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Friday, October 21, 2011 2:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Joe Biden falsely claimed on multiple occasions that the number of reported rapes in Flint, Mich., has skyrocketed since 2008 — providing different accounts at different events that do not square with FBI data. He started at a 152 percent increase, and since then has said rapes in Flint have tripled and even “quadrupled.” But FBI data show the number of rapes in Flint has gone down 11 percent, from 103 in 2008 to 92 in 2010.

Biden also said the city’s murder rate has “tripled.” The city says there were a record-high 66 murders last year — double, not triple, the 32 murders that occurred in 2008.


Rapes Haven’t ‘Quadrupled’

The vice president has been touring the country delivering his pitch for the American Jobs Act, President Barack Obama’s $447 billion plan that includes $35 billion to prevent the layoff of police, firefighters and teachers. On Oct. 12, Biden visited Flint, Mich., which has had the highest violent crime rate in the nation for the last two years. The city’s violent crime rate has increased from 20.2 violent crimes per 1,000 residents in 2008 to 22.1 in 2010, a jump of about 9 percent, our analysis of FBI reports shows.

Crime is bad in Flint, no doubt, but Biden makes it out to be worse than it is.





http://factcheck.org/2011/10/bidens-whopper-in-flint-mich/






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Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:49 AM

JONGSSTRAW


With Obama's newest spending plan defeated in the Senate, they've decided to now try to sell the beaten and bloody thing to 4th graders. Joe Biden is a gift for Republicans. I pray he stays on the road campaigning.





The kids look bored and a bit bewildered by Biden's attempt to get their support for Obama's spending bill. Later, "Tommy" (name changed to protect the minor) was overheard by the drinking fountain saying he was angry at this un-wanted Federal Govt. intrusion into his life.







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Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
With Obama's newest spending plan defeated in the Senate, they've decided to now try to sell the beaten and bloody thing to 4th graders. Joe Biden is a gift for Republicans. I pray he stays on the road campaigning.




Biden is exactly that, but for what ever reason, the history of the GOP is to NOT take advantage of such gifts. Maybe they just assume that the American public is smart enough to figure it out, and to play up the fact of Biden's idiocy and incompetence would be over kill, but I don't know.

The GOP almost never takes advantage of the opposition's blunders like this.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:28 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Biden is exactly that, but for what ever reason, the history of the GOP is to NOT take advantage of such gifts. Maybe they just assume that the American public is smart enough to figure it out, and to play up the fact of Biden's idiocy and incompetence would be over kill, but I don't know.

The GOP almost never takes advantage of the opposition's blunders like this.


Well you're right about that! Damn if I even know or can pronounce the name of the latest RNC Chair..... Reeces Pieces or something. I see Wassermann-Schultz's ugly mug on tv every day spewing her insanity, but our guy is the invisible man. I know the last one, Steele, the charming idiot who fiddled away while he lost everything to the Dems, is now an honored regular guest on MSNBC. So are McCain's former campaign advisors. Go figure.








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Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Just saw this guy, Glenn Kessler on FOX News.

He gave a brief run down of what follows in the article he wrote...


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The Facts

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/bidens-absurd-cl
aims-about-rising-rape-and-murder-rates/2011/10/20/gIQAkq0y1L_blog.html


Flint is certainly a violent city, ranked number one in many categories. The website of the Flint Police Department only gives data through 2008, but both the FBI and the Michigan State Police have more recent figures that are provided to them by the Flint police. The numbers are not precisely the same because of different reporting requirements, but they are roughly the same—and show a different picture than reported by Biden.

The Flint website for 2008 shows the same figures that Biden cited: 35 murders and 91 rapes.

Here’s what the FBI shows:

2008
City of Flint: 32 murders, 103 rapes

Surrounding area: 37 murders, 239 rapes

RATE PER 100,000 INHABITANTS: murder, 8.6; rape 55.5

2009
City of Flint: 36 murders, 91 rapes

Surrounding area: 44 murders, 235 rapes

RATE PER 100,000 INHABITANTS: murder, 10.3; rape, 55.1

2010
City of Flint: 53 murders, 92 rapes

Surrounding area: 58 murders, 225 rapes

RATE PER 100,000 INHABITANTS: murder, 13.8; rape 53.7

More important than the raw figures is the rate per 100,000 individuals. Murder did go up—though the rate did not double from 2009 to 2010, as Biden claimed. But rape has gone down. Biden actually asserted it had tripled.

Biden’s office referred us to officials in Flint. After inquiries from The Fact Checker, Dawn Jones, a spokeswoman for Flint’s mayor, issued a statement from Public Safety Director Chief Alvern Lock saying: “The City of Flint stands behind the crime statistics provided to the Office of The Vice President….This information is the most accurate data and demonstrates the rise in crime associated with the economic crisis and the reduced staffing levels.”

The statement said the murder rate for 2010 was different than the FBI statistics because of a “clerical error” when the data was submitted to the FBI. (Someone in the police department forgot to add people to the murder rate if they died long after the assault.) But the revised number for the FBI will be 58 murders, not Biden’s figure of 65, because the FBI only counts willful homicides, not manslaughter and negligent homicide, Jones said.

The statement, however, was strangely silent on the massive discrepancy in the rape statistics. There have been a number of studies (see here and here) that document that the FBI statistics do not capture all forms of rape. The FBI stats include forcible intercourse but not oral sex or other forms of sexual assault.

But that issue does not explain why Biden’s rape statistics would be so much higher than what was reported in the local press over the years. The Flint Journal on May 24, in fact, reported the number of rapes had declined in the city from 2009 to 2010.

Jones, in an interview, said that the city had never released the broader rape figure to the public until the vice president’s office requested the data. “We have never shared that number,” she said, agreeing that it was strange that Flint’s official rape figure for 2008—91--was actually lower than the FBI figure for that year, even with the FBI’s more narrow definition of rape.

“I am thinking that maybe there is no policy on how we input those numbers,” Jones said. She could not provide an explanation Thursday night, but our working assumption is that these numbers are apples and oranges. The proper comparison with Flint’s 2008 figure appears to be the FBI’s figure for 2010--showing a decline in rapes. The higher figure for 2010 cited by Biden is simply a different data set.

Interestingly, Flint Police Chief Lock has repeatedly asserted that cuts in staffing had little effect on the crime rate.

As the Flint Journal reported in May: “Officials said the fact that 46 police officers were laid off last year had little to do with the escalating crime. Most of the crimes were between people that knew each other. ‘No matter how many officers we have, we can't stop disputes between two people in their own homes,’ Lock said.”

Lock made a similar assertion in September, 2010, when FBI statistics were released showing violent crime in Flint had decreased in 2009. The Flint Journal reported: “A smaller police force doesn't automatically mean more crime, said Flint police chief Alven Lock. ‘There's been years when we had 300 officers and we still had more homicides,’ he said, referring to 1986, when he was in the homicide division and homicides hit an all-time high of 61.”

As Jones put it, “we have a messaging problem.”

This brings us to the central point of Biden’s argument--that fewer police officers means more crime. More police officers might certainly mean more arrests and convictions, particularly for less noteworthy crimes, but researchers have strived to make a link between murders and officers on the street.

University of Chicago economist Steven D. Levitt, who examined ten possible factors for why crime fell in the 1990s, made a noteworthy effort in 2004 to assess the importance of additional cops. He included the increase in police as one factor that could explain the decline in crime. But he also said that other key factors included a rising prison population, the receding crack epidemic and even the legalization of abortion (which resulted in fewer unwanted births).

In other words, even if you could make a link, it is likely one of many factors that affects the crime rate, not the single one, as Biden suggests. The FBI itself lists more than a dozen variables in what causes crime to increase in a community.

Others believe the connection is tenuous, at best. “There is limited or no correlation between the number of officers and the homicide rate,” said David Carter, a Michigan State University criminal justice professor who works with the Justice Department to track homicides. “To draw any kind of conclusion on simply the number of officers and the number of homicides is virtually meaningless. There are too many other variables that will influence the commission of homicides as well as clearances. In essence, the reporting of this simple data, whether using Biden's data or city data, does not describe changes in the incidents of homicides in Flint or any city.”

Andrew Kramer of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice also has closely studied the reasons for the decline of crime in New York City. “The NYPD has decreased in size by about 4,000 officers to 36,000 since 2000 and yet crime has continued to go down,” he said.



The Pinocchio Test
Biden, when he was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1994, was author of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, the largest crime bill in U.S. history. On the face of it, a threefold increase in rape in two years—when other violent crime statistics show relatively modest increases in the same city—should raise serious questions for anyone knowledgeable about crime or statistics. Clearly, the city of Flint supplied bad data, and either Biden or someone in Biden’s office should have caught it.

In any case, the vice president should know better than to spout off half-baked facts in service of a dubious argument. Even if one believes there is a link between crime and the number of police—which is debatable and subject to many caveats—there is no excuse to make the dramatic claim that more people will die or be raped without additional funds for police. When making such a breathtaking charge, you had better have your facts straight.

Four Pinocchios





The 'Pinocchios' scale , goes from 1 Pinocchio ( Some shading of the facts. Selective telling of the truth. Some omissions and exaggerations, but no outright falsehoods.) to 4 ( Whopper of a lie )


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Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:37 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Joe Biden falsely claimed on multiple occasions that the number of reported rapes in Flint, Mich., has skyrocketed since 2008 — providing different accounts at different events that do not square with FBI data. He started at a 152 percent increase, and since then has said rapes in Flint have tripled and even “quadrupled.” But FBI data show the number of rapes in Flint has gone down 11 percent, from 103 in 2008 to 92 in 2010.

Biden also said the city’s murder rate has “tripled.” The city says there were a record-high 66 murders last year — double, not triple, the 32 murders that occurred in 2008.


Rapes Haven’t ‘Quadrupled’

The vice president has been touring the country delivering his pitch for the American Jobs Act, President Barack Obama’s $447 billion plan that includes $35 billion to prevent the layoff of police, firefighters and teachers. On Oct. 12, Biden visited Flint, Mich., which has had the highest violent crime rate in the nation for the last two years. The city’s violent crime rate has increased from 20.2 violent crimes per 1,000 residents in 2008 to 22.1 in 2010, a jump of about 9 percent, our analysis of FBI reports shows.

Crime is bad in Flint, no doubt, but Biden makes it out to be worse than it is.





http://factcheck.org/2011/10/bidens-whopper-in-flint-mich/





From the factcheck article, "Biden is right on his larger point: Police staffing has sharply declined, and the number of murders has sharply increased. But the vice president is clearly wrong when he says the number of rapes have “quadrupled,” when in fact they have gone down, or that the murder rate has tripled, when it has doubled."

So he was wrong on the overall numbers but right on the overall argument.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:51 AM

AURAPTOR

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No, he was flat out wrong.



There are many factors which play a part in the increase or decrease of crime in an area. The economy, for one. But Biden's over all angle was that, only by funding cops for a single year, by the federal govt, will rapes and murders go down. He's using completely made up stats, and demagogging the issue, for purely political reasons.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:00 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Maybe he was thinking of all those headless bodies littering the Arizona desert, and including them in his stats.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:56 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Maybe he was thinking of all those headless bodies littering the Arizona desert, and including them in his stats.



Flint is really close to the Mexican border, isn't it ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, October 23, 2011 3:50 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Maybe if Davey Dicks hadn't been too obsessed over fucking with minorities about how baggy their pants were, the Flint PD could actually accomplish something other than just being one more street gang (albeit with official sanction) that the population has to deal with - and don't you know, some of those "unsolved" murders can with little doubt be laid at the doorstep of the department.

Not to mention how many "murders" and "victims of gun violence" are in TRUTH, criminal perps blown away during the commission or attempted commission of a crime, but no one sticks around to talk about it since cops have this goddamn attitude about self defense, cause if folks defend themselves, then there might be QUESTIONS about why we "need" those rapacious, useless, badge bearing bastards anyways...



Cause really, around here it's mostly the same goddamn thing, the only thing those fuckers are "protecting" you from... is THEM - and often not even that.

Stick to you what *DO* understand, before you shovel bullshit ivory tower speculation at someone who all but lives on the front line.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 10:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
A Nobel Peace Prize to Antifa / BLM ?

https://townhall.com/columnists/jeffdavidson/2021/01/31/a-nobel-peace-
prize-to-black-lives-matter-n2583972




lol

Is it too early to bring back the Clown World meme?


I mean, 2020 was a REALLY long year, wasn't it?

Fuck it. I'm going to do it. This deserves it.



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Monday, February 1, 2021 7:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
A Nobel Peace Prize to Antifa / BLM ?

https://townhall.com/columnists/jeffdavidson/2021/01/31/a-nobel-peace-
prize-to-black-lives-matter-n2583972


Biden brings back critical race theory

https://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/3240193-b
iden-brings-back-critical-race-theory.html





U.S. economy contracts in 2020; worst performance since 1946
https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/u-s-economy-contracts-in-2020-wor
st-performance-since-1946.1220887
/

Everybody knew all of this on November 4th, right?

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 4:59 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Embassy in Kabul instructs US citizens to shelter in place amid reports airport is under fire

https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/5679
38-us-embassy-in-kabul-orders-its-citizens-shelter


Thousands of civilians try to get an evacuation flight on the tarmac of # Kabul airport in Afghanistan.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427004820267880449

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 5:13 PM

DREAMTROVE


The problem with necroposts. I was like whoa, we still have auraptor?

I think Joe has no idea where he is

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 7:21 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The problem with necroposts. I was like whoa, we still have auraptor?

I think Joe has no idea where he is

I think the Afghans have no idea where they are. Don't they remember the Taliban? Why aren't the Afghans killing Taliban? There are 40,000,000 Afghans and 80,000 Taliban. It should be a completely unequal fight, except there are actually 0 Afghans fighting 80,000 Taliban. Even the President of Afghanistan left the country. With that one move, 8,000 Taliban, or even as few as 800 Taliban could conquer all of Afghanistan.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/a-tale-of-two-armies-why
-afghan-forces-proved-no-match-for-the-taliban


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 7:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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With that one move, 8,000 Taliban, or even as few as 800 Taliban could conquer all of Afghanistan.



Remember the Alatalibanimo!

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 7:57 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by second:

Why aren't the Afghans killing Taliban?


Because that's not how Kandahar works. And our idea that Kabul decides the fate of that country is our failure to understand how that country works.

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 8:39 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Why aren't the Afghans killing Taliban?


Because that's not how Kandahar works. And our idea that Kabul decides the fate of that country is our failure to understand how that country works.

Because of the primitiveness of human nature, especially human cowardliness, Afghanistan works this way: The people who really know exactly what they want get what they want from everybody else and the people who are afraid of those people who know exactly what they want get whatever is leftover. The Taliban know exactly what they want and they know who to intimidate or kill to get it. It is same in the U.S.A., except instead of killing, Americans call in lawyers. If you have to kill somebody in America to get what you want, it means you don't know the right lawyers. Not so in Afghanistan, where the legal system never has functioned to keep violence in check.

In 2020, there were 1.33 million lawyers in the U.S. In Afghanistan? Are you joking? What is a lawyer?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/740222/number-of-lawyers-us/
https://www.hg.org/lawfirms/afghanistan

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 11:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I can't actually argue that logic.

They're fucking sand people.

Jawas.



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Monday, August 16, 2021 11:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
With that one move, 8,000 Taliban, or even as few as 800 Taliban could conquer all of Afghanistan.



Remember the Alatalibanimo!



Come'on man!

That one wasn't even chuckleworthy?

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Monday, August 16, 2021 9:50 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Come'on man!

That one wasn't even chuckleworthy?

Nothing is funny when it is this expensive:

Estimated amount of direct Afghanistan and Iraq war costs that the United States has debt-financed as of 2020: $2 trillion.

Estimated interest costs by 2050: Up to $6.5 trillion.

THE WARS END. THE COSTS DON’T:

Amount Bilmes estimates the United States has committed to pay in health care, disability, burial and other costs for roughly 4 million Afghanistan and Iraq veterans: more than $2 trillion.

Period those costs will peak: after 2048.

PAYING FOR A WAR ON CREDIT, NOT IN CASH:

Amount President Harry Truman temporarily raised top tax rates to pay for Korean War: 92%.

Amount President Lyndon Johnson temporarily raised top tax rates to pay for Vietnam War: 77%.

Amount President George W. Bush lowered top tax rates for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars: 8%.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-08-14/costs-of-the-
afghanistan-war-in-lives-and-dollars


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, August 17, 2021 12:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Come'on man!

That one wasn't even chuckleworthy?

Nothing is funny when it is this expensive:

Estimated amount of direct Afghanistan and Iraq war costs that the United States has debt-financed as of 2020: $2 trillion.

Estimated interest costs by 2050: Up to $6.5 trillion.

THE WARS END. THE COSTS DON’T:

Amount Bilmes estimates the United States has committed to pay in health care, disability, burial and other costs for roughly 4 million Afghanistan and Iraq veterans: more than $2 trillion.

Period those costs will peak: after 2048.

PAYING FOR A WAR ON CREDIT, NOT IN CASH:

Amount President Harry Truman temporarily raised top tax rates to pay for Korean War: 92%.

Amount President Lyndon Johnson temporarily raised top tax rates to pay for Vietnam War: 77%.

Amount President George W. Bush lowered top tax rates for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars: 8%.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-08-14/costs-of-the-
afghanistan-war-in-lives-and-dollars


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



What's the interest rates on Biden's* first 6 months in office. Your grandkid's grandkids are going to be paying that one off still.

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Friday, June 3, 2022 6:53 AM

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Maine's congressional delegation reacts to Biden's speech

https://news.yahoo.com/maines-congressional-delegation-reacts-bidens-0
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