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U.S. Marines urinate on Taliban corpses (not PN)
Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:30 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: CaveTroll - you may as well ask the sun not to shine. You should know that this part of FFF.net, RWED, has a history of no holds barred, colorful discussion format, and is oddly proud of that fact. I would say that you have happened upon this place during an extremely civil time/lull though.
Saturday, January 14, 2012 1:32 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Why confine deaths to just al Qaeda ? Why not include ALL radical Islamic extremists, around the world, to make it a legitimate question ?
Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:26 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:Why confine deaths to just al Qaeda ? Why not include ALL radical Islamic extremists, around the world, to make it a legitimate question ? Sure, let's. (OTOH does that mean I need to include Britain or NATO on "our" side?) But instead of a presupposing an answer, let's try to to find out the real answer, OK?
Saturday, January 14, 2012 4:14 PM
Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:36 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:Why confine deaths to just al Qaeda ? Why not include ALL radical Islamic extremists, around the world, to make it a legitimate question ? Sure, let's. (OTOH does that mean I need to include Britain or NATO on "our" side?) But instead of a presupposing an answer, let's try to to find out the real answer, OK?
Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:23 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:47 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:By YOUR logic, the NAZIS were saving the Jews, not slaughtering them. Who killed more peeps? Us or al Qaida?
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:By YOUR logic, the NAZIS were saving the Jews, not slaughtering them. Who killed more peeps? Us or al Qaida?
Quote:By YOUR logic, the NAZIS were saving the Jews, not slaughtering them.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Do you see what you're doing here?
Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:48 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:11 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: I think it goes to the double-think we have about war. We train these kids to be brutal, strip all normal human squeamishness and restraint from 'em so they can go kill total strangers on some near-stranger's say-so, and then expect them to pull back from behaving barbarically in their free time.
Quote: Niki I do find this act horrific, but I guess I have this view that war is barbaric and the people who conduct it have been trained to dehumanise other people. Horrible, but not surprising. You take a load of underpriveledged youngsters, train them the kill, dump them down in a foreign country of which they have not one whit of understanding and you get shit like this happening.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:42 AM
Quote:Sig, On this matter, 'Rappy world = the REAL world '. I'm speaking of real world events, even if they're NOT appearing on the nightly news, or if they are, get a brief mention, then it's off to Brittany, with tonight's Action weather update...
Quote:I'm afraid your life experiences and getting attention from the FBI, while interesting, aren't really registering w/ me too much.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:50 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:52 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:01 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:12 AM
Quote:he's pretty much a troll. The more he can provoke people into replying, the more powerful and important he feels. After all, negative attention is better than being treated like a completely ignorable nothing.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:14 AM
OLDENGLANDDRY
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:15 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: He's said the same stupid thing over and over and over and OVER,
Quote: yet people keep engaging him by trying to point out facts and argue with him. I see why so many leave here, pop back in and say "yup, same old, same old" and go away again.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:28 AM
Quote:Here it goes... we spend so much more $ on defense than anyone else, ego [sic], WE are the ones to be feared, WE are the ones who are causing this, WE are the ones blah blah blah.... It's a false, baseless rationale and propaganda that the enemies of not just the US but of Western civilization use to justify their blowing up of buses, rail stations, pizza parlors, weddings, or the cutting of heads of little girls, men, women, etc... I'm so god damn sick of this mindless " if WE weren't the bullies, they'd not fear us " crap.
Quote:The MILLIONS we've wiped off the Earth? What in the hell are you even talking about ?- rappy Well, we can start with the 2.5 million in Vietnam and go from there. And I don't mean from starvation and disease and sanctions, I mean bullets, bombs and missiles fired by or provided by the USA, with "made in USA" all over them. This is a discussion I've already had with Geezer: I listed all of our interventions since 1900. It was an impressive list, and included the overthrow of democratically elected leaders and the installation of tyrants in every nation in Central and South America (except Costa Rica), Cuba, Haiti, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the Phillippines, Indonesia, East Timor, etc. This wasn't always in the distant past either, but in my living memory and (if you are as old as some say you are) within yours too. And the list of dead was impressively long, and - yes- went up into the millions. Yeah, I know your eyes probably glazed over and it all rolled off you like water off a duck's back, but this is ALSO real-world history, and while YOU may not care about what the USA has done in other countries, those other countries do. So if I "got ya" on that one, that only speaks to your ignorance of real-world events and your excessively narrow focus and lack of attention to what people around the world REALLY think of us; not the happy stories we tell ourselves about ourselves. And that is why you will be surprised and shocked by events. -Signy
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:35 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:48 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:52 AM
Quote: Shows how good he is at what he does, and how weak people are at not taking the bait.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:56 PM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:53 PM
CHRISISALL
Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:28 PM
HERO
Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:32 PM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Pissing on the corpses of the enemy...especially in front of a camera has a legitimate military purpose.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:20 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Monday, January 16, 2012 4:48 AM
Monday, January 16, 2012 5:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: I find it somewhat odd that AU & HK make similar points on this thread, in essence, WTF do you expect?? The laughing Chrisisall
Monday, January 16, 2012 7:00 AM
Quote:The practice was rare in parts of the northeast {among Native Americans}, and in the far west was encountered only sporadically. The introduction of horses, metal knives, and guns, combined with territorial pressures, probably increased warfare and scalping. But only after the white man put the practice on a solid business foundation, by offering scalp bounties, did it really take off and spread to previously nonparticipating peoples. Though the Spanish in Mexico had earlier offered head bounties, New Englanders were apparently the first to grasp the usefulness of scalps as proof of death. In 1637 they began paying their Indian allies for either the heads of their Pequot enemies or, when the return distance was too great, the scalps. New Englanders were also first to pay whites for Indian scalps (1675-76). The egalitarian French upped the ante in 1688 by offering to pay for any enemy scalps, white or Indian. Even men of God couldn't restrain themselves. One chaplain scalped two Indians in the 1720s only to be dispatched by friends of the deceased before he could claim his bounty. Another enterprising minister provisioned scalping gangs in return for a third of the cut. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2685/did-native-americans-learn-scalping-from-europeans to Wiki, bounties for scalps were common in the Colonial Wars and our Revolutionary War:Quote:During Queen Anne's War, by 1703, the Massachusetts Bay Colony was offering $60 for each native scalp. During King George's War, Governor of Massachusetts William Shirley issued a bounty for the scalps of Indian men, women, and children. During Father Le Loutre's War and the French and Indian War in Nova Scotia and Acadia, French colonists offered payments to Indians for British scalps.[16] In 1749, British Governor Edward Cornwallis offered payment to New England Rangers for Indian scalps. During the French and Indian War, Governor of Nova Scotia Charles Lawrence also offered a reward for male Mi'kmaq scalps in 1756. During the French and Indian War, in June 12, 1755, Lieutenant Governor Spencer Phips of Massachusetts Bay colony was offering a bounty of £40 for a male Indian scalp, and £20 for scalps of females or of children under 12 years old.[18] In 1756, Pennsylvania Governor Morris, in his Declaration of War against the Lenni Lenape (Delaware) people, offered "130 Pieces of Eight, for the Scalp of Every Male Indian Enemy, above the Age of Twelve Years," and "50 Pieces of Eight for the Scalp of Every Indian Woman, produced as evidence of their being killed. In the American Revolutionary War, Henry Hamilton, the British lieutenant-governor of Province of Quebec (1763-1791), was known by American Patriots as the "hair-buyer general" because they believed he encouraged and paid his Native American allies to scalp American settlers. Some scalping incidents even occurred during the American Civil War; for example, Confederate guerrillas led by Bloody Bill Anderson were well known for decorating their saddles with the scalps of Union soldiers they had killed.[23] Archie Clement had the reputation of being Anderson’s “chief scalper”.Scalping existed in many parts of the world at various times in history, and it certainly existed in North America before Europeans came. But "christians" didn't learn it from Indians, nor vice versa. Our forefathers just made its use much wider by turning it into a money-making venture. Sorry, no "good guys" here, any more than we're the "good guys" in our current wars.
Quote:During Queen Anne's War, by 1703, the Massachusetts Bay Colony was offering $60 for each native scalp. During King George's War, Governor of Massachusetts William Shirley issued a bounty for the scalps of Indian men, women, and children. During Father Le Loutre's War and the French and Indian War in Nova Scotia and Acadia, French colonists offered payments to Indians for British scalps.[16] In 1749, British Governor Edward Cornwallis offered payment to New England Rangers for Indian scalps. During the French and Indian War, Governor of Nova Scotia Charles Lawrence also offered a reward for male Mi'kmaq scalps in 1756. During the French and Indian War, in June 12, 1755, Lieutenant Governor Spencer Phips of Massachusetts Bay colony was offering a bounty of £40 for a male Indian scalp, and £20 for scalps of females or of children under 12 years old.[18] In 1756, Pennsylvania Governor Morris, in his Declaration of War against the Lenni Lenape (Delaware) people, offered "130 Pieces of Eight, for the Scalp of Every Male Indian Enemy, above the Age of Twelve Years," and "50 Pieces of Eight for the Scalp of Every Indian Woman, produced as evidence of their being killed. In the American Revolutionary War, Henry Hamilton, the British lieutenant-governor of Province of Quebec (1763-1791), was known by American Patriots as the "hair-buyer general" because they believed he encouraged and paid his Native American allies to scalp American settlers. Some scalping incidents even occurred during the American Civil War; for example, Confederate guerrillas led by Bloody Bill Anderson were well known for decorating their saddles with the scalps of Union soldiers they had killed.[23] Archie Clement had the reputation of being Anderson’s “chief scalper”.
Monday, January 16, 2012 1:30 PM
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