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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:59 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


from the CNN.com homepage, regarding what they're now calling the "Underwear Bomber."
In case you don't remember who this guy is, he was Director of Homeland Security under Bush.

Why try him at all? Why not just torture him to death, right there in front of the airplane, on TV, during Neilsen month?

Seems to me, this person committed a bunch of crimes, in the United States, and there's this document called the Constitution, which guaranteed rights for everybody. Under that document, he's not even guilty, only alledged, until "Proven in a court of law." And he's still protected against "cruel and unusual punishment" even if convicted. Doesn't say "only applies to American citizens" in that part of the document.

Now those are things that could be fixed , by amendment, if enough voters agree. But that hasn't happened yet, and he's also protected against ex-post-facto laws, as are we all.

He looks pretty damn guilty, and the Feds should give him the speedy trial he deserves, which should be pretty easy.

But it's a short step from a cop ( and that's what the Director of Homeland Security is, really, a big political top cop...) deciding he's guilty and carrying out sentence against him, to vigilante justice, lynch mobs in the streets, accusing the political opposition of treason and abetting terrorists and then locking up every dissident.

MY Constitutional Rights are threatened by Tom Ridge, a Bushie ex- official, as are yours. I'm glad he's an 'ex"...



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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:37 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


"I take a look at this individual who has been charged criminally, does that mean he gets his Miranda warnings? The only information we get is if he volunteers it?" Ridge said. "He's not a citizen of this country. He's a terrorist, and I don't think he deserves the full range of protections of our criminal justice system embodied in the Constitution of the United States."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/29/lkl.tom.ridge.terrorism/index.h
tml


Yep, not the brightest thing to say. Even if Mr. Ridge is trying to suggest that Mr. AbdulMutallab should be treated as an enemy combatant, rather than just a criminal, he sure didn't state it very well.

That being said, I'd bet Mr. AbdulMutallab's lawyers will claim he wasn't read his Miranda rights, in a language he could understand, when arrested. Hey, it's their job.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:32 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Tom Ridge is a mass-murdering psychopath who massacred innocent people in Vietnam. If this alleged bomber has no legal rights, then you don't either.

His legal defense is that he's a US Govt employee on a training drill for US Dept of Homeland Security, doing exactly what Obama ordered him to do. He lived in London in his family's $4-million house, protected by MI5 at engineering college. His daddy is a bankster member of British parliament in British Nigeria, who covered his ass and told US embassy his kid was a "terrorist". He had no passport, but CIA/INTERPOL personally escorted him and ordered Delta Airlines to let him board an international flight WITHOUT A PASSPORT. This CIA/INTERPOL agent then videotaped the bomber start to finish on the airliner, even during the fire.

Anyone who's flown in Europe knows it's impossible it is to fly without a passport, and how it's a CRIME to videotape inside an airliner.

Quote:

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano hastened to assure people that flying is "very, very safe, now that all passengers are required to wear diapers and pee their pants. We are very proud of our 1,000s of illegal aiiens working as airport security screeners, who allow 50-million illegal aliens to move freely in USA without ID."




FALSE FLAG TREASON: CNN Airs Eyewitness Testimony that ‘Well-Dressed’ Indian accomplice helped Abdulmutallab board without passport and that man on plane filmed entire flight and bombing attempt
http://www.infowars.com/man-videotaped-underwear-bomber-on-flight-253/
http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-evidence-clearly-indicates-staged-at
tack-on-detroit-flight
/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bomber-had-no-passport-helped-to-board-pla
ne-by-sharp-dressed-man.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bombshell-evidence-clearly-indicates-stage
d-attack-on-detroit-flight.html






Quote:



A Michigan man who was aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 says he witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab trying to board the plane in Amsterdam without a passport.

Haskell said he and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab approach the gate with an unidentified man.

Kurt and Lori Haskell are attorneys with Haskell Law Firm in Taylor. Their expertise includes bankruptcy, family law and estate planning.

While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, 'He's from Sudan and we do this all the time.'”

Mutallab is Nigerian. Haskell believes the man may have been trying to garner sympathy for Mutallab's lack of documents by portraying him as a Sudanese refugee.

The ticket agent referred Mutallab and his companion to her manager down the hall, and Haskell didn't see Mutallab again until after he allegedly tried to detonate an explosive on the plane.

Haskell said the flight was mostly unremarkable. That was until he heard a flight attendant say she smelled smoke, just after the pilot announced the plane would land in Detroit in 10 minutes. Haskell got out of his seat to view the brewing commotion.

“I stood up and walked a couple feet ahead to get a closer look, and that's when I saw the flames,” said Haskell, who sat about seven rows behind Mutallab. “It started to spread pretty quickly. It went up the wall, all the way to ceiling.”

Haskell, who described Mutallab as a diminutive man who looks like a teenager, said about 30 seconds passed between the first mention of smoke and when Mutallab was subdued by fellow passengers.

“He didn't fight back at all. This wasn't a big skirmish,” Haskell said. “A couple guys jumped on him and hauled him away.”

The ordeal has Haskell and his wife a little shaken. Flight attendants were screaming during the fire and the pilot sounded notably nervous when bringing the plane in for a landing, he said.

“Immediately, the pilot came on and said two words: emergency landing,” Haskell said. “And that was it. The plane sped up instead of slowing down. You could tell he floored it.”

As Mutallab was being led out of the plane in handcuffs, Haskell said he realized that was the same man he saw trying to board the plane in Amsterdam.

Passengers had to wait about 20 minutes before they were allowed to exit the plane. Haskell said he and other passengers waited about six hours to be interviewed by the FBI.

About an hour after landing, Haskell said he saw another man being taken into custody. But a spokeswoman from the FBI in Detroit said Mutallab was the only person taken into custody.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passeng
er_says_at_l.html

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/commenter_says_he_
was_aboard_n.html




Just a Standard Training Op.

Quote:



They were sitting about 20 rows behind Abdulmutallab, in a center aisle with her husband and daughter a row ahead of her and their two new adopted children, a six-year-old girl and an eight-year-old boy.

Her daughter said that ahead of them was a man who videotaped the entire flight, including the attempted detonation.

"He sat up and videotaped the entire thing, very calmly," said Patricia. "We do know that the FBI is looking for him intensely. Since then, we've heard nothing about it."


"We heard what sounded like an electrical pop to me. Everybody looked above their seats, kind of like startled, panicked. Shortly thereafter, we heard the screams. We could not see what was going on. We were too far back. We heard shouting, and you could hear the mayhem happening.

At that point, two flight attendants ran at full speed to get fire extinguishers.

...

"They got us off faster than anything you've ever seen, and then they shuffled us off to a room where we spent quite a few hours. They were doing their very best. We were frustrated, because there was never water distributed. There was one bathroom for 300 people, and it was very hard because there were kids crying. Nobody knew what was going on. We were not allowed to call anybody."

Patricia also expressed anger toward the airline for how she feels they were treated after the flight.

"We're very frustrated with Delta because, once we finally got released and we were able to go, of course, everybody missed their flights, but they did not help us in one way. We were just thrown out there. We had to scramble and look for flights, try to rent cars, whatever we could do. That was very disappointing to us."

The adopted children came from an orphanage in Ethiopia who had never seen snow.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/80201152.html



The CIA/INTERPOL handler was released and the arrest blotter erased, as the "lone nut" patsy continues his charade following orders by Obama.

FALSE FLAG TREASON: Underwear Bomber "In a Trance", Stared “Into Nothing”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6890990/ Hero-tackled-alleged-Northwest-plane-bomber-as-flames-came-from-him-on-flight-to-Detroit.html

FALSE FLAG TREASON: Detroit jet terrorist attack was staged by US Dept of Homeland Security
http://rt.com/Politics/2009-12-29/detroit-terror-act-fake.html

FALSE FLAG TREASON: Obama and Jew Lieberman Widen Terror War to Yemen
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/28/world/middleeast/28yemen.html?_r=1&h
p

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/lieberman-yemen-terrorism-hasan/200
9/12/27/id/344701




Quote:

“It seems ironic that there is so much excitement about this and now talk about attacking Yemen. It really scares me because we do so much already – we spend $75 billion dollars on intelligence gathering in this country in order to protect us and make us safe, so with $75 billion dollars we weren’t able to detect this individual where there’s a glaring warning sign. Either awful stupidity or there must be an agenda….I am concerned what they are going to do to the American people,” citing how the 9/11 hijackers were also known to the authorities, who were warned that they were only training to learn how to fly a plane and not how to land, but that nothing was ever done about it. “They’ll add some more security on to us – first they make us take off our shoes and then our belts and then small bottles of water and put our computers in a tray and on and on so something else is going to happen, they won’t let us get out of our seats or look at our bags, thinking that’s going to make us a lot safer. The bigger the problem and the more the fear is built up, the more they take away our personal liberties and turn us all into zombies and the American people go along with it and say as long as it makes us safer I guess it’s OK to go along but it’s time the American people woke up and started realizing that there’s a bit of propaganda going on and quite possibly this incident will not only undermine our personal liberties but will also accelerate our intervention and the violence occurring in the Middle East.”
-Congressman Ron Paul MD

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-says-agenda-behind-bombing-incide
nt-is-more-war-more-attacks-on-liberty.html



FALSE FLAG TREASON: Obama Demands All Airline Passengers Be Stripped Naked and Forced to Wear Diapers and Pee Their Pants
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1239032/Would-YOU-happy-naked-
body-scan.html


FALSE FLAG TREASON: Police State Contractors and Jew Joe Lieberman Call for Naked Full-Body Screening Devices Grow After Terror Attempt
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a4fzip9qPK44

Commie Congresswoman Demands Airports Use ESP Behavioral Surveillance System
http://www.breitbart.tv/dem-congresswoman-demands-terrorist-tracking-s
ystem-changes
/

FALSE FLAG TREASON: Obama's immigration bill dismantles enforcement, increases pressure on American workers
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/hotline/2009/12/immigration-bill-dismantles
-enforcement.php


REALITY CHECK: Pharmaceuticals are more dangerous to your health than terrorists’ exploding underwear
http://www.naturalnews.com/027825_terrorists_underwear.html

Quote:

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—Dick Cheney, March 29, 2006
youtube.com/watch?v=nb3fesK-4S4
http://whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

"9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
—FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using Israeli passports. They are armed and dangerous."
-Knox County TN E911 Dispatch, BOLO Be On the Lookout, Sept 11, 2001, 11am EST (Jewish Mossad agents dressed as Arabs celebrating the 9/11 attacks at Ground Zero)
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
youtube.com/watch?v=WRWQxlnZQj4


FBI will pay you $1-million to arrest Adam Gadhn Perlman, the ADL's heavy-metal American jewish leader of AlQaeda:
http://cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/13/american.qaeda.message/index.htm
l

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/oct2006/gadahn101106.htm

"During the harshest period of my interrogation I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop. I later told the interrogators that their methods were stupid and counterproductive. I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time and led to several false red-alerts being placed in the U.S."
-Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (the alleged mastermind of 9.11), interview by Red Cross at US military torture death camp at Guantanamo Bay in Communist Cuba, ICRC Report on the Treatment of Fourteen 'High Value Detainees' in CIA Custody, February 2007
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/05/during-my-interrogation-
i-gave-lot-of.html


"The 2005 memo also says that the C.I.A. used waterboarding 183 times in March 2003 against Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described planner of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."
—Scott Shane, New York Times, Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects, April 19, 2009
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2009/04/183-waterboards-per-prisoner
-for-false.html


"The Israeli Defense Force is a 500-pound gorilla in Israel. Known to disregard international law to accomplish mission. Very unlikely to fire on American forces [except for USS Liberty then blamed Egypt]. Fratricide a concern especially in air space management. MOSSAD: Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."
-Jedi Knights, SAMS US Army School of Advanced Military Studies, Rowan Scarborough, Washington Times, "U.S. troops would enforce peace under Army study," 10 September 2001
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/911timeline/2001/washingtontimes091
001.html

http://www.public-action.com/911/sams.html

Obama's White House chief of staff is an Israeli citizen and Israeli soldier who cannot get a security clearance, yet has access to US Top Secrets. He introduced Monica to Bill Clinton Blythe III (trillionaire Arkansas governor Winthrop Rockefeller's bast$$d son).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

"By way of deception, we shall wage war."
-Mossad motto

"'We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,' Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events 'swung American public opinion in our favor.'"
-Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Haaretz, Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel, 16 April 2008
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html

"Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
-Israeli prime minister Netanyahu, to Jonathan Pollard (convicted traitor and spy in USA)

OPERATION NORTHWOODS - Jewish general's signed confession by US Govt for perping airline hijackings and bombings in USA, then blame patsies to start war:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

Israeli attack on USS Liberty to blame Arabs
http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=uss+liberty

FBI paid Emad Salem $1-million and gave him the bomb to bomb World Trade Center in 1993, with immunity from prosecution as the star witness against the blind patsy.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&aq=f&sourceid=ch
rome&ie=UTF-8&q=emad+salem



FALSE FLAG TERRORISM: 9/11 Hijackers Trained at U.S. Military Bases, Lived with FBI Agents
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&sourceid=chrome&
ie=UTF-8&q=9/11+hijackers+trained+us+military+bases







http://september911surprise.piratenews.org

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."
-George W Bush, Gridiron Dinner, March 2001

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Just to change the title back to the original.

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:51 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Ever heard of 'in a nutshell", PN?

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:00 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Ever heard of 'in a nutshell", PN?



Repetition is the mother of learning... and brainwashing.



Quote:

"ARABS ARE PSYCHOS! ARABS ARE PSYCHOS! ARABS ARE PSYCHOS! ARABS ARE PSYCHOS! ARABS ARE PSYCHOS! ARABS ARE PSYCHOS!"
-Ben Stein




When presidential speech writers are in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, we have a problem.

And the stoopid goy have no idea who the enemy is. Ben Stein knows...

Quote:

"We are on the verge of 1860."
-Glenn Beck, psychoic alcoholic drug fiend with a $100-million paycheck, Fox & Friends





ALARM RED THIS IS NOT A DRILL

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:05 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Just to change the title back to the original.



No comments about this Intelligence psyop?

Scaredicat got yer tongue?

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:05 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Ever heard of 'in a nutshell", PN?



Repetition is the mother of learning... and brainwashing.



Or just boring crap that you tune out.

Here's a hint, I don't read multiple links or watch YouTube links. If you have something to say, say it succinctly.

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:16 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Ever heard of 'in a nutshell", PN?



Repetition is the mother of learning... and brainwashing.



Or just boring crap that you tune out.

Here's a hint, I don't read multiple links or watch YouTube links. If you have something to say, say it succinctly.



Is there nothing in your head? If so who put it there?

If you won't read, you can't learn, you can't think, and you can't participate in the class discussion. Typical F student.

That's exactly what the skool industrial complex is designed to do, replace facts with opinions.
www.deliberatedumbingdown.com


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Wednesday, December 30, 2009 12:40 AM

FREMDFIRMA



She's got a point John, you give em enough to get interested themselves, they might listen - you sit there and drone on past the patience of a saint, all you get is ignored.

I have to keep my trap shut on this one as a favor to some folk, for a while - but the whole matter doesn't pass the sniff test, and everyone up here knows it, most particularly the folk at DTW, all of whom are under a gag order that I don't see holding for any length of time.

People talk, even and especially when they ain't supposed to, that's a fact - it seems like they're just hoping to keep a lid on it till the media effectively distracts the populace and muddies the issue to where the facts won't matter, is all.

And so, imma just wait till one of them overpaid slobs cannot resist the urge to shoot off his mouth - which shouldn't take long at all.

-F

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Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:06 AM

DREAMTROVE


I was about to say just something very similar, but Frem beat me to it: If they're ignoring me, then it's a shoe-in they're ignoring you.

Sure, no one buys the terrorism because you'd have to walk through security with a bomb, and well, ain't it just convenient that all of this is happening at once, just as people are doubting this war on terror (wonderful link from Mike on defining the situation in Afgh. as part of the war on terror.)

As a footnote, I wouldn't say "expanding it to Yemen." OBL is a Yemeni, and the US ain't about to go to war in Yemen I suspect. Listening to the MSM, I'd say "looking to expand the GWOT (giant waste of time) to Nigeria, where we have substantial oil interests.

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Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:26 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

you sit there and drone on past the patience of a saint, all you get is ignored.
"In a nutshell"

...something about "infobombing"...

Just because people don't want to spend as much time wearing out their eyes to read all the crap you post, PN, doesn't mean they're stupid. Actually, the exact opposite.




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Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:37 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Gee, that didn't take long, now did it.

Will Grigg tears em to shreds on it, too.
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/12/old-false-flag-trick.html

Lemme note that someone is makin a mint on these scanners as well - y'all remember those multimillion dollar ones that were supposed to sniff out explosives, yes ?

Well between NOT WORKING, and the tremendous amount of false positives, they went to the scrapheap, AFTER you and I paid massive tax dinero for em, of course - and frankly all of this bullshit is just security theatre, cause if I wanted to I could get a conga line of dancing girls with RPG-7s right through DTW in broad daylight, honestly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

And no, despite all the claims and supposed tests, those stripper-scanners are no more reliable or effective, besides which the potential for harm to the passengers is drastically understated, of course.

And let's not even get into biometrics, which also do not work, spark more false positives than accurate hits, and like the ADS pain beam, despite protestations to the contrary were never intended to be used against threats to the citizenry, but rather the citizenry itself.

Which begs the question of why the powers that be should be so grossly terrified of us, does it not ?

-Frem

There always has to be a price.

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Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:43 AM

DREAMTROVE


And with amazing quickness too bob

Frem,

I refer you back to what you just told me: it's not about us, it's about them and power. They want gestapo like control over human transportation. They want to track where everyone is going all the time, like the USSR. I don't think they're afraid, I think they want to foster this atmosphere because it breeds obedience out of fear.

Mike

What happened to sniperkitty?


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Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:55 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
MY Constitutional Rights are threatened by Tom Ridge, a Bushie ex- official, as are yours. I'm glad he's an 'ex"...


There are so many things wrong with this statement I'm surprised your keyboard didn't smack you in the face for typing it.

Your Constitutional Rights are NOT threatened by Tom Ridge. Governor Ridge has no power. What he does have is HIS Consitutional Right to free speech.

But lets assume he gets his way and non-citizen terrorists are not given Constitutional Rights, does this threaten your Constitutional Rights? You know your own mind, nationality, and politics, so YES, your rights are threatened, because you are a terrorist AND not a citizen of the United States.

Are terrorists who are denied Constitutional Rights actually denied their rights? Legally no. The Supreme Court recognizes limitations on the exercise of our rights. Limitations must be limited in scope and serve a compelling governmental interest. The Court also notes specifically that the Constitution is NOT a suicide pact. Thats why you need a permit to have a Klan rally or why you can be denied your free speech right to harass your ex-girlfriend.

Terrorism is an act of war against this country...it is NOT a criminal act. It was illegal to fly over Pearl Harbor and drop bombs on American ships...but we did not send the Honolulu Police Department to arrest Jap pilots. Not one Jap pilot was charged with so much as a single count of Disorderly Conduct for having dropped those bombs.

War means fighting, fighting means killing. There is not much room in there for Due Process. This guy has information we need, allowing him to hide that information behind a shield of legal rights is absurd. He has the right to reasonable treatment for his injuries, to shelter, food, to not be tortured. He has no right to not be interrogated within the confines of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. What rights he has are humanitarian in nature, his legal rights are minimal and limited at best.

Legally he is not even entitled to standard POW rights since he was not captured in uniform and Al Queda is NOT a signatory to any internation conventions regarding the treatment of prisoners. Legally a conflict between one signatory and a non-signatory binds neither side to the conventions except by choice.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:12 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:

it's not about us, it's about them and power. They want gestapo like control over human transportation. They want to track where everyone is going all the time, like the USSR. I don't think they're afraid, I think they want to foster this atmosphere because it breeds obedience out of fear.



This was on network TV last night, with a medical doctor reporting on her patient -- a head of state -- telling her "the mass culling on 7-billion people will soon begin" (at 2:30 in Part 6 of 6):



Quote:

"In 2003 I had a patient who was a patient in my drug-free medical practice, who was a head of state. One day she said, 'You know, it's almost time for the Great Culling to begin. The Great Culling, when you thin the herd. It's almost time for the Useless Eaters to be culled. Those are the people who are consuming our unrenewable natural resources.' I said, 'Who's behind that?' She said, 'We, the aristocrats.'"
-Dr Rima Laibow MD, wife of General Albert Stubblebine (commander of Men Who Kill Goats in CIA's Project Stargate), Bilderberg Conspiracy Theory with Govenor Jesse Ventura
youtube.com/watch?v=4Az0csNr5B0
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=300
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266884912495233634
youtube.com/watch?v=dIuYNaDIFm0



This TruTV show reported the trillionaire NWO terrorists are deathly afraid of 7-billion sheeple, hence their Police State to genocide 6.5-billion ASAP, per the Gerogia Guidestones and CNN founder Ted Turner).

Similar warning to what large groups of doctors to taught back in the 1960s, about mass-culling of the sheeple:
http://www.sweetliberty.org/nobarbarians1.htm

60-million US citizens have been genocided since 1973, when US Supreme Court legalized genocide in Roe v Wade. MDs genocide and additional 1-million US citizens per year by routine medical malpractice and normal use of meds.

Can't do the Great Culling of 6.5-billion sheeple without kidnapping by police state death squads, secret gulag death camps, torture (for false confessions and intimidation of everyone else), martial law checkpoints and traffic stops for all drivers, and false-flag "terrorism".

Anyone who sheepishly complies with 1,000s of illegal alien TSA airport screeners making strip searches, and airlines requiring diapers for all passengers to pee their pants, is a slave who will "voluntarily comply" with illegal orders to go to the local death camp for culling.

This fake "bombing" is a psyop test for how far They can push the sheep, an excuse for no-bid TSA contracts, and kickoff for the Yemen War.

1,000s of CIA and special forces troops are already attacking Yemen every day, BEFORE the Xmas "bombing".
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&q=special+
forces+yemen&aq=f&oq=&aqi
=

Predator terminator robots have been assassinating US CITIZENS in Yemen since 2002 (no pesky arrests nor trials to worry about).
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&sourceid=chrome&
ie=UTF-8&q=predator+drone+yemen+kill


GW Bush signed the invasion order to start the Afghan War one day before 9/11/2001, with US troops already deployed to the Afghan border weeks before 9/11.

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Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I believe the bombing of Pearl Harbor was an act of war, wasn't it? One nation going to war with another nation, and a declaration of same was made immediately thereafter. I don't think that's a valid comparison. That's all.

Oh, and "O Mike!!! Fat Freddy's Cat!" What memories...thank you!! Maybe I'll try to find Freeloadin' Frank with his "keep on truckin'" for mine!!!




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Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:20 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
One nation going to war with another nation, and a declaration of same was made immediately thereafter. I don't think that's a valid comparison.


Lets ask President Roosevelt:

"Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger."- In Congress, Dec 8, 1941.

I note for the record that he did not ask Congress to declare war on Japan. He asked them to declare that a state of war was already in existence with Japan at the time of his address after the fact.

"I ask that the Congress declare that...a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire." Id.

Other attacks on the US prior to the address on Dec 8 included Midway, the Phillipines, and Guam.

I suggest that the same facts are true with respect to Al Queda. Hostilities exist, a state of war has existed since September 11, 2001. A declared was has never been necessary for a state of war to exist between two powers. In fact, since diplomatic relations have never existed between the United States and Al Queda, a formal declaration (with all the top hats and trimmings) may not even be possible.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I maintain that Al Qaeda is not a nation, or a "power" per se, so the comparison is off. Respectfully, anything else is nitpicking in my opinion. That's all.

Hey Mike; I found it, how do I get it up?



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Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:35 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

It seems unlikely that the man could have been on a different flight because all the passengers from Flight 253 were kept in the same area away from other passengers, as would be required after an attempted terrorist attack. All three eyewitnesses that saw the man being led away were convinced that he was a passenger on the same plane.

After the sniffer dogs flagged up the man’s luggage, Flight 253 passengers were told not to use mobile phones or computers and were then moved to another area. “You’re being moved,” the FBI told them, “it is not safe here. I’m sure you all saw what happened and can read between the lines and why you’re being moved.”

Both Kurt Haskell and fellow passenger Daniel Huisinga said the FBI agents clearly indicated that they were being moved because explosives had been found in the Indian man’s bags. Why would passengers be told that the area was unsafe and then moved if only drugs had been found in the man’s bags? This contradiction has been completely ignored by the mainstream media, who have dutifully swallowed the denial that the second man was involved in the plot without question.

In addition, when FBI agents interviewed eyewitness Kurt Haskell, they showed him photographs of the Indian man, suggesting they knew or suspected he was connected to the incident. If the man was on a different plane and detained on a drug-related charge then why days after the fact were the FBI still asking questions about him in relation to the Flight 253 attack?



Officials Claim Second Man Arrested for Bomb on Flight 253 and Videotaping the Bomber for Entire Flight Was Unrelated To Christmas Attack
http://www.infowars.com/officials-claim-second-man-unrelated-to-christ
mas-attack
/
http://www.detnews.com/article/20091230/METRO/912300417/Second-airport
-arrest-unrelated-to-attack


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

Lets ask President Roosevelt:

"Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger."- In Congress, Dec 8, 1941.




http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/pearlharbor.htm

I note for the record that FDR and Churchill paid the Japs to attack Pearl Harbor, and ordered the US Navy to stand down WHILE THE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR WAS TAKING PLACE.


Idiot Sheeple Get Strip Fried by TSA Nuke Shutes
http://noworldsystem.com/2009/12/31/full-body-scanners-to-fry-traveler
s-with-radiation
/

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Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:08 PM

FREMDFIRMA



FYI, the TSA has been carpet bombing subpeanos at bloggers over this in an attempt to get them to shut the hell up.

No matter what their intentions are (mostly ass covering, I think) it's just feeding the frenzy.

-F

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Friday, January 1, 2010 4:09 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Quite ineffectively, it seems, as one of the eyewitnesses happens to be a lawyer and has enough local clout to make intimidating him or shutting him up a hell of a lot more difficult.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passeng
er_kurt_hask.html


And I will grudgingly admit there *are* some decent TSA folk good at what they do involved at DTW, not the family-fondlers and screener-goons, but more coherent, discreet folk who actually DO know WTF they're doing, and in order to not compromise them I'll not go into details...

But they are severely, bitterly *pissed* at the FBI for reasons unspecified at this time, probably due to violations of procedure in the name of ass covering - given some recent events in other parts of the world where assets our intel folk were attempting to cultivate turned on them with (predictably) disastrous results, there's also questions of just how much was known in advance, since it's damned offensive that so many terrorists who have tried or made attacks have been on some alphabet agencies payroll, and that might be a factor at this time as well.

Mostly though, it looks like security theatre and ass covering, once again leaving the public swinging in the breeze to protect the reputations of incompetents, *sigh*.

I do find it satisfying that the FBI is getting a frosty reception up here, and having hard questions put to them even by local authorities, especially since this incident follows on the heels of trying to start a some serious shit by framing and murdering a local imam up in dearborn, and completely failing to have any effect on the scourge that is the Detroit PD cause they were too busy committing the same kind of bullshit and harrassment they were SUPPOSED to be investigating and prosecuting to bother...

So the whole metro area and it's more rational authorites, most especially former Wayne County Sheriff Warren Evans, now chief of the DPD (which gives me some hope they might be able to clean out the rot, cause he's as good and professional a man as I have ever known) - are completely out of patience with these fucking federale goons and see them as little more than sanctioned domestic terrorists themselves.

So you can imagine that their bullshit is decidedly unwelcome here, as are they, right up to and including them throwing a hissy when the hotel wouldn't give them a law enforcement discount, and the adjoining county sheriff telling them if they cross the county line he will arrest em cause they got no business outside of their investigation or jurisdiction.
See, there's a medical marijuana thing goin on, and he does NOT want an 'incident' and resultant lawsuit provoked by the fuckin feds given that his dept is under financial siege by angry locals already.

I find it extremely gratifying that even with home field advantage, I don't have to bother raising a backlash against em, cause folk around here already hate the bastards every bit as much as they deserve.

-Frem

There always has to be a price.

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:24 AM

FREMDFIRMA



And now they change the story, again...
Official confirms 2nd man interviewed from Flight 253
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100102/METRO01/1020331/1408/local

Quote:

Smith said a second man from Flight 253 was handcuffed, escorted to a room where he was interviewed and searched. Nothing was found. The man was not arrested or detained, and no further information was available about him, Smith said.


Uh huh, something about THAT doesn't pass the sniff test either, wanna bet that guy ain't nowhere to be found and inconveniently interviewed ?

Seriously, I smell a rat here, although it's exact size and nomenclature are yet to be determined.

-F

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:28 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh yes, and lemme now make it official, given they admitted it, those sniffer machines, which are junk, are indeed headed for the scrap heap.

Airport puffers booted by TSA
http://www.freep.com/article/20100103/NEWS05/1030479/1318/

Salient points...
The Transportation Security Administration spent $29.6 million buying 207 of the machines from General Electric and Smiths Detection.

However, puffers had one problem -- they continually clogged from dirt and dust, breaking and costing thousands to maintain. Without ever detecting any explosives in real use, they were prone to false-positives and broke down after an average of 551 hours of use -- only 38% of how many hours they were supposed to serve, according to a Government Accountability Office report in October.


So GE makes a bundle, we get the shaft, and thirty million pissed down the drain for nothing - and these full body scanner widgets will be the same boondoggle all over again, till the next one, and the next one, it ain't about security as much as feedin the Lobbyists puppetmasters, never you doubt it.

-F

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 4:24 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


"My intel sources tell me this was a joint operation by CIA, Mossad and Indian intelligence."
-Wayne Madsen, NSA

I see Wayne uses my artwork on his website, of National Press Club using the logo of Bohemian Grove (owl and lamp):


www.waynemadsenreport.com

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 4:52 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I believe the bombing of Pearl Harbor was an act of war, wasn't it? One nation going to war with another nation, and a declaration of same was made immediately thereafter. I don't think that's a valid comparison. That's all.

Oh, and "O Mike!!! Fat Freddy's Cat!" What memories...thank you!! Maybe I'll try to find Freeloadin' Frank with his "keep on truckin'" for mine!!!







Niki: Close, but not quite. It's Bill the Cat, from Berke Breathed's "Bloom County".

As for getting your avatar, I'll try to explain.

Go into your Profile page on this site, get into the "Edit Profile" area, and then you'll see your signature, alias, and other info displayed, along with a slew of avatars from the show. You'll need to upload your own picture as an avatar in the "TAG" area of your profile. You'll need the web address of the avatar pic (the "http://..." part of the string). JPG images seem to work best, at least for me. I tried it as a .gif, and it wasn't having that.

Use the (<) and (>) tag brackets on either end of the whole string. I'll post the whole string from my profile, but I'll post it with lots of parentheses so hopefully it will display in a way you can see and use, without just turning it into an image.

(<)img src=("http info goes here .jpg")(>)

If you can see that, just copy and paste it into your profile's Tag area, and then remove ALL the parentheses, paste in your own avatar's web address, and you should be good to go. Lose the parentheses, but keep the quotation marks around the http part. :)

And I'm 100% certain that someone here (YinYang, PhoenixRose, etc.) can explain that in a much easier-to-understand fashion, but hopefully this will be enough to help you out.


Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:32 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And I'm 100% certain that someone here (YinYang, PhoenixRose, etc.) can explain that in a much easier-to-understand fashion, but hopefully this will be enough to help you out.



Penguin's thread has the best explanation, IMO, because of the pretty pictures:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=5&t=29479

But, you did pretty good.

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:41 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Thanks for that, Yin - AND for the handy link! You rock.

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 7:10 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh,damn, Mike, you're right; I read "Bloom County" so much, I shouldn't have mistaken the two. Duhhhh...

Thanx for the instructions, I'll try 'em.

Hee, hee, hee; it worked, many thanx!



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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 6:48 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Yep, bout like expected, when someone (Elliot) stood up to them, they folded.

TSA Withdraws Subpoenas Against Bloggers
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/tsa-withdraws-subpoenas

I've no respect whatever for Frischling, if you're gonna dare stand and deliver against the powers that be, then stand and deliver! - don't go rolling over like a pansy and encouraging their excesses by feeding them in that fashion.

To be absolutely honest, I am *LAUGHING* at his woes, whining that his stuff is broke after he handed it right on over like a cowardly little bitch, and a stupid one besides, cause if they don't fuck up the drive, they will *ALWAYS, ALWAYS* "find" something on it to hang you, even if they have to plant it - which is why the Geekfarm makes ripperstrips and spikers, cause you can't plant anything on a dead drive...

Stupid git oughta count hisself lucky the subcompetents at TSA broke the stupid thing, or he'd be goin to jail for sure, no matter what.

So, no sympathy from me about it, none.

-F

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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 7:37 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:


Will the real Underwear Bomber please stand up?

Photo 1 Source and most widely used photo of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab
http://www.smh.com.au/world/britain-admits-jihadist-intelligence-failu
res-20100103-lnf3.html


Photo 2 from a Ghana News Site..detailing the purchase of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's plane ticket in Ghana
http://ghanabusinessnews.com/2009/12/28/failed-nigerian-bomber-bought-
air-ticket-from-ghana
/

These are definitely two different human beings.

Is there a more sinister meaning to this story? Was the young man in Photo 1 a baby-faced patsy coerced into being the fall guy?

http://tnsonsofliberty.vox.com/library/post/will-the-real-underwear-bo
mber-please-stand-up.html



Fruit Of The Boom Underwear Bomber's mommy is in Yemen, daddy is the richest bankster in Africa, gave their son to CIA to justify IMF foreclosure invasion of bankrupt Yemen.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/12/30/billions-in-recent-yememi-i
nvestments-and-the-underwear-bombers-daddy-its-a-small-world-aint-it
/

Attempt to blow up Detroit bound plane a false flag
http://www.paltelegraph.com/columnists/peter-eyre/3457-was-the-attempt
-to-blow-up-detroit-bound-plane-a-false-flag


Quote:

9/11 Coverup Commission chairman says would-be plane bomber ‘did us a favor’

The Republican chairman of the Bush Administration's 9/11 Commission declared Sunday that the would-be-terrorist who tried to blow up a plane en route to Detroit "probably did us a favor."

The GOP chairman's quote raised eyebrows; by his logic, the Sept. 11, 2001 attackers may also have "done us a favor" by drawing US attention to extremism in Afghanistan.

Thomas Kean, a former governor of New Jersey, made the remarks on CNN's State of the Union Sunday talk show.

The onetime governor said Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab, the 23-year-old Nigerian who failed to detonate an incendiary device on a passenger plane, “probably did us a favor.”

“We had an administration which was not focused, as it should be, on terrorism and that’s understandable,” Kean told CNN. “They were focused on health care and global warming and the economy. That’s very understandable.

http://rawstory.com/2009//01/911-commission-chairman-wouldbe-plane-bom
ber-did-favor
/



Fruit Of The Boom Underwear Bomber passed through naked xray scanner without detecting 32-oz bomb
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/are-planned-airport-sca
nners-just-a-scam-1856175.html



Invasion of the body scanners: Fat greasy perverts sat alone in back rooms get ready to enjoy your naked children. Airports Set To Become Primary Peddlers Of Child Porn.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/airports-set-to-become-primary-peddlers-of
-child-porn.html


Teen 'sexting' craze leading to child porn arrests of kids in USA
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article55165
11.ece


13-yr-old Girls Facing Porn Charge for Sexting Cellphone Photos in Underwear Sue Pervert D.A. Under Ku Klux Klan Act
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/27/earlyshow/main4896577.shtml


Israeli director of US Dept of Fatherland Security owns company that sells naked body Xray scanners to TSA airport checkpoints
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/01/02/group
_slams_chertoff_on_scanner_promotion
/

Pornography, sex slaves, prostitution... Why are these businesses dominated by Jews?
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/the_pornography_business.html
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-pornography-archive.html

Jewish researchers say jewish porn industry designed to overthrow Christianity
http://www.davidduke.com/general/jewish-extremist-anti-gentile-hatred-
present-in-porn-industry_400.html



John McLaughlin: "Freedom is the Most Overrated” Political Issue of 2009
http://www.infowars.com/john-mclaughlin-freedom-is-most-overrated-poli
tical-issue-of-2009
/



Taser bracelets required for all airline passengers, all passengers on airliners to be shocked at same time:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/aviation-security/2008/Jul/01/w
ant-some-torture-with-your-peanuts
/




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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 9:23 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Fruit Of The Boom


Classic, that one I'll give ya.

One could make a buck off that, were they so inclined, you could even say the idea is.. dynamite.



-F

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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 2:25 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I can't believe everyone missed the most obvious one of all...




It's...

CAPTAIN UNDERPANTS!

And really, what could be more insulting to a radical Muslim than being portrayed in such a "vulgar" fashion? Unless, of course, you happen to have some BACON underpants lying around. ;)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:04 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Delta Northwest gives bombing passengers $250 Rebate
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/01/10/the-weird-factor/


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Friday, January 29, 2010 7:58 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


US Govt put the "suicide bomber" on Flight 253...

When he sues, I hope he introduces Operation Northwoods as evidence.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

Quote:

THE TRUTH ABOUT FLIGHT 253 HAS BEEN REVEALED

By Kurt Haskell, attorney at law
January 29, 2009

***Please note that in the article that follows, I am not claiming that the U.S. Government knew Mutallab had a bomb or intended to hurt anyone on Flight 253 when the U.S. Government let him board.

THE SHARP DRESSED MAN WHO AIDED MUTALLAB ONTO FLIGHT 253 WAS A U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENT.

Since our flight landed on Christmas Day, Lori and I have been doing everything in our power to uncover the truth about why we were almost blown up in the air over Detroit. The truth is now finally out after the publication of the following Detroit News article:

http://detnews.com/article/20100127/NATION/1270405/Terror-suspect-kept
-visa-to-avoid-tipping-off-larger-investigation


Let me quote from the article:

Quote:

"Patrick F. Kennedy, an undersecretary for management at the State Department, said Abdulmutallab's visa wasn't taken away because intelligence officials asked his agency not to deny a visa to the suspected terrorist over concerns that a denial would've foiled a larger investigation into al-Qaida threats against the United States.

"Revocation action would've disclosed what they were doing," Kennedy said in testimony before the House Committee on Homeland Security. Allowing Adbulmutallab to keep the visa increased chances federal investigators would be able to get closer to apprehending the terror network he is accused of working with, "rather than simply knocking out one solider in that effort."'


Now it all becomes apparent. Let me detail everything we know about the "Sharp Dressed Man" (SDM).

1. While being held in Customs on Christmas Day, I first told the story of the SDM.

2. My story has never changed.

3. The FBI visited my office on December 29, 2009, and showed me a series of approximately 10 photographs. None were of the SDM. I asked the FBI if they brought the Amsterdam security video to help me identify the SDM, but they acted as though my request was ridiculous. The FBI asked me what accent the SDM spoke in and I indicated that he had an American accent similar to my own. I further indicated that he wore a tan suit without a tie, was Indian looking, around age 50, 6'0" tall and 250-260 lbs. I further indicated that I did not believe that he was an airline employee and that he was not on our flight.

4. During the first week of January, 2010, Dutch Military Police and the FBI indicated that over "200 Hours" of Amsterdam airport security video had been reviewed and it "Shows Nothing".

5. The mainstream media picked up the "Shows nothing" story, which slanders my story. After visiting my office twice for a flight 253 special, Dateline NBC and Chris Hanson indicated that my story was "Unsubstantiated rumor dispelled as myth" and our story did not air during the tv special.

6. On January 2, 2010, I receive a call from a flight 253 passenger who indicated to me that it may be in my best interest to stop talking publicly about the SDM because he believes I am "wrong" in what I saw. He did not make any claim that he saw the SDM boarding gate incident at all. This call was made out of the blue after he made a "revelation" of this event on January 1, 2010. I later discover that this caller has ties to the U.S. Government.

7. On January 20, 2009, current Director of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), Michael E. Leiter, made a startling admission. Leiter indicated that: "I will tell you, that when people come to the country and they are on the watch list, it is because we have generally made the choice that we want them here in the country for some reason or another."

8. On January 22, 2010, CongressDaily reported that intelligence officials "have acknowledged the government knowingly allows foreigners whose names are on terrorist watch lists to enter the country in order to track their movement and activities."

CongressDaily also reported, citing an unnamed "intelligence official" that Michael E. Leiter's statement on January 20, 2010, reflected government policy and told the publication, "in certain situations it's to our advantage to be able to track individuals who might be on a terrorist watch list because you can learn something from their activities and their contacts."

9. On Janury 22, 2009, ABC News published an article that shoed a change of position in the government's official story. Please see the following blog post for more information:

http://haskellfamily.blogspot.com/2010/01/initially-discounted.html

The U.S. government provided no explanation for the reason my story was initially discounted.

10. The SDM could not be from Al Qaeda. When speaking at the counter in Amsterdam, the SDM said the following "He is from Sudan, we do this all the time". Who is "we"? If it is Al Qaeda, you surely don't make such a statement to an airposrt security official.

11. The SDM could not be from airport security. The SDM did not dress in any secuirty uniform and did not appear to have any security badge. The SDM did not speak with a Dutch accent. The SDM dressed in a suit coat and pants. If the SDM was a higher up security official, he would not have to convince the ticket agent to let Mutallab on the plane without a valid passport. Instead, he would just order her to do it.

12. Could the SDM have been a U.S. Government official? He dressed in a suit and not a security uniform. Check. He indicated we do this all the time. Could "we" be the U.S. Government? Check. He spoke Enlish with an American accent. Check. Would he need to convice the ticket agent that this was a normal procedure to allow boarding without a passport? Check. Would he have the ability to obtain such clearance? Check. Could he enter this security area even though he wasn't a passenger? Check. Would the ticket agent likely refer this request to a manager? Check. Would the U.S. Government not want this information public and try to hide it? Check.

13. The Amsterdam security video has not been released. A much more minor airport security violation occurred at the Newark New Jersay airport several days after the flight 253 incident. That video was released shortly thereafter.

14. Senators Levin and Stabenow, as well as Congressman Dingle, all refuse to discuss the matter with me.

With the information we already knew and the admission from the above referenced Detroit News article, we have evidence and claims made by government officials that the U.S. Government wanted Mutallab to proceed into the U.S. in order to obtain information on other terrorists involved with him. Once we take this statement and add it to my eyewitness account of a "Sharp Dressed Man" escorting Mutallab through the boarding process and allowing him to baord without a valid passport we can make the connection that the "Sharp Dressed Man" was a U.S. Government offical/agent.

The reasoning behind the following events now becomes very clear:

1. The reason Mutallab got through security despite the numerous warnings for months before our flight.
2. The reason why there have been so many lies from the U.S. Governemnt attempting to discredit my eyewitness account.
3. The reason why the Amsterdam airport security video is being hidden from the public.
4. The reason why the government is proposing a "Failed to Connect the Dots" account of the failure. The truth is too damning.
5. The reason why Mr. Wolf of the Obama administration indicated on the Keith Olberman Show that the White House was investigating a possible "intentional act" from within the U.S. Government as the reason for the Christmas Day attack.
6. The explanation for the cameraman and why he hasn't been identified (Obviously, he was another U.S. Government agent) whose job was to film Mutallab for some governmental purpose.
7. The reason for the lax security after landing, which can be attributed to foreknowledge of the possible suspects involved.
8. The reason for the failure to search or secure the plane and passengers after landing, which can also be attributed to foreknowledge of the possible suspects involved.
9. The corporate media's attempt to bury my eyewitness account.
10. Carl Levin's, Debbie Stabenow's and John Dingle's intentional avoidance of my story and failure to return my calls/emails.
11. Janet Naploitano's statement that "The System Worked". From her point of view it probably did as this WAS PART OF THE SYSTEM!

This article is the big center piece of the puzzle that has been missing and was needed to finish the entire puzzle.

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Oh they were just probably running a drill. Again. Just like the British were doing on 7-7 Londing Bombing Day. Or Multiple drills during 911. As for a lawsuit against the Government, I'm reminded of Manuel Noriega. He tried to introduce a small u-haul truck full of Docs for his defense. Receipts from the Poppy's Bush's CIA and other stuff.Not one Doc was allowed on grounds of Natl. Sec. I always wondered what happened to those Docs? Peace.

Your revelations have finally proven that what many people have suspected for a long time is true; namely, national security has become a shield for activities that are blatantly criminal.

You have to sue. It is your duty as a Free American to expose this tyranny. Think about how they have used this as an excuse to implement body scanners and new plane rules. But more importantly...they were complicit in a terrorist act by allowing a known terrorist, with a bomb, to board a plane. Now tell me who the real terrorists are. Do the right thing and sue their sorry butts! This is class action stuff. The US Government almost killed you and your wife and the rest of the passengers and crew.

Why didnt you take a picture or a movie with your cel phone of the SDM while you were at the gate, so that you had his identity and indisputable proof of some sort of psy-op, drill or genuine terror plot ??? The Amsterdam airport security video will never turn up, its been buried on the moon.

Government lies are such an insult to our intelligence because middle level government officials tend not to be very bright and, even more important, are utterly devoid of curiosity. They are chosen as middle level government officials precisely because they are able to believe what they are told to believe without asking questions. Perfectly ridiculous government cover-ups sound so plausible to them that they are actually offended when we refuse to believe. Perhaps government cover-ups should be test marketed on focus groups of cynical intellectuals before being released to the general public.

I feel sorry for you both, Lori and Kurt, because not only did you both almost die but this nightmare keeps going on and on. I am wondering if the guy that got taken away in hand cuffs after you landed could be the one that was video taping on the plane. You see that on tv shows all the time where they have the cops "arrest" them to get them away from the scene.

What is clear to me is that the SDM was definitely a US agent. Whether he was a US agent posed as undercover Al Queda to help Mutallab in order to monitor him, I'm not sure. What is not clear to me is the extent of what the "real" plan was. Was Mutallab's "bomb" designed not to explode but just to set fire? This would make sense if the "videotaping" man was also a US official there to film the event from an intelligence perspective. If the "bomb" was real and was intended to go off, perhaps the US agent was not aware that he had a bomb. I find this hard to believe though in light of the fact that he was aided through the airport. It seems to me that this was a phony staged terror attack that was purposely foiled in order to pursue a further agenda. No matter what though, it is clear that Mutallab was ALLOWED and AIDED onto the plane for one reason or another by US officials.

My friend studied at Imperial College, London at the same time as Umar Mutallab. He said he was the nicest guy you could ever meet. He was head of the Islamic Society. He gave many speeches against terrorism and even ran a conference about it. He was persomally sickened by the terrorism that went on 'in the name of Islam'. Then, all of a sudden he just vanished. He literally disappeared of the face of the earth. Nobody knew where he was or heard anything from him, until... ...the incident on Flight 253 on Christmas Day 2009. People who saw pictures of him on tv said his face looked blank and withdrawn. What happened to him during his disappearance is a mystery. Brain washing by the CIA? Mind control? All these things come to mind.

Most of the terrorism done in the world are carried out by Jewish terrorists and Israeli Military intelligence people. 9-11, 77,3-11, et al. 95% of ALL terrorist attacks attributed to Muslims today, especially those in the west are carried out by JEWISH and ISRAELI terrorists. So now it makes sense as to why an innocent Muslim dude would be framed. In addition, Mutalleb pleaded INNOCENT at court. The probablity is that he was set up to possibly try and "test" the explosives by the Israelis and Indians. Israeli intelligence, ICTS runs security at the Dutch airport. So much for staging terrorist attacks. I would never trust any Jews to conduct security operations in my country. The Jewish terrorists will blow it up and then blame the Muslims!!! This is a war staged by the Jews and co-opted by certain Christians against Muslims and Islam. War is Deception. When foreign troops enter the USA and vaporize Jewish neighbourhoods for what is being done (genocide and mass murder) to the Muslims worldwide, then these bastards will learn. Mutually Assured Genocide (MAG) and Mutually Assured Mass Murder (MAMM) is what is needed to be done against the Jewish Community, the crypto-Jews, the Judeo-Christians, and shabbos goyim that are waging war against Islam. When foreign troops enter the USA, the Jewish population will be exterminated for good!!!



http://haskellfamily.blogspot.com/2010/01/truth-about-flight-253-has-b
een.html



Flight 253 Terror Suspect Pleads Not Guilty (because he's a govt agent participating in a "drill" with immunity under National Security)
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/flight-253-terror-suspect-pleads-
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Authorities seek deal with Detroit suspect on cooperation, guilty plea

During his arraignment on Friday that lasted less than five minutes, Abdulmutallab stood at the podium along with Assistant U.S. Attorney Jonathan Tukel and defense attorney Miriam Siefer and answered a few questions in English from the judge.

The longest answer came when the judge asked if he had taken any drugs or alcohol in past 24 hours. Abdulmutallab answered: "some pain pills." Siefer then said he was competent to understand the proceedings.

President Barack Obama's counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, has said Abdulmutallab would be offered a plea deal in exchange for valuable information about his contacts in Yemen and elsewhere.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/28/AR20100128041
35.html



His jew lawyer is covering up the fact he's a govt agent or MKULTRA slave will be censored from public court transcript. Keeping him doped up shuts him up.

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Abdulmutallab’s [jew] Lawyer is Public Defender Who Forged Documents in Detroit Terror Cell Trial

By jew Debbie "I Hate All Arabs" Schlussel

You’d think that with an extremely wealthy family and a father who was the Chairman of the First Bank of Nigeria, Northwest Airlines Flight 253 Islamic terrorist Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab would have the best defense lawyer money can buy . . . and that he or his family would be paying for it.

But you’d be wrong. In fact, YOU–the American taxpayer–are paying for his defense. And his federal public defender, Miriam Siefer, has a record of sleaze and unethical behavior . . . some of it illegal.

Now, meet Umar Abdulmutallab’s lawyer, Miriam Siefer, whose salary you are paying.

If the name sounds familiar, that’s because you’ve read about Siefer on this site, before. During the Detroit terror cell case, she represented Karim Koubriti, an Islamic terrorist in a cell, which plotted to blow up the U.S. Air Force Base in Turkey, where U.S. AWACS and Israeli F-16s are based and from where they took off. They also plotted to blow up hotels and casinos in Las Vegas and planned to detonate in Disneyland.

During the course of her “representation” of terrorist Koubriti, Siefer and her fellow public defender, Richard Helfrick a/k/a Rick Helfrick (who will probably also assist her in representing Abdulmutallab), stole the stationery of the then-Chief Judge of the Federal Court for the Eastern District of Michigan, Lawrence Zatkoff, forged Zatkoff’s name, and sent it to another attorney in the case, accusing him of faking invoices (which wasn’t true). That makes at least several federal crimes that I can think of–theft, forgery, impersonating a federal official, mail fraud, etc. but they got away with it.

In an interview, Judge Gerald Rosen, who presided over the Detroit terror cell case, admitted to me that Siefer and Helfrick forged the documents. Then, he berated me for daring to ask about it, saying his court “deals in serious issues.” I guess attorneys in a federal case committing several crimes and impersonating a federal judge, just aren’t serious. In any event, Siefer and Helfrick got away with it, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be grieved to the Michigan Attorney Grievance Commission about it, as anyone–including any of you readers–can file a grievance against them.

And don’t put Siefer’s dirty tricks, and illegal and unethical behavior past her in the Abdulmutallab case either. As I reported on this site, while he was under federal indictment and incarcerated, Siefer got permission from unethical [jew] Judge Rosen to get terrorist Koubriti released, so that he could attend a National Lawyers Guild dinner honoring Siefer. Yup, this is the joke of a federal court that will be deciding Mutallab’s fate. And things like this, even a federal jury can’t prevent. Two juries said Koubriti was a terrorist. But now he roams free and is on the fast track to U.S. citizenship, thanks to this forger, Miriam Siefer.

Rather than serving time and getting deported Koubriti will not only soon get U.S. citizenship, but he lives in the Detroit suburb of Southfield, where he has a commercial driver’s license and drives a truck. Yup, exactly the course of citizenship and career path you want for a terrorist [who is an employee of the US Govt, Fake Arab Terrorist Division].

Yes, it doesn’t matter that two juries said he was a terrorist. Because of forgery by Siefer and outrageous behavior by corrupt Judge Rosen, who is now the Chief Judge for the Eastern District of Michigan where Abdulmutallab’s fate will be decided, they and the Bush Justice Department worked to overturn the verdicts. And Koubriti is free in our midst, about to have all the rights you and I have.

Like I said, don’t put forgery and other similar fraud in this case past her. And don’t put it past the corrupt, incompetent U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Michigan–which helped Koubriti in his quest to stay here and roam free–either. As I noted on Saturday Night, the two Assistant U.S. Attorneys representing the U.S. in this are [jew] Jonathon Tukel–who outed a Muslim confidential informant’s identity in order to take revenge on a fellow U.S. Attorney of whom he was jealous, and likely caused the informant’s murder–and Eric M. Straus, who had a dartboard in his office, bearing the face of the Detroit FBI’s top counterterrorism intelligence official, Paul George.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/14360/abdulmutallabs-public-defender-is
-dirty-trickster-who-forged-documents
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Note that lawyer Haskell reports ZERO security after landing, after surviving the "suicide bombers".

Compare with this pro photographer this week, who was searched AFTER landing, without any additional flights...

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Random Update - Jan. 24th, 2010

So yeah, air travel in this country is re-DONK-ulous. There wasn't much waiting to get ON the plane, other than they screened us entirely to early for boarding from St. Lucia back to Atlanta, and made us stand by the door for nearly an hour. No the kicker was getting security screened when we got BACK onto our home turf, after we got off the plane to get back to our car and drive home. Full screen, re-check the bags, shoes off, empty pockets, open carry-on bags, etc. It took us two hours from the time we landed in ATL to get to our car in the parking garage. Congrats terrorists, you won.

Dave D. said...

Did you have to go back through a secure area to get to your car? I can't figure out why they would screen you after you go off the plane... kinda sounds like shutting the barn door after the cows got out.

Darryl Cannon aka "killboy" said...

Yes, that's exactly what we had to do...I guess the country we were coming from didn't search us to the TSA's high standards. Needless to say we were flabbergasted...it was a traveshamockery.

http://killboy.blogspot.com/2010/01/updating-site.html


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John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


“I am Osama, the ghost of Tora Bora. I had a moron carry a defective bomb onto a plane full of Islamic families returning to Detroit, the most Muslim city in the west, as part of a terror campaign. I chose a flight that connected from the Middle East so I could kill as many of the innocent faithful as possible. Please excuse this and the dozen or other mistakes made but being dead has left me less sharp than I once was. No, I do not work for the Mossad, they simply tape and distribute my interviews. This is part of an agreement with my talent agent who is Jewish. All talent agents are Jewish, ask anyone in Hollywood. What do you expect, miracles? 10% of nothing is nothing. For my faithful followers, I expect to be a regular on Californication next season on Showtime. I’ll be the guy with the beard who seems dead. Please give more money to Israel, vote to extend the Patriot Act and buy new airport scanners from the companies listed on my weekly newsletter distributed by Israeli SITE Intelligence. Watch for more insane threats coming in the future and have a nice weekend. Remember to stop eating pork.”

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Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Damn, what a waste of time! Just wore my poor finger out scrolling past PN's bullshit only to find it's an older post to which PN added MORE lengthy bullshit. Poor little scrolling finger...

Sometimes briefly (VERY briefly) note and ponder that PN must have no life at all--just posting all his endless propaganda HERE would take up most of an average person's life, and I've been told he does other propaganda stuff elsewhere too? Soooo sad...



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