faces. (He concedes that there are nonetheless some duplicates and images of faces on protest signs included too. Even the number "45" on some signs was in some cases identified as a human face.)

He emphasizes also that there's no search tool on the site, and it doesn't attempt to link faces with names or other identifying details. Nor is there any feature for uploading an image and matching it with images in the site's collection, which he says could lead to dangerous misidentifications. "There's a very hard no on allowing a user to take a photo from a wanted poster and search for it," the site's creator says. "That’s never going to happen."

The roughly 42 gigabytes of Parler videos that Faces of the Riot analyzed were downloaded prior to Amazon's decision early last week to cut off Parler's web hosting, leaving the site largely offline since. Racing against that takedown, hacktivists took advantage of a security flaw in Parler that allowed them to download and archive every post from the service, which bills itself as an uncensored "free speech" alternative to Twitter or Facebook. Faces of the Riot obtained Parler's salvaged videos after they were made available online by Kyle McDonald, a media artist who obtained them from a third party he declined to identify.

The Faces of the Riot site's creator initially saw the data as a chance to experiment with machine learning tools, but quickly saw the potential for a more public project. "After about 10 minutes I thought, this is actually a workable idea and I can do something that will help people," he says. Faces of the Riot is the first website he's ever created.

McDonald has previously both criticized the power of facial recognition technology and himself implemented facial recognition projects like ICEspy, a tool he launched in 2018 for identifying agents of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. He tells WIRED he also analyzed the leaked Parler videos with facial recognition tools to see if he could identify individuals, but could only ID two, both of whom had already been named by media. He sees Faces of the Riot as "playing it really safe" compared even to his own facial recognition experiments, given that it doesn't seek to link faces with named identities. "And I think it's a good call because I don't think that we need to legitimize this technology any more than it already is and has been falsely legitimized," McDonald says.

But McDonald also points out that Faces of the Riot demonstrates just how accessible facial recognition technologies have become. "It shows how this tool that has been restricted only to people who have the most education, the most power, the most privilege is now in this more democratized state," McDonald says.

The Faces of the Riot site's creator sees it as more than an art project or demonstration. Despite the safeguards he put in place to limit its ability to automatically identify people, he still hopes that the effort will have real, tangible results—if only indirectly through reports to law enforcement. "It's just felt like people got away with a lot of bad stuff for the last four years," he says. "This is an opportunity to start trying to put that to an end."

Now, if you want to have a conversation about modern surveillance... go somewhere else. You fcks can't be trusted to have an honest anything.

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Friday, January 22, 2021 10:27 AM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Nobody cares what you post bc you're stupid.





If you DIDN'T care why did you bother to respond??




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Friday, January 22, 2021 1:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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SIGNYM:
As I posted earlier, if this had been a REAL insurrection, people would have been in fire groups and squads, they would have had communications and ammo and a command structure and a plan.


GSTRAING you owe me a keyboard! The stupid you get up to! You just can't help yourself. You even have to try to tell these MAGAtards how they should have done things! I can't laugh hard enough... thx. Great way to start the weekend.

Hey, I didn't call Portland and Seattle an "insurrection" even those the "occpuied zones" would have qualified it as one. I call it a "riot".

YOU don't get to call any event whatever you want, either. I'm just explaining the definition and hallmarks of an "insurrection" so that you don't keep misusing terms(yanno, like "troll" and "fascist", which you CLEARLY don't understand either)


AFA facial recognition .... well, sounds pretty much like FB and Instagram and Twitter... people stupidly posting pictures and videos of people doing stupid stuff.

BTW, there is nothing illegal about people being OUTSIDE of the Capitol building. Sounds like you want to criminalize people exercising their free speech rights. Because you hate Americans?

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Friday, January 22, 2021 2:25 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:




Funny stuff. What does it have to do with real life? BTW - it's from a movie that happened before the Internet *did*, so waaaaay out of touch.



So was 1984.

But the difference is, in 1993, this movie was slamming the Religious Right for their constant attempts at censorship while the Left seemed to be the party that fought tooth and nail against it.

Who'd have guessed that nearly 20 years later the Left would be cheering when it happened?

And if you're suggesting that the internet hasn't made it easier than ever for a possible future full of 47 year old virgins singing I'm an Oscar Mayer Wiener in their mom's basement, you should probably take another look at the internet.

(Queue Nilbog's predictable and ever so obligatory incel response).


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Friday, January 22, 2021 5:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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I am absolutely sure if dems had said ANYTHING like that
You mean like ... saying you want to genocide virtually the entire human race ... for their own good? You mean - like that?

Your mind is a bunch of snakes writhing around each other.


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Friday, January 22, 2021 5:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



So hey there MUSHY - do you have nothing to say to your batshit-crazy compatriot who wants to kill virtually the entire human race for their own good? No minor murmur of dissent? No name-calling? Nothing?


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Friday, January 22, 2021 6:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

https://www.wired.com/story/faces-of-the-riot-capitol-insurrection-fac
ial-recognition


This Site Published Every Face From Parler's Capitol Riot Videos
Faces of the Riot used open source software to detect, extract, and deduplicate every face from the 827 videos taken from the insurrection on January 6.


Quote:



WHEN HACKERS EXPLOITED a bug in Parler to download all of the right-wing social media platform's contents last week, they were surprised to find that many of the pictures and videos contained geolocation metadata revealing exactly how many of the site's users had taken part in the invasion of the US Capitol building just days before.

Riot? Insurrection? Invasion? So many words to chose from they had to use them all!
Quote:

But the videos uploaded to Parler also contain an equally sensitive bounty of data sitting in plain sight: thousands of images of unmasked faces, many of whom participated in the Capitol riot. Now one website has done the work of cataloging and publishing every one of those faces in a single, easy-to-browse lineup.

Late last week, a website called Faces of the Riot appeared online, showing nothing but a vast grid of more than 6,000 images of faces, each one tagged only with a string of characters associated with the Parler video in which it appeared. The site's creator tells WIRED that he used simple open source machine learning and facial recognition software to detect, extract, and deduplicate every face from the 827 videos that were posted to Parler from inside and outside the Capitol building on January 6, the day when radicalized Trump supporters stormed the building in a riot that resulted in five people's deaths.

So, given the very small numbers of people who entered the Capitol Building, the website is composed almost entirely of people who never entered the Capitol building, who were a peaceably assembled public on public grounds. That'll show them for exercising their free speech rights in a democracy*!
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The creator of Faces of the Riot says his goal is to allow anyone to easily sort through the faces pulled from those videos to identify someone they may know or recognize who took part in the mob, or even to reference the collected faces against FBI wanted posters and send a tip to law enforcement if they spot someone.
I remember the scare stories we were told about the old USSR - how you couldn't trust your friends, your neighbors, even your family, to not turn you in to the "authorities" because everyone was a potential snitch for the government. But now, it's a good thing because - we're doing it.
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"Everybody who is participating in this violence
... yes, let's include mostly people who are standing peaceably outside as participants in the violence ...
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what really amounts to an insurrection, should be held accountable," says the site's creator, who asked for anonymity to avoid retaliation.
I literally laughed out loud. He wants HIS anonymity!! WHAT A TWO-FACED COWARDLY HYPOCRITE!
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"It's entirely possible that a lot of people who were on this website now will face real-life consequences for their actions."
... yes, those people standing peacefully outside WILL probably face real-life consequences ... for standing peaceably outside ...
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Aside from the clear privacy concerns it raises
We HAVE NO PRIVACY RIGHTS written into our Constitution like they do in many European countries. All we have is a figment of protection against unreasonable search and seizure BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPECIFICALLY.* (*Mass data collection and surveillance and other private and public stoplight etc cameras not included.)
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Faces of the Riot's indiscriminate posting of faces doesn't distinguish between lawbreakers — who trampled barriers, broke into the Capitol building, and trespassed in legislative chambers — and people who merely attended the protests outside.
But that didn't stop the coward from creating and posting the website! à la Back in the USSR!
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An upgrade to the site today adds hyperlinks from faces to the video source, so that visitors can click on any face and see what the person was filmed doing on Parler. The Faces of the Riot creator, who says he's a college student in the "greater DC area," intends that added feature to help contextualize every face's inclusion on the site and differentiate between bystanders, peaceful protesters, and violent insurrectionists.
He concedes that he and a cocreator are still working to scrub "non-rioter" faces, including those of police and press who were present. A message at the top of the site also warns against vigilante investigations

You mean, like the website?
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instead suggesting users report those they recognize to the FBI, with a link to an FBI tip page. "If you go on the website and you see someone you know, you might learn something about a relative," he says. "Or you might be like, oh, I know this person, and then further that information to the authorities."
Yes, turn them in to "the authorities"! It's even better if you have a personal beef with them!
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“Everybody who is participating in this violence, what really amounts to an insurrection, should be held accountable.” ...
... even those just standing outside!
Quote:

FACES OF THE RIOT CREATOR
Despite its disclaimers and limitations, Faces of the Riot represents the serious privacy dangers of pervasive facial recognition technology, says Evan Greer, the campaign director for digital civil liberties nonprofit Fight for the Future. "Whether it's used by an individual or by the government, this technology has profound implications for human rights and freedom of expression," says Greer, whose organization has fought for a legislative ban on facial recognition technologies. "I think it would be an enormous mistake if we come out of this moment by glorifying or lionizing a technology that, broadly speaking, disproportionately harms communities of color, low-income communities, immigrant communities, Muslim communities, activists ... the very same people that the faces on this website stormed the Capitol for the purpose of silencing and disenfranchising."

Quote:


The site's developer counters that Faces of the Riot leans not on facial recognition but facial detection. While he did use the open source machine learning tool Tensor Flow and the facial recognition software Dlib to analyze the Parler videos, he says he used that software only to detect and "cluster" faces from the 11 hours of video of the Capitol riot; Dlib allowed him to deduplicate the 200,000 images of faces extracted from video frames to around 6,000 unique faces. (He concedes that there are nonetheless some duplicates and images of faces on protest signs included too. Even the number "45" on some signs was in some cases identified as a human face.)
He emphasizes also that there's no search tool on the site, and it doesn't attempt to link faces with names or other identifying details. Nor is there any feature for uploading an image and matching it with images in the site's collection, which he says could lead to dangerous misidentifications. "There's a very hard no on allowing a user to take a photo from a wanted poster and search for it," the site's creator says. "That’s never going to happen."

That's a very disingenuous claim. He may not make the tools available ON HIS WEBSITE but there's nothing preventing a person or "the authorities" from downloading images and using other software to do that exact thing.
Quote:

The roughly 42 gigabytes of Parler videos that Faces of the Riot analyzed were downloaded prior to Amazon's decision early last week to cut off Parler's web hosting, leaving the site largely offline since. Racing against that takedown, hacktivists took advantage of a security flaw in Parler that allowed them to download and archive every post from the service, which bills itself as an uncensored "free speech" alternative to Twitter or Facebook. Faces of the Riot obtained Parler's salvaged videos after they were made available online by Kyle McDonald, a media artist who obtained them from a third party he declined to identify.

The Faces of the Riot site's creator initially saw the data as a chance to experiment with machine learning tools, but quickly saw the potential for a more public project. "After about 10 minutes I thought, this is actually a workable idea and I can do something that will help people ..."

... by putting people under suspicion and public scrutiny for peacefully standing outside! ...
Quote:

he says. Faces of the Riot is the first website he's ever created.

McDonald has previously both criticized the power of facial recognition technology and himself implemented facial recognition projects like ICEspy, a tool he launched in 2018 for identifying agents of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. He tells WIRED he also analyzed the leaked Parler videos with facial recognition tools to see if he could identify individuals, but could only ID two, both of whom had already been named by media. He sees Faces of the Riot as "playing it really safe" compared even to his own facial recognition experiments, given that it doesn't seek to link faces with named identities.

No, it invites friends, families, neighbors ... but especially enemies ... to do that.
Quote:

"And I think it's a good call because I don't think that we need to legitimize this technology any more than it already is and has been falsely legitimized," McDonald says.

But McDonald also points out that Faces of the Riot demonstrates just how accessible facial recognition technologies have become. "It shows how this tool that has been restricted only to people who have the most education, the most power, the most privilege is now in this more democratized state," McDonald says.

The Faces of the Riot site's creator sees it as more than an art project or demonstration. Despite the safeguards he put in place to limit its ability to automatically identify people, he still hopes that the effort will have real, tangible results — if only indirectly through reports to law enforcement. "It's just felt like people got away with a lot of bad stuff for the last four years," he says. "This is an opportunity to start trying to put that to an end."

Let's hear it for private vigilantism!


And, I like how MUSHY put his own comment into the story/
Quote:

Now, if you want to have a conversation about modern surveillance... go somewhere else. You fcks can't be trusted to have an honest anything.



Speaking of lack of honesty ... MUSHY just demonstrated his usual lack of honesty.





The creator of the website OBVIOUSLY has a POV and he wanted to exercise it against the people who - mostly - were standing peacefully outside.

He MIGHT POSSIBLY has made a case for his website IF he had restricted himself to ONLY those videos taken inside the Capitol Building. But for all his self-congratulation for his own cleverness, he couldn't manage to think of that.


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Friday, January 22, 2021 6:33 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

And if you're suggesting that the internet hasn't made it easier than ever for a possible future full of 47 year old virgins singing I'm an Oscar Mayer Wiener in their mom's basement, you should probably take another look at the internet.

(Queue Nilbog's predictable and ever so obligatory incel response).






I'm pretty sure it wasn't created with the intent of helping your people de-evolve




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Friday, January 22, 2021 9:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Called it.




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Saturday, January 23, 2021 2:30 AM

WISHIMAY


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Called it.




Honey, WE ALL called out your de-evolution





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