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The death of America and the collective west

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Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It's over - we're officially, royally fucked.
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No empire can survive being rendered a permanent laughingstock, which is what happened as of a few weeks ago, when the buffoons who have been running things in this country finally went one step too far. It happened when Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was forced to admit that he was once again going to have to stuff billions of taxpayer dollars into a dying insurance giant called AIG, itself a profound symbol of our national decline - a corporation that got rich insuring the concrete and steel of American industry in the country's heyday, only to destroy itself chasing phantom fortunes at the Wall Street card tables, like a dissolute nobleman gambling away the family estate in the waning days of the British Empire.

The latest bailout came as AIG admitted to having just posted the largest quarterly loss in American corporate history - some $61.7 billion. In the final three months of last year, the company lost more than $27 million every hour. That's $465,000 a minute, a yearly income for a median American household every six seconds, roughly $7,750 a second. And all this happened at the end of eight straight years that America devoted to frantically chasing the shadow of a terrorist threat to no avail, eight years spent stopping every citizen at every airport to search every purse, bag, crotch and briefcase for juice boxes and explosive tubes of toothpaste. Yet in the end, our government had no mechanism for searching the balance sheets of companies that held life-or-death power over our society and was unable to spot holes in the national economy the size of Libya (whose entire GDP last year was smaller than AIG's 2008 losses).

So it's time to admit it: We're fools, protagonists in a kind of gruesome comedy about the marriage of greed and stupidity. And the worst part about it is that we're still in denial - we still think this is some kind of unfortunate accident, not something that was created by the group of psychopaths on Wall Street whom we allowed to gang-rape the American Dream. When Geithner announced the new $30 billion bailout, the party line was that poor AIG was just a victim of a lot of shitty luck - bad year for business, you know, what with the financial crisis and all. Edward Liddy, the company's CEO, actually compared it to catching a cold: "The marketplace is a pretty crummy place to be right now," he said. "When the world catches pneumonia, we get it too." In a pathetic attempt at name-dropping, he even whined that AIG was being "consumed by the same issues that are driving house prices down and 401K statements down and Warren Buffet's investment portfolio down."

Liddy made AIG sound like an orphan begging in a soup line, hungry and sick from being left out in someone else's financial weather. He conveniently forgot to mention that AIG had spent more than a decade systematically scheming to evade U.S. and international regulators, or that one of the causes of its "pneumonia" was making colossal, world-sinking $500 billion bets with money it didn't have, in a toxic and completely unregulated derivatives market.

Nor did anyone mention that when AIG finally got up from its seat at the Wall Street casino, broke and busted in the afterdawn light, it owed money all over town - and that a huge chunk of your taxpayer dollars in this particular bailout scam will be going to pay off the other high rollers at its table. Or that this was a casino unique among all casinos, one where middle-class taxpayers cover the bets of billionaires.

People are pissed off about this financial crisis, and about this bailout, but they're not pissed off enough. The reality is that the worldwide economic meltdown and the bailout that followed were together a kind of revolution, a coup d'état. They cemented and formalized a political trend that has been snowballing for decades: the gradual takeover of the government by a small class of connected insiders, who used money to control elections, buy influence and systematically weaken financial regulations


www.alternet.org/workplace/132859/the_big_takeover%3A_how_wall_street_
insiders_are_using_the_bailout_to_stage_a_revolution
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You should read this (especially YOU rapo.) It explains how one guy in AIG brought down the industry.


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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

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Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


One guy took out AIG. (And no, it wasn't Barney Frank or Dodd! :))

The article explains how collateralized default obligations (CDOs) and credit default swaps (CDSs) came about, how they were deemed to be "off books"- beyond oversight and regulation - and how money flowed to these UNREGULATED risky products, tainting insurance companies, investment banks, and everyone who touched them.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:27 AM

CHRISISALL


Our very own personal Blofeld.



The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:38 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Our very own personal Blofeld.



The laughing Chrisisall



"Not at all, Treasury Bonds... I expect you to DIE!"


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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by SignyM:
One guy took out AIG. (And no, it wasn't Barney Frank or Dodd! :))

The article explains how collateralized default obligations (CDOs) and credit default swaps (CDSs) came about, how they were deemed to be "off books"- beyond oversight and regulation - and how money flowed to these UNREGULATED risky products, tainting insurance companies, investment banks, and everyone who touched them.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.



Oh, I'm sure Barney Frank had to have been behind it somehow. After all, he single-handedly crashed the sub-prime market, invaded Iraq, killed JFK, bombed Pearl Harbor, shot Lincoln, and was the REAL Benedict Arnold in the Revolutionary War! Barney Frank IS Emmanuel Goldstein, just as he always has been.

Funny you don't remember it that way. You might need re-educating.



Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...



The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:20 PM

SERGEANTX


Wow... everyone should read this. Good article. Depressing, and long, but well worth the read.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:01 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


WHO'S the man ?!



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Sunday, May 8, 2022 4:26 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

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Monday, September 4, 2023 5:41 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Credit Suisse and the hunt for the weakest link in global finance

https://www.aol.com/finance/credit-suisse-hunt-weakest-global-13201031
0.html



The Decline of American 'Civilization'

https://townhall.com/columnists/marklewis/2023/09/03/column-n2627895

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Monday, September 4, 2023 6:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I'm glad this popped up.

America is being raped to death.

Bill Clinton started the financialist free-for-all. It took eight years to reach crisis levels, but the crisis finally erupted right at the end of GWB's reign. (That BTW wa China's big wake-up call. They had hitched their development plans to the American marke, but were startled to find we didn't know what we were doing any morethan they did.)

Meanwhile, while exacerbating one underlying crisis (by nullifying State Attorneys General attempt to prosecute fradulent mortgages, claiming it was a 'Federal matter') , GWV started a whole 'nother series, a geopolitical one: the interminable Global War on of Terror. That's when we blew a giant hole in our budget waging war on Afghanistan (because...?) and Iraq (because...?), sending pallets of money to Iraq for 'rebuilding' and pretty much shredded things like the Geneva Convention and the Constitution (so-called Patriot Act, conveniently drafted BEFORE 9-11)

When the financial crisis blew up, GWB escaped responsiblity and it landed in Obama's lap. Then, instead of addressing fraudlent mortgages and specific bank weaknesses, or making the underlying mortgages whole (which would have saved the entire chain of mortgage-backed derivatives, credit default swaps, and the insurances that depended on them) Obama dug into Americans' wallets instead, and showered every financial institution, derivative and insurance with money. And while papering over the financial crisis (literally) with dollars, Obama continued to wage war on the world, "leading from behind" and working covertly to destroy Libya and regime-change Syria and Ukraine, setting our Reaper drones on Yemen while contiuing to occupy Iraq and grow poppies in Afghanistan.

Trump. thankfully, there was a slight lull in all of our warmaking, altho he did manage to assasinate Soleimani and withdraw from the Iran deal. But the FDA and government entities, insitutions and employers large and small took the Covid crisis as an opportunity to run roughshod over pretty much everyone, mmandating lockdowns far beyond any possible effectiveness and forcing 'the jab' on everyone. Notwitstanding, BLM was allowed to run amok.

Biden*. My, oh my. In what has got to be the ultimate clusterfuck, by waging war on Russia, stealing Russia's foreign assets, cutting it off from SWIFT, sanctioning everything that Russia trades and threatening secondary sanctions on everyone else, stuffing its Ukrainian proxy with weapons, blowing up an ally's pipeline, and threatening China with Taiwan, Biden* not only cemented the Russia-China alliance, he managed to make the USD currency and financial system look dangerously weaponized. That opened the door to multipolarity and non-USD trade.

It's hard to imagine a worse series of decision. At every opportunity, when decision-makers had a chancee to do something sensible and realistic, they chose a course of action that threw money at the corrupt rich and pursued unachievable goals with negative consequences.

How could things possible get worse?


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM



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Monday, September 4, 2023 1:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


HOW COULD THINGS GET WORSE?

Well, aside from nuclear war, I suppose there's plenty of room for other disasterous decisions.

Getting rid of any credible opposition candidates and emplacing a brain-dead Kamala Harris or an even more brain-dead Biden* into the Presidency. Rebellion or massive non- conformance and social and political collapse

Openly inserting NATO into Ukraine and canceling elections bc of a 'state of war'.
Declaring war on China and canceling elections bc of a 'state of war'
Rebellion or massive non-conformance. A military coup by junior officers?

Sanctioning everything from China, or attempting secondary sanctions on Russia and forcing everyone outside of the 'collective west' off the dollar, leading to the dollar's international collapse. Hyperinflation and social and political collapse.

Not that these will happen, but considering our leaders' disastrous decisions at every step since at least 1990, I can't rule it out.


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM



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Monday, October 30, 2023 7:24 PM

THG


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Originally posted by SignyM:

One guy took out AIG. (And no, it wasn't Barney Frank or Dodd! :))

The article explains how collateralized default obligations (CDOs) and credit default swaps (CDSs) came about, how they were deemed to be "off books"- beyond oversight and regulation - and how money flowed to these UNREGULATED risky products, tainting insurance companies, investment banks, and everyone who touched them.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.





Boy you're a brainless twit.

T




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Monday, March 3, 2025 7:19 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


MAGA lawmakers have different ideas about where Trump should put 'DOGE dividend' money

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14418643/trump-republicans-do
ge-dividends-savings-taxpayers-congress.html

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Monday, March 3, 2025 7:35 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Trump isn’t ‘un-American’, he’s just transparent
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-isn-t-un-american-080207603.html

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Tuesday, March 4, 2025 5:04 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


its still standing, the show must go on

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Tuesday, March 4, 2025 5:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
its still standing, the show must go on



If you listened to the Media, Twitter was supposed to have fallen years ago when Elon removed 80% of the staff and overhead.


I think the Media is full of shit about literally everything.



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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

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Tuesday, March 4, 2025 6:34 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
its still standing, the show must go on



If you listened to the Media, Twitter was supposed to have fallen years ago when Elon removed 80% of the staff and overhead.


I think the Media is full of shit about literally everything.

The media said Musk doesn't know how to run twitter as a business. The numbers since Musk took control say the same:

Twitter revenue 2012 to 2024 ($bn)
Year Revenue ($bn)
2012 0.3
2013 0.6
2014 1.4
2015 2.2
2016 2.5
2017 2.4
2018 3
2019 3.4
2020 3.7
2021 5
2022 4.4
2023 2.9
2024 2.5
https://www.businessofapps.com/data/twitter-statistics/

Twitter net profit / loss 2012 to 2021 ($mm)
Year Net profit / loss ($mm)
2012 -79
2013 -645
2014 -577
2015 -521
2016 -456
2017 -108
2018 1206
2019 1466
2020 -1136
2021 -221
2022 Musk takes over. Profits Unknown.

On April 25, 2022, Twitter agreed to a $44 billion buyout by Elon Musk. Its value in 2025 was estimated to be around $9 billion. The platform's ad revenue has declined significantly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter,_Inc.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, March 4, 2025 7:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I don't recognize "businessofapps.com", nor do I recognize leftys writing wikipedia articles out of their mom's basement.

Anybody with 2 firing neurons who is interested in knowing the truth and isn't just desperately trying to dig up whatever remains of confirmation bias they can still find in 2025 shares this opinion.


All I'm hearing out of you and Ted about Elon right now is how stupid he is and how he's going to go bankrupt, whether it's because of how he runs Twitter, or because he decided to stand politically against the only people who were ever interested in buying his cars.

Meanwhile, I've never seen the dude out in public without a big smile on his face, and Twitter has more users than it ever did.

I'm guessing, as is per usual in your case, that somebody knows something you don't know.



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Tuesday, March 4, 2025 8:04 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I don't recognize "businessofapps.com", nor do I recognize leftys writing wikipedia articles out of their mom's basement.

Anybody with 2 firing neurons who is interested in knowing the truth and isn't just desperately trying to dig up whatever remains of confirmation bias they can still find in 2025 shares this opinion.


All I'm hearing out of you and Ted about Elon right now is how stupid he is and how he's going to go bankrupt, whether it's because of how he runs Twitter, or because he decided to stand politically against the only people who were ever interested in buying his cars.

Meanwhile, I've never seen the dude out in public without a big smile on his face, and Twitter has more users than it ever did.

I'm guessing, as is per usual in your case, that somebody knows something you don't know.

6ix, if you have numbers for twitter's profitability that are different, what are they?

Elon Musk Has Used Illegal Drugs, Worrying Leaders at Tesla and SpaceX
Some executives and board members fear the billionaire’s use of drugs—including LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, mushrooms and ketamine — could harm his companies

Jan. 6, 2024 9:00 pm ET

https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1

Elon Musk and his supporters offer several explanations for his contrarian views, unfiltered speech and provocative antics. They’re an expression of his creativity. Or the result of his mental-health challenges. Or fallout from his stress, or sleep deprivation. (Or he is fucked up in the head.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, March 4, 2025 8:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I don't recognize "businessofapps.com", nor do I recognize leftys writing wikipedia articles out of their mom's basement.

Anybody with 2 firing neurons who is interested in knowing the truth and isn't just desperately trying to dig up whatever remains of confirmation bias they can still find in 2025 shares this opinion.


All I'm hearing out of you and Ted about Elon right now is how stupid he is and how he's going to go bankrupt, whether it's because of how he runs Twitter, or because he decided to stand politically against the only people who were ever interested in buying his cars.

Meanwhile, I've never seen the dude out in public without a big smile on his face, and Twitter has more users than it ever did.

I'm guessing, as is per usual in your case, that somebody knows something you don't know.

6ix, if you have numbers for twitter's profitability that are different, what are they?



I don't have to provide you with shit.

The media has confirmed to the public, over and over and over again that their job is to lie to us.

My only point here is I keep hearing from your articles about how stupid Elon is and that he's going bankrupt and yet he's always got a smile on his face.

You gooners couldn't stop talking about how "stunning and brave" everybody you liked were for the better part of a decade. Meanwhile, you forgot what stunning bravery really looked like.

Elon bought twitter knowing that, at least for the short term, he was going to lose billions by making the purchase.

Elon decided to take a political stance against the only people who were interested in buying his EVs knowing full well that the Loud Online Left as well as the Legacy Media would turn on him and his company.


Meanwhile, you two dopes are cheerleading on his alleged failures because the Legacy Media tells you how to act and you obey. When you're not cheering on the failure of somebody who risked the billions they acquired to stand by their convictions, you're giving blowjobs to Liz Cheney and her father.

You're totally fucked dude. Your moral compass is broke beyond repair.

You can't win an a single argument because you have no core values and you do whatever your told to do on any given day with zero regard for what you did and thought the previous day.

6 months ago you lived in a world where that was okay.

That shit doesn't fly anymore in 2025.

We're living in a new age of accountability and receipts.


You keep behaving the way you did six months ago now that the old world is gone, you're not going to like the outcome.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2025 7:12 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


don't worry they say as long as Wall St doesnt crash



India defends BRICS role, steers clear of anti-dollar moves amid Trump’s tariff threat


https://www.cnbctv18.com/economy/india-defends-brics-role-steers-clear
-of-anti-dollar-moves-amid-trump-tariff-threat-19577636.htm

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Friday, April 4, 2025 10:24 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

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Saturday, May 10, 2025 6:33 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


smaller wars, the political times CCCP, the USA vs the USSR

and on the subject of Syria in threads




Proxy Wars, Explained


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