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Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:19 PM
ALLIETHORN7
Thursday, March 29, 2007 3:23 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:10 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: You are what you BUY?
Friday, March 30, 2007 1:09 AM
Friday, March 30, 2007 4:05 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: There are several repeating themes in our history as a species, and one of them is the development of the wealthy and powerful at the expense of others. Capitalism is not the only economic system which has created poverty, and it is not the only economic system to justify itself on the basis of greater themes.
Friday, March 30, 2007 5:34 AM
Friday, March 30, 2007 6:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: I wonder what year the data was drawn from...
Quote:But in general if you look at the human development rankings you'll notice that 19 of the top 20 have a form of "capitalism" that you might call "socialism" - universal ("socialized") health care; generous wages, vacations, and welfare benefits; free edcuation; and highly regulated industry; high taxes; and (compared to the USA) relatively small differences between the richest and the poorest. So it's not pure capitalism that creates these conditions but a form of highly-regulated capitalism.
Quote:"Charity" is what governments do to PROTECT CAPITALISM from it's inevitable self-generated catastrophic failure.
Quote: Capitalism is not the only economic system which has created poverty, and it is not the only economic system to justify itself on the basis of greater themes...Capitalism just happens to be the one we're dealing with today.
Friday, March 30, 2007 8:05 AM
Friday, March 30, 2007 8:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Geezer- capitalism doesn't provide social services, government does.
Quote:There is bad capitalism and there is good government.
Quote:And I maintain my previous point- if we had to live under bare-knuckles capitalism, capitalism wouldn't survive for long.
Quote:The only reason why capitalism continues to exist is because it is moderated by soicalist government action.
Friday, March 30, 2007 8:48 AM
Friday, March 30, 2007 12:37 PM
Friday, March 30, 2007 12:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Awww... and just when I thought we were having a nice discussion. I hope this is just a dinner break for you, and not that I scared you away!
Friday, March 30, 2007 2:13 PM
Friday, March 30, 2007 3:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Heh. Have a nice dinner! (We're having pot roast, peas and pickled beets. yesterday we had honey-smoked grilled chicken, green beans with buttered bread crumbs and mashed yam. Tomorrow it'll be tofu and shrimp with hot ginger sauce, tempura-style broccoli and pineapple. Did I mention I'm an OK cook?)
Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:34 AM
Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: double yum. I'm bored of my cooking. You're welcome to come to my house for dinner if I can come to yours! I'm hoping you'll have the time to explain my misconsceptions.
Monday, April 2, 2007 6:44 AM
Monday, April 2, 2007 6:48 AM
Monday, April 2, 2007 6:52 AM
Monday, April 2, 2007 9:47 AM
FLETCH2
Monday, April 2, 2007 4:03 PM
Monday, April 2, 2007 5:16 PM
XXKITTENZXX
Monday, April 2, 2007 11:36 PM
CITIZEN
Quote:Originally posted by XxKittenzxX: whatever religion a person follows, it is not a public thing, it is a personal decision, do I think that they should allow prayer time in schools? HECK YEAH!! But like someone stated earlier in this topic, Prayer is used in ALL religions, therfore why does everyone assume that when people speak of prayer they mean to Jesus?
Tuesday, April 3, 2007 1:30 AM
Tuesday, April 3, 2007 1:33 AM
Tuesday, April 3, 2007 2:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: I think what you mean to say is that capitalism has a genius for making work more productive.
Quote:...but capitalism is the first economic system that takes and avowed stand for self-interest and against charity.
Quote: However, what you're allowed to do with that ownership varies with the temper of the times. If your rights as owner are highly restricted, then "ownership" takes on a different meaning.
Quote:For example, most people think of Taiwan and Singapore as "capitalist" countries, but in fact about half the industries in Taiwan are government-owned, and Singapore is considered a "socialist miracle".
Quote:The main issue with capitalsim is that it inevitably reverts to monopolism because that is the most profitable form of business.
Tuesday, April 3, 2007 3:44 AM
Tuesday, April 3, 2007 5:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Multinationals face no equivalent antithetical governmental power. SO far, the only rules being made concerning international trade tend to be made by the multinationals for the multinationals, in cooperation with the large governments. You will not find, for example, much in the way of international trust-busting.
Tuesday, April 3, 2007 8:17 AM
Tuesday, April 3, 2007 2:34 PM
Tuesday, April 3, 2007 7:18 PM
Wednesday, April 4, 2007 2:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: While individual nations or regions may apply anti-monopoly laws indivudually, there is no international (ie cross-border, trans-oceanic) effort to rein in multinationals.
Wednesday, April 4, 2007 3:14 AM
Wednesday, April 4, 2007 7:42 AM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Wednesday, April 4, 2007 8:49 AM
Wednesday, April 4, 2007 9:02 AM
Wednesday, April 4, 2007 3:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: The trick to creating a decent economic system would be to harness the capitalist drive towards productivity while guiding the distribution of wealth and protecting "the commons".
Wednesday, April 4, 2007 4:16 PM
Wednesday, April 4, 2007 4:18 PM
Thursday, April 5, 2007 3:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: Hunh? Have you never heard of non-monetary economies? There are many, even today. And yet somehow they survive without even money, let alone 'capitalism'.
Thursday, April 5, 2007 6:41 AM
Thursday, April 5, 2007 6:59 AM
Thursday, April 5, 2007 7:30 AM
Thursday, April 5, 2007 8:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: "some form of capitalism" The problem with this argument is that you can expand the definition of capitalism to be almost anything you want it to be. That makes it hard to discuss.
Thursday, April 5, 2007 8:34 AM
Thursday, April 5, 2007 8:41 AM
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Monday, April 9, 2007 1:32 PM
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