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Jill Stein's recount effort .. now dead
Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:10 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:The Green Party cannot build the political power necessary for the transformative changes we need by allying with two capitalist parties that serve the interests of the wealthy. That is why it is imperative that the Green Party is independent of those parties. We stay independent to give people an alternative to the corruption of two money-based parties. Greens reject donations from corporations and their political action committees to ensure we are accountable to the people and so that the people’s agenda is not superseded by the corporate agenda. There are significant electoral reforms needed to make elections more democratic and more representative of the people. While we support electoral reforms, including how the vote is counted, we do not support the current recount being undertaken by Jill Stein.
Sunday, December 4, 2016 12:30 AM
RIVERLOVE
Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:49 AM
Quote:Unprecedented harassment': Pa. GOP slams state for releasing Trump electors' contact information
Quote:Pennsylvania's electors are getting deluged with anti-Trump messages
Sunday, December 4, 2016 12:56 PM
REAVERFAN
Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Why is everyone so upset if there's nothing to hide?
Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:44 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, December 4, 2016 3:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: It's not that people want to 'hide' the vote count - it's that Jill and the DNC want entire states to be dropped from the count completely - they want to disenfranchise all voters from targeted states. I think republicans should get in the game, and do that to states that voted for Hillary.
Sunday, December 4, 2016 3:35 PM
Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:01 PM
Quote:Unsatisfactory answer
Quote:In Michigan, the Board of State Canvassers certified Trump's win over Clinton by 10,704 votes out of about 4.8 million cast. Stein's team said it plans to demand a statewide hand-recount on Wednesday, in accordance with the 48-hour deadline to do so. In Wisconsin, where Trump defeated Clinton by a percentage point, the bipartisan state Elections Commission announced plans to begin a recount on Thursday, provided that proper payment for the recount has been received by the state. It rejected the Stein campaign’s request for a statewide hand recount, instead leaving it to each county to decide whether to use a machine or not. The Stein campaign said it was filing a legal challenge to trigger an all-hand recount.
Quote:The Stein campaign wants to go farther than that. It wants a full hand recount of the votes in counties that use opti-scan machines, which are similar to machines that scan standardized tests. These machines have a paper trail, and county officials say a recount would involve recounting the paper ballots
Quote:Trump won, yet exit polls showed him down by 4%.
Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:19 PM
Quote:yet exit polls showed him down by 4%
Sunday, December 4, 2016 7:49 PM
Monday, December 5, 2016 10:50 AM
Quote:yet exit polls showed him down by 4% -REAVERFAN Cite? Country-wide? In contested states?- KIKI
Monday, December 5, 2016 11:02 AM
Monday, December 5, 2016 11:10 AM
Quote:All you Hillary-philes - is voiding all votes from entire states a cost you find acceptable to get the result you want? .... As for my general question - I didn't realize it was so difficult for so many people! I THOUGHT the answer - which is 'NO!' - would be obvious to everyone. Especially to lovers of freedom and democracy.
Friday, December 9, 2016 9:54 AM
Quote:The recount is more than 70% complete in Wisconsin, and Clinton has gained just 82 votes on Trump, who won the state by more than 22,000 votes...The recount is on schedule to finish by the Monday deadline. The Michigan presidential recount that involved about 34 counties is on hold and may not be completed after a federal judge's ruling Wednesday.... The state elections board said the recount would stop after Goldsmith's decision. Trump won Michigan by about 10,700 votes over Clinton. ... One county — Ingham — had finished its recount of more than 134,000 ballots Wednesday. As a result, President-elect Trump gained 73 votes, while Hillary Clinton gained 138. Green Party candidate Stein lost two votes. Green Party-backed lawyers continued to be in a holding pattern Wednesday after asking a federal judge Monday to order a recount of the [Pennsylvania] state’s Nov. 8 presidential election result. Stein's request for a recount must wait at least until a federal court hearing on Friday, just four days before the Dec. 13 federal deadline for states to certify their election results. [Recount not possible] A partial recount continued in Nevada at the request of independent presidential candidate Roque De La Fuente ... Secretary of State spokeswoman Gail Anderson said the recount will be finished by the end of this week. Three Central Florida voters have ... filed [a lawsuit] Monday in Leon Circuit Court, they assert that Clinton, not Trump, actually won Florida... They're asking for a hand recount of every paper ballot in Florida, at the expense of defendants including President-elect Trump, Gov. Rick Scott and the 29 Republican presidential electors from Florida. But ... Clint Curtis, an Orlando attorney representing the plaintiffs, said the defendants may not respond by the time the Electoral College meets on Dec. 19.
Friday, December 9, 2016 10:25 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Sunday, December 11, 2016 3:25 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Sunday, December 11, 2016 7:18 AM
Quote:Thanks, Jill: Michigan House passes voter-ID bill after vote-fraud hyperbole Be careful what you wish for … you just might get it. Jill Stein didn’t get the recount she wanted in Michigan, but she did get the state to take vote-integrity issues seriously. Meeting in its lame-duck session, the state House of Representatives passed a tough voter-ID bill that includes $3 million for funding of free state identification and birth certificates after over 18,000 voters cast ballots without identification in the presidential election: Michigan’s Republican-led House on Wednesday night approved a strict voter identification proposal over strenuous objections from Democrats who argued the plan could disenfranchise properly registered voters. Michigan voters without photo identification could still cast a provisional ballot under the controversial legislation, but they would have to bring an ID to their local clerk’s office within 10 days of an election in order for their vote to count. Current law requires a photo ID too, but also allows for voters to sign an affidavit under oath that attests to their identity and eligibility. The House might have had ample reason to wonder about abuse under that system when looking at the distribution of the practice. The Detroit News’ Jonathan Oostling reports that almost half of all such votes took place in heavily Democratic Wayne County, and almost 6,000 in the city of Detroit alone. That seems oddly disproportional, given that Wayne County accounted for just 16% of the state’s total. It’s worth noting that Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes, well below that total of non-ID ballots. That might tend to bolster Stein’s general complaint about potential voter fraud, but a recount wouldn’t be able to determine whether those ballots were cast fraudulently anyway. Ballots are cast secretly, so they do not contain any identifying marks. Once cast, a ballot from an ineligible voter is indistinguishable from legitimate ballots, and a recount would count them again, too. If the recount is about integrity and not the outcome, then Stein and her allies should be cheering this change in the statute, assuming it passes the state Senate. What about that? Republicans have a supermajority in Michigan’s upper chamber, 27-11, so it would seem to be a slam-dunk that this change will get to Governor Rick Snyder’s desk. The GOP did lose a couple of members on the House vote, but they’ve got room to breathe in the Senate. Unless Snyder surprises Republicans with a veto, the bill should pass into law at the end of the session. About that, though … Gov. Rick Snyder of Michigan surprised his fellow Republicans on Tuesday, refusing to sign two bills that would have required voters to show photo identification before obtaining an absentee ballot. The vetoes are an election-year rarity for the party, which has pressed for tougher voter identification laws nationwide. The bills were among three that Mr. Snyder returned to legislators after approving 11 other measures in a package of election changes based on proposals by Michigan’s secretary of state, Ruth Johnson. They were passed by lawmakers two weeks ago. “These reforms will make a good election system even better by adding appropriate safeguards and improving transparency,” Mr. Snyder said. He said the vetoed bills “could create voter confusion among absentee voters.” Sara Wurfel, a spokeswoman for the governor, said that confusion had to do with a part of the bills that would have made voters check a citizenship box before receiving a ballot. Mr. Snyder suggested that verification of a person’s citizenship should be done only once, when a voter is first registered, she said. That happened in 2012, and the citizenship checkbox requirement has been dropped. Snyder’s in his second term now too, and might feel more ready to implement better protection against voter fraud and ballot integrity — now that Stein’s paved the way for action. Thanks, Jill!
Sunday, December 11, 2016 9:25 AM
Sunday, December 11, 2016 4:53 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Keep recounting until you get the result you want. Worked for Al Franken in MN. Worked in the WA gubernatorial election... But the votes here are too wide. No evidence of vast voter tampering, even though in Michigan, 18,000 votes were cast w/ out any voter ID presented. Crazy is what the Left call home
Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:52 PM
Quote: That Al Franken abortion was a rape of the Election process.
Monday, December 12, 2016 7:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Riverlove: Quote: That Al Franken abortion was a rape of the Election process. That recount was challenged in the courts by Norm Coleman and they ruled against him. So it wasn't a "rape of the election process". It was the legal and lawful way disputes are settled in America. You win some, you lose some.
Saturday, December 17, 2016 5:26 PM
Saturday, December 17, 2016 7:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It looks like the recount effort has died.
Quote:Interestingly, the worst problems in Michigan were in Detroit, where Democrats were in charge of the precincts. In many cases there were more votes tallied than there were votes in the ballot box. Usually it was just by one or two votes, but in one case there were 250 votes tallied and only 90 ballots.
Quote:I still would be interested in what a recount would show, but for Democrats I guess the advice would be "Be careful what you wish for".
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