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Thorium reactors. Yay or Nay ?
Sunday, February 2, 2014 1:49 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Spent fuel to spent fuel.
Sunday, February 2, 2014 9:37 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:04 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
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SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:33 AM
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Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:45 AM
Quote:By itself ? So what ? It needs a small amount of ignition. Far less than the reactors we're using now.
Sunday, February 2, 2014 12:18 PM
Sunday, February 2, 2014 12:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: If folks at Google and Ted Talks deem it worthy to discuss . . .
Sunday, February 2, 2014 12:30 PM
Quote: I'm curious if you trust the words of a businessman promoting his business to be accurate and complete information.
Sunday, February 2, 2014 12:34 PM
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Sunday, February 2, 2014 12:52 PM
Quote: "Seems govt, and not business, is what folks should have issues in trusting." You must have missed the part about the way business jumped right in.
Sunday, February 2, 2014 12:57 PM
Quote:MY point was that govt ignored what the science said, ignored the real world applications to the different reactors, and simply chose one over the other, probably because it yielded weapons grade material.
Sunday, February 2, 2014 1:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Why is anyone even debating rappy? He gets off on provoking people with his ridiculously empty-headed provocation.
Sunday, February 2, 2014 1:40 PM
ELVISCHRIST
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: It's not entirely theoretical if they've already built smaller scale reactors, 40+ YEARS ago. Unlike AGW, which constantly gets disproved, in the REAL world, over and over and over. And in the example I gave, I compared apples to apples. Spent fuel to spent fuel. Sorry if that distorts your claim ( sorry, Siggy's claim ) that 1 reactor creates " 100's of tons of radio active waste per year ). Talk about spin!
Sunday, February 2, 2014 1:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Thanks second. Very informative an interesting video. If folks at Google and Ted Talks deem it worthy to discuss, I don't see the harm in trying to generate ( see what I did there ? ) some light hearted, honest dialogue here as well. More info is always better.
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Sunday, February 2, 2014 5:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by ElvisChrist: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Thanks second. Very informative an interesting video. If folks at Google and Ted Talks deem it worthy to discuss, I don't see the harm in trying to generate ( see what I did there ? ) some light hearted, honest dialogue here as well. More info is always better. Thing is, we've BEEN discussing it. And when we bring up points, or doubts, or concerns, you want to act like you're being attacked.
Quote: I do auditing for a living. I have other auditors alongside me, and a few of them have problems with the work, because of what I view as "confirmation bias" - they go into the audit looking to confirm and okay it. I go in looking at it as a challenge; I don't imagine people are trying to trick or screw me, I just think that they've likely made a mistake somewhere, and it's my challenge to find it before it gets away from us.
Quote: So I ask questions. I don't take someone's word for it. It's a skill set called "critical thinking."
Quote: What I've seen in this thread is that you're trying to present something as a false choice. You've presented something - a thorium reactor - and insinuated that it's clearly the best thing because it's cleaner than OTHER reactors (theoretically, at least). But it isn't true that our only choices are between thorium reactors and other reactors, or between thorium and coal, or oil, or gas. Our choices are between all viable energy sources.
Quote: You seem to have quite a vested interest in selling the rest of us on thorium reactors, even while claiming that you have no dog in the fight.
Quote: You say you asked for a discussion, but what you really hoped for was a cheerleading camp put on by a bunch of yes men. Sorry, but that's not what I do.
Sunday, February 2, 2014 5:20 PM
Sunday, February 2, 2014 5:30 PM
Quote: Thorium and MSRs in the media Is there a safer future for nuclear? Dr Geoff Parks, Cambridge University, June 2012 Safer nuclear – let the thorium debate begin, SmartPlanet, May 2012 New Life for Forgotten Fuel, FT Magazine, September 2011 The Nuclear Renaissance?, BBC Business Daily, September 2011 Thor Forges Safer Nuclear Power, The Sunday Times (PDF 1.6 Mb) Thorium: the Element that Could Power our Future, Wired.co.uk, September 2011 Safer nuclear does exist, The Telegraph, August 2011 Why thorium nuclear power shouldn’t be written off, Bryony Worthington, The Guardian, July 2011 Uranium is so last century – enter thorium, the green nuke, Wired, December 2009
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Sunday, February 2, 2014 6:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: They were both sales pitches. And one guy wasn't even a scientist. So, do you have those references or not?
Sunday, February 2, 2014 6:28 PM
Quote: You're having the same difficulty as you do with global warming ... you don't seem to know what science is.
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Sunday, February 2, 2014 8:48 PM
Quote:Many scientist, who actually BUILT Thorium reactors, would disagree w/ your assessments.
Sunday, February 2, 2014 10:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I never once stated, suggested or hinted, in the least, that our ONLY choices were as you claimed. But the simple fact is, as was demonstrated in the Google Tech video, was that solar power isn't as reliable or economical as other forms of energy.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by ElvisChrist: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: So, we're all fine w/ coal, oil and LWR power plants then, right ? OK. I guess I didn't realize these were the only possible choices offered to us. And now you do.
Quote:Originally posted by ElvisChrist: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: So, we're all fine w/ coal, oil and LWR power plants then, right ? OK. I guess I didn't realize these were the only possible choices offered to us.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: So, we're all fine w/ coal, oil and LWR power plants then, right ? OK.
Sunday, February 2, 2014 10:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: No. Watch the gorram video. Towards the end, Weinberg is quoted. That's all you're getting from me. If you think that's insufficient, fine. I don't give 2 flips. Declare Thorium reactors the worst form of energy imaginable. I'm not here to convince you or anyone.
Sunday, February 2, 2014 10:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Many scientist, who actually BUILT Thorium reactors, would disagree w/ your assessments. Rappy, you win the award for making me spew coffee on my keyboard! Because, seeing as there was only one scientist that I know of who BUILT the thorium reactor... and he's DEAD NOW... it's a little difficult to get up-to-date opinions on the topic!
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