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What is Putin's end game?

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Saturday, March 19, 2022 1:23 PM

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Saturday, March 19, 2022 1:24 PM

THG



Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Of course: make shit up, publish misleading photos, blame Russia!






Poor Signym, poor Russia. The world is watching in horror as Russia slaughters the old, women and children, the innocent. And during this comrade Signym and Putin play the victims. Poor me poor me they say.

Signym, because of propagandists like you and unquestionably because of Putin, your beloved Russia is coming to an abysmal end. Yes, a terrible appalling end. It is certain, there is no stopping it now.

Posts in these threads or even the current propaganda spewed by Putin cannot change the facts. What do you think your lies will accomplish comrade? At best they sever as a temporary band aid to slow the bleeding. Still Signym, the truth about what’s going on is like a leaking dam. New leaks are emerging in Russia every second and they cannot be fixed. In the end the result is going to be the same. The death of Russia as it is for a very very long time. Your beloved Putin is now taking his place in China’s back pocket.

And comrade, I told you so.


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Saturday, March 19, 2022 1:27 PM

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Pay no mind to the Ted-Bot.

Its brain has been hacked by Klaus Schwab.



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Saturday, March 19, 2022 2:14 PM

SIGNYM

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Saturday, March 19, 2022 3:25 PM

THG



I see Signym is posting photos and videos of her family gatherings again. Signym, these photos belong in your gardens thread. Not to worry, I'll put them there comrade.

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Saturday, March 19, 2022 3:26 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


There are reporst Putin is testing out his new Military toys of Death

tested new missile? The latest hypersonic weapon



Biden calls Putin a ‘murderous dictator’ as Ukraine civilian toll mounts, war crimes chorus grows


https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3170932/biden-calls-put
in-murderous-dictator-ukraine-civilian-toll-mounts



Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:



I agree with the gist of what you are saying, especially the "he might be nuts." My belief is that even though Ukraine is a melting pot of sorts, that Putin's violent, unprovoked attack on all of Ukraine, men women and children, will only make all Ukrainians feel closer together, more unified. I have heard some reports of that already. Old rivalries are forgotten or put on hold while the country addresses a significantly larger issue: Survival. Nothing like a common enemy to unite people.
The one thing that feels certain is Putin's past behavior is a solid predictor of his current and future behavior. He's a lying, evil POS, and thank god most of the civilized world sees that.



I don't know all these cities in Ukraine but they now seem to be hitting the Far West of Ukraine not far from the Polish border, maybe to blow up what the Russians think are re-supplies for the Underground Patriot Resistance movements? Yet these Russians have almost avoided fighting near Lozova, Dnipropetrovsk, are they going to bypass these areas and hit from the rear in the central part of Ukraine? That sounds almost silly and impossible but what if these Russians surrounded everything else, had a military advantage and shut down the heart of the government and surrounded everything else in a larger rear outflanking attack from both the North and South, splitting Ukraine.

There was one big movement thing on the ground I had not considered. The larger pincer movement attack, a military attack by two coordinated forces that close in on a position from different directions. I'm no expert in this stuff and never went to war but I guess I have read history and sometimes I see things. One thing I had not considered is that Russia might use some kind of giant Crab claw pincer claw movement, you seen this repeated many times in old wars, in board games, in video games and in historical battles. In my first drawing map picture I made a crude image of Ukraine and colored Red what I thought Russia or Putin might be going for. I thought they might want to push past the river and leave some cities or Ukraine areas surrounded or trapped.

However I did not see they could make a much larger claw movement, out flank them maneuver around and behind the flank of an opposing force and what if these Ukraine areas are much, much bigger and they have no desire to control them yet, because they are resuppling now and planning a bigger movement, leaving their troops in place until they get more fuel and more ammo, and then when they are well stocked. They are going ignore Lubny, ignore Poltava etc maybe to make a massive Crab claw pincer claw movement.
Chernihiv now completely surrounded, the Capital Kiev or Kyiv surrounded, then Kherson surrounded, Mykolaiv Oblast surrounded all they have to do is join the claw, make it pinch and they have everything cut off, the local Ukraine resistance is putting up a good fight but we must also consider there are regions Russians seem to ignore and other areas are seen as better wins, they view its importance in battle differently. It's difficult to know what Ruskies are doing, they seem to be chaotic and almost incompetent at times, they should not be hyped up but they should not be under estimated either, maybe the Russians have planned a larger movement. Many say Putin is going more crazy, he is surrounded by yes men who are afraid of him and will never question his orders, perhaps the crazy Putin has gone mad and wildly miscalculated. Russia if it is pushing the claw surround movement it might try to make the large claw movement soon, the longer this conflict continues the better Ukraine will be positioned to defend itself. Although again I'm not sure if some of this is all psychological, bully and strave and siege them out, a different tactic or Russian air power and artillery have been used sparingly, rather than outright invade totally and bomb they cut their power and food and strave them by seige warfare. It seems Ukraine can hold them off a while in street to street fighting but also Russia has an old Soviet era mindset, the New Russian Federation is itself an inept organization at times incapable basic battlefield functions. Ukraine has ships or had ships and Ukraine has a number of fighter aircraft bomber airplanes but it is small and the Russians have better Airforce Naval tech and outnumber the Ukrainians by a significant margin.

Added on top of this, a need to get people out, on top of all this are all the civilians suffering and innocents dying

and reports distorted and changed so it can be difficult to tell what is really going on in the fog of war. Funding and gun running for an independent resistance might continue as a growing number of Ukrainians live in the EU. There might be a level of life-experience to this war, some older Ukraine vet people know their own turf, the Russians are sometimes almost kids forced to join a military and go to war, also the importance of morale. Maybe Russians plan this pinch movement to outflank them and use the siege warfare and wear people down with no power no food in the blockade of a city. Internationally and politically many in Europe and the USA want to support Ukraine but Arab States and India and African States and some South American nations are not fully denouncing Russia’s Ukraine war either, they seem to continue trade with the Russian government, even Germany will continue buying fuel from the Russians. There are reports of Russia’s odd almost insane strategic decisions plus the ferocity of Ukraine’s resistance. There also are news reports the fighters in Ukraine have good heart to defeat the invaders, the Drone Pilots are Reportedly Making a Difference, while Anti-Tank missiles are doing Great Damage to the Russian Army.

However something else might also be happening. Maybe the Russians are planning a larger movement.

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Saturday, March 19, 2022 3:26 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:






That’s a great one T!

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Saturday, March 19, 2022 3:30 PM

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I thought so too G.

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Saturday, March 19, 2022 3:40 PM

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OMG Sig! Thx for showing those images of nazis in Ukraine! Looks like Charlottesville or Proud Boyz!

Uh, remind why how that justifies Putin invading Ukraine and killing civilians?


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Saturday, March 19, 2022 5:00 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
OMG Sig! Thx for showing those images of nazis in Ukraine! Looks like Charlottesville or Proud Boyz!

Uh, remind why how that justifies Putin invading Ukraine and killing civilians?


To prevent the genocide of Russian speaking Ukrainians.


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Saturday, March 19, 2022 5:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:OMG Sig! Thx for showing those images of nazis in Ukraine! Looks like Charlottesville or Proud Boyz!

Uh, remind why how that justifies Putin invading Ukraine and killing civilians?


To prevent the genocide of Russian speaking Ukrainians.





Dugin! Dugin! Dugin! So genocide Ukies is okay? Putin’s version of the Stalin Purges are on in Ukraine. And Russia. History repeats. All for one evil prick. Russia should work on genociding that fcker.

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Saturday, March 19, 2022 5:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
To prevent the genocide of Russian speaking Ukrainians.

1) Putin said his forces invaded Ukraine because a genocide was underway against Russian-speakers. People in Ukraine say that claim is a hoax.
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/11/1085979641/putin-claims-russia-speakers
-were-being-killed-in-ukraine-is-that-true


2) Putin said the genocide of Ukrainians did NOT happen in 1932-1934. Putin said it's a hoax.
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide


3) Ukraine is still infuriated about the genocide of Ukrainians by Russians. That fury is no hoax.
Starved peasants on a street in Kharkiv, 1933

Ukraine Oblast Deaths (1932-1934)
Kyiv Oblast 1,110,800
Kharkiv Oblast 1,037,600
Vinnytsia Oblast 545,500
Dnipropetrovsk Oblast 368,400
Odesa Oblast 326,900
Chernihiv Oblast 254,200
Stalino Oblast 230,800
Tyraspol 68,300
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, March 19, 2022 9:08 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
There are reporst Putin is testing out his new Military toys of Death

tested new missile? The latest hypersonic weapon


The weapons have already been tested.
What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial".
It's second function was "sending a message to the west" (considering the target).

It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach, but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first.

"Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag").

Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all
https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-inva
sion-ukraine
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Saturday, March 19, 2022 11:18 PM

SIGNYM

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The areas that Armstrong, Doctorow and I describe have largely Russian speaking pro-Russian populations. Yesterday some 30,000 people left the besiege Mariupol and several of them were interviewed. They all spoke out against the Azov Nazis who still hold parts of the city. They likely would not mind to become citizens of a newly founded Novorossiya that does not submit to a Russian hating government in Kiev or elsewhere.



https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/what-will-be-the-geographic-end-
state-of-the-war-in-ukraine.html#more



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Saturday, March 19, 2022 11:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


At the end of the day, my predictions for all of this gaslight is that the eastern part of Ukraine will be completely stripped of all military and will essentially belong to Russia along with Crimea, and the rest of the Ukraine will put in writing that they will not join NATO in the future.

It's the only way this ever ends. It's the only way it ever was going to end.

Biden* will be able to add this to his ever-growing list of failures, and China and Russia will become even stronger in relation to the US/Western alliance, all while the US dollar becomes increasingly threatened to be a relic of the past.

All this political theater is just one more chapter in the story about how we developed a centralized one-world currency and enslaved humanity with it.

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Sunday, March 20, 2022 7:42 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


American military expert explains 'slow Russian advance in Ukraine
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/272396124/american-military-expert
-explains-slow-russian-advance-in-ukraine


IOC removes Belarus coaches after they ordered sprinter to return home
https://thedailycable.co/08/06/politics/199734/ioc-removes-belarus-coa
ches-after-they-ordered-sprinter-to-return-home
/

Pope says 'slaughters and atrocities' committed daily in Ukraine
https://ground.news/article/pope-says-slaughters-and-atrocities-commit
ted-daily-in-ukraine_590712


Liz Cheney Blasts 'Putin Wing of the GOP' After Ret. Col. Macgregor's Zelensky Remarks
https://www.newsweek.com/liz-cheney-blasts-putin-wing-gop-macgregor-ze
lensky-remarks-1685269


Europe KyivUkraine war: Thousands of Mariupol residents 'forcibly' taken to Russia, mayor claims
https://ground.news/article/ukraine-war-thousands-of-mariupol-resident
s-forcibly-taken-to-russia-mayor-claims_b13c3f


Russia claims to hit Ukraine with hypersonic missile, expert warns it is part of Putin’s ‘strategic plan’
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-claims-hit-ukraine-hypersonic-2025238
33.html


Putin fires hypersonic missile capable of Mach 10 at Ukrainian target
https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/03/19/putin-fires-hypersonic-missile-c
apable-of-mach-10-at-ukrainian-target
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Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:16 AM

SIGNYM

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Another letter from people who managed to get out of Mariupol. Emotional, chaotic, saturated with resentment against the Ukrainian authorities and the military.

“Now Kolya’s sister from Belgium was talking to their cousin Sasha from Mariupol… she got out, alive, but covered in burns and with a broken psyche. Now in Taganrog.

Mariupol is full of horror. This Sasha from Mariupol is cursing the Ukrainian military. They staged this massacre in the city …. Residents were not released, those who tried to leave were shot. Before Sasha’s eyes, two buses with the inscription “Children” were blown up, it was a convoy of cars that the Russians covered so that the inhabitants left the city, and at that time they were fired upon …

In the city, corpses are right on the roads, no one cleans them up. According to Sasha, the Ukrainian military simply entered any apartment (if they needed a location for shelling) and killed the residents. She saw how people were thrown from the balcony.

When the Russians entered the city, they began to rescue the inhabitants from the rubble (there, too, the Ukrainian Nazis themselves blew up many houses in order to have more victims, Ukrainian snipers began to fire at them, they continued to save the wounded people …. Sasha curses Zelensky. And asks Marina (sisters Kolya) where do you get such news in the west? There is not a single eyewitness journalist in Mariupol … “


http://thesaker.is/boris-rozhin-detailed-discussion-of-the-situation-i
n-the-ukraine
/

One of the things I was wondering about was the lack of eyewitness reports or refugee testimony. With 3 million refugees, you'd think they would be anxious to tell their stories and that the press would be anxious to pick those stories up.

I read, for example, refugee statements on the IRC website, and I noticed a few things:

They were all from the Polish border. Does the IRC not operate Russia, Hungary etc?

Even so, altho you would expect those fleeing into Poland to be more pro-western, there were NO anti-Russian/ pro-Ukrainian statements anywhere. In fact, the statements, altho they are given as direct quotes, have been carefully scrubbed of anything political, most likely bc of IRC policy, and don't reflect the real feelings of the refugees.

Anyway, with 3 million eyewitnesses, you'd think the press would be awash in eyewitness statements on ALL sides, but the silence is deafening.

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Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:23 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
There are reporst Putin is testing out his new Military toys of Death

tested new missile? The latest hypersonic weapon


The weapons have already been tested.
What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial".
It's second function was "sending a message to the west" (considering the target).

It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach, but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first.

"Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag").

Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all
https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-inva
sion-ukraine
/






You keep lying to yourself Signym, that’s what you’re good at.

Zelensky will lie to get Russia out. No agreement signed by the Ukrainian President will be legit since he has a gun held to his head. Then as Ukraine rebuilds accepting them into NATO will happen at record speed. Not having Ukraine in NATO is what allowed this to happen. Europe will do anything to avoid this happening again. Zelensky will explain how Putin broke all previous agreements allowing him to do the same.

No way will Russia have enough of an army left to go back. No way will Russia have money to field another campaign. The sanctions will stay in place until there are no Russians left in Ukraine.

All the while the Ukraine will be made beautiful again as Russians are reduced to living in squalor.


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Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:47 AM

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Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:09 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
The weapons have already been tested.
What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial".



On themselves? They can't find the freaking dial. All pain, no dial.

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach,



You should call someone because they clearly haven't figured it out.

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first.



That's one slow fcking horse race.

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
"Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag").



Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all
https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-inva
sion-ukraine
/



You're too modest. You certainly know a lot more about Russian weapons than any other American I know.

With all that knowledge maybe you can explain why this 48-72 hour blitzkrieg to Kyiv is taking 4 weeks? Are they saving gas? Did they run out of gas?

I'm reading some distressing things about the condition of the Russian military. Total corruption on every level. Russian thieves stealing from the military. If generals/military get too good the Kremlin worries about a coup and cleanses them and installs new people who have no training. Have you heard about those things? I heard there's a general cleansing after every foreign operation just to be safe...? But then, what was their last real operation? Crimea? Oh yeah, that tank battalion that rolled into Crimea and was suppose to be so amazing just got destroyed about a week ago. Javelins from Uncle Sam I think. Crimea was not a real military operation, so can't blame them for being under trained and over hyped.

I'm hearing some disparaging things about their nukes too. Not taken care of very well. Maintenance fees going into the wrong pockets. Corruption on every level.

I'm also reading about how a lot of (smart) Russians have fled the country. Huge numbers. It has this effect of leaving the dummies behind. Imagine an entire nation of Trumptards and you get the idea.

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Sunday, March 20, 2022 2:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

JAYNEZTOWN:
There are reporst Putin is testing out his new Military toys of Death
tested new missile? The latest hypersonic weapon

SIGNY: The weapons have already been tested.
What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial".
It's second function was "sending a message to the west" (considering the target).

It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach, but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first.

"Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag").

Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all
https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-inva
sion-ukraine
/


THUGR: You keep lying to yourself Signym, that’s what you’re good at.

Zelensky will lie to get Russia out. No agreement signed by the Ukrainian President will be legit since he has a gun held to his head.

That's like saying that no surrender agreement is legit, bc the surrendering nations have guns held to their heads. So I guess we can negate Germany's and Japan's surrender, and while we're at it, undo the surrender of the South (since they lost the civil war) and undo our victory over the Brits, too.

Really, you are unbelievably stupid.



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Sunday, March 20, 2022 3:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SignyM:
The weapons have already been tested.
What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial".

CAPON: On themselves? They can't find the freaking dial. All pain, no dial.

Snarky but stupid comments don't change reality.



Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach,


CAPON: You should call someone because they clearly haven't figured it out.

Snarky but stupid comments don't change reality.

Quote:

SignyM:
but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first.

CAPON:That's one slow fcking horse race.

Yes, it is. This is like the liberation of Aleppo, which took well over a month of slow, careful teasing apart of civvies from terrorists. Eventually Aleppo was freed with minimized civilian and infrastructure losses. Ukraine is bigger.

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SignyM:
"Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag")...

Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all
https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-inva
sion-ukraine
/

CAPON: You're too modest. You certainly know a lot more about Russian weapons than any other American I know.

The internet is your friend. You, too, could look this shit up if you wanted to know/weren't too brainwashed to learn a few facts.

BTW it's ISKANDER, not Islander. The K and L are right next to each other. You would have caught that mistake and perhaps learned even more if you had bothered to inform yourself.


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With all that knowledge maybe you can explain why this 48-72 hour blitzkrieg to Kyiv is taking 4 weeks? Are they saving gas? Did they run out of gas?
Unlike us, the Russians don't flatten everything with bombs for three weeks before strolling in. They don't "blitzkrieg".

I heard an interesting analysis of the American way of war exemplified by Iraq: bomb everything to rubble ... civilians, military, water mains, electrical generating stations, etc ... for three weeks, have the military stroll in, then call in another air strike of anything is still moving. "The American military [ground forces] don't know how to FIGHT." was the summary.

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CAPON: I'm reading some distressing things about the condition of the Russian military. Total corruption on every level. Russian thieves stealing from the military. If generals/military get too good the Kremlin worries about a coup and cleanses them and installs new people who have no training. Have you heard about those things?
No. The generals today are the same as the ones five, ten years ago. There has been no shakeup in the milt command except the dismissal (2015?) of the Admiral of the North Sea fleet for faking readiness reports.

OTOH "Z" is swapping out generals now. Doesn't sound like he's "winning", does it?

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CAPON: heard there's a general cleansing after every foreign operation just to be safe...? But then, what was their last real operation? Crimea
Kazakhstan.
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Oh yeah, that tank battalion that rolled into Crimea and was suppose to be so amazing just got destroyed about a week ago. Javelins from Uncle Sam I think. Crimea was not a real military operation, so can't blame them for being under trained and over hyped.
What are you smoking? Why would a tank battalion roll into Crimea?? Crimea is already part of Russia. You must be grossly misinformed. I hope you've learned something!

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CAPON: I'm hearing some disparaging things about their nukes too. Not taken care of very well. Maintenance fees going into the wrong pockets. Corruption on every level.

I'm also reading about how a lot of (smart) Russians have fled the country. Huge numbers. It has this effect of leaving the dummies behind. Imagine an entire nation of Trumptards and you get the idea.

Putin has basically told fifth column Russians to leave. Good riddance to bad rubbish.


Everything you posted is a total propaganda piece of bullshit. You haven't researched ANY of this.

I hope somebody has learned something now, especially that you're a paid propagandist and a liar.

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All of those refugee eyewitnesses. 3 million, they say.

What are THEIR observations?

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Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov says only Fox is presenting an ‘alternative point of view’ rather than ‘information terrorism’

Sergei Lavrov praised Fox News for its coverage of war in Ukraine, appearing on the Russian state-controlled RT network to hail the right-leaning US cable channel, whose primetime host Tucker Carlson has played down the invasion.

“We know the manners and the tricks that are being used by the western countries to manipulate media, we understood long ago that there is no such thing as an independent western media,” said Lavrov, speaking in English in a studio interview on Friday.

“If you take the United States, only Fox News is trying to present some alternative point of view,” he said.

He also denounced the social media ban of former president Donald Trump and took exception to the description of January 6 rioters as terrorists.

“But when you watch other channels, read the social networks and internet platforms, when the acting president was blocked and this censorship continues in a very big way … Whenever something is happening by the way of mass protest, mass demonstrations – which they don’t like – they immediately call it domestic terrorism.

“So it’s a war, and it’s a war which involves the methods of information terrorism,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-praises-fo
x-news-coverage-ukraine


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So basically the USA media is conducting a psyop for neocons.

I knew that already. I expect nothing less. Russia is probably doing something similar to its own people.

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Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov says only Fox is presenting an ‘alternative point of view’ rather than ‘information terrorism’

Sergei Lavrov praised Fox News for its coverage of war in Ukraine, appearing on the Russian state-controlled RT network to hail the right-leaning US cable channel, whose primetime host Tucker Carlson has played down the invasion.

“We know the manners and the tricks that are being used by the western countries to manipulate media, we understood long ago that there is no such thing as an independent western media,” said Lavrov, speaking in English in a studio interview on Friday.

“If you take the United States, only Fox News is trying to present some alternative point of view,” he said.

He also denounced the social media ban of former president Donald Trump and took exception to the description of January 6 rioters as terrorists.

“But when you watch other channels, read the social networks and internet platforms, when the acting president was blocked and this censorship continues in a very big way … Whenever something is happening by the way of mass protest, mass demonstrations – which they don’t like – they immediately call it domestic terrorism.

“So it’s a war, and it’s a war which involves the methods of information terrorism,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-praises-fo
x-news-coverage-ukraine


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I agree. Except FOX News is fake news too.

Leftists are information terrorists. FOX is selling boner pills to seniors.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So basically the USA media is conducting a psyop for neocons.

I knew that already. I expect nothing less. Russia is probably doing something similar to its own people.

I presume you didn't click on the article, which continued:

The mental split-screen effect only sharpened earlier this week when a Fox news team on the ground in Ukraine came under Russian fire on the frontline.

Cameraman Pierre Zakrzewski and producer Oleksandra Kuvshynova were both killed during a Russian attack outside the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv. Correspondent Benjamin Hall was badly wounded in the incident. (There is nothing more emphatic than a bullet to make a point that Russians are killing civilians, despite Putin's mouthpieces claiming civilians aren't deliberate targets. Typically, the Russian mouthpiece would automatically say that the bullet was fired by Ukraine. It is so inexpensive for a mouthpiece to lie, since words are far more abundant and cheaper than bullets.)

Russian apologism by numerous Fox hosts, commentators and guests was being corrected on air by the network’s own national security correspondent, Jennifer Griffin.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-praises-fo
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Oh, you're such a bullshit artist, SECOND. If civilians get killed it doesn't mean that civilians are DELIBERATELY targeted. Surely, as a person who used to shoot at people from a helicopter, you should know the difference!

This is, after all, war and people do get killed.


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Oh, you're such a bullshit artist, SECOND. If civilians get killed it doesn't mean that civilians are DELIBERATELY targeted. Surely, as a person who used to shoot at people from a helicopter, you should know the difference!

This is, after all, war and people do get killed.

If you'd been in a real war, and were also the kind of warrior that does not get confused, fearful or enraged when the decibel level is painfully loud, you would notice that most people around you should not be warriors because they waste ammo by firing without aiming. The result is that these wannabe warriors kill at random. I would call it deliberate killing while the wannabes would call it something that makes them not responsible for what they do, such as "collateral damage". The wannabe warriors are confused between winning a war and killing as many as possible, with the confusion being that these two are the same when in reality the two are very different. That's why Putin started the Ukraine war by bluntly telling the world he'd nuke it if the world tried to stop him. Putin is ridiculously and absolutely confused about how to win a war when he threatens to use nukes, a weapon that is nothing but "collateral damage". As far as I can tell, Putin is nothing but a wannabe warrior, as was Trump when he threatened "I will rain fire and fury the likes of which the world has never seen." Trump obviously has a problem controlling his mouth, as does Putin:

Putin Threatens to Nuke the World
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-threatens-nuke-world-opinion-1685241

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As usual, SECOND, you're bullshitting again. You know nothing about what Putin says or how Russia wages war.

Putin's threat was to the western elites. He basically said: we know who you are and we know where you think you'll hide. You won't be able to.

AFA how Russians wage war, you haven't been paying attention to any of their military ops anywhere, have you?

They make extensive use of humanitarian corridors for civilians, parallel negotiations, and safe passage for surrendering troops.

They distinguish between taking "cities" and dismembering the military.

They don't "storm cities", ravage civilian infrastructure, or wantonly kill people.

If you had paid the slightest attention to what was going on in Chechnya, Syria, the Donbass and Crimea (2015) and Ukraine today, you wouldn't post nonsense

The west OTOH believes in flattening EVERYTHING. The Azov Battalion apparently likes to keep civilians hostage. And "Z" likes to threaten the world if he doesn't get his way

Quote:

Zelensky Says WWIII Assured If Negotiations With Russia Break Down


Poor sod thinks he's negotiating!

You can't negotiate if you have no cards to play. "Z" has no cards to play. All he can do is surrender before his military gets totally destroyed and more civilians are killed. Let's see whether he's a fantasist who'll get more people killed, or a realist.

My guess is he's a fantasist being promoted by equally fantasist USA/EU neocons who've swallowed their own propaganda.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Snarky but stupid comments don't change reality.



Lying doesn't either but that doesn't stop you.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
This is like the liberation of Aleppo, which took well over a month of slow, careful teasing apart of civvies from terrorists. Eventually Aleppo was freed with minimized civilian and infrastructure losses. Ukraine is bigger.



"Careful teasing apart of civvies from terrorists." ??? You mean "tearing" apart.
"minimized civilian and infrastructure losses"



Please don't ever tell yourself you're good at lying.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
BTW it's ISKANDER, not Islander. The K and L are right next to each other. You would have caught that mistake and perhaps learned even more if you had bothered to inform yourself.



WTF? Where did I say anything about "Islander?" You must be working multiple screens spreading BS Russian talking points as far as you can.

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Unlike us, the Russians don't flatten everything with bombs for three weeks before strolling in."



The fck they don't. Picture titled, Grozny, Capital of Cechnya, "The most destroyed city on earth"



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Originally posted by SignyM: No. The generals today are the same as the ones five, ten years ago.



Maybe the ones that are still alive. To date Russia has lost how many? 5? 8? 13? How many intelligence agents have been put under house arrest for supplying Putin with bad intel? 2? More?
"How the Russian officer elite is being decimated in Ukraine – 13 generals and commanders who were killed in action"
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-russian-officer-elite-decimate
d-9-who-were-killed-in-combat-2022-3?op=1


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Originally posted by SignyM:
What are you smoking? Why would a tank battalion roll into Crimea?? Crimea is already part of Russia. You must be grossly misinformed. I hope you've learned something!



Not now, dummy - Back during the previous invasion of Ukraine by Russia. I think we just sent 400 Javelins to Ukraine. Russian tanks are turning out to be obsolete. Too slow, they use too much gas, and when they are destroyed they cause traffic jams.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Everything you posted is a total propaganda piece of bullshit. You haven't researched ANY of this.



I research and find incredibly smart, dedicated people who do the research. I find a lot fo their ideas fascinating:

"What if the real goal is to keep Ukraine a failed state as an example to the Russians?" Definitely explains the random, aimless destruction.

"Russia ran out of cheap oil& gas. New deposits are in the Arctic terrain, cost of production is huge. Chinese market can't compensate the loss of Western. Chinese use their leverage and set prices far below the break even point.

Russian economy is super fragile. It's critically dependent upon the:

1. Export of natural resources
2. Technological import

It has always been so. That's why Russia could never win a major war without massive economic help of the West. Without Western allies Russia's doomed"

"How Russia will lose the war in Ukraine"



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Originally posted by SignyM:
As usual, SECOND, you're bullshitting again. You know nothing about what Putin says or how Russia wages war.

"Z" has no cards to play. All he can do is surrender before his military gets totally destroyed and more civilians are killed. Let's see whether he's a fantasist who'll get more people killed, or a realist.

My guess is he's a fantasist being promoted by equally fantasist USA/EU neocons who've swallowed their own propaganda.

Are you claiming Putin did not Threaten to Nuke the World? Because he did:
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-threatens-nuke-world-opinion-1685241

Putin runs low on manpower because "Z" is murdering Putin's men. Death Putin intuitively understands:

Ukraine accuses Russia of preparing to conscript from youth movement

An alleged document signed by the Russian defense minister called for assessing the possibility of recruiting 17 and 18-year-olds from Russia's Unarmia.

Russia is preparing to conscript soldiers from its Unarmia military youth movement to replenish its losses, the Ukrainian Intelligence Directorate (GUR) claimed on Sunday.

The Intelligence Directorate compared the recruitment to the enlistment of Hitler Youth by Nazi Germany in World War II.

More at https://www.jpost.com/international/article-701802

Established in October 2015, the All-Russia "Young Army" National Military Patriotic Social Movement Association, sometimes transliterated as Yunarmiya, YAM) is a youth organization supported and funded by the Government of Russia through the Ministry of Defence of Russia (MOD) with a mission to train future personnel for the uniformed services and to instill the values of patriotism, national service, national and military history, remembrance of past military operations and campaigns and of the fallen of its armed forces, and to help develop the country as its population grows.

More at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Army_Cadets_National_Movement

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Are you claiming Putin did not Threaten to Nuke the World? Because he did:



No he didn't. You fucking liar.

Putin Threatens to Nuke the World | Opinion

I guess you missed that last part.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Are you claiming Putin did not Threaten to Nuke the World? Because he did:



No he didn't. You fucking liar.

Putin Threatens to Nuke the World | Opinion

I guess you missed that last part.

Moments before Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his attack on Ukraine, he shot a stern warning to the rest of the world. Any country that interfered, he said, would, quote, "face consequences greater than any you have faced in history." He also bragged about Russia's nuclear arsenal and, several days later, put Russia's deterrent forces, including nuclear weapons, on high alert.
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/08/1085248170/putin-has-threatened-to-use-
his-nuclear-arsenal-heres-what-its-actually-capable
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Quit spreading your fear porn, loser.

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Quit spreading your fear porn, loser.

Most people don’t remember why Trump was impeached the first time. When asked, just a quarter of respondents said “Ukraine,” and only 3% mentioned Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy by name.

https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/18/22981356/president-donald-trump-reco
rd-comments-russia-ukraine


"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine—of Ukraine—Putin declares it as independent," Trump said on The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show on February 22.

During an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity on March 10, Trump said the situation unfolding in Ukraine was "sad," but he repeatedly avoided Hannity's encouragement to call Putin evil.

"When you look, this doesn't seem to be the same Putin I was dealing with," Trump said. "But I will tell you, he wouldn't have changed if I were dealing with him."

"The fake news said my personality is going to get us into a war...but actually my personality is what kept us out of war," Trump said.

"This could lead to World War III," Trump continued. "I see what's happening. Because if you think Putin is going to stop, it's going to get worse and worse. He's not going to accept it, and we don't have anybody to talk to him. You had somebody to talk to him with me."

But he also appeared to paint Putin a more positive light, saying: "It happens to be a man that is just driven, he's driven to put it together."

"They wanted to rebuild the Soviet Union," he said. "That's what this is all about to a large extent. And then you say, what's the purpose of this? They had a country. You could see it was a country where there was a lot of love and we're doing it because, you know, somebody wants to make his country larger or he wants to put it back the way it was when actually it didn't work very well."

But the former president also offered some criticism of Putin, saying the Russian leader is "in a very bad position in many ways" but warned that he will continue to "go forward and continue to get more and more ruthless."

"He's got a tremendous ego and he wants to save face," Trump added.

https://www.newsweek.com/what-trump-has-said-about-putin-since-russian
-invasion-ukraine-began-1687730


Putin's Nuclear war threat: Rhetoric? Or For Real?



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What is SECOND's end game?

He hates Republicans* bc Nixon talked him into a pointless war, and now SECOND is trying to stampede others into an equally pointless war.

Is SECOND's end game to...

Disintegrate into self-contradiction?

Transform everyone into himself, so he doesn't feel like a monster?

Become what he hates?

Transform everyone into himself, so they can hate themselves as much as he hates himself?

Something else?


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Quote:

Ukrainian frontline medic claims he’s ordered castration of all Russian POWs

Russian soldiers captured by a Ukrainian volunteer medic unit will all be castrated, its founder and commander declared on national television on Sunday. The combat medic, whose volunteer team has been described as “medical angels” by the Western media, said “cockroaches” don’t deserve the right to procreate.

The shocking confession came from Gennadiy Druzenko, a constitutional lawyer-turned-volunteer frontline medic in Ukraine. Speaking to Ukrainian media in a live interview, he condemned the US for its reluctance to go to war with Russia on Ukraine’s behalf, before commenting on the Russian military.

“Trust me, [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s military hardware burns well. The corpses of ‘putinoids’ may stink, but they become unthreatening,” he said.

Druzenko said that, during the conflict, he had diverged from the principle that requires an injured enemy combatant to be treated as a regular patient.

I gave my doctors … a very strict order to castrate all men, because they are cockroaches and not people.

He further implied that, at the hands of his unit, Russian prisoners of war “will die in very large numbers” so that surviving Russians remembered Ukraine with terror “like the Germans remembered Stalingrad.”

...

On Monday, YouTube blocked the entire livestream segment, which included the interview, after it drew public attention...

Druzenko heads the Pirogov First Volunteer Mobile Hospital, a unit of civilian medics that has been providing services to Ukrainian troops since 2014, when post-coup authorities in Kiev sent the Ukrainian military to quash a rebellion in eastern Ukraine. He is an acclaimed figure at home and has received numerous awards for his work from the Defense Ministry and the National Security Council.

A darling of the Western media amid the Russian attack on his country, Druzenko is fluent in English and has been readily speaking to the likes of CNN and the New York Post about the work of what these outlets have dubbed the “medical angels.”



https://www.rt.com/russia/552367-ukraine-doctor-castrate-prisoners/

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What is SECOND's end game?

He hates Republicans* bc Nixon talked him into a pointless war, and now SECOND is trying to stampede others into an equally pointless war.

Is SECOND's end game to...

Disintegrate into self-contradiction?

Transform everyone into himself, so he doesn't feel like a monster?

Become what he hates?

Transform everyone into himself, so they can hate themselves as much as he hates himself?

Something else?

What was fascinating about the Vietnam War was that Nixon wanted a regime change in North Vietnam but he concentrated his Army in South Vietnam, which already had the regime Nixon wanted. It was a strategy doomed to fail because the US Army, which was full of officers who would never be even minimally competent, no matter how many years of training they received, were making South Vietnam likely to want a regime change in a direction that was opposite of what Nixon wanted. Putin is doing Nixon. Russia has got officers who will never be even minimally competent and those officers are unifying Ukraine in a direction that is the opposite of what Putin wants.

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Those poor, disorganized, defeated Russians. So close to collapse!

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Ukrainian frontline medic claims he’s ordered castration of all Russian POWs

Russian soldiers captured by a Ukrainian volunteer medic unit will all be castrated, its founder and commander declared on national television on Sunday. The combat medic, whose volunteer team has been described as “medical angels” by the Western media, said “cockroaches” don’t deserve the right to procreate. https://www.rt.com/russia/552367-ukraine-doctor-castrate-prisoners/

Signym, if RT (Russia Today) wants to write believable stories that cannot be verified as fake, the story would be that Russian soldiers are executed. It would be the classic "We Take No Prisoners" story, which doesn't leave evidence like a dickless Russian prisoner who had surgery in Ukraine being exchanged for a whole Ukraine soldier.

A better idea for RT is to claim that Ukraine is NOT castrating Russian soldiers but instead is giving Russian soldiers a vasectomy. Now that fake story would be harder to prove was fake.

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Putin claims he makes $140,000 and has an 800-square foot apartment. His actual net worth is a mystery no one can solve.

https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/vladimir-putin-net-worth-2022/
or
https://web.archive.org/web/20220318155734/https://fortune.com/2022/03
/02/vladimir-putin-net-worth-2022
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On paper, Russian President Vladimir Putin seems like a humble statesman with a modest income.

The Kremlin claims that Putin earns an annual salary of $140,000. His publicly disclosed assets include an 800-square foot apartment, a trailer, and three cars.

But according to some experts, he may be the wealthiest man in the world with assets totaling up to $200 billion.

While that is a ridiculous amount of money for anyone to have, this figure may not be so far-fetched for Putin. Here’s why:

Luxury watch collection

Putin is often seen sporting high-end luxury watches that are retailed for multiple times his supposed annual income.

He has been pictured wearing Patek Philippe’s Perpetual Calendar watch worth $60,000 and allegedly owns a $500,000 A. Lange & Sohne Toubograph, as well as other fancy designs.

$1.4 Billion Black Sea mansion

Putin is rumored to be the owner of a beautiful 190,000 square-foot mansion sitting atop a cliff that overlooks the Black Sea. This coastal property is reputed as the largest private residence in the country and serves as his private palace endearingly called “Putin’s Country Cottage”.

The estate is Putin’s playland, boasting frescoed ceilings, a marble swimming pool lined with statues of Greek gods, a 27,000 square-foot guest house, spas with traditional hammams, a musical parlor, dressing rooms for all his staff, an amphitheater, a state-of-the-art ice hockey rink, a Vegas-style casino, a nightclub equipped with stripper poles, a barroom showcasing more than $100,000 of wine and spirits, an underground tasting room overlooking the water, and much more.

Most of the mansion is reportedly decorated by an exclusive luxury Italian brand called Citterio Atena including Louis XIV style sofas, $500,000 in dining room furniture, and a $54,000 bar table. It even has decked-out bathrooms with fancy $850 Italian toilet brushes and $1,250 toilet paper holders.

On top of all the extravagant furnishings, an annual $2 million is spent just to maintain the property’s landscaping by a 40-person staff.

The Black Sea Mansion was designed by Italian architect Lanfranco Cirillo and cost $1.4 billion to construct. According to a Reuters investigation, the money for this extravagant project was supposedly laundered through the country’s 1.3-trillion-ruble national project called “Health” in which the state bought expensive medical equipment from a company owned by Putin’s friends Shamalov and Gorelov at a much higher rate than the market price. Records show that the two men sent around $56 million to Swiss bank accounts of a Belize company. Then the Belize account transferred approximately $48 million to an account controlled by Medea Investment- a company controlled by Cirillo himself. Moscow Times reports that Shamalov, Gorelov, and Cirillo denied all allegations.

The Kremlin denies Putin’s ownership of the palace saying it belongs to a wealthy businessman. But Russian analysts call it a blatant lie, saying that no businessman can have properties guarded by the FSB (Russia’s federal security service) with a no-fly zone over it.

Aircraft, helicopters, and cars

Apart from the Black Sea Mansion and 19 other houses and 700 cars, Putin supposedly has a collection of 58 aircraft and helicopters including a $716 million dollar plane called “The Flying Kremlin” that has a toilet made of gold. Not surprising considering his taste for grandiose, neoclassical architecture.

And to keep his options open by land, air, or sea, he also has a $100-million-dollar megayacht designed by a nuclear submarine maker from the Russian navy.

$200 Billion Dollar Blackmail

The $200 billion figure was estimated by financier Bill Browder who, in a testimony to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee in 2017, said that Putin amassed most of his wealth after a Moscow court jailed oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky in 2003 for fraud and tax evasion:

"After Khodorkovsky's conviction, the other oligarchs went to Putin and asked him what they needed to do to avoid sitting in the same cage as Khodorkovsky. From what followed, it appeared that Putin's answer was, "50%" He wasn't saying 50% for the Russian government or the presidential administration of Russia, but 50% for Vladimir Putin personally."

On top of all this, the famous Panama Papers revealed a network of secret offshore deals and loans worth $2 billion pointing to Putin in 2016.

But of course, Vladimir denies all these allegations, only admitting to a different form of riches:

"I am the wealthiest man, not just in Europe but in the whole world: I collect emotions. I am wealthy in that the people of Russia have twice entrusted me with the leadership of a great nation such as Russia. I believe that is my greatest wealth."

And despite all the paper trails and testimonies stacked against him, the Russian president continues his charade of being a dutiful bureaucrat with a simple, middle-class lifestyle.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, March 21, 2022 9:16 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
https://www.rt.com/russia/552367-ukraine-doctor-castrate-prisoners/



1. rt - really? Come on, sweety.

2. Eastern European (and Russian) men talk nasty to and about each other. Immature bravado, chest pounding. So much you don't understand about life. Read second's post above.

3. Dugin! Dugin!


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Monday, March 21, 2022 9:18 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Those poor, disorganized, defeated Russians. So close to collapse!




Liar! That's a Trump rally!

One. Fucking. Guy.

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Monday, March 21, 2022 9:40 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


In 1912, the German Kaiser visited Switzerland and asked a Swiss minister what the 250,000 strong Swiss army would do if Germany attacked with 500,000 troops. Reply: "Shoot twice and go home."

In 1939, Stalin grew tired of tolerating the existence of Finland on the Soviet Union’s western border, so he decided to crush it. In December, 120,000 soldiers, backed up by six hundred tanks and a thousand artillery pieces, readied themselves to invade Finland.

The Finns were unperturbed. Their generals were competent, their borders were fortified, and their people were ready to fight and die for their homeland.

As Russian bombs fell on Helsinki on the 30th of November, and Soviet divisions began crossing the border, a joke began to spread among the Finns. Whether apocryphal or not, this surely has to rate as the coolest line in history:

“They are so many and our country is so small, where shall we find room to bury them all?”

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-coolest-line-in-history

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, March 21, 2022 9:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:
https://www.rt.com/russia/552367-ukraine-doctor-castrate-prisoners/

CAPON:
1. rt - really? Come on, sweety.

You post disinfo from WaPo etc so - why not?

Quote:

CAPON: 2. Eastern European (and Russian) men talk nasty to and about each other. Immature bravado, chest pounding. So much you don't understand about life.
Doe that explain YOUR posts?


Quote:

CAPON: 3. Dugin! Dugin!
Who?
First you insist it's one fucking man and then you insist it's a DIFFERENT fucking man.


Really. You're going to have to do a LOT better than that if you wnt to get paid!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


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Monday, March 21, 2022 10:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wow, lookit all those words SECOND spewed up today!

I musta touched nerve.


Well, that's enough of arguing with paid liars and twisted sociopaths for one day.

Have a nice day!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


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Monday, March 21, 2022 10:23 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow, lookit all those words SECOND spewed up today!

I musta touched nerve.


Well, that's enough of arguing with paid liars and twisted sociopaths for one day.

Have a nice day!

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


I saw this funny video, presumably by Russians, about not believing that something is written on your forehead:

https://imgur.com/gallery/Ts9HCTP
Be sure to turn on the sound, but if you don't know the language, here is the Translation:

Off camera woman: Hello, could you tell me your thoughts on the fact that all Russian citizens have had dicks drawn on their forehead? What do you think about this?

Woman with dick on forehead: Oh, well, I don't really know much about the topic. I'm not a urologist, I'm a regular person. I don't now what someone drew on someone else.

Off camera: You don't need to be a urologist to understand you have a dick on your forehead. Just look in the mirror.

Woman with dick on forehead: But it's illegal now to look in mirrors, and as for what people say...you know, people say one thing and the TV says another. Who knows what is true?

Off camera: Why not ask one of your relatives? I'm looking at you and I'm telling you you have a dick on your forehead. Why would I lie?

Woman with dick on her forehead: I don't know. These days there are so many fakes, so much provocation. We can't know where the truth lies.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, March 21, 2022 10:34 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


So worthless:

S: You post disinfo from WaPo etc so - why not?

lie

S: Doe that explain YOUR posts?

deflection

S: First you insist it's one fucking man and then you insist it's a DIFFERENT fucking man.

weak. It's still one fucking guy. Dugin is a trusted confidant of Putin's. You know that so you lie about it. Do you have any other speed?

From the poster who whines daily about the lack of "real conversation." I think you must not have gotten enough attention as a child. That's not a dis. You couldn't help that. But this incessant lying... damn. It's like you use it as a defense, to put people off. Ironically, it only invites more conflict. A self created vicious circle. I know people like that in RL. They can't keep a job and after they lose each one they always blame the company or their old boss. Always. Life's ups and downs - always someone else's fault. They never see how it's them. And yet the same conflicts follow them through out their entire life. I mean, if your past the age of 35 and still have no idea... You could live to be 500 and you'd still being lying about Russia. And for why? Fckske - I just noticed you've been posting here for 20 years! And you're still at it! So desperate to defend Russia. Maybe in another 20 years you'll find the courage to tell us why?



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