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The first 2020 presidential debate Tuesday night in Cleveland featured an avalanche of lies from President Donald Trump — while Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden was largely accurate in his statements, though he did make some false or misleading claims.

There were times, particularly during the conclusion of the debate, when almost every comment from Trump was inaccurate. Most of his false claims were ones he’s made before and which have been repeatedly fact-checked and found to be false, rather than one-time slips or gaffes.

www.abc17news.com/politics/national-politics/2020/09/30/fact-check-bid
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I watched the whole thing.

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West Virginia’s Secretary of State Mac Warner refuted President Donald Trump’s claim that a postal worker in the state was “selling ballots”.

The attempted fraud was a “unique circumstance where a postal carrier altered absentee ballot applications, not ballots,” Warner said. Postal worker Thomas Cooper pleaded guilty in July to attempted election fraud and injury to the mail after changing five ballot requests from Democrat to Republican. They would have resulted in Democratic voters receiving ballots featuring Republican primary candidates.

Trump said of ballots in West Virginia, “They’re being sold. They’re being dumped in rivers.” It was among several other false claims the president made about the nation’s election system.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/w-virginia-official-debunks-tru
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www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/politics/west-Virginia-election-fraud.ht
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West Virginia’s Secretary of State Mac Warner refuted President Donald Trump’s claim that a postal worker in the state was “selling ballots”.

The attempted fraud was a “unique circumstance where a postal carrier altered absentee ballot applications, not ballots,” Warner said. Postal worker Thomas Cooper pleaded guilty in July to attempted election fraud and injury to the mail after changing five ballot requests from Democrat to Republican. They would have resulted in Democratic voters receiving ballots featuring Republican primary candidates.

Trump said of ballots in West Virginia, “They’re being sold. They’re being dumped in rivers.” It was among several other false claims the president made about the nation’s election system.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/w-virginia-official-debunks-tru
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www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/politics/west-Virginia-election-fraud.ht
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One gets caught, hundreds don't get caught.

Now THAT is PROOF that it NEVER HAPPENS.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECONDRATE, the most rabidly partisan on board, thinks everyone else is partisan.

It's almost like listening to Democrats claiming that Republicans shredded the Constitution, took bribes from Russia, forced a "quid pro quo" on Ukraine, and destroyed the economy, even as they participated with both hands.

It's just too funny!

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Did you notice how people who accuse others of misbehavior are often guilty of the very same thing themselves?

WISHY, posting that women are better than men at EVERYTHING (sounds kinds sexist, no?) accuses others of sexism.
Also, having fantasized about offing 7+billion people, accuses others of being "fascist".

THUGR, probably the least intellectually gifted on the board, accuses others of beimg "stupid".

REAVERBOT, spectacularly not self-aware, says that others aren't self aware.
Also, while inciting and excusing criminal violence against non-violent others, claims that others are violent.

SECONDRATE, the most rabidly partisan on board, thinks everyone else is partisan.

It's almost like listening to Democrats claiming that Republicans shredded the Constitution, took bribes from Russia, forced a "quid pro quo" on Ukraine, and destroyed the economy, even as they participated with both hands.

It's just too funny!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Did you notice how people who accuse others of misbehavior are often guilty of the very same thing themselves?

WISHY, posting that women are better than men at EVERYTHING (sounds kinds sexist, no?) accuses others of sexism.
Also, having fantasized about offing 7+billion people, accuses others of being "fascist".

THUGR, probably the least intellectually gifted on the board, accuses others of beimg "stupid".

REAVERBOT, spectacularly not self-aware, says that others aren't self aware.
Also, while inciting and excusing criminal violence against non-violent others, claims that others are violent.

SECONDRATE, the most rabidly partisan on board, thinks everyone else is partisan.

It's almost like listening to Democrats claiming that Republicans shredded the Constitution, took bribes from Russia, forced a "quid pro quo" on Ukraine, and destroyed the economy, even as they participated with both hands.

It's just too funny!

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You know, for a long time I have assumed you were a Liberal - and I had thought you had stated such yourself.

But now there is just too much sensible output from you that I am taken aback.

Maybe you suddenly opened your eyes. Maybe you have been hiding this for so long.
I never thought you were dumb - just merely stuck in the media bubble that is SoCal. Effectively meaning brainwashed every day and every hour.

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You know, for a long time I have assumed you were a Liberal - and I had thought you had stated such yourself.

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But now there is just too much sensible output from you that I am taken aback. Maybe you suddenly opened your eyes. Maybe you have been hiding this for so long.
I never thought you were dumb - just merely stuck in the media bubble that is SoCal. Effectively meaning brainwashed every day and every hour.

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You know, for a long time I have assumed you were a Liberal - and I had thought you had stated such yourself.

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Registered Democrat. But that doesn't reflect my political philosophy.

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But now there is just too much sensible output from you that I am taken aback. Maybe you suddenly opened your eyes. Maybe you have been hiding this for so long.
I never thought you were dumb - just merely stuck in the media bubble that is SoCal. Effectively meaning brainwashed every day and every hour.

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Long story. Care for one?

I'm far to the left of "liberal" on some things. I consider "liberals" to be namby-pamby feel-gooders (now called "virtue signallers") who want to feel like they're "nice" or "good" without actually wanting anything to change, or ever challenging the powerful. I'm to the right of "establishment" Republicans, because I'm more nationalistic than they are. OTOH I'm not so naive as Libertarians, who believe that "If we only had real capitalism things would all work out" because capitalism always, ultimately devolves to monopolism/fascism.

I used to think that the Federal government should step in and solve all of our problems. And while I think that there are some problems ONLY a centralized government can solve, I see now that centralized government is like the One Ring, and they way it currently operates it brings ore and more people in thrall to banks and big corporations, and robs people of agency.



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So if there was a function to a national government ... aside from protecting the people from foreign threats and balancing the rights of one group against another ... it would be to actively decentralize almost everything.

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It is far easier to fight a NATIONAL elite than it is to fight an organization in Singapore or Basel or the City of London (which BTW is not London city), or wherever, since issues would be adjudicated in USA courts. So I vote to keep things NATIONAL.

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As for the NYTimes tax story, except for rabid democrats who were never going to vote for Trump anyway, voters I think give it the big ho-hum, as they should. Rich people take every advantage of tax loopholes and ambiguities. And the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. What else is new?

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SECONDRATE: Define your idea of "far easier to fight". Why worry about fighting the International elite, or even the National elite, when the Local elite of, say, Harris County TX (Houston) is impossible to defeat by ordinary people? In a fight, I will get what I want, but maybe the governor or president could stop me in theory, except my lawyers will persuade them to look the other way. If you are a nobody, you're more likely to get justice from the UN or the City of London than from Austin or DC.

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So if there was a function to a national government ... aside from protecting the people from foreign threats and balancing the rights of one group against another ... it would be to actively decentralize almost everything.

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What would NOT be decentralized? I know a few things that should not be given to the 50 states, unless you want the USA to disassemble itself into 50 little nations:

Medicare/Medicaid
Social Security
Income Security (What's that? Read https://budget.house.gov/focus-function-600-income-security-0 )
FAA
CDC
FEMA
Flood Insurance
Army Corp of Engineers
There is more, but you probably get the idea.

I don't think the 50 states could even do something straight forward like each creating their own decentralized version of "The Heroes Act". Some states would, but most of the former United States would do nothing. Nothing at all.
www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6800

Signym, you might want to look at what the Federal Government spends money on before deciding to "actively decentralize almost everything" as you call it. I don't thinks most of the states will make a real effort to do any of those tasks presently done by Washington DC if the Federal government gave responsibility to the states.
www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-does-federal-government-spen
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SECONDRATE: Define your idea of "far easier to fight". Why worry about fighting the International elite, or even the National elite, when the Local elite of, say, Harris County TX (Houston) is impossible to defeat by ordinary people? In a fight, I will get what I want, but maybe the governor or president could stop me in theory, except my lawyers will persuade them to look the other way. If you are a nobody, you're more likely to get justice from the UN or the City of London than from Austin or DC.

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Yeah, right.

I count you as a prime example of a virtue-signaller who never, ever wants anything to change. So, of course you'd like the chance for justice to be thoroughly out of the reach of ordinary Americans. And this is exactly what I'd expect you to say to get to that end.

Let's keep the decision-making here. WE can fix OUR problems (and you, SECONDRATE, are one of those problems) as long as justice stays in our court system.

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SECONDRATE: Define your idea of "far easier to fight". Why worry about fighting the International elite, or even the National elite, when the Local elite of, say, Harris County TX (Houston) is impossible to defeat by ordinary people? In a fight, I will get what I want, but maybe the governor or president could stop me in theory, except my lawyers will persuade them to look the other way. If you are a nobody, you're more likely to get justice from the UN or the City of London than from Austin or DC.

SECONDRATE: Yeah, right.

I count you as a prime example of a virtue-signaller who never, ever wants anything to change. So, of course you'd like the chance for justice to be thoroughly out of the reach of ordinary Americans. And this is exactly what I'd expect you to say to get to that end.

Let's keep the decision-making here. WE can fix OUR problems (and you, SECONDRATE, are one of those problems) as long as justice stays in our court system.

SECONDRATE: "Let's keep the decision-making here." You have no idea that the people making the daily decisions are not on any ballot. The decisions that really control your life are made by people like me,

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who you can see on the street or knock on their office door. You work for them. You buy from them. It is NOT the state government or federal government who controls your life. And people like me and my lawyers are grabbing all the wealth away from you. I've noticed that the poor and the middle class can't or won't act against their local strongmen. Instead they complain that DC is at fault for their hardships. If the middle class keeps acting stupidly and refuses to understand that their local strongmen, their local businesses, their landlords, and their bosses are cheating them, they will lose everything to people like me. Obviously the Federal government could rein in the power of your local strongmen, but that is why the strongmen have purchased control of the Republicans in Congress/Courts/White House, in order to sabotage the Federal government. Or as the Republican Party likes to say: keep taxes and regulations low. What is NOT said is keep lowest for the wealthiest.

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AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M DISCUSSING HERE: WHO LEGALLY CONTROLS THE LAW-MAKING APPARATUS? IS IT CITIZENS, OR FOREIGNERS?

ONCE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY PASSES FROM CITIZENS TO FOREIGN ENTITIES, THERE IS NO HOPE FOR AMERICANS.

YOU SEE WHAT FOREIGN CONTROL LOOKS LIKE BY LOOKING AT COUNTRIES CONTROLLED BY THE IMF OR BY THE EU: CENTRALIZED. NON-DEMOCRATIC, UNREACHABLE TECHNOCRATS DECIDING TO EXTRACT YET MORE WEALTH FROM ALREADY POOR PEOPLE.

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Like I posted SECONDRATE, YOU'RE the problem.

I know that, so stop telling me someting I already know.

But you live here, and your business is subject to American laws, so IF citizens stop wrangling with each other over divisive issues (democrat/republican, male/female, white/nonwhite ... issues btw that TPTB like you just love to stir up) and actually get their shit together, there is a legal way to reduce your influence.

Much as you like to think that you're "all that", you're not the biggest problem. Banks and transnationals are.

Brexit is an example of people finally getting their shit together and bugging out of a foreign technocracy. It doesn't mean that Britain's problems are solved. what it DOES mean is that they now have a pathway to solve them.

And curiously, their Labor Party (ahem!) is a lot like our Democratic Party: complete sellouts to foreign/transnational rule.

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Like I posted SECONDRATE, YOU'RE the problem.

I know that, so stop telling me someting I already know.

But you live here, and your business is subject to American laws, so IF citizens stop wrangling with each other over divisive issues (democrat/republican, male/female, white/nonwhite ... issues btw that TPTB like you just love to stir up) and actually get their shit together, there is a legal way to reduce your influence.

Much as you like to think that you're "all that", you're not the biggest problem. Banks and transnationals are.

Brexit is an example of people finally getting their shit together and bugging out of a foreign technocracy. It doesn't mean that Britain's problems are solved. what it DOES mean is that they now have a pathway to solve them.

And curiously, their Labor Party (ahem!) is a lot like our Democratic Party: complete sellouts to foreign/transnational rule.

SECONDRATE: Brexit promised prosperity. It has not delivered the goods because the Tories don't know how and aren't interested in learning.

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Is it all Libtards who insist upon blaming the victim, and cannot comprehend plain concepts, or is it only Black Tards who are that insipid?



Obiden started off the debate repeating his performance of 2012 against Paul Ryan, when he interrupted Ryan 85 times while Ryan was answering questions (not including the added interruptions from "moderator" Martha Radditz - who kept granting Biden more time whenever he interrupted Ryan), and Ryan never interrupted Joe once.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/mark-levin-biden-tried-using-same-stunt
s-he-used-on-paul-ryan-in-2012-trump-made-sure-it-didnt-work

So on Tuesday, during Trump's very first 2-minute of "uninterrupted" time which Obiden interrupted 3 times, and Trump never interrupted Obiden's time, and "moderator" on the Obiden/Wallace team never directed Obiden to stop interrupting Trump during the agree and negotiated "non-interruption time" - and once Trump had made it obvious that the Wallace/Obiden team would insist upon interrupting him non-stop, he gave them their own medicine.

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With every post, you demonstrate what a know-nothing you are.

(a) Brexit is still being negotiated. Don't you think that it should be implemented for ...oh, say at least ten years BEFORE you judge whether it's a success or a failure?

(b) The economy of Britain is being rocked by Covid-19. Like I've posted many times before, Covid-19 is a shit sandwich no matter which side you bite: either you tank the economy, or people die.

(c) Even WHEN Brexit is negotiated and fully implemented, it is not a promise of prosperity. All Brexit does is re-home the decision-making process. The people of Britain must take the next steps and keep on pushing for true prosperity, and that means - among other things - taking on the City of London (which btw is NOT the London metropolis, it is approximately one square mile of a special zone where all the banks are located).

Jeez, you're such a loser.

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With every post, you demonstrate what a know-nothing you are.

(a) Brexit is still being negotiated. Don't you think that it should be implemented for ...oh, say at least ten years BEFORE you judge whether it's a success or a failure?

(b) The economy of Britain is being rocked by Covid-19. Like I've posted many times before, Covid-19 is a shit sandwich no matter which side you bite: either you tank the economy, or people die.

(c) Even WHEN Brexit is negotiated and fully implemented, it is not a promise of prosperity. All Brexit does is re-home the decision-making process. The people of Britain must take the next steps and keep on pushing for true prosperity, and that means - among other things - taking on the City of London (which btw is NOT the London metropolis, it is approximately one square mile of a special zone where all the banks are located).

Jeez, you're such a loser.

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Two years ago I was listening to the radio in Texas to Tory Jacob Rees-Mogg, Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council, who wanted hard Brexit and he wanted it now, not stretched out over ten years.
www.politico.eu/article/brexit-8-tory-tribes-conservative-party/

It will NOT be the British people who will rule over Britain. It will be this extremely wealthy asshole, UK's very definition of a politically connected strongman.

Being elected fulfilled his ambition to represent the Somerset parliamentary seat in which his family has lived for generations.

Jacob was educated at Eton before reading History at Trinity College Oxford, he then moved into finance being based in Hong Kong and later moving back to London. He set up his own company in 2007 with a group of Partners; it is called Somerset Capital Management and specialises in investment management in global emerging markets for institutional clients.
www.jacobreesmogg.com/about

He has amassed a fortune: his estimated net worth in 2016 was from £55 million to £150 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

Great going, Signym. With Brexit, the peerage will once again lord over the plebeians. Instead of the top 1% running things, as in the US, it will be the top 0.01% in the UK. Thank goodness for Brexit.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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But Reese Mogg can be voted out by the British, unlike (say) Christine Lagarde, who now heads the ECB, Ursula von der Leyen . . .

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