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Keith Olbermann

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Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:42 AM

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Kieth Oberman iz back! And he'z mad az hell about Trump!




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Friday, December 16, 2016 1:25 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


He's lost his mind.


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How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Friday, December 16, 2016 7:52 AM

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He'z just angry. And he haz good reazon to be.



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Friday, December 16, 2016 9:33 AM

REAVERFAN


He was really a lot of fun during the fiasco we remember as the Bush regime. Trump is even MORE stupid than Bush was, so it fits that he'd be back.

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Friday, December 16, 2016 9:38 AM

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He is Patient Zero for the fake news epidemic.

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Friday, December 16, 2016 12:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
He's lost his mind.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

Bad as it was, it could have been worse with Bernie running against Trump.

Bernie Sanders Would Have Lost the Election in a Landslide

by Kevin Drum, Dec. 16, 2016 9:50 AM
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/12/bernie-sanders-would-have-lost-
election-landslide



Could Bernie Sanders have beaten Donald Trump? I think there's almost no chance of that, but since the topic keeps coming up, I feel like I ought to explain why. I know this won't persuade anyone, but the reason is simple: he's just too liberal.

Here's a chart of every Democratic presidential candidate in the postwar era—plus Bernie Sanders. It shows them from least liberal to most liberal. I used NOMINATE http://voteview.org/dwnomin.htm to gauge how liberal senators were; this paper to fill in the governors https://apw.polisci.wisc.edu/archives/caldeira%20and%20zorn.pdf ; and a bit of personal judgment to shift a few candidates around. I'm not pretending I got this perfect, but I think it's in the ballpark. Feel free to move folks around if you like.

Very roughly, the scores show how the candidates compare to all of Congress: LBJ was more liberal than two-thirds of Congress, while Bernie Sanders is more liberal than 99 percent of Congress. Winning candidates are in red.

No Democratic candidate with a score below 15 has ever won the presidency. Bernie Sanders, needless to say, is way below 15. There's not a snowball's chance that he could have won the presidency.

Like I said, I don't expect this to persuade anyone. You can always make up a dozen reasons why this time would have been different. But it wouldn't have been. In the end, Donald Trump was treated like an ordinary Republican. Hillary Clinton, after being forced a bit to the left during the primaries, was treated like an ordinary Democrat who was right on the bubble of being too liberal for the country. Both candidates had plenty of personal flaws that they used against each other, but Sanders did too. They were just different than Clinton's. Republicans would have twisted him up like a wet rag and tossed him down the drain.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, December 16, 2016 12:30 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Trump is even MORE stupid than Bush was


As a reaver fan you should be elated with Trump. Soon he'll be chewing on your flesh while raping you to death. I just know you're gonna love it!

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Saturday, December 17, 2016 1:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I wonder how many Anti-Regan fags there were with no internet?

We had like 20 years of being on Top of the World after Reagan before Clinton sold the Dollar to China.




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I've never watched Keith Olberman before.

Holy Fuck. This guy is pretty damn awesome. I only disagree with him because he somehow attributes ALL negative GWB stuff to Trump and gives Obama a free Pass.


WTF man?

You would have been a bad ass Mother Fucker on my side in 2005.




Now we're going to pretend that Wikileaks is "Bad"...

Remember when you were an intern and all the Democrats FUCKING LOVED WIKILEAKS WHEN THEY WERE ALL AGAINST EVERYTHING GWB????????





Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 6, 2017 2:51 AM

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Monday, January 9, 2017 4:24 AM

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He is nuts

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Tuesday, January 10, 2017 3:33 AM

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Maybe. But that duznt mean he iznt rite.

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Tuesday, February 7, 2017 5:10 AM

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Tuesday, February 7, 2017 5:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Trump is even MORE stupid than Bush was


As a reaver fan you should be elated with Trump. Soon he'll be chewing on your flesh while raping you to death. I just know you're gonna love it!

Cheering for fascists? You'd have been a "good German" back in the day.

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Tuesday, February 7, 2017 5:47 AM

REAVERFAN


He's accurate and feisty, as always. I challenge any of you to find an untruth in a single sentence of anything he says.

You can't. He's spot on. Amazingly correct, not a flaw in his facts or logic.

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Friday, February 10, 2017 11:04 AM

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Now he'z after our nonhuman family memberz.



I am going to notify Purina that I will no longer be purchasing pet food from them or any pet food company. Too risky.

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Friday, March 10, 2017 4:34 AM

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Friday, March 10, 2017 3:34 PM

DREAMTROVE


Jo

I have to concur with 1kiki. He's become a partisan hack. That said, it's Keith Olbermann, unless you want to go with kEX ObrmAn. Sorry, haven't quite worked out the cAps yet. Either way, you might want to edit the header.


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Friday, March 10, 2017 4:19 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Olbermann is of course right on all of it. Too bad though - people are so use to lower standards and lying politicians that they aren't going to lift a finger. He's just another television show to them, so what's all the fuss?

I'm actually disappointed in him, but it happened a while ago, when he wouldn't attack obama, he just became a partisan hack and is still there. He had the potential to be one of theose old school news men. Maybe it's naive of me to think of Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, et al that way, perhaps they were hacks, but if so, the game was deeper. I doubt either of them called their president poop in the pants


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Friday, March 10, 2017 6:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Olbermann is of course right on all of it. Too bad though - people are so use to lower standards and lying politicians that they aren't going to lift a finger. He's just another television show to them, so what's all the fuss?



Yeah he was right. Some of it was low hanging fruit though and that gives fodder to Trump ideologues and trolls. Lucky for them in this country we don't kill or imprison them, we just call them out on it. One way we do that is to help them expose themselves as hypocrites.

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Friday, March 10, 2017 8:24 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by G:

Figure: he was on msnbc. Their audience doesn't want to hear Obama hit jobs.

Good point. Of course polarization is part of the problem, what I come here to get away from.
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both parties could give you enough low hanging fruit to supply a dozen channels with hit-fortainment.
Sure, easily, but is it news? I think he had the potential, many of them do, not Wolf obviously, but you know, like Andersen Cooper, etc. Instead, Assange gets the position. I don't think the media as anyone to blame but themselves for that.
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he's right on all of his observations in that video.
Debatable,
but generally yes, on the other hand, so is Jon Stewart, only he's funny.

Here are some quibbles
1) evil of another nation? He won an election because people voted for him.
Me, a typical Bernie voter, didn't vote for either. Dems need to lose the line "Russia stole the election" if that were possible, we would not be a nation.

Really, though? it's hogwash. Putin's threatening to attack US forces in the Gulf if Hillary was elected before she could command those forces was an act of desperation, not one of a person in control of the situation.

No, HRC was defeated by a very simple domestic force. Aside from Bernie supporters, black people did not vote for her as much as they would a normal dem. Her history of racism, sure, but srsly, he had a better platform for the voters in Detroit and Philly than she did, and that's where this election was really decided.

Intelligence briefings? that's odd. A lot of things that he wouldn't do that later he folder on. For what it's worth, I think Trump is smarter than Olbermann. It is still baffling. Clealy he's not getting along well with the CIA

Bush was a terrible president, but the intelligence briefings were wrong about the terror threat. That's not his fault. An inside job going on without his knowledge is. And that might happen to Trump.

The Russia rant? Please. Attacks Alaska, terror attacks, launches missiles? Russia hacks our systems and we hack theirs, and this has been going on since computers cam along. Remember COCOM? So, when Bush dubbed hackers "criminals" & Obama labelled them "terrorists," Putin was branding them "heroes" which is why he now has more hackers. But that's more of threat to the copyright industry than anyone else.

Trump will bring us slavery, word war, Putin is Hitler? Anyone remember when HRC said she would attack Russia during the campaign?

2nd video.
Trump crazy

okay, the middle videos were less on point.

the last video. he's better. he is mostly on target

I completely agree with him on the hillary voters
flynn was fired, or resigned, so that's actually in line with the speech
we all know donald didn't write that speech, and there were times when you could see him retraining himself.
he was right that the media loved the speech and he attacked them for it. He belongs on RWED!
but nazis ? come on.
Also, ivanka's dress is european? oh no! the dress this was a shameful moment in the media.
steel for keystone was already purchased. trump probably didn't know.


6,

He was awesome in 2005, when he was a serious newsman.

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 6:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Jo

I have to concur with 1kiki. He's become a partisan hack. That said, it's Keith Olbermann, unless you want to go with kEX ObrmAn. Sorry, haven't quite worked out the cAps yet. Either way, you might want to edit the header.




He'z alwayz been solidly Democrat. There needz to be more guyz like him to balans out the hordez uv GoP propaganda spewerz.

Didnt know we can edit titlez. Thanks. I found out in the Skeptics Society forum that I'd missed the L. Onestly, I'd never notised it befor til then!
And I'd alwayz herd it az KEx OBRMIN!

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 8:26 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
again, adults are watching.



Where were all the adults the last 8 years?

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 7:56 PM

DREAMTROVE



Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:

He'z alwayz been solidly Democrat. There needz to be more guyz like him to balans out the hordez uv GoP propaganda spewerz.

Didnt know we can edit titlez. Thanks. I found out in the Skeptics Society forum that I'd missed the L. Onestly, I'd never notised it befor til then!
And I'd alwayz herd it az KEx OBRMIN!

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Pretty sure the media is overbalances on the left, but not, of course, the real left, the kind of partisan democrat, which is barely a liberal.

KEx, okay, had been in the more standard issue model until sometime might have been before obama, but really noticeable w/obama, when he went after obama's opponents instead of staying hard on obama as he was hard on bush.

myself, i don't see a lot of difference between bush and obama, or either of them and clinton. I have no opinion yet on trump. I figure Bush Sr came in w/reagan, so the bush/clintons have been in power since 1980, and now someone else is, I guess after 36 years of that, or 28 years of internationalism, now we have national populism, i'll wait and see.

only thing i see that's happened politically so far is rex tillerson found $20 trillion in oil, in waters filled with russian ships, which probably explains everything that has happened since. the rest is stuff that basically every admin does. not a lot of change, except which side is complaining about it.

more interested in the real world events tho now. a lot happening lately: planets, aliens, AI, stuff i can use for the book i'm writing.



ETA:

G,

we've all known him for 40 years. Is there anything in the period from his Mr New York days to, say, his being lampooned in
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173295
that would lead you to think he would actually check to see if someone had already bought the steel for Keystone XL before saying something about it?

The Ivanka's dress thing really annoyed me. She was wearing it to the Alfalfa Club, which is an elitist event like Bilderberg. I feel it's good to be represented at these, because the elites are going to do something whether the prez is there or not. I can see him not going because as a populist, billionaire or otherwise, he would be attacked for going. So, he sent Ivanka. To represent the US president at what ostensibly is a confederate men's club. The first woman ever to do so. And this is actually serious policy stuff. They can disagree with her, but they were actually just dissing her for being a girl. It was very feminist of our media


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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
again, adults are watching.



Where were all the adults the last 8 years?


6,

there are no adults

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:50 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
They can disagree with her, but they were actually just dissing her for being a girl. It was very feminist of our media



That's our SJW MSM, in a nutshell. If that was Michelle Obama you wouldn't have heard nothing but how great she was the next couple of weeks for being there, but because anything "Trump" doesn't fit in with their agenda they turn into the misogynists they supposedly hate and treat it as a runway event and talk about her dress.

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
They can disagree with her, but they were actually just dissing her for being a girl. It was very feminist of our media



That's our SJW MSM, in a nutshell. If that was Michelle Obama you wouldn't have heard nothing but how great she was the next couple of weeks for being there, but because anything "Trump" doesn't fit in with their agenda they turn into the misogynists they supposedly hate and treat it as a runway event and talk about her dress.



SJW MSM RKO IBM AAA - boxes inside boxes. Your biases be showin'.

No, they wouldn't have said that about Michelle because she was not the daughter of the person who became president on the "Hire American, Buy American!" slogan. Remember that slogan?



Who are the SJW? School teachers, university professors, media, religious faiths,

So far it appears educated has a lot to do with being a SJW. Think of any more G?

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 3:27 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
SJW MSM RKO IBM AAA - boxes inside boxes. Your biases be showin'.

No, they wouldn't have said that about Michelle because she was not the daughter of the person who became president on the "Hire American, Buy American!" slogan. Remember that slogan?



That's cute.

Deny the fact that this actually was a big deal for women but rather than talk about that at all the SJW MSM decided it was worth sacrificing when trying to take down Trump. Can't have anything related to Trump being seen as progressive for women.

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 3:30 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
So far it appears educated indoctrinated has a lot to do with being a SJW.



Fixed it for ya.

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Monday, March 13, 2017 12:42 AM

6STRINGJOKER


What the hell are you even talking about?

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Monday, March 13, 2017 8:29 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
They can disagree with her, but they were actually just dissing her for being a girl. It was very feminist of our media



That's our SJW MSM, in a nutshell. If that was Michelle Obama you wouldn't have heard nothing but how great she was the next couple of weeks for being there, but because anything "Trump" doesn't fit in with their agenda they turn into the misogynists they supposedly hate and treat it as a runway event and talk about her dress.


Def. The dems threw a spaz attack when Trump announced that his daughter would be attending principles and international meetings, and not recognizing the fact that they just ran the ex-president's wife as a candidate.

There's a long history of when we elect a family when we elect an official, which is why there are laws for it. It makes sense for MSM to be sexist when it serves their purposes, because they don't care about anything except getting a neoliberal into office. It's easier to get people to hate Donald, than to hate Ivanka.

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Monday, March 13, 2017 10:15 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:

Funny - the MSM was in large part responsible for getting him elected. It was 24/7 Trump tv and internet news while he was running. Hillary was so boring they hardly ran anything about her except "emails - oh my!" stories. And now they are loving Trump as president. Why would they want a president no one wants to read about? Think about from the $ pov.



Yep.

Did they learn their lesson?

Nope.

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Monday, March 13, 2017 10:18 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
So far it appears educated indoctrinated has a lot to do with being a SJW.



Fixed it for ya.



Quote:

6stringjack
I just went home with my GF and we dry humped for 3 hours in my car because we were still virgins.



Fixed that for ya Jack. I posted a quote of yours because you posted a fake quote of me. There's much worse out their Jack. Don't misquote me.


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Monday, March 13, 2017 10:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:...And now they are loving Trump as president...


MSNBC especially. http://www.politicususa.com/2017/03/10/rachel-maddow-beats-fox-news-fi
nishes-1-hammering-trumprussia-scandal.html


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Monday, March 13, 2017 12:03 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Fixed that for ya Jack. I posted a quote of yours because you posted a fake quote of me. There's much worse out their Jack. Don't misquote me.



Please. Feel free T. You're only embarrassing yourself and showing how petty you are.

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Monday, March 13, 2017 12:38 PM

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I've always thought of Keith Olberman as the purple-faced man. Was always acutely wondering about his blood pressure, and thinking that we might all see him stroke out, right on camera. Even back when, I never thought he was funny. Or insightful. So I stopped watching.

I made it about halfway through the first linked video, and found my mind wandering off, again, to more pleasant topics like getting our tax papers together. Sorry, but I can't listen long enough to formulate a coherent response.



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Monday, March 13, 2017 3:23 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


SECOND

Trump didn't win, Clinton lost.
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

CBS News exit polls suggest Trump’s win was in large part a repudiation of Hillary Clinton by a substantial number of white voters.
There are also indications that Clinton’s gender was a factor in the outcome.
Among white voters, 57 percent said Trump was not honest and trustworthy while fully 70 percent said the same of Clinton.
In the exit polls, voters were asked whether they strongly favored their candidate, liked their candidate but with reservations, or if they voted because they disliked the other candidate. While 21 percent of Clinton voters said they disliked the other candidates, more – 28 percent – of Trump voters reported that. There appears to have been more people voting against Clinton than against Trump.
It is difficult to say with any certainty, but with razor thin margins in some states, a small number of voters who might have supported Clinton (who voted for either Johnson or Stein) could have altered outcomes in some states.
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CBS News Exit Polls: How Donald Trump won the U.S. presidency

by Stanley Feldman and Melissa Herrmann

Many observers thought this presidential election would be decided by Donald Trump’s polarizing rhetoric, his history of behavior toward women and his questionable qualifications for the office.

Instead, CBS News exit polls suggest Trump’s win was in large part a repudiation of Hillary Clinton by a substantial number of white voters. While Clinton did win big majorities of minority voters, she did not get the level of support from those groups that she needed to overcome her deficit among white voters.

There are also indications that Clinton’s gender was a factor in the outcome. The gender gap was substantial. Trump beat Clinton by 53 percent to 41 percent among men while Clinton won among women by 54 percent to 42 percent. Four years ago, President Obama won 45 percent of men’s votes and Mitt Romney won 44 percent of women’s votes.

More telling is the gender breakdown among white voters: Trump beat Clinton among white women 53 percent to 43 percent. This was close to Romney’s margin in 2012. While Mr. Obama won 35 percent of white, male voters in 2012, Clinton lost to Trump among this group by 63 percent to 31 percent.

As expected, Trump did best among white voters without a college degree, beating Clinton by the enormous margin of 72 percent to 23 percent. Trump also won among white, non-college women 62 to 34 percent and white college-educated men, 54 to 39 percent. Among white voters, Clinton only won among women with a college degree by a 51 to 45 percent margin. Interestingly, among white voters, there is no evidence in the exit poll that income affected the likelihood that they supported Trump.

Clinton needed extremely strong support from African-American voters to try to offset Trump’s margin among whites. She did win 88 percent of the black vote to just 8 percent for Trump. However, this was significantly lower than the 93 percent of black voters Mr. Obama won four years ago. The falloff in her share of the black vote was entirely due to black men. Clinton won among black women by a 93 percent to 4 percent margin. Among black men she won by 80 percent to 13 percent.

Many political observers thought a significant number of Republicans would either vote for Clinton, one of the third party candidates, or stay home rather than casting their votes for Trump. According to the exit polls, Republicans stayed loyal to their presidential candidate. Some 89 percent of self-described Republicans voted for Trump; 91 percent of white Republicans did. In contrast, only 84 percent of white Democrats voted for Clinton. She did win 86 percent of white Democratic women, but only 81 percent of white, Democratic men voted for her.

Surprisingly, given all of the attention to Trump’s attitudes and behavior toward women, he did virtually as well among white, Republican women (91 percent support) as he did among white, Republican men (92 percent). Clinton was more competitive among white independent women than men, losing to Trump by a 49 to 41 percent margin among independent women and by 57 to 31 percent among independent men.

The Candidates’ Personal Characteristics

These were not likable candidates who instilled a great deal of confidence in their supporters. Many voters supported one of these candidates despite significant misgivings.

The majority of voters had unfavorable impressions of both. Twelve percent of Clinton voters and 20 percent of Trump voters had an unfavorable opinion of the candidate for whom they opted. So despite their misgivings about the candidates, something still compelled them to support one of them.

Both candidates were seen as not being honest or trustworthy by more than 6 out of 10 voters. However, among white voters, 57 percent said Trump was not honest and trustworthy while fully 70 percent said the same of Clinton. Almost 3 in 10 white voters said neither candidate was honest and trustworthy. Among this group, Trump won 52 percent to Clinton’s 32 percent. 13 percent of these voters supported one of the third party candidates.

Voters in the exit polls were asked if each of the candidates was qualified to serve as president. Almost half thought Clinton was not qualified but only 5 percent of her voters thought that. Even more voters, 6 out of 10, thought Trump was not qualified to be president. Almost a quarter of Trump voters gave him their support despite saying he was not qualified.

Voters were also asked whether each candidate has the temperament to serve effectively as president. By a slim margin, 55 percent to 43 percent, voters said Clinton did have the right temperament. Sixty-three percent said Trump did not have the temperament to be president. Just over half of all white voters said both candidates did not have the right temperament. While very few of Clinton’s voters questioned her temperament, 1 in 4 Trump voters backed him while saying he did not have the temperament to be president.

Voters were asked how they would feel if Clinton were elected president and 53 percent said they would be concerned or scared. Similarly, if Trump were elected president, 58 percent said they would be concerned or scared. Among Clinton voters, 10 percent would be concerned or scared if Clinton were elected and 95 percent would be concerned scared about a Trump presidency. Interestingly, while 94 percent of Trump voters would be concerned or scared about Clinton being elected, 17 percent said they would be concerned about a President Trump.

If many people had serious doubts about both candidates, is there a way to determine how they distinguished between Clinton and Trump? In the exit polls, voters were asked whether they strongly favored their candidate, liked their candidate but with reservations, or if they voted because they disliked the other candidate. While 21 percent of Clinton voters said they disliked the other candidates, more – 28 percent – of Trump voters reported that. There appears to have been more people voting against Clinton than against Trump.

A Verdict on Major Policy Issues?

Can we say Trump did better than expected in the election because a majority of voters supported his most powerfully articulated policy positions? Exit poll voters were asked whether most illegal immigrants working in the U.S. should be offered a chance to apply for legal status or deported to the country they came from. Fully 7 of 10 voters said they should be allowed to apply for legal status. Similarly, more people opposed building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico than supported it. And virtually as many voters (38 percent) said trade with other countries creates more U.S. jobs as said it takes away jobs (42 percent).

How did Trump win when many of his core positions were so unpopular? Some people voted for him regardless of that. Among those who favored giving illegal immigrants a chance to apply for legal status, one in three voted for Trump. Thirty-five percent of people who said international trade creates jobs voted for Trump. And even 27 percent of white voters who said they want the next president to change to more liberal policies voted for Trump.

One issue that may have motivated some white voters is the ongoing national debate over the way police treat African-Americans. The exit poll asked voters whether they think the country’s criminal justice system treats all people fairly or treats blacks unfairly. Half of white voters said blacks are treated fairly while 41 percent say they are treated unfairly. Among the first group, 8 in 10 voted for Trump. Sixty-five percent who said blacks are treated unfairly voted for Clinton.

Did Johnson and Stein Affect the Outcome?

With so many tightly contested races, the votes cast for candidates such as Gary Johnson and Jill Stein may have impacted the overall results. The exit polling asked voters they would have cast ballots for if there were only two candidates (Clinton and Trump). A quarter of Johnson voters said Clinton, 15 percent said Trump, and 55 percent said they would not have voted. Numbers were similar for Stein voters, with about a quarter saying they would have chosen Clinton, 14 percent saying Trump, and 61 percent saying they would not have voted. It is difficult to say with any certainty, but with razor thin margins in some states, a small number of voters who might have supported Clinton could have altered outcomes in some states.

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Stanley Feldman is professor of political science at Stony Brook University; Melissa Herrmann is president of SSRS





How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, March 13, 2017 4:21 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
So far it appears educated indoctrinated has a lot to do with being a SJW.



Fixed it for ya.



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6stringjack
I just went home with my GF and we dry humped for 3 hours in my car because we were still virgins.



Fixed that for ya Jack. I posted a quote of yours because you posted a fake quote of me. There's much worse out their Jack. Don't misquote me.


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T,

I'm so not getting into a argument, this is just a tip:

The point of snarking is to shake someone who is taking themselves too seriously, or snap something back to reality. Just like the point of a sockpuppet is to put everything in an outside perspective, not to make it look like your position has more adherents.

So, like so.

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Monday, March 13, 2017 4:25 PM

SOCKPUPPET


Like so
Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
T,

I'm so not getting into a argument, this is just a tip: me telling everyone how to post again.

The point of snarking is to shake someone who is taking themselves too seriously, or snap something back to reality. what I want. Just like the point of a sockpuppet Sockpuppet is to put everything in an outside perspective, not to make it look like your position has more adherents.
attack yourself.



Fixed that for ya, DT

with (strike) and (/strike) tabs, with these guys < and >

Now if you don't think I'm nucking futs, I don't know what will do the trick

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Monday, March 13, 2017 4:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


HA HA!




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:03 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


For all thoze who think MSNBC and CNN and the network newz are just the left wing equivelent uv Fox and their ilk, herez an old Maddow show:



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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:37 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
They can disagree with her, but they were actually just dissing her for being a girl. It was very feminist of our media



That's our SJW MSM, in a nutshell. If that was Michelle Obama you wouldn't have heard nothing but how great she was the next couple of weeks for being there, but because anything "Trump" doesn't fit in with their agenda they turn into the misogynists they supposedly hate and treat it as a runway event and talk about her dress.



SJW MSM RKO IBM AAA - boxes inside boxes. Your biases be showin'.

No, they wouldn't have said that about Michelle because she was not the daughter of the person who became president on the "Hire American, Buy American!" slogan. Remember that slogan?

Hmm. I guess this 6stringjoker dude is just 6 string jack.

Why?

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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:44 PM

SOCKPUPPET


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Hmm. I guess this 6stringjoker dude is just 6 string jack.

Why?

there was a thread about it, his login wasn't working.

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Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:06 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Odd! This exact link iz working in the Skeptics Forum but not here!

I'm going to put the s back in and you can see it directly on Youtube.

GaK! That didnt work. Let me try adding the url code.
Still gooberd up.

How do I make a link to youtube without it trying to embed it?

(everybody start chanting Xenforo and send Haken sum $$$)

For now, you'l haf to go to youtube, search 'Keith Olberman' and watch episode 50 uv The Rezistans. Its about the stooopidest uv Trump fanz.

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Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:53 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Yeah J0... Something is amiss here. The site is working fine, except when it doesn't work.....

I've noticed a few oddities here and there over the last few weeks since Google went down at the exact same time as fff.net for about 20 minutes. It took over half a day for this site to recover and it's been weird since.

Nobody else answered me when I asked, but do you get warnings that your login is not secure when you try to log into the site? Firefox still warns me every time and never did before that outage.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 1:40 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


xanks, G.

Herez wun that coud go in the Trump Nuts topic insted:



6string - I hav been getting sum odd failurez lately. Sum hav turned out to be websites crashing, like the MVS website wuz down for at least 3 dayz with this warning "website has exeeded its bandwidth limit"! It may be an all out hacker war from Russia!



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Friday, March 31, 2017 2:09 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by G:




Wow, he so described what it is like dealing with SIG.

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll. oh my.


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Friday, March 31, 2017 2:16 PM

REAVERFAN


The man knows what he's talking about.

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Monday, April 10, 2017 1:34 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


From 2010 on Bill Mahr'z show tokking about Glen Beck:



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Monday, April 10, 2017 8:58 AM

DREAMTROVE


Keith Olbermann's name is still misspelled in the subject header.

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Friday, May 5, 2017 1:09 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


DAMIT! Let me try agen.

OK, how about now?

About wuts going on with the Russia investigation:



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