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Boeing 737 Max
Saturday, May 18, 2019 5:58 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Saw a story that Boeing had completed their software upgrade a few days ago. Wonder how many people will take their word for it. And how can their CEO remain in that position, after this disaster?
Sunday, June 2, 2019 8:06 AM
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Sunday, June 9, 2019 7:46 AM
Monday, June 10, 2019 7:29 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by second: How Boeing’s Bean-Counters Courted the 737 MAX Disaster. The company fell into tight-fisted hands — with fatal consequences. www.thedailybeast.com/how-boeing-bean-counters-courted-the-737-max-disaster The decision to launch the MAX was taken by James McNerney, the company’s first boss without a background in aviation, with a résumé that included Procter & Gamble, McKinsey, General Electric and 3M. At GE McNerney was schooled under the hard-nosed bottom-line philosophy of Jack Welch. When McNerney retired as chairman from Boeing at the age of 66 in 2016 he left with $35.8 million, part of it from selling stock but he still retained $238 million in stock and was awarded a pension of $3.2 million for 15 years. (Boeing production line workers had an annual bonus equivalent to nine days of pay.) The days when a single generation of brilliant Boeing engineers doubled the speed at which airliners flew and created the world’s leading airplane company were long gone. It’s true that the costs of making that giant leap meant that Boeing was never a stellar stock market performer, and it took enormous risks. Launching the 747 jumbo nearly bankrupted the company. And Boeing executives were modestly rewarded compared to today’s corporate norms. It was not a culture that McNerney thought admirable. He told financial analysts that running a company on the basis of “every 25 years a big moonshot, produce a 707 or a 787, that’s the wrong way to pursue this business. The more-for-less world will not let you produce moonshots.” But the 737 MAX demonstrates that—regardless of whether you believe in moonshots - the engineering ethic at Boeing has yielded too much power to the profit motive. Saying that the 737 is suboptimal is too technically polite. It doesn’t describe the seriousness of the continual compromises made to avoid launching a new model. Boeing knew that the MAX could never match the quality of an all-new airplane. Boeing had never taken that route with any airplane before; it was not part of the company’s tradition to knowingly settle for second-best. As a result, the bitter irony is that no airplane has made more money for Boeing than the 737, and in the company’s 100-year history no airplane has so jeopardized the company’s reputation.
Thursday, June 20, 2019 6:28 AM
Thursday, June 20, 2019 5:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The pilot who orchestrated the dramatic plane landing in the Hudson River 10 years ago told a congressional panel Wednesday that he can see how crews would have struggled during the recent Boeing 737 MAX crashes after he spent time in a simulator running recreations of the doomed flights. "I recently experienced all these warnings in a 737 MAX flight simulator during recreations of the accident flights. Even knowing what was going to happen, I could see how crews could have run out of time before they could have solved the problems," Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger told the House Transportation Committee during a hearing on the embattled plane model. Sullenberger, whose "Miracle on the Hudson" landing in 2009 saved the lives of all 155 people on board, told the panel that it's important planes don't have "inadvertent traps" for pilots. www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/politics/chesley-sullenberger-boeing-737-max-scenario/index.html "We should all want pilots to experience these challenging situations for the first time in a simulator, not in flight with passengers and crew on board," Sullenberger told lawmakers. "Some (U.S.) crews would have recognized it in time to recover, but some would not have," Carey testified. Sullenberger agreed, saying it's unlikely that more experienced pilots would have had different outcomes, adding, "we shouldn't have to expect pilots to compensate for flawed designs." "These two recent crashes happened in foreign countries," said Sullenberger. "But if we do not address all the important issues and factors, they can and will happen here." www.npr.org/2019/06/19/734248714/pilots-criticize-boeing-saying-737-max-should-never-have-been-approved
Thursday, June 27, 2019 7:06 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Not only are those other interesting stories and updates not as crucially pivotal as this one, but they also serve to underscore this one, more and more.
Thursday, July 25, 2019 12:31 PM
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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:07 PM
Tuesday, August 6, 2019 4:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: They should revoke that last CEO's retirement package, or force him to remain invested in Boeing stock, during it's decline.
Saturday, August 17, 2019 10:56 AM
Wednesday, September 18, 2019 7:08 AM
Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:27 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Didn't that all happen under St Obama's tenure?
Wednesday, September 18, 2019 2:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SLOPPY: The Republican controlled Congress cut the budget to the FAA. The result? Plane crashes. Republicans cut the IRS budget.
Thursday, September 19, 2019 6:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Didn't St Obama sign that budget? Doesn't the buck stop with the President?
Thursday, September 19, 2019 7:24 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Thursday, September 19, 2019 7:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Didn't St Obama sign that budget? Doesn't the buck stop with the President?First point: "The buck stops here" is President Harry S Truman's motto. Truman nuked hundreds of thousands of civilians. Killing all those innocents did NOT bring WWII to a close, no matter what you been told by fools and ignoramuses, and it certainly did start an arms race that cost Truman's country more than $10 trillion and may destroy the world. Obviously, the buck does not stop with the President, for if it did, Truman deserves punishment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_of_the_United_States Second point: Congress writes the budget; not the President. I have heard a thousand times the President blamed for what Congress did. If the President does NOT sign the budget, it is equivalent to the President nuking the Federal Government. See Nagasaki, Hiroshima, and Truman for how destructive that is. Third point: From years of experience, I know you will never stop misunderstanding how government works and who is responsible for what, 1kiki. Not understanding is one of your defining characteristics, along with your feeling that you know what you don't know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Why don't you stop blaming Trump for everything then. Seems you do a lot of picking and choosing what rules you follow and when you follow them. And you're the poster child for Dunning Kruger Syndrome. Not the good one either. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, September 22, 2019 11:00 AM
Sunday, September 22, 2019 1:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol... oh. You want to go back to the thread title now, huh? Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:32 PM
Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SLOPPY: First point: "The buck stops here" is President Harry S Truman's motto. Truman nuked hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Quote:Originally posted by SLOPPY: Second point: Congress writes the budget; not the President.
Quote:Originally posted by SLOPPY: I have heard a thousand times the President blamed for what Congress did. If the President does NOT sign the budget, it is equivalent to the President nuking the Federal Government. See Nagasaki, Hiroshima, and Truman for how destructive that is.
Quote:Originally posted by SLOPPY: Third point: From years of experience, I know you will never stop misunderstanding how government works and who is responsible for what, 1kiki. Not understanding is one of your defining characteristics, along with your feeling that you know what you don't know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:47 PM
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Thursday, October 3, 2019 7:39 AM
Thursday, October 3, 2019 8:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Boeing rejected 737 MAX safety upgrades before fatal crashes, whistleblower says www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-whistleblowers-complaint-says-737-max-safety-upgrades-were-rejected-over-cost/ A Boeing engineer submitted a scathing internal ethics complaint alleging that management had blocked significant safety improvements during the jet’s development. The ethics charge, filed by 33-year-old engineer Curtis Ewbank, whose job involved studying past crashes and using that information to make new planes safer, describes how around 2014 his group presented to managers and senior executives a proposal to add various safety upgrades to the MAX. A version of the proposed system, called synthetic airspeed, was already installed on the 787 Dreamliner, but not on the MAX. The complaint, a copy of which was reviewed by The Seattle Times, suggests that one of the proposed systems could have potentially prevented the crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia that killed 346 people. Three of Ewbank’s former colleagues interviewed for this story concurred. The details revealed in the ethics complaint raise new questions about the culture at Boeing and whether the long-held imperative that safety must be the overarching priority was compromised on the MAX.
Thursday, October 3, 2019 10:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: This might be redundant. Who is really under the impression Boeing did not sell out their reputation with that last CEO, McNerney?
Friday, October 11, 2019 10:06 AM
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Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:43 AM
Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:52 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by second: Wrong signals to the horizontal stabilizer jack-screw crashed two 737 MAXs
Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: One photo shows why Boeing had to shut down production of its grounded 737 Max www.businessinsider.com/photos-show-boeing-737-max-sitting-untouched-snowy-kansas-carpark-2019-12 Photographs show the fuselages of almost 100 Boeing 737 Max planes sitting unused at a Kansas factory. The image was taken by Reuters at the headquarters of Spirit AeroSystems in Wichita, Kansas. Spirit is one of the hundreds of companies in the Boeing supply chain that help produce the finished product. The photo shows Boeing's snarled production line, which was getting ever more clogged as the company built planes that could not be delivered to customers. On Monday, Boeing acknowledged its strategy of building planes that couldn't immediately fly was no longer sustainable, and it said it would freeze the production line in the new year. It is not clear when it will be restarted. Spirit AeroSystems has the capacity to produce about 50 fuselages a month for the Max, and it employs about 13,000 people in Wichita. It is the city's biggest employer. The company earns 80% of its revenue from Boeing, according to data provided to Business Insider by Bloomberg.
Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second: Wrong signals to the horizontal stabilizer jack-screw crashed two 737 MAXs That is one terrifying video, second. Flight is scary enough without having to think it could be down to a giant nut and a giant bolt.
Monday, December 23, 2019 11:17 AM
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SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Monday, December 23, 2019 6:39 PM
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