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Music II

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Saturday, July 5, 2025 6:22 AM

The Water Is Wide Keizo Ishibashi (Mandolin/Ukulele/Guitar Player)

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1RK3XzEEir/

This song may be preceded by an Irish language song whose first line A Bhí Bean Uasal ("It was a noble woman") matches closely the opening line of one known variation of Lord Jamie Douglas: "I was a lady of renown". However, the content of the English-language "Carrickfergus" includes material clearly from the Scots/English songs not in any known copy of A Bhí Bean Uasal suggesting considerable interplay among all known traditions. The Welsh version is called "Mae'r môr yn faith"

https://sainwales.com/store/sheet-music/cs102

sounds like someone trying to stay sane on Mars?

Fighting boredom with banjos and Russian grammar – tips from polar explorers for surviving months of isolation

https://theconversation.com/fighting-boredom-with-banjos-and-russian-g
rammar-tips-from-polar-explorers-for-surviving-months-of-isolation-134294

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Saturday, July 5, 2025 8:41 AM

Process of making long bamboo flutes. Korean traditional musical wind instruments factory

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Saturday, July 5, 2025 8:43 AM

Fabulous: Carnival (Official) Rehearsal filmed here in Rio

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Saturday, July 5, 2025 8:45 AM

Duke Ellington: Take the A Train solo piano

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Saturday, July 5, 2025 8:50 AM

Control is a third-person action-adventure video game created by Finnish game studio, Sankarin Tango Hero's Tango

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Saturday, July 5, 2025 8:50 AM

The Harmonic Resonators perform a Maori folk song medley live at RNZ

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Sunday, July 6, 2025 5:46 AM

Croatian star Marko Perkovic Thompson set for record-breaking concert crowd

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Wednesday, July 16, 2025 9:26 PM

Microtonal Guitar: Music Beyond the 12 Notes

Brandon Acker

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Friday, July 18, 2025 9:16 AM

There will never be a hot AI-generated band. Or will there? Many say there already is

https://globalnews.ca/news/11270438/will-there-be-ai-generated-bands/

The AI band that's fooled millions: Controversy over fake indie group Velvet Sundown goes into overdrive

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14888591/AI-band-fake-
indie-Velvet-Sundown-Spotify.html

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Monday, July 28, 2025 10:16 AM

Getting Into Korean Music (besides K-Pop)

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Tuesday, July 29, 2025 4:11 AM

Hey Jaynez. Are you aware of any program that could take a bunch of audio files that would analyze the volume of those files, and then adjust those that need to be adjusted to fit whatever level of volume you desire them all to be set at?

My first problem when trying to do something like this is probably not using the correct terminology. "Normalize" doesn't appear to be what I actually want to be doing here, although it is intuitively the word I would use to describe what I want.

Changing the "Gain" essentially does the most important part, which is to adjust the volume of the file without actually editing peaks out or things like that. But I can't appear to find any program that allow me to set a desired volume level and then just run the files through it for auto-adjustment to whatever peak I want for the whole batch.

I can mass adjust Gain, but that doesn't help anything. That just turns the volume up or down on all the files the same amount and I still end up with the same problem... just louder or softer overall. The ones that were too soft before are even softer and the ones that were just right are now too low, or vice versa.

I've got a mix of files here. Apparently they're all between 81 and 94 dB +/- or something like that, where 89 would be the desire "target" supposedly. That was all figured out by analysis by a program that was able to get me that far, but then didn't actually do any adjustments to the files themselves when it claimed it does. After I did that analysis, I did listen to those files and with my untrained ear I'd say that it did a pretty good assessment there for the overall volume in relation to each other and what numbers it spit out on the analysis.

So I was bummed when doing a trial run to see if 89 was just right or if I should try it again lower or higher from there, that it did absolutely nothing.

Several programs, including Audacity, can easily change the gain, but they use a different form of measurement it seems, so those numbers I got from the other program have been meaningless so far. And as far as I can tell they don't posses any way to do it all in bulk even if they did feature that comparative analysis before doing a batch process.

I'm not looking for anything close to Wings of Redemption perfection on this. But I've got something I'd been putzing around with that has a lot of different audio files and it just has an amateurish feeling to it with the volume variances between some of the tracks. Could be days of messing around with this by hand saved if I had an automatic solution for it.

Free without piracy would be preferable, although if you find something you think that would work that's looking for a small donation I might be inclined. I'm not looking to spend any real money on a pro tool suite here.

No worries if you got no clue. Just figured I'd throw it out there.

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Tuesday, July 29, 2025 6:17 AM

Englishman in New York - Sting

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Hey Jaynez. Are you aware of any program that could take a bunch of audio files that would analyze the volume of those files, and then adjust those that need to be adjusted to fit whatever level of volume you desire them all to be set at?

I believe you should still do this using your own ears and eyes

the first concept is DAW, a computer software can copy the set up of a studio with mics and audio cables and keyboards and a accoustic drum or drum machine and bass guitar can all be put into a 'DAW' is a Digital Audio Workstation that creates an artificial music studio on your own computer desktop

if you are using Audacity then you are familiar with stuff and maybe its time to move on to Traverso DAW, and on to 'LMMS' which I believe is free but kind of professional looking but I don't believe you pay for it like 'Pro Tools' and there is still a lot of LMMS free out there, Cubase, Reaper and Goldwave might offer some old trail run free software, they also say Cakewalk is a totally free full functional DAW. ...they are all very similar, they also say Soundbridge is good but people will chose what works best for themselves.

What you hear as 'Loud' can be kind of relative or subjective depending on what youre used to your culture or what noise and damage your ears have been hit with over the years, what styles of music you are into but you should be able to pick out what section of the acoustic-spectrum is 'loud' to your ears, what part of the orchestra or what electronic instrument is too loud.

Do you know what is in the track? is it a Bass guitar, a Flute or Clarinet, an artificial Kick Drum and Artificial Snare Drum,
Can you recognize the instrumentation, does it have a male voice or flame voice? Does it use a real life Types of Drum Cymbals or is it using Samples of other guys hitting a Cymbal. Does it have an Acoustic Guitar or Electric Guitar? Does it have a bunch of Keyboard Synth Video Game type sample sounds?

If its a software file or midi then you might be able to open the track and see all different instruments in all the different channels getting sent into a digital Mixing console picture, its not analogue like the real life desk but an artificial mixing desk program. If it is an old school audio engineer, then he might have set up the music to have different channels just as you would have a different mic for each instrument or musician during old school gigs on a stage.

What type of files are they? Because the human ear can sometimes hear as high as 22,050 hz a good audio needs to sampled 44,100 times per second, to copy the real life highest peak part of the audio wave is called the crest and the lowest part is called the trough.
If the tune is already 'mixed' into a blend of music, flac or wav will be better than 'mp3' methods used to compress audio into mp3 can create a lot of metal thin sounding noisy buzz
'If your hearing can't reach anything higher than 22.05kHz, then the 44.1kHz file can out-resolve the range of frequencies you can hear.'
https://www.soundguys.com/high-bitrate-audio-is-overkill-cd-quality-is
-still-great-16518/
Differences?
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/flac-vs-wav-any-perceptible-dif
ferences-in-sound-quality.1208214/
Flac Wav Mp3
https://kommandotech.com/guides/wav-vs-flac-vs-mp3/

You should probably try the music files on different speakers and different headphones

then describe which part of the tune is 'noisy' Tubby, Muddy, Boxy, Honky, Barky, Edgy, Sibilant

some people will have different names Sibilant = Airy or Barky = High Mids 2kHz-4kHz

1. Low Mud 0-20Hz
2. Sub Bass 20-60Hz
3. Bass 60-250Hz
4. Low Mid 250-500Hz
5. Midrange 500Hz – 2kHz
6. High Mid 2kHz – 4kHz
7. Presence 4kHz-6kHz
8. Air 6kHz-20kHz
https://audiblegenius.com/blog/audio-frequency-range-bands-chart

...you don't need to know these numbers, just 7 Dwarf guys

https://markastrella.blogspot.com/2009/11/i-was-asked-to-create-these-
little.html

I could give you numbers what frequency you think is too loud <220 Hz ... the range of 2,225 Hz or 2K ...or 10 K +

Does every instrument sound too loud?

https://audiblegenius.com/blog/audio-frequency-range-bands-chart

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The Bass range is what usually determines the “fatness” of a sound. Frequencies around 60-150Hz are what centers your bass elements, while 150-250Hz adds warmth.

Be careful when EQ’ing this frequency range, boost too much here, and you’ll end up with a boomy mix. Cut too much, and your mixes will start sounding thin, and lose definition.

Instruments have their own frequencies, in general they stay in their own section of the 'Orchestra' there are some natural sub-waves in an instrument and harmonic overtones as 'waves' naturally join up in the air just as water moves and waves visually join up in the sea, sounds can join up through harmonics and cancel each other out or create unwanted noise

In general the high pitched flute or Piccolo should stay 'High' the Bass should stay 'Low'
you can create gates and filters to keep instrument sounds in their own sections so they remain in their natural area and dont cross over creating unwanted interference

https://www.sineworld.com/html/basic_knowledge/freqchart.html

This guy on video talks about 'Bass' but its relative for any instrument

'The 7 Bad System Dwarf'

So now you should be able to describe what part of the track is loud, its 'Barky' for example or its 'Muddy'

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Tuesday, July 29, 2025 6:21 AM

once you get used to a DAW, the Digitail Audio Workstation can work with other 'plug-in' or apps, companies that sell plug ins to other software in alliance of bundles that work with other computers and software. They can have their own keyboard plug-ins, Guitar Fx, Reverb and Delay and artificial software 'Pedals' that act as real life Pedals on a Stage etc

For a particular noisy sound you want expanded or removed or maniuplated
You might be able to see the Envelop of sound in 'LMMS' propgram

Each instrument will have its own Envelop of sound...a stick hitting a Snare Drum has a certain Envelop of Sound, a finger plucking a a Guitar string, pressing on a Church Organ with this huge wall of sound as the air from the pipes bounce around a Cathedral...every instrument has its own Amplitude, Phase and Envelope...Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release

Frequency, Volume, Phase Cancelling the Envelop Picture is 10 mins into the vid

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Tuesday, July 29, 2025 6:22 AM

DAWs? what Digi Audio Workstation on your computer would suit you best? Some people say just try them all and see what Free ones suit you best there are also free demo trail-run versions of several DAWs

in general even in loud music people tend to keep it all below 85 dB that's where hearing damage occurs, 90+ will cause damage to hearing over time,
the Noise that gets uncomfortable or can damage?
https://nextlevel.alpacaaudiology.com/blog/how-much-noise-can-damage-y
our-ears/
Normal Conversation – 60-70 dB
Busy Street – 70-85 dB
Lawnmower – 85-90 dB
Pop Rap Rock Concerts in general are too loud '120 dB'

However if you are only exposed to loud sounds over a short period of time the chances of hearing damage are much less

LMMS Tutorial: Using spectrum analyser

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Tuesday, July 29, 2025 6:30 AM

Bitwig Studio vs. Cubase
https://slashdot.org/software/comparison/Bitwig-Studio-vs-Cubase/

BitWig vs Cubase
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=523428

The Seven Bad System Dwarfs
https://www.prosoundweb.com/the-seven-bad-system-dwarfs/

Quote:
Don’t be fooled by their diminutive stature and (sometimes) cute appearance – these little offenders have a long rap sheet filled with everything from simple charges of disturbing the peace to more flagrant offenses like system hijacking and mix vandalism.

LMMS linux multimedia studio, DAW - Digital Audio Workstation a software that puts a equipment of a music studio on an artificial software layout onto your computer work area

How To Use LMMS - Tutorial For Beginners (FREE DAW)

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Tuesday, July 29, 2025 6:58 AM

Wow man. I feel bad because that's probably way more information than I need, but I did say I didn't need Wings of Pegasus levels of perfection here.

mp3gain is close to what I was looking for. It purports to do what I want it to do, but it fails at the job. The problem is that it is hit or miss. It seems to do a good job, until it blatantly doesn't. Not at all reliable, and since there's very little that the end user can do or adjust under the hood, it is what it is.

I ended up spending a little while with all the files in a program called Ocenaudio and kind of did my best to do it by ear. It's a program similar to Audacity, but you're able to load up an entire folder of audio files in bulk and play them all along right together, while doing things easily like setting the beginning point for comparison wherever you'd like, so I always choose to start previews of the changes at the high points.

I did decent, but now that I have more experience I'm going to start over from scratch and do it again. These all need to sound good in relation to each other, but they also need to more or less match 2 other sets of things, where only one of which is slightly under my control and the other that I can't control is what all the volume adjustments need to be made around. And since I forgot to test for that first and did not lower the files I was working on nearly enough in tandem with each other while I was doing it manually, I don't trust it to auto correct all of them down properly now, so I'll just do it again a 2nd time. Should go quite a bit quicker, I would imagine.

Like I said, I don't need perfection here, but I don't want to be causing any easily avoidable jump scares either.

You asked about quality. They're all mp3 files but were from high quality originals and sound as good as I need them to sound as is.

I figured I'd mention something I found interesting to you. This "editing" that I've been doing to these files isn't really any actual altering of the original sound data as it was recorded. I'm not sure if, or how many other audio file formats/compressions out there make extensive use of metadata tags and support this, but these bulk gain programs are just altering the volume metadata for the mp3 file.

I haven't seen it explicitly stated and I always keep backup copies before messing around with something like this anyway, but that leads me to believe that even though these files are compressed to hell already I'm not actually further degrading them with any editing I'm doing and it's all fully reversible or easily changeable to somewhere in between for further testing.

I can probably beat on them pretty good and then just revert them back to square one if I wanted to start over again from scratch without needing to start with a fresh copy from the backup set.

Trivial information, indeed. But thought you might find it interesting.

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Saturday, August 2, 2025 5:37 AM

This is what I would call a professional mix, everything at the right levels all samples and sound channels done correct
but that's not a comment on how good the actual 'song' is for a tv show

IMO it was almost there as a 'song', just needed a little work, it just needed a child like catchy melodic jingle, a 'Hook' or Motif or Lyric to make it stand out a little more
took this from SIGNYM's bird flu thread.

but I was feeling maybe it was cut short and remixed for modern tv which have much shorter tv themes

ReGenesis Theme Song Season 4

Music by Behavior aka Michael McCann, Vocals by Andrea Revel

tv shows 'Series with Unforgettable music' not there yet?

so I searched
I found the original music and its far better as a full song
https://soundcloud.com/michaelmccannmusic/1-anywhere-but-here-regenesi
s

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Sunday, August 3, 2025 7:19 PM

Grimdark 40k videogame, Dance of the Cryptek

Mechanicus Soundtrack

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Sunday, August 3, 2025 8:47 PM

Man... Does this site just CRAWL for everyone now, or is it just me?

Started getting bad a month or two ago but it takes ages some times for pages to load now. Just getting them started sometimes. They'll just hang after you click a link for minutes sometimes. Then when you get 'em to load, if there are youtube videos up and down the page like there are in this thread, good luck ever getting them all to load up so you can see the most recent ones.

Oh... BTW...

I was able to fix my issues with the tools I mentioned above, Jaynez. It's not a studio perfect solution by any means, but I've still got a good ear and it all sounds about right to me now. There is nothing close to any jump scares going on anymore if somebody were to be wearing headphones with the volume up.

It turned out there were still one or two other variables that were out of my control that I wasn't aware of too, but they are off on the periphery and I was able to figure out a way to jerry rig it outside of the way it was coded to "fix" those too... Although Fix is probably giving it too much credit because if something else that is very likely to be altered/upgraded by somebody in the future were to be without also re-implementing my "fix", that part would be broke again until somebody tripped over it and fixed it again. Oh well.

So between any aspect the volume is all more or less even. And if somebody did ever want to further tweak it in certain parts, I'm leaving these new shortcuts I've made in place while synchronizing other things up, and doing my best to make all the shortcuts for volume controls identical across the board too, both on a global and lesser scales. Although the global should be great as-is and only be controlled now by the audio output source that the end-user is listening through. If anything, I was cautious and kept the global level on the softer than TV/Streaming side of things, but even with my ancient tech I can easily get everything loud enough on my end to be beyond annoying to me without blowing any speakers out.

MP3Gain, and whatever the name of the other program I mentioned work pretty great together for regulating volume once you get used to how they both work. A pretty simple solution to just get a group of MP3s that you have much closer to the same level than any pool of them you ever listen to likely are unless you've already taken time to tweak that yourself.

I know if I ever get around to putting my newer car stereo with the USB for the MP3 stick installed in the new car, I'll be doing this all over again with them too. It's not an automatic solution and that would be a project for sure, but it's a worthwhile one.

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Thursday, August 14, 2025 11:15 AM

Is Howard Stern Bald?

no he shaved his head put on a plastic blad cap and dressed like one of those LA soddomite gays

with Corey Feldman at a dance party?

AI bands and fooled audiences – A look into the case of The Velvet Sundown

https://www.music-news.com/news/Underground/183616/AI-bands-and-fooled
-audiences-A-look-into-the-case-of-The-Velvet-Sundown

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Friday, August 15, 2025 6:06 AM

Rapper Sean Kingston to be sentenced for $1 million fraud scheme in South Florida
https://www.ksat.com/entertainment/2025/08/15/rapper-sean-kingston-to-
be-sentenced-for-1-million-fraud-scheme-in-south-florida/

Spotify had to pull an AI-generated song that claimed to be from an artist who passed away 36 years ago
https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/spotify-ha
d-to-pull-an-ai-generated-song-that-claimed-to-be-from-an-artist-who-passed-away-36-years-ago

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Friday, August 15, 2025 7:42 AM

I believe I posted Tony Polecastro before but donn't think I posted this vid

vid was something different, I think I posted best Barre Chord Workout Exercise at early pages on thread

5 Alternate Tunings that Changed Acoustic Guitar

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Sunday, August 17, 2025 7:17 AM

Swedish music festival contest, determines the country's representative for the Eurovision Song Contest, and has been staged almost every year since 1959, festival has produced seven Eurovision winners and 26 top-five placings for Sweden in the contest.

Jeffery Epstein In 1985 At Melodifestivale

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Monday, August 18, 2025 3:46 PM

The Swan of Tuonela - Sibelius, NHK Symphony Orchestra

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Sunday, August 24, 2025 12:21 PM

8 JAZZ MUSICIANS THAT GET ON MY WICK

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Tuesday, August 26, 2025 6:18 AM

Japan Metal Girls and Thai Rock

LEAVE IT ALL BEHIND is a song collaboration between BABYMETAL, F.HERO and Bobyslam

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Friday, August 29, 2025 7:21 AM

Banned in the USSR: the 38 “dangerous” artists the USSR removed from circulation

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/38-dangerous-artists-the-ussr-banned/

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Saturday, August 30, 2025 1:59 AM

There's always been a certain type of song that I've always been drawn to, often times without me even realizing it for years. This is one that I posted here a few summers ago when I'd heard it while working out in the garage. It's since been on my rotation, but as amazing as Brandi Carlile's voice is, there are a LOT of lyrics that I never understood and didn't even do a great job filling in no matter how many times I listened to it.

But something told me that I needed to look at the lyrics tonight...

Something is happening. A sense of clarity that I never felt before. Maybe all I needed was nearly a decade of sobriety under my belt to finally achieve it.

For some reason, maybe on a subconscious level, I just knew that I had perfect understanding of this song today when I heard it while doing yardwork outside, even though I still didn't know more than half of the words to it until tonight.

And now that I've learned them, aside from her speaking for herself as a Woman, it may as well be my song. It wasn't a song about being broken. It was a song about being reborn. It's not a song about running. It's a song about running free, and no longer being tethered by outside forces that don't matter and hold no power over you anymore. And the only running you NEED to be doing anymore unless you feel like running is away from the grip of the narcissists and the manipulators. Until you finish mending up those fences and build up that perimeter where you no longer even need to run for any reason unless you feel like it.

No religion or self-help books or pills or group therapy required. An honest awakening.

Similarly, I would suspect, this is how Lauren Hill felt when she wrote "Killing me Softly" about the young man singing her life with his words...

I understand every single word, and it may resonate with me more than any other song I've ever felt before. I only wish there were more of it. I should listen to the whole album.

This was a woman who's been to hell and back and finally learned to trust herself. And I'll bet in real life she's one hell of a lady for it now.

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Saturday, August 30, 2025 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Similarly, I would suspect, this is how Lauren Hill felt when she wrote "Killing me Softly" about the young man singing her life with his words...

Jaynze probably isn't going to like this song, but he might if he gives it a real listen.

Say what you want about Lauryn Hill, and knowing full well what she said she thought about white people when she was young and dumb, but I've been a huge fan of hers since I saw her in Sister Act II. What a voice.

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Sunday, August 31, 2025 10:04 PM

Love that I found a 20 minute loop of Blinding Lights by The Weeknd. Going to have to get that on my mp3 player. They've got a 10 hour version, but as much of a banger as the song is I think that type of repetition would probably drive me mad by the end of the day.

So 80's it's awesome.

That keyboard gets me every time.

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Sunday, August 31, 2025 10:11 PM

To note, this is why I get pissed off when you hear people talking about cultural appropriation...

I didn't even know that this was a black dude when I first heard it on the radio a few years ago when coming back from helping my friend working on his house and he told me who did it. I was looking for lyrics and saw an article about the lead singer and songwriter Abel, who was born in the 90's and grew up in Canada, was a huge fan of 80's music. I don't get the idea that most of his music is anything like this one, but it was like his love letter to that decade of music.

80's pop was decidedly an almost exclusively white phenomena, with early MTV in there too. It really wasn't until "Yo MTV Raps" came on that black music from the 90's started moving from "the hood" to the mainstream.

But how the hell could anyone hate on somebody for putting out an 80's banger like this when it's so good. My world is just a little better with this song in it.

Thanks buddy.

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Friday, September 5, 2025 4:27 AM

6 Levels of MICROTONES (in Video Game Music)

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What a voice.

a really bad Roberta Flack, Peabo Bryson impersonation / rip-off

if you are into these types of vocals it might be the final step before 'homosexuality'
I think she sings like teen gay male with bad vibe, an effeminate dude with bad attitude and no brains
sometimes 'Prince' would annoy me with his 'attitude' and falsetto, the weird balanced tone on the high pitches in a singer’s voice and dress up wardrobe, his diva nature but as a musician I give him respect he was incredible

I think even Drunk even if I was having a party with Reggae people and almost 'Stoned out of my Mind' I would still dislike it.

That song hjas been played many many times on the radio for me, its dumb teenie boop and x-factor juvenile so I'm not listening to it again.

Everyone has different tastes, but for me the voclaists are dumb, are usually the last person in the band. I usually listen from the botom up Cello, groove, Bass line so I dont really take notice of vocalists unless they actually can write lyrics for example Bob Dylan or they put on an energetic performance Tina Turner for example. Or the person is at the top of the game 'Opera' for example but I'm not into Opera I just respect the training and skill involved and ....song and dance folk songs? another I might the groove or phrasing of songs, Samba Forró Rumba Portuguese vocal dance songs the Gypsy Spanish Caribbean Salsa dance vocals, the Balkan folk dance vocals or Hindi India Hindu dance songs I try to catch all sounds not just 'words' all instrumentation so at times the vocalist almost doesnt exist, the vocals usually just annoy me being out of time and out of tune or just boring and put to the grid like a machine, everything in auto tune

vocals are just one of many instruments, the human voice instrument so in the larger wall of sound they mostly dont exist

most Lyrics are boring to me

I do respect some vocals the American-born Italian-Greek soprano, Italian operatic tenor, French-American operatic soprano and actress ...it wasnt all Metropolitan Opera in New York City, they sometimes did tv or movies or radio, the Ed Sullivan show, the Welsh or Russian or Spainish or Canadian baritone, the mixed Maori and European woman who is allowed to be a NZ 'Diva' moving from pop to Classical, growing up in a poor remote corner of New Zealand, and ended up one of the world’s most famous opera singers. I respect the people who do incredible work and training for their voice and are allowed have 'attitude' because they have done so much work in life.
I'm not an elite-ish guy not an elitist I do like some simple Country Blues the Pop Folk song or one with Bluegrass roots, I like some pop or world music folk songs or blues or rock or whatever but I can't understand why some very mediocre vocalists are pushed out there, completely over-rated and worshipped by zombies masses that just consume the garbage of radio pop.

She stole the song, its not hers
I rarely take notice of vocals, most vocalists I find annoying. I might strum a guitar, hitting some bangs some beats on a drum, play a bassline or play some chords with groove on piano, I usually listen out to harmonize with 'The Band' the beats and subdivisions catch the pulse and drive and have fun with the rhythm section....there really isn't anything interesting in that song.

I remember 'Fugees' funk and hip-hop but completely overplayed....some stuff I would hear a lot and depending what part of the world you might be in you could hear stuff like Enigma, an Aussie pop band, a K-pop band or whatever the local radios of the cities would play. You would hear Queen or old US Blues Jazz or some Beatles or some cliche Classical Music Orchestra song and I still would not get tired of it but 'Fugees' was boring and tiresome
Depending where you are you might hear 'Las Ketchup - Asereje The Ketchup Song' a disco song played EVERYWHERE
You might always hear Crazy Frog, Nirvana, Céline Dion, Whitney Houston all over played...Sherry Baby by the Vocal guys 'Four Seasons' very annoying sound. Anything by that guy Boy George Culture Club is just creepy. They tried pushing willow smith whip my hair all over the radios, by this time the internet was a thing and radio dying. Aretha Franklin she's an incredible singer, never got over-played for me.

Some songs can be played a lot and they dont annoy me.
For some reason Tina Turner or Led Zeppelin or Soul Dixieland Marching Band stuff or Carlos Santana, Dire Straits Mark Knopfler never annoying, never bothered me never grating on me I always found the music interesting
while I think vocals suck like Nirvana stinks some bands do have good players despite their lead vocals being these suicidal demanding self-centered primadonna Nirvana nutjobs, the Serb Croat American Krist was a good bass player and Dave Grohl is a legend

Fugees Killing Me Softly
This song is dead inside and its overplayed, its just terrible, plastic hollow and annoying...but that's my ear

Completely empty for me
songs that hype California or sing about how great California is ...annoying over played
Bieber and Brit rockpop is typically over played, so is Gangnam Style
I think she also pissed off the Jewish Israeli media guys, she said something about them and Arabs not that I pick sides in any of that Jew Palestine crap but it might explain other troubles from sandbox people with money who are less able to tolerate her BS.

Killing Me Softly Fugees?
no chords, no groove, I think its just an A minor an F seventh, E minor the beat is extremely boring
I would probably quit the band rather than play it
dont like it as a song unless it was done differently, reharmonized Classic orchestra style, better banjo groove added or made 'jazzy' or something

if I remember it was maybe 2 Christian White guys and some Jewish guy who did the song inspired by Don McLean Bye Bye Miss American Pie performance but they didnt own it
so the record company passed it around to whatever person could do good karaoke X-factor performance
Roberta Flack was the original Black Culture the African American girl singing it.
She put jazz and heart and soul into the performance.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-press-democrat/166738291/

I think Universal or Sony Record Songs or someone with other record company catalogues eventually became the song owners

that song Fugees Killing Me Softly I never chose to listen to it, they are always forced out over the airwaves, not quiet noise pollution at least there are chords
I think her singing maybe got better for a while as she returned to religion stuff I don't know I didnt listen to much of her
she tried to hook up with old band mates to make music again but they were sick of her, she was demanding to be called "Ms. Hill" and considered changing her moniker to "Empress" maybe turned up 'stoned' or drunk or late feeling a bit baked after smoking too much of that Bob Marley Reggae stuff
https://web.archive.org/web/20130419151359/http://www.people.com/peopl
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Tried selling just using her own name but would turn up two and a half hours late to a 'concert' they arrive at ten and she the princess primadona doesnt get to the club until half past midnight just before the doors close. She went to jail for a while on counts of tax fraud then went touring again to pay back money and was supposed to be at some Swedistani Jazz Festival but she never showed up.

Fugees...is it music, maybe I guess its better than screaming punk or that rage vocal monster war cry in Heavy Metal or 'Rap' so technically it is musical-ish.
voice? its one of those OVER-PLAYED songs

She is not the worst, there are far worse songs out there 'Who Let the Dogs Out' for example from some jungle in the Caribbean, some kind of disco beat jungle breakbeat jukanoo 'song' with barking sounds, truly marking the decline of the West

I think Sony or Columbia Records or one of the big names bought all her material
she was the cover of Time, one of the most hyped 'musicians'

and Sister Act is a good movie

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So 80's it's awesome.

That keyboard gets me every time.

its a bit silly but I like it and you can hear the mix style of Karl Martin Sandberg or the Swedish guy 'Max Martin', is everywhere. 96%-97% of all hits these past decades are made by a few audio engineering producers, Max Martin being one of those names.

I think it would work as a modern soundtrack to some thriller horror, is it a soundtrack?
if it came on the radio I would allow it to play through and have a listen again

most radio I hate

but this is a song to enjoy

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So 80's it's awesome.

That keyboard gets me every time.

its a bit silly but I like it and you can hear the mix style of Karl Martin Sandberg or the Swedish guy 'Max Martin', is everywhere. 96%-97% of all hits these past decades are made by a few audio engineering producers, Max Martin being one of those names.

I think it would work as a modern soundtrack to some thriller horror, is it a soundtrack?
if it came on the radio I would allow it to play through and have a listen again

most radio I hate

but this is a song to enjoy

I don't know if it was on a soundtrack. I only heard it on the radio that one time and I think it was years after it had come out. That was a few years ago. The real music video is around 5 minutes, but has an annoying part that the music just stops and they're doing some video shit in the middle. The real radio song is probably only like 3.5 minutes long. That was a 20 minute loop, and actually not a very good one because you can totally tell where they looped it. I've done much better loops of my own before.

Yeah. It's a jam. I'm not much of a dancer, but I can groove to this one.

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and Sister Act is a good movie

Sure was.

Sister Act 2 was not a very good movie.

Lauryn Hill stole the show for sure though.

But it gets pretty cringe and embarrassing quickly when Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer come out and bounce around the stage. Yikes.

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Friday, September 5, 2025 1:35 PM

No I havent seen Sister Act part II

maybe its time to make a list of musicals we all tolerate

everyone is talking KPop Demon Hunters, I have not seen, might avoid it. Something strange has happened the musical, they used to be able to do them well but now they can rank among the worst movies ever made, the assraped Joker Folie à Deux
so maybe I should make a list of Musical film I tolerate, stage theater puppet disney type film music stuff and Music Movies that I 'tolerate'...some site uploaded the new 'Wicked' I couldnt watch it at all...seemed like garbage

'The Muppet Movie' was good
all the old 1930s era Fred Astaire you had all these real dancers post silent era cinema, it was just great performance. Black, White doing their incredible rhythm stuff from the era of Jazz and the Charleston dance. The Golden Age was incredible, no CGI, they often had to do it all in one take, Singin' in the Rain would be there. 50s and 60s was still there post War Golden Age Mary Poppins 1960s, you had international flavors the French Cancan, Westside Story...there were also a lot of Slavic Arab Orthodox Eastern Arabic influential films until the Soviets and Jihad islamos started taking over and banning stuff, Russian East Europeans breaking out into song and dance before Communists shut it all. 'Days and Nights' would be one, I think its Egyptian actors or French Arabic a look into a more Western looking Arab culture before it all shut down.
I might put Hong Kong Nocturne there its like a silly version of Beatles Hard Days Night, Austin Powers or The Monkees but set in Asia. ¡Ay Carmela! could be on the List the closing months of the Spanish Civil War, but I guess you could put any number of Brazil Hispanic Latin American dance movies on the list.
maybe Rocky Horror Would be on 'The List' its so weird funny creepy and 'out there' with its outlandish nutty scenes!

I guess Purple Rain might be there on that creepy disturbing European flick 'Dancer in the Dark'
The Doors 1991 was well done and Ray a 2004 biographical drama film focusing on musician Ray Charles...perhaps comedy 'Top Secret!' was better?
maybe O Brother, Where Art Thou? does that qualify as a musical. A lot of people praise the Japan anime Blue Giant.
The Phantom of the Opera, Gerard Butler, Emmy Rossum, Patrick Wilson I think there's a lot of post-processing and studio vocals and genius work of musicians and Andrew Lloyd Webber 'magic' and edits to get those vocals sounding the way they do.
La Bamba Lou Diamond Phillips
and Amadeus 1984 a classic
I might throw in the British comedy troupe Monty Python before Britain went Soviet-Jihad Orweliian and took offense to everything.
1986 Labrynth with Bowie, Jennifer Connelly and all that fantastic puppetry and Goblin monster song was fun
'Cabaret' maybe that also makes the list.

Maybe spoofs like 'Top Secret!'would be included afterall movies are entertainment? This Is Spinal Tap, Walk Hard The Dewey Cox Story a spoof of Johnny Cash, Ray Charles and careers of other notable musicians including Roy Orbison, Glen Campbell.

Would you include animation in the list or movies that are less musical and more 'movie' but maybe with an iconic 'musical' scene.
'The Blues Brothers' was a blast, hilarious film
I enjoyed most India Bollywood stuff but I dont watch much of it.
then there are lists of stuff I have yet to watch 'True Stories' by David Byrne is supposed to be pretty good but I never seen it, I never seen Little Shop Of Horrors I know it might be a musical Ive seen clips with Steve Martin, Bill Murray I dont know if the original was also a musical? Lagaan Once Upon a Time in India is another people talked of online but I never seen it and La La Land another I have yet to see but some people loved it.
I never got to see 'The Producers' another spoof parody people enjoyed. The Return of Captain Invincible was a Superman-ish Xmen spoof not everyone thinks it worked but it had some fans.

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No I havent seen Sister Act part II

If you liked the first one, you should watch the 2nd one at least once. I haven't seen either of them in decades now, but I did see the first one in the theaters and my grandma really liked both of them so I saw them quite a few times when I was being bounced around between 4 houses with my brothers for years after the folks got divorced. Never really cared too much about the 2nd one, but liked the singing.

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maybe its time to make a list of musicals we all tolerate

Is Sister Act REALLY a musical though? I guess you'd have to define musical. They have a lot to do with singing, but if I were to guess, more than half the runtime of both movies was not singing. I guess that Google AI considers it a musical. I dunno.

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everyone is talking KPop Demon Hunters, I have not seen, might avoid it. Something strange has happened the musical, they used to be able to do them well but now they can rank among the worst movies ever made, the assraped Joker Folie à Deux
so maybe I should make a list of Musical film I tolerate, stage theater puppet disney type film music stuff and Music Movies that I 'tolerate'...some site uploaded the new 'Wicked' I couldnt watch it at all...seemed like garbage

I have zero interest in ever watching any of these, even the KPOP Demon Hunters.

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'The Muppet Movie' was good
all the old 1930s era Fred Astaire you had all these real dancers post silent era cinema, it was just great performance. Black, White doing their incredible rhythm stuff from the era of Jazz and the Charleston dance. The Golden Age was incredible, no CGI, they often had to do it all in one take, Singin' in the Rain would be there. 50s and 60s was still there post War Golden Age Mary Poppins 1960s, you had international flavors the French Cancan, Westside Story...there were also a lot of Slavic Arab Orthodox Eastern Arabic influential films until the Soviets and Jihad islamos started taking over and banning stuff, Russian East Europeans breaking out into song and dance before Communists shut it all. 'Days and Nights' would be one, I think its Egyptian actors or French Arabic a look into a more Western looking Arab culture before it all shut down.

Been ages since I've seen The Muppet Movie, but that's another one my grandma had on Laserdisc when her sister died and gave her the player and about 500 movies with it. I like the Kermit/Rainbow song. It's been so long since I've seen that movie that I don't even remember any other songs from it or how much of the runtime was songs.

I'd never watch Mary Poppins today, but I saw it once or twice with my mom when I was little. I didn't hate it. Never seen any of the others there.

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I might put Hong Kong Nocturne there its like a silly version of Beatles Hard Days Night, Austin Powers or The Monkees but set in Asia. ¡Ay Carmela! could be on the List the closing months of the Spanish Civil War, but I guess you could put any number of Brazil Hispanic Latin American dance movies on the list.
maybe Rocky Horror Would be on 'The List' its so weird funny creepy and 'out there' with its outlandish nutty scenes!

Rocky Horror is crazy. Not something I would go out of my way to see. I think the only way I'd ever watch that again is if my brother and his friends went to one of those weekend theater showings or something, just to see how crazy the crowd acts and to stand out like a sore thumb because you wouldn't catch me dead dressing up like they do. Say what you want about Susan Serandon, but she looked amazing in that flick in her knickers.

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I guess Purple Rain might be there on that creepy disturbing European flick 'Dancer in the Dark'
The Doors 1991 was well done and Ray a 2004 biographical drama film focusing on musician Ray Charles...perhaps comedy 'Top Secret!' was better?
maybe O Brother, Where Art Thou? does that qualify as a musical. A lot of people praise the Japan anime Blue Giant.
The Phantom of the Opera, Gerard Butler, Emmy Rossum, Patrick Wilson I think there's a lot of post-processing and studio vocals and genius work of musicians and Andrew Lloyd Webber 'magic' and edits to get those vocals sounding the way they do.
La Bamba Lou Diamond Phillips
and Amadeus 1984 a classic
I might throw in the British comedy troupe Monty Python before Britain went Soviet-Jihad Orweliian and took offense to everything.
1986 Labrynth with Bowie, Jennifer Connelly and all that fantastic puppetry and Goblin monster song was fun
'Cabaret' maybe that also makes the list.

Labrynth was great. Not sure if I'd call that a musical either. Ditto for La Bamba. My brother loves Top Secret but I really did not like that movie. Never seen any of those other ones, including Purple Rain, believe it or not.

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Maybe spoofs like 'Top Secret!'would be included afterall movies are entertainment? This Is Spinal Tap, Walk Hard The Dewey Cox Story a spoof of Johnny Cash, Ray Charles and careers of other notable musicians including Roy Orbison, Glen Campbell.

I've also never seen Spinal Tap. If comparing Top Secret to other spoof movies, I'd probably have to rank it pretty high even though I didn't care for it. If there's one genre of movies I hate more than Horror, it's Spoof flicks. But just like Musicals, there are exceptions to the rule. TS just isn't one of those for me.

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Would you include animation in the list or movies that are less musical and more 'movie' but maybe with an iconic 'musical' scene.
'The Blues Brothers' was a blast, hilarious film
I enjoyed most India Bollywood stuff but I dont watch much of it.
then there are lists of stuff I have yet to watch 'True Stories' by David Byrne is supposed to be pretty good but I never seen it, I never seen Little Shop Of Horrors I know it might be a musical Ive seen clips with Steve Martin, Bill Murray I dont know if the original was also a musical? Lagaan Once Upon a Time in India is another people talked of online but I never seen it and La La Land another I have yet to see but some people loved it.

Blues Brothers was great. Can't think of a single song from it, although I remember the Franklin Diner scene. That movie just had so much going for it otherwise that I could overlook the musical parts.

Little Shop of Horrors was always my big exception to my I Hate Musicals rule. I haven't seen it in decades, but I have no doubt I could go back and watch it now and I'd still love it. The original movie was not a musical. It was pretty boring actually, but it was fun watching it and comparing it to the 80's musical version. I thought it was hilarious that when I saw it for $3 in a WalMart bargain DVD bin, they had Jack Nicholson's face on the cover "Starring Jack Nicholson" and he was only in the movie for like 2 minutes. He played the Bill Murry Part; the masochist who went to the Dentist because he got off on the pain.

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I never got to see 'The Producers' another spoof parody people enjoyed. The Return of Captain Invincible was a Superman-ish Xmen spoof not everyone thinks it worked but it had some fans.

My uncle raved about The Producers. The one time I rented it, I made the mistake of trying to watch it with one of my friends. TBH... I wasn't very into it myself, but once the early singing started my friend said "what the hell are we watching man... I'm out" and that was it. I didn't even watch it alone before returning it. One night when I was drinking some beers with my uncle we happened to catch part of it, so I finally did get to see the "Springtime for Hitler" bit. That was funny.

But I'm glad I knew what I knew about it years later when there was a 2 part episode ending one of the seasons of Curb Your Enthusiasm where the entire season's main story arc was Larry David preparing for his starring role in the play. The plot twist came pretty late when it was intermission and you saw Mel Brooks and Anne Bancroft (playing themselves) getting sloshed at the bar because the performance was going so well. They were trying to do a pump and dump just like the movie, and they thought that casting Larry David would make everybody hate the performance and because it was doing so well they were going to lose a ton of money.

I thought they ended that episode and season great, because almost every single episode of that show up until that point ended with Larry looking like a huge asshole and everybody hating him, and to see him get lifted up by the cast at the end with a huge smile on his face to a standing ovation was funny as hell to me.

So... I guess looking back on that list, a big part of me even being able to tolerate a musical is that it needs to have a real story underneath it for me to be invested at all. The music alone doesn't cut it. And if there's more than 50% of the runtime dedicated to songs, I'm not going to watch much of it. I don't mind a few songs in a movie, but with rare exception I think my limit might be like 1 song every half hour or I can't tolerate it.

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