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RE: Reagan the Hero- Iran/Contra; defend it if you can, NeoCon appologist morons!

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:24 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Hey Chris.
Every time I start this thread I get a Windows Dialog box about someplace called voltaire.org, that doesn't have a Certificate of Authenticity.

Whass up wid dat?

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:34 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Hey Chris.
Every time I start this thread I get a Windows Dialog box about someplace called voltaire.org, that doesn't have a Certificate of Authenticity.

Whass up wid dat?


Hey NewOldBrownCoat.
I'm not Chris. But since I got an e-mail saying you replied I'll take a stab at an answer .

One of the pictures that PirateNews inlined in his post comes from voltaire.org. That website, for some reason, is the culprit for the dialogue box. I have to deny the certificate every time I load the thread. Tiresome.

I guess the solution would be to lobby PN to get rid of that particular image hotlink.

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:57 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


thanx for the word, Soup.
Wasn't exactly figurin' it was Chris' fault, I just addressed him because he started the thread and it Seems to happen to me while I'm looking at the first message.
I figured somebody peed in the pool.

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:21 AM

SOUPCATCHER


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
By the by, I totally understand why the right-wingers among us don't last long on these boards. They're called racists, bigots, and morons and shouted down without any real discussion taking place.


I look at it differently.

One of the things I and my friends liked to do in high school was to ask a guy, in the presence of his girlfriend, if he had ever masturbated. Most of the time the guy would say no. At which point the rest of us would call bullshit and pull a statistic out of our ass, "Ninety percent of guys have masturbated at least once in their life and the other ten percent are liars." With this new information, the vast majority of guys would then admit to having masturbated at least once (when all of us knew the frequency was probably much higher). What we were doing, intentionally, was busting a guy's balls in front of his girlfriend. What we were doing, unintentionally, was highlighting the difference between cultural beliefs (that masturbation was a deviant behavior) and reality (that the behavior itself is not deviant - the deviancy comes from when you choose to engage in that behavior - *eta: for example, I think we could all agree that masturbating publically is deviant behavior while I hope we could all agree that masturbating in your own home is not deviant behavior) and shifting people's perceptions.

I see the topic of racism in a similar light. I personally believe that we all have bigoted thoughts. How could we not, growing up in this country? If we refuse to admit to ourselves that we have the potential to be a bigot then we have to deny those thoughts. And when someone calls us on our bigoted statements we have to see it as an incorrect attack, regardless of the accuracy of the claims. I care very little about personal bigotry. Unless that person is in a position of authority. At which point the impact of their bigotry can be widespread discrimination. What I do care deeply about is discrimination that is built into the system.

How to shift the frame? I don't know.

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:31 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

I figured somebody peed in the pool.

That was a boggle to me as well.

Haken, where's the chlorine?!?

PN better not float any logs...Chrisisall

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:14 PM

KANEMAN


"We funded those MOTHER***KERS in Nicargua to cut off women's breasts after raping them..."

Are there any videos of this? I could use an update to my collection.........

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:19 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:


Are there any videos of this? I could use an update to my collection.........

^----Hey everyone, look! A real troll!!

Chrisisall

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:33 PM

KANEMAN


Soup-"What I do care deeply about is discrimination that is built into the system."

I would only add that there is a case to be made that the liberals among us created the built in systematic racism that more people of color{as a percentage} have grown accustomed to rely on. I would say it is more of a socio-economic problem than racism though. Live in any city in the US and watch the 40oz. beers being consumed ad nauseam. Then watch motivation, parenting skills, and self respect go bye bye. Then you can listen to blame "Whitey" or "The man" while the blunts get passed.....PUFF PUFF PASS.......PUFF PUFF PASS........

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:43 PM

CAUSAL


Remember what I said about Kaneman's supposed "little brother". Yeah. That.

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:50 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Enough with the axe throwin...

By all means Soup, don't let this derail ya, I am finding it both fascinating and informative.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:55 PM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Enough with the axe throwin...

By all means Soup, don't let this derail ya, I am finding it both fascinating and informative.



Nice high horse you got there, Frem!

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:55 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:


Are there any videos of this? I could use an update to my collection.........

^----Hey everyone, look! A real troll!!

Chrisisall


I agree (re: trolliness). As with many of kaneman's comments there are purposefully inflammatory statements. But there is a nugget in there that I feel needs to be addressed.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
I would only add that there is a case to be made that the liberals among us created the built in systematic racism that more people of color{as a percentage} have grown accustomed to rely on. I would say it is more of a socio-economic problem than racism though. Live in any city in the US and watch the 40oz. beers being consumed ad nauseam. Then watch motivation, parenting skills, and self respect go bye bye. Then you can listen to blame "Whitey" or "The man" while the blunts get passed.....PUFF PUFF PASS.......PUFF PUFF PASS........


I think that you have to increase the control volume to include a wider swath of history. Why did African Americans end up living in the inner cities? Why was it necessary to destroy successful African Americans during the nadir of race relations? Why was there widespread discrimination and the limiting of opportunities? I would suggest a few brief articles to start the ball rolling:
Sundown towns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_Towns
Nadar of race relations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir_of_American_race_relations
Tulsa ethnic cleansing of 1921: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Race_Riot


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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:24 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
By all means Soup, don't let this derail ya, I am finding it both fascinating and informative.


Thanks, Frem.

Admittedly, this is not my field of training but I've always been fascinated by the history of this country. Especially stuff that never made it into the history books that I was taught from in school. And some of the stuff I've learned puts a lot in perspective. I sometimes wondered why we carped on those who were like us but had become successful. By we, I'm referring to minorities. When you look at it through the lens of what happened to successful minorities in the not so distant past (they got burned out and everyone else around them got burned out) it totally makes sense that it would enforce a bunker mentality. Keep your head down. Don't look too successful. You don't want to draw attention to yourself. Don't put on airs. Don't get uppity. So not only is there discrimination coming from the top down, there is resistance from peers.

There is a tendency to point to uber-successful minorities and think that discrimination is a thing of the past, "See. So and so made it. There's no need for affirmative action." When in actuality, these are the superstars. Superstars will rise to the top no matter what. They are not the ones affirmative action helps. Affirmative action helps those who aren't superstars. By trying to get rid of affirmative action, one of the messages being sent is, "The only people like you who are allowed to be successful are those who are head and shoulders above everyone."

And with that, I might have derailed myself by going totally off onto a tangent .

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:25 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Admittedly, this is not my field of training but I've always been fascinated by the history of this country. Especially stuff that never made it into the history books that I was taught from in school. And some of the stuff I've learned puts a lot in perspective.

As someone once told me, history is knowing what happened so it don't happen again...

I got into the study of actual versus taught history when my mother, back in the pre-computer days, sprang for a used set of encyclopedia britannica to feed her sons voracious reading appetite - which said son dutifully spent all freakin day carrying home on foot, several at a time.

And then read, cover to cover...

And became frustrated because what the schools history teacher was teaching bore no more than the vaguest passing resemblance to what he was reading...

And one day, it all came to a head - I called the teacher on a rather blatant distortion and we had us a nice row that in retrospect shoulda got me pitched from the class entire, but instead lead to an entire semester of back and forth fireworks with salvos being fired in both directions, and most of the class pitching in themselves.

Many years after it occured to me that the reason he didn't pitch me out the door was that regardless of his opinion of the subject matter he was teaching, what happened is that his students became rather passionate about the subject and dug into it, rather than just memorising the bare minimums to pass the tests.. I don't think anyone left that class without at least a B+ that year, or a good working knowledge of the Federalist/Anti-Federalist debate that lead to the writing of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

In order to argue it effectively, they had to know it, and to know it, lead to study above and beyond the normal course of education, so in his way Mr. Chester pulled a rabbit out of his hat that year, I guess you could say.

Anyhows, back on the topic, the history of racism in this country is quote shameful, but should never, EVER be hidden or glossed over, nor should the perpatuators of it be forgiven in a glossing over of that history, no matter how pure their deeds otherwise.

To do that is to demean any progess we have made since.

One form of racism that's a little less prevalent now with the advent of cellphones, is commonly practiced by employers in less skilled or unskilled jobs - and that is by phone extension.

One job I worked at for a while, had a policy to check every applications phone number, and if it started with THIS or THAT three numbers, into the trash it went, because they didn't want "Those people" working there.

As a very young man who *lived* in *that* neighborhood, once I learned that and started putting in a phone number of a friend who did NOT live there, well, whadda ya know - my applications stopped disappearing into limbo!
(quickly followed by better employment and a speedy exodus from the ghetto)

For all the progress we've made, racism still presents itself, often in ways so subtle most folk never see them.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, March 1, 2007 2:43 AM

KANEMAN


"Why did African Americans end up living in the inner cities?"

My statement was geared towards the "I'm entitled" mindset and the reasons why. I am just saying IMHO that the welfare state is the cause of it. So, I put forth:

Why are African Americans still in the inner cities?
Why are African Immigrants not?


They are both people of color. Difference you ask? One has embraced and then become reliant on entitlement programs, thus become stagnant as a group....the other is smarter. But don't let the truthy glazed nugget ruin your day.

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Thursday, March 1, 2007 2:47 AM

KANEMAN


"Anyhows, back on the topic, the history of racism in this country is quote shameful, but should never, EVER be hidden or glossed over, nor should the perpatuators of it be forgiven in a glossing over of that history, no matter how pure their deeds otherwise."

Senator Byrd? You shiney little hypocrite!

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Thursday, March 1, 2007 3:16 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Nuttin hypocritical about it, I rever Andrew Jackson for his efforts to crush the concept of a national bank and the debt slavery that came with it, but by no means do I forgive nor forget his treatment of Native Americans either.

Not everyone's an angel, but it helps a lot if they make SOME contribution other than racial tension and discord.

And yes, that goes for some noteable politicians of color as well.

For mine own, I've never seen racism of any stripe anything but idiotic, and the kind that you espouse there, dude, is the very worst of all of it.

You try LIVING in the ghetto for a decade or so, and see if you can still spout that crap.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, March 1, 2007 3:47 AM

KANEMAN


"You try LIVING in the ghetto for a decade or so, and see if you can still spout that crap."

My point. Why should it take a decade to get out of the ghetto? Section8 housing? And I started by saying it's more of an economic thing. Soup turned it racial.....I think.


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Friday, March 2, 2007 12:03 AM

SOUPCATCHER


Frem,

I wish I had had a classroom experience like that when I was in grade school. It wasn't until I started taking classes at the local community college that I ran into that type of high stress/high learning environment. My US History teacher was retired military (about the age for Korea) who was about as conservative as they come and his antagonist was a decked-out-in-all-black-all-the-time-young-punk who knew his shit. If the teacher had had his way, we would have all nodded in unison about the wisdom of mutually assured destruction as a foreign policy. But the clashes back and forth really did stimulate the class to start thinking about whether or not it was absurd to push for the George C. Scott theory of engagement (I'm not saying we won't get our hair messed up. But 10-20 million tops).

I hope you thanked your mom .

Your memory of the bigotry of telephone prefixes is all too common. Study after study has shown that opportunity is denied, or compensation is lessened, based on things as simple as how you spell your name. I tend to really get on my horse about race but it's impossible to separate out those inequalities from the other Big 4 inequality categories (class, gender and sexuality).

And it's not even additive. It's not like you can say, "Okay. Well, you're on the short end of the stick historically with respect to race and class so you deal with twice as much shit as someone who's on the short end of the stick with respect to class." It's a qualitatively different experience (albeit with some similarities). But fucked up either way.
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Anyhows, back on the topic, the history of racism in this country is quote shameful, but should never, EVER be hidden or glossed over, nor should the perpatuators of it be forgiven in a glossing over of that history, no matter how pure their deeds otherwise.

To do that is to demean any progess we have made since.


It's hard to convince people, who only think of racism as a historical artifact (lynchings and cross burnings) and who have never been on the short end of racial bigotry, of the reality that millions of Americans experience daily. I often hear, "Why do you have to bring up all that old crap? It's over. Just let it go." But it's not over. And it will never be over as long as the dominant cultural group has that attitude.

I'm off to rambling now and not sure how to put all this together but... I've read sermons that talk about how blacks were subhuman and therefore fell under the, "dominion clause." So it was okay to own them. I've listened to theories that the black race was descended from the son of Noah who was cursed for mocking his father's nakedness (I think it was Ham, but my memory could be faulty). Therefore slavery was justified. We have a long history in this country of justifying the ownership of humans. Freeing the slaves didn't change those attitudes.

In order for people to think of themselves as good and still support slavery they had to rationalize it. Those rationalizations got passed down.

I look at pictures from the twenties and thirties of lynchings. Smiling crowds with children dressed up in their Sunday best. Well those children are still alive. Any bets on whether or not those experiences shaped what they passed on to their children and grandchildren? I watch news reels of angry hateful screaming people protesting school desegregation. Well, those people are still alive. Do you think they passed that hatred along?

That Rodgers and Hammerstein song from South Pacific - "You've got to be carefully taught" - nails the problem perfectly:
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from http://libretto.musicals.ru/text.php?textid=315&language=1
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!


Well. We've had hundreds of years of teaching. No way that goes away in just a few decades. Especially if people think of this as a historical problem and get all bent out of shape that they might, just might, have imbibed some bigotry somewhere along the way.



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Monday, March 5, 2007 5:26 PM

REAVERMAN


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Originally posted by piratenews:

Will Kill For Coke For The Bushes


The Iran-Contra Wiki article censored the fact that the Christic lawsuit used the RICO Act on the Bush Sr White House, and named Bush and his CIA gang as cocaine kingpins and terrorist bombers, and that the lawsuit named Pablo Escobar as Bush's partner and co-defendant. The case was subverted by corrupt federal judges, who banned virtually all discovery in the civil lawsuit, then dismissed the case 2 days before the jury trial, to obstruct justice and perp treason for the Bush Gang. It's also hard to win when witnesses and defendants get murdered. Note that this CIA terror bombings of the La Penca press conference was designed to kill a CIA CONTRA Eden Pastora, not to kill a Communist in the official Sandanista govt. The CIA's bombing ended up killing and injuring journalists from ABC News in USA.

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"'Enterprise' means any individual, sole proprietorship, partnership, corporation, business trust, union chartered under the laws of this state, or other legal entity, or any unchartered union, association or group of individuals associated in fact although not a legal entity, and it includes illicit as well as licit enterprises, AND GOVERNMENTAL, as well as other, entities."
—Tennessee Code 39-12-203, Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations RICO Act





At any rate, it did lead to felony convictions for members of the Bush sr White House, and Bush lost the 1992 "election", after Ross Perot quit because Bush planned to murder his family at his daughter's wedding. But Bill Clinton-Blythe III (Rockefeller) was his coke partner at Bush's CIA airport in Mena Arkansas.

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"The court finds the actions of the government to be most egregious, indeed appalling."
-Judge Patrick Kelly, Midland Nat. Bank v. Conlogue

Midland Nat. Bank v. Conlogue
720 F.Supp. 878
D.Kan.,1989.
Aug. 4, 1989

CIA cocaine aircraft chased by US Customs and sank in the ocean, so CIA bank and CIA insurance corp sued each other to pay for their doper aircraft. Govt lawyers admitted in court, on the public record, that Uncle Scam knowingly and deliberately imported cocaine into USA.
www.geocities.com/iran_contra_christic_institute



My dad was on the Dream Team of 100 lawyers suing the Bush Sr White House to start Iran-Contra. He took the deposition of US ambassador Lewis Tambs, who was expelled by Costa Rica for using the US emabassy for CIA narcotics trafficking. He refuses to talk about that case now. When I asked to read some of his historic files, such as public court records, he hired a tractor-trailer shredder truck instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christic_Institute

Now my dad's on the trillion-dollar dream team sueing Saudi members of Bush & Queen's Carlyle Group for perping the 9/11 terrorist massacres. The Saudi royals and Bin Laden's are defended by Carlyle's counsel James Baker III, who currently has an office in the Jr Bush White House.
www.september11classaction.com/team.html

But the 9/11 victim plaintiffs believe the Bush Gang perped the terror massacres, not the Saudis:

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www.911pressfortruth.com

Our goal has NEVER been to get Bin Laden."
— General Richard Myers, chairman, US joint chiefs of staff at Pentagon, 9/11 Press for Truth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250

“The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did NOT plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

“We've NEVER made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has NEVER been forthcoming."
— Dick Cheney, WhiteHouse.gov, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

"9/11 is NOT mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page. He has NOT been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has NO hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
—Rex Tomb, FBI spokesman, FBI Most Wanted Terrorists webpage, June 6, 2006
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

QUESTION: "Mr President, in your speeches, you rarely mention Osama Bin Laden. Why is that?"
GEORGE BUSH JR: "I don't know where he is. I just don't spend that much time on him."
— WhiteHouse.gov,

"Operation NORTHWOODS may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. Operation Northwoods had called for nothing less than the launch of a secret campaign of TERRORISM within the United States in order to blame Castro and provoke a war with Cuba."
—James Bamford, ABC News, "Friendly Fire: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba", May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

"We could develop a Communist Cuba TERROR campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal."
—General Lyman Lemnitzer, Jewish Zionist chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, Memo to Secretary of War Robert McNamara, Subject: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba - Operation NORTHWOODS, March 13, 1962
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using ISRAELI passports. They are considered armed and dangerous."
— Emergency 911 Dispatch, BOLO (Be On the LookOut), All-Points-Bulletin (APB), City-County Building, Knoxville, Knox County, Tennessee, September 11, 2001, 11am EST -- Fox News Video

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"Tasks are typically divided into small parts, and no single person can complete any job alone. Moreover, people are generally not encouraged or rewarded for doing other than their assigned jobs or for undertaking actions independent of their supervisors. It is possible for individuals... to do their jobs well and still produce a deviant action. Courageous insiders may blow the whistle and alert the rest of us, or suspicious outsiders may take a careful look and reveal what they have found."
—Professor M. David Erman, PhD and Professor Richard J. Lundman, PhD, from college textbook Corporate and GOVERNMENTAL DEVIANCE: Problems of Organizational Behavior in Contemporary Society



"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, heh heh heh, just so long as I'm the dictator, heh heh heh."
— George Bush Jr, a homosexual transvestite cheerleader, a convicted drunk driver, an AWOL draft deserter demoted from pilot to mail clerk for refusing lawful order for drug test and sentenced to six months extra duty, arrested for theft, vandalism and cocaine (confessed guilt and expunged after paying restitution by diversion), sued for rape and sued for perping the 9/11 terrorist massacres, who performs mock human sacrifice to worship Satan at Bohemian Grove, who ate off Adolf Hitler's Nazi silverware at Yale Skull & Bones, whose father is the narco kingpin of North America partnered with Pablo Escobar who perped terrorist bombings during Iran-Contra and told Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait, whose grandfather Prescott Bush was arrested and handcuffed 3 times and paid a $750,000 forfeiture under the Trading With The Enemy Act for arming Nazi Germany DURING World War 2, whose ancester Constable Thomas Percy was gunned down and summarily executed for the terrorist bombing of British Parliament in the Gunpowder Plot of 1605 (aka V for Vendetta)
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/174



When James Baker was Bush Sr's secretary of state, he ordered US ambassador April Glaspie to tell Saddam it was okay with USA to invade Kuwait.

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US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie: "I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business."

President Saddam Hussein: "As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death."

Glaspie: "We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."

President Saddam Hussein: (smiles)
-Videotaped meeting between Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and US Ambassador April Glaspie, July 25, 1990 (Eight days before the August 2, 1990 Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait)



Journalist 2: "You knew Saddam was going to invade (Kuwait) but you didn't warn him not to. You didn't tell him America would defend Kuwait. You told him the opposite - that America was not associated with Kuwait."

Journalist 1: "You encouraged this aggression - his invasion. What were you thinking?"

US Ambassador Glaspie: "Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait."
-US Embassy, Baghdad, Iraq, September 2, 1990




Iran-Contra was actually Iran-Iraq-Israel-Contra, since the US weapons Bush illegally gave to Iran and Iraq were brokered by Israel.

The only difference now is that Afghan and Mexican heroin production are up 1,000%, thanks to Jr Bush, CIA, MI6 and WWW.SPP.GOV.

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George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography

Chapter -XVIII- Iran- Contra
www.kmf.org/williams/bushbook/bush18.html

by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin
www.republicbroadcasting.org


According to Dr Tarpley PhD, the Bush Iran-Contra Gang perped the 9/11 terrorist massacres in USA. They are criminals. That's what criminals do when nobody has the guts to arrest them.
www.piratenews.org/911con.html



My job in US Air Force in England was sabotage of US jet bombers, and sabotage of US nuclear bombs, using explosive demolitions (C4 shape charges) and detonation cord. The only way 1,000s of Super Thermate and British RDX bombs could be installed in WTC was with years of work, under full supervision of Sir Rudy Giuliani Knight of the British Empire and Uncle Scam.




"You can't stop the signal! Even when you stab me with that sword, you effin psycho copster."
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
https://video.indymedia.org/en/2007/02/716.shtml
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=8cd2bd0379340120e7a6ed00f2a53ee5
.1044556

www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org


Does that seem right to you?
www.scifi.com/onair/




Wow, and here I was actually starting to wonder if id been gone long enough for this idiot to just go away... *sigh* I guess not...


You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Tuesday, March 6, 2007 9:42 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Frem,

I look at pictures from the twenties and thirties of lynchings. Smiling crowds with children dressed up in their Sunday best. Well those children are still alive. Any bets on whether or not those experiences shaped what they passed on to their children and grandchildren? I watch news reels of angry hateful screaming people protesting school desegregation. Well, those people are still alive. Do you think they passed that hatred along?





US presidents having fun at Jewish Bohemian Grove
www.sonic.net/~kerry/bohemian/index.html


http://www.generalsandbrevets.com/sgp/pike1r.JPG
Jewish General Albert Pike, pope of Masonic Mafia, cannibal Civil War commander, British agent, Confederate Supreme Court, president Tennessee B.A.R. Assn, founder of KKK, buried in Washington DC at Luciferian House of the Temple

Albert Pike Museum in DC
www.scottishrite.org/what/educ/collections.html
www.masonicinfo.com/pike.htm
www.biblebelievers.org.au/pike.htm
www.generalsandbrevets.com/sgp/pike.htm


"You can't stop the signal!"
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
https://video.indymedia.org/en/2007/02/716.shtml
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=8cd2bd0379340120e7a6ed00f2a53ee5
.1044556

www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org


Does that seem right to you?
www.scifi.com/onair/

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Tuesday, March 6, 2007 9:52 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"Why are African Americans still in the inner cities?
Why are African Immigrants not?"

Which African immigrants are you talking about? The stereotype of the (Ethiopian, Nigerian, your choice here) hard-working low-paid cabdriver comes from somewhere.

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Tuesday, March 6, 2007 11:10 AM

FLETCH2


Wow, Oliver North has a great mugshot! That has to be the only time I've ever seen a mugshot where the person actually looks half reasonable.

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Monday, December 13, 2021 5:23 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Maybe its 'peaceful' who knows

Satellite images, expert suggest Iranian space launch coming
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/satellite-images-expert-suggest-iranian-1715
42080.html


Iran poised to join space race as satellite images reveal launch plans
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1535629/iran-space-race-satelli
te-launch-nuclear-deal-russia-china-usa-raisi


New satellite images, expert suggest Iran space launch coming
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3159475/new-satell
ite-images-expert-suggest-iran-space-launch-coming


Also trying to build a nuke reactor which they claim used is for something like the religion of peace?

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Monday, March 27, 2023 9:46 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


As Jimmy Carter lives his final days, we wonder if he and the country were cheated | Opinion

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/article273511775.html

Ronald Reagan’s “October Surprise” Plot Was Real After All

https://jacobin.com/2020/01/ronald-reagan-october-surprise-carter-iran
-hostage-crisis-conspiracy

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 2:51 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Washington Post CEO departs paper for role at Reagan Presidential Foundation
https://www.dailybulletin.com/2023/06/12/washington-post-ceo-departs-p
aper-for-role-at-reagan-presidential-foundation
/

Michael, the Son of the Bedtime for Bonzo actor, the Son of Ronnie Raygun who supported Trump

Reagan: The Saudis win the Golf War

https://www.wyomingnews.com/opinion/guest_column/reagan-the-saudis-win
-the-golf-war/article_fda25536-06ec-11ee-8336-038e61fc1c4f.html


'To See Those Monkeys Wearing Shoes'



James Watt, sharp-tongued and pro-development Interior secretary under Reagan, dies in Arizona at 85

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2023/06/10/james-wa
tt-interior-secretary-under-reagan-dies-in-arizona-at-85/70308699007
/

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Monday, October 9, 2023 10:43 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

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Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:24 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Jimmy supported Taliban-ish types the Admin after expanded it

Ronnie involved in drug running selling of guns, and the senile idiot took it up the ass from Iranians

The Iran-Contra Affair

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/reagan-iran/

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Sunday, April 14, 2024 2:17 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Alfonso Chardy, journalist who helped expose Iran-Contra affair, dies at 72

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/04/13/metro/alfonso-chardy-journalist
-who-helped-expose-iran-contra-affair-dies-72
/

Alfonso Chardy, revered Herald reporter who broke news from D.C. to the Mideast, dies

https://www.yahoo.com/news/alfonso-chardy-revered-herald-reporter-2239
58648.html

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Sunday, June 2, 2024 10:28 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


more revisionism on that senile old pro-islamist open borders shit Ronnie

Dennis Quaid Plays 40th US President in “Regan” Trailer
https://nerdbot.com/2024/05/30/dennis-quaid-plays-40th-us-president-in
-regan-trailer
/

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Thursday, July 4, 2024 1:08 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Reagan betrayed Jimmy they supported Iranians against the USA for a political win, but could it have been done? not sure if the Igor Sikorsky Helicopter and "Jimmy" Ling old Ling-Temco-Vought A7 Corsair were up for the job.

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Sunday, August 25, 2024 5:10 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


White House lawyers who advised Reagan, Bush endorse Harris over Trump in 2024 showdown

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-lawyers-who-advised-reaga
n-bush-endorse-harris-over-trump-2024-showdown

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Wednesday, August 28, 2024 7:24 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


The controversial Tucker and an interview, Nayib Bukele the Salvadoran politician and businessman who became President they are talking on a gang that went international


Perhaps born out of US policy in Latin America, then more unrest and collapse, Salvadoran Civil War, Duarte supported by the Reagan Administration the Bush family and the Central Intelligence Agency, his time in office occurred during the worst years of the Salvadoran Civil War which saw numerous abuses and massacres of the civilian population by the Salvadoran security forces and the death squads linked to them, in the USA more immigration and a gang was set up to protect Salvadoran immigrants from other gangs in the Los Angeles.


Nayib Bukele explains how MS-13 was founded and how it became an international criminal organization that brought El Salvador to its knees before he took over the country and fixed it. Spare seven minutes of your time to watch this.
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1828632415998271856

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Thursday, September 5, 2024 5:15 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


a stupid movie on him now

the political idiots worship it

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