In the Would-Be President's Very Own Words by Kwicko

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In the Would-Be President's Very Own Words

POSTED BY: KWICKO
UPDATED: Friday, March 5, 2010 08:15
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Wednesday, March 3, 2010 1:47 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

McCain Concedes Republicans Have No Case In Opposing Budget Reconciliation

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MCCAIN: I fully recognize that Republicans have in the past engaged in using reconciliation to further the party’s agenda. I wish it had not been done then, and I hope it will not be done now that the groundwork has been laid.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/26/mccain-concedes-reconciliation/

So while he's voted for reconciliation many, many times in the past, he now thinks that's not the way we should pass bills.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, March 5, 2010 3:47 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Sure, everyone knows it's been used many times in the past. Nothing new there, but I feel it's the magnitude and purpose of the various bills that makes a difference. I don't know specifically ALL the bills it's been used to pass something in the past, but I know many have been for judicial appointments, or stop-gap spending bills, etc. I believe the "technique" hit an all-time low in terms of ethics and morality when it was used two times under Bush by Republicans to cut income tax rates for the upper-income bracket folks....bad, dumb, stupid, outrageous, un-fair, and ultimately detrimental to our economy.

That said, I think Healthcare is just too big, too expansive to use the tool to pass the final bill, whenever that becomes public. It's 20% of our entire economy, and it will affect ALL of us, whether we want it or not, in some way. And with the majority of polls clearly showing a majority of Americans against it, it does seem a bit of "shoved-down-my-throat-tough noogies" to me.

BUT, if the Dems do it, no one can say they did anything wrong. Republicans set the stage for this by their past actions, and payback is hell. I also think all the negative hype is just a tad over the top. I refuse to "be afraid"....Whatever happens, I don't think my world will come to an end, although the flood of tv ads we're gonna see in the next couple of weeks may want to make all of us move to Australia or something.

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Friday, March 5, 2010 8:15 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Republicans set the stage for this by their past actions, and payback is hell.

Ayep, and I sat there and TRIED to tell em this, repeatedly, so it's not like I can feel real sorry for em, yanno ?

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I also think all the negative hype is just a tad over the top. I refuse to "be afraid"....Whatever happens, I don't think my world will come to an end, although the flood of tv ads we're gonna see in the next couple of weeks may want to make all of us move to Australia or something.

GOOD, and I think americans as a whole are waking up to that fact as well, that the powers that be, regardless of political stripe, WANT them to be afraid cause it'll mess with their ability to reason and thus see through the shoveljob.

But that's a card that's been played once too often, you saw how flat the attempt to cause a phony pandemic-panic (swine flu, swine flu!) fell, mostly cause of an apathy and cynicism toward our so-called "leaders" that they so richly deserve.

And it's not a far cry from that, to simply refusing to take them seriously, I mean, how can you ?

At which point people start asking QUESTIONS, yanno, like why do we 'need' these assholes in the first place...

-F

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