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my platform as presidential candidate - what's yours?
Saturday, June 29, 2019 3:49 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, June 29, 2019 3:56 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, June 29, 2019 5:10 AM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, given that automation is a choice and not an inevitability
Saturday, June 29, 2019 6:18 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:00 PM
Quote: So, given that automation is a choice and not an inevitability - SIGNY It iz not. A manufacturer will looz the cost game wen hiz competitorz swich to automation and droidz. I xink the only human production that haz a chans in the future will be art and niche products that benefit from 'hand crafted' az a selling point. JO
Quote:The tariff history of the United States spans from 1789 to present. The first tariff law passed by the U.S. Congress, acting under the then-recently ratified Constitution, was the Tariff of 1789. Its purpose was to generate revenue for the federal government (to run the government and to pay the interest on its debt), and also to act as a protective barrier around newly starting domestic industries.[1] An Import tax set by tariff rates was collected by treasury agents before goods could be unloaded at U.S. ports. Tariffs have historically served a key role in the nation's foreign trade policy and as a source of federal income. Tariffs were the greatest (approaching 95% at times) source of federal revenue until the Federal income tax began after 1913. For well over a century the federal government was largely financed by tariffs averaging about 20% on foreign imports.
Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:27 PM
Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:47 PM
Sunday, June 30, 2019 3:23 AM
Sunday, June 30, 2019 6:00 AM
Sunday, June 30, 2019 6:09 AM
Sunday, June 30, 2019 6:52 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: No reply befor kuz I wuz bizzy making stuff.
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Also, for about 10,000$ extra, it can hav a very realistic human appearence, female or male! fully functional female or male. She can hardly wait to welkum Raul to her home.
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: 2032 - Georgia iz still 'employed' az a punch press operator at APL. Still gets a paycheck every week. Still payz income taxez, social security, insurans. Still playz the ball game betting pool, puts a dollar into the Lotto pool. And a few timez a week, she even stops in to chat with everybody for a few owrz. Aside from getting hiz hand crunched in the press, Darnell Jr. (they named him after the painfully skinny old janitor hoo retired last yir kuz her old droid iz hardly more than a stick figure) iz doing great. Raul replased the missing hand in like 2 minits with a new & improved wun. He actually runz 3 pressez kuz he can work so much faster than a human. Don and Dieter wanted to retire anyway, so Howard wuz happy to lower hiz payroll cost. So happy that he desided to be a good Kristian and pay them a pension! Not big - just a few thouzand a yir, rite at the limit before it woud count agenst their social security, but it did wonderz for employee moral wen they showed up at the company picnic and blabbed about it, even tho he told them not to tell anybody. SO! Wuts the differens? Georgia iznt forsing her creaky old joints to earn her pay anymore, but the work iz still getting dun. She ownz the droid, so she gets the money. Wut if the company owned the droid insted?
Sunday, June 30, 2019 9:46 AM
Sunday, June 30, 2019 11:17 AM
Quote:She ownz the droid, so she gets the money. Wut if the company owned the droid insted?
Sunday, June 30, 2019 2:50 PM
Sunday, June 30, 2019 3:02 PM
Sunday, June 30, 2019 3:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753 Wut if the company owned the droid insted? ---------------------------- DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early http://www.7532020.com .
Monday, July 1, 2019 12:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: A/C... what a novelty that would be. The only time I've had A/C in the last 20 years was my apartment in Wisconsin. It wasn't good A/C, but it took the edge off. I've never had working A/C in a car my entire life. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, July 1, 2019 8:40 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:45 AM
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Trump will win unless we have another financial freeze-up like we did in 2008, or some other finacial catastrophe ensues. As far as immigration, IMHO the proposed policy should be a no-brainer: Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary) Change immigration laws to require that ONLY political asylees be given authorization, and require them to present themselves at an official port of entry and to wait outside of the USA while their application is being processed. (Justin Trudeau is such a virtue-signalling ninny, he can take in the Mexicans who're waiting for their applications to be processed.) Deport everyone else post-haste, and hire more judges and streamline the hearing process. Start doing mass raids for illegals, and ship them out of country. Continue to apply pressure on Mexico so that it doesn't just "pass thru" migrants. STOP MEDDLING IN OTHER NATIONS' INTERNAL AFFAIRS ***** Now, if you're going to areas that are beyond a President's purview: Make english the official language of the USA Drop birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment In exchange for the two (above) make citizenship a REQUIREMENT, not an option, for anyone who has been living in the USA crime=free for 25 years. If they don't make the grade, deport them.
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 10:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Trump will win unless we have another financial freeze-up like we did in 2008, or some other finacial catastrophe ensues. As far as immigration, IMHO the proposed policy should be a no-brainer: Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary) Change immigration laws to require that ONLY political asylees be given authorization, and require them to present themselves at an official port of entry and to wait outside of the USA while their application is being processed. (Justin Trudeau is such a virtue-signalling ninny, he can take in the Mexicans who're waiting for their applications to be processed.) Deport everyone else post-haste, and hire more judges and streamline the hearing process. Start doing mass raids for illegals, and ship them out of country. Continue to apply pressure on Mexico so that it doesn't just "pass thru" migrants. STOP MEDDLING IN OTHER NATIONS' INTERNAL AFFAIRS ***** Now, if you're going to areas that are beyond a President's purview: Make english the official language of the USA Drop birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment In exchange for the two (above) make citizenship a REQUIREMENT, not an option, for anyone who has been living in the USA crime=free for 25 years. If they don't make the grade, deport them. Alex, I'll take "Things an American Nazi would say" for $100.
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 10:48 AM
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 10:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Trump will win unless we have another financial freeze-up like we did in 2008, or some other finacial catastrophe ensues. As far as immigration, IMHO the proposed policy should be a no-brainer: Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary) Change immigration laws to require that ONLY political asylees be given authorization, and require them to present themselves at an official port of entry and to wait outside of the USA while their application is being processed. (Justin Trudeau is such a virtue-signalling ninny, he can take in the Mexicans who're waiting for their applications to be processed.) Deport everyone else post-haste, and hire more judges and streamline the hearing process. Start doing mass raids for illegals, and ship them out of country. Continue to apply pressure on Mexico so that it doesn't just "pass thru" migrants. STOP MEDDLING IN OTHER NATIONS' INTERNAL AFFAIRS ***** Now, if you're going to areas that are beyond a President's purview: Make english the official language of the USA Drop birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment In exchange for the two (above) make citizenship a REQUIREMENT, not an option, for anyone who has been living in the USA crime=free for 25 years. If they don't make the grade, deport them. Alex, I'll take "Things an American Nazi would say" for $100. Yeah, because "American Nazis" are SOOOO insistent about not intervening in other nations' internal affairs and SOOOO insistent about making long-term illegal aliens citizens! Alex, I'll take "Things a liberaloid troll would say for $50".
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 11:19 AM
Quote: OK - these Nazi things: "Deport everyone else post-haste, and hire more judges and streamline the hearing process." "Start doing mass raids for illegals, and ship them out of country." (like they're packages) "In exchange for the two (above) make citizenship a REQUIREMENT, not an option, for anyone who has been living in the USA crime=free for 25 years. If they don't make the grade, deport them." how you gonna pay for that? You can't is how, mijo.
Quote:"...he can take in the Mexicans who're waiting for their applications to be processed." They're not all Mexicans. I'm guessing you've had some bad experiences with some Mexicans to single them out like that...?
Quote:"Drop birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment " - so you'd ship Melania's parents back?
Quote:"Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)" https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work
Quote:Immigration is easy to solve when all you have to do is type on a forum!
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 12:51 PM
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Pay for making citizenship a requirement? Pay for increased number of judges? Pay for streamlining the process? Pay for deporting people? It would be such a tiny part of our overall Federal budget, we could pay for it by simply not buying a couple of F35s. Or maybe pulling our troops out of Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan. Or not sending an aircraft carrier group on a world cruise. I don't understand your point. Do you have one?
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: No. The problem is that Mexico can hold people from Central America if they're requesting asylum in the USA (hmmm... why not request asylum from Mexico, again?) because Mexico is not the nation at fault. However, if there are MEXICANS requesting asylum, where are they supposed to stay? Mexico? They need to go to some third country. Since Trudeau is all about diversity and helping the poor migrants, I thought maybe Canada would be a good choice.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: (You DO know what birthright citizenship is, don't you?)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: "Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)" Well, it works for Israel and it works for Hungary, so why not here?
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: This is a DISCUSSION forum, or haven't you noticed?
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I'm trying to come up with an integrated policy that SOLVES several problems, not knee-jerk sound-bites that candidates and liberaloids (or conservatives) would be happy with.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The most important part is to look at and eliminate the root cause of migrant crises, and the second most important part is to eliminate our moral culpability for creating those conditions. At the same time, "diversity" is a pointless exercise. Do you think you and your wife would get along better and be stronger together if you didn't speak at least ONE common language? If one of you held a significant grudge against the other? If one of you was committed to the marriage but the other didn't even believe in the institution? Hey, if we're not together on this project called "America" then America isn't going to last.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I tossed in the citizenship pathway (many years ago) to sweeten the pot for making the other necessary changes (making English language official, eliminating birthright citizenship) acceptable. Quid pro quo. The reason why I think citizenship needs to be a REQUIREMENT (not an option) is because I don't believe that any nation is well-served by having a significant number of people living within its borders who're not committed to their nation of residence. This goes for Finns and Canadians and Chinese who're living here illegally (mostly visa overstays) as well as Hispanics (mostly border-jumpers). Just look at the problems Sweden, Germany, and France are having with ther migrant crises. There are only so many people you can integrate culturally and economically into your system: it's a rate-limiting step. I recall listening to one of NPR's many OHTHEPOORMIGRANT stories about a guy in South Gate describing how he started coming to a particular park 40 years ago to celebrate the 4th of July. In Spanish. FORTY YEARS, and he hasn't learned the fucking language yet??? My dad had to learn English, my husband and his whole family had to learn English, my mom and HER parents had to learn English. WTH???
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 3:36 PM
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:52 PM
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:56 PM
Quote:Pay for making citizenship a requirement? Pay for increased number of judges? Pay for streamlining the process? Pay for deporting people? It would be such a tiny part of our overall Federal budget, we could pay for it by simply not buying a couple of F35s. Or maybe pulling our troops out of Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan. Or not sending an aircraft carrier group on a world cruise. I don't understand your point. Do you have one? - SIGNY Yes, the same point I make one over and over that you always ignore: just because you "could pay for it on paper" means absolutely nothing in terms of real life. Look at your list! It's ridiculous pie in the sky funding. None of that's going to happen. What CAN happen is almost always different than those dreamy plans you have. Look at who you're dealing with and look at our history. Now, if you were living in a dictatorship like Trump would like us to be, you could just do it.- CC
Quote:No. The problem is that Mexico can hold people from Central America if they're requesting asylum in the USA (hmmm... why not request asylum from Mexico, again?) because Mexico is not the nation at fault. However, if there are MEXICANS requesting asylum, where are they supposed to stay? Mexico? They need to go to some third country. Since Trudeau is all about diversity and helping the poor migrants, I thought maybe Canada would be a good choice.- SIGNY They don't want to live in Mexico or they would. Why travel more miles without food and water or very little, if they don't have to? And - FUNDING - Mexico is sure as hell not going to intercede on our behalf after the sh*t Trump has said about them. -CC
Quote:(You DO know what birthright citizenship is, don't you?)- SIGNY Yes of course, if your pregnant mother drags herself across the border and gives birth to you here, bingo, you're a citizen. You do know that's not too much different than what Melanie's parents went through, don't you?- CC
Quote: "Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)" Well, it works for Israel and it works for Hungary, so why not here?- SIGNY We're not them and again, funding. Just cuz you can think it up doesn't mean it can happen. That's what Trump and the GOP depend on: people's imaginations being about 1/50th% accurate, but 100% easy to appeal to.
Quote:This is a DISCUSSION forum, or haven't you noticed? -SIGNY I am discussing why many of your ideas won't work unless we lived in a dictatorship.- CC
Quote: I'm trying to come up with an integrated policy that SOLVES several problems, not knee-jerk sound-bites that candidates and liberaloids (or conservatives) would be happy with. - SIGNY That's what a number of your ideas sound like to me. They are sound bites and mostly impractical in real world settings. "Round 'em up and ship 'em back to wherever they came from!" You have no idea how much that would cost or how you would implement that - total sound bite.- CC
Quote: The most important part is to look at and eliminate the root cause of migrant crises, and the second most important part is to eliminate our moral culpability for creating those conditions. At the same time, "diversity" is a pointless exercise. Do you think you and your wife would get along better and be stronger together if you didn't speak at least ONE common language? If one of you held a significant grudge against the other? If one of you was committed to the marriage but the other didn't even believe in the institution? Hey, if we're not together on this project called "America" then America isn't going to last. - SIGNY I've agreed with you before on one language. I say free English language training for all legal immigrants. I agree with you on: "eliminate the root cause of migrant crises," but that's pretty hard to define or at least agree on. especially in this political climate and with this president. He hates non-whites. If we don't agree on that then we're just not going to agree on most of this. - CC
Quote: I tossed in the citizenship pathway (many years ago) to sweeten the pot for making the other necessary changes (making English language official, eliminating birthright citizenship) acceptable. Quid pro quo. The reason why I think citizenship needs to be a REQUIREMENT (not an option) is because I don't believe that any nation is well-served by having a significant number of people living within its borders who're not committed to their nation of residence. This goes for Finns and Canadians and Chinese who're living here illegally (mostly visa overstays) as well as Hispanics (mostly border-jumpers). Just look at the problems Sweden, Germany, and France are having with ther migrant crises. There are only so many people you can integrate culturally and economically into your system: it's a rate-limiting step. I recall listening to one of NPR's many OHTHEPOORMIGRANT stories about a guy in South Gate describing how he started coming to a particular park 40 years ago to celebrate the 4th of July. In Spanish. FORTY YEARS, and he hasn't learned the fucking language yet??? My dad had to learn English, my husband and his whole family had to learn English, my mom and HER parents had to learn English. WTH???- SIGNY Meh - that feels fascist to me. If I moved to Italy I wouldn't expect them to knock on my door and tell me I have to learn Italian.
Thursday, July 4, 2019 11:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Been offline 4 dayz. Powr & interweb wirez got ripped by a falling tree in my back yard from the nayborz back yard. ComEd got the powr bak yesterday. The Comcast cable tek never showed up, so I fixed it myself today. I see the GRU ajents are partisipating in the '2016 Trump campane wuz the victim' fairy tale being pushed hard theze dayz. Good video, CC. I did rite a few storyz in NQaLF: http://www.nqalf.com/STOREZ.html
Thursday, July 4, 2019 12:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Pay for making citizenship a requirement? Pay for increased number of judges? Pay for streamlining the process? Pay for deporting people? It would be such a tiny part of our overall Federal budget, we could pay for it by simply not buying a couple of F35s. Or maybe pulling our troops out of Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan. Or not sending an aircraft carrier group on a world cruise. I don't understand your point. Do you have one? - SIGNY Yes, the same point I make one over and over that you always ignore: just because you "could pay for it on paper" means absolutely nothing in terms of real life. Look at your list! It's ridiculous pie in the sky funding. None of that's going to happen. What CAN happen is almost always different than those dreamy plans you have. Look at who you're dealing with and look at our history. Now, if you were living in a dictatorship like Trump would like us to be, you could just do it.- CC Are you saying that just because we can't solve anything by discussing online, we shouldn't post anything at all? 'Cause if that's the case, then why all these posts about Trump? Quote:No. The problem is that Mexico can hold people from Central America if they're requesting asylum in the USA (hmmm... why not request asylum from Mexico, again?) because Mexico is not the nation at fault. However, if there are MEXICANS requesting asylum, where are they supposed to stay? Mexico? They need to go to some third country. Since Trudeau is all about diversity and helping the poor migrants, I thought maybe Canada would be a good choice.- SIGNY They don't want to live in Mexico or they would. Why travel more miles without food and water or very little, if they don't have to? And - FUNDING - Mexico is sure as hell not going to intercede on our behalf after the sh*t Trump has said about them. -CC when you're asking for political asylum you're looking for protection from your own government. If you start picking and choosing where you want to be an asylee, then clearly OTHER factors are at work ... economic factors ... and you become an economic migrant, not a political asylee. Quote:(You DO know what birthright citizenship is, don't you?)- SIGNY Yes of course, if your pregnant mother drags herself across the border and gives birth to you here, bingo, you're a citizen. You do know that's not too much different than what Melanie's parents went through, don't you?- CC I have no idea what her parents went thru. She herself wasn't born in the USA, she's a naturalized citizen so there's no comparison to between her parents' situation and birthright citizenship. Quote: "Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)" Well, it works for Israel and it works for Hungary, so why not here?- SIGNY We're not them and again, funding. Just cuz you can think it up doesn't mean it can happen. That's what Trump and the GOP depend on: people's imaginations being about 1/50th% accurate, but 100% easy to appeal to. I could say the same, but about 250X that, about Ocasio Cortez. The wall is a trivial amount of funding ($4 billion) in an almost $1T budget. Something like universal basic income would consume the entire budget, and then some! Quote:This is a DISCUSSION forum, or haven't you noticed? -SIGNY I am discussing why many of your ideas won't work unless we lived in a dictatorship.- CC I don't see anything "dictatorial" about them. Many of my suggestions are within the purview of a President. Some require the input of Congress. If enough people are convinced that these are good policies to follow they'll vote that way. It seems to me that you're afraid that people might be convinced to change their minds, instead of being swayed by the bullshit, hysterics, and hype in all directions? Quote: I'm trying to come up with an integrated policy that SOLVES several problems, not knee-jerk sound-bites that candidates and liberaloids (or conservatives) would be happy with. - SIGNY That's what a number of your ideas sound like to me. They are sound bites and mostly impractical in real world settings. "Round 'em up and ship 'em back to wherever they came from!" You have no idea how much that would cost or how you would implement that - total sound bite.- CC That's called "enforcing the law". As SECOND has so often pointd out, Obama did more ofthat than Trump. Quote: The most important part is to look at and eliminate the root cause of migrant crises, and the second most important part is to eliminate our moral culpability for creating those conditions. At the same time, "diversity" is a pointless exercise. Do you think you and your wife would get along better and be stronger together if you didn't speak at least ONE common language? If one of you held a significant grudge against the other? If one of you was committed to the marriage but the other didn't even believe in the institution? Hey, if we're not together on this project called "America" then America isn't going to last. - SIGNY I've agreed with you before on one language. I say free English language training for all legal immigrants. I agree with you on: "eliminate the root cause of migrant crises," but that's pretty hard to define or at least agree on. especially in this political climate and with this president. He hates non-whites. If we don't agree on that then we're just not going to agree on most of this. - CC The proximate cause of the migrant crises is WHY so many people feel compelled to leave their homes and migrate. It has NOTHING to do with whether or not Trump "hates" nonwhites. Because Trump "hates" nonwhites they feel compelled to move here? Quote: I tossed in the citizenship pathway (many years ago) to sweeten the pot for making the other necessary changes (making English language official, eliminating birthright citizenship) acceptable. Quid pro quo. The reason why I think citizenship needs to be a REQUIREMENT (not an option) is because I don't believe that any nation is well-served by having a significant number of people living within its borders who're not committed to their nation of residence. This goes for Finns and Canadians and Chinese who're living here illegally (mostly visa overstays) as well as Hispanics (mostly border-jumpers). Just look at the problems Sweden, Germany, and France are having with ther migrant crises. There are only so many people you can integrate culturally and economically into your system: it's a rate-limiting step. I recall listening to one of NPR's many OHTHEPOORMIGRANT stories about a guy in South Gate describing how he started coming to a particular park 40 years ago to celebrate the 4th of July. In Spanish. FORTY YEARS, and he hasn't learned the fucking language yet??? My dad had to learn English, my husband and his whole family had to learn English, my mom and HER parents had to learn English. WTH???- SIGNY Meh - that feels fascist to me. If I moved to Italy I wouldn't expect them to knock on my door and tell me I have to learn Italian. If I moved to Italy and expected to become a citizen, I sure as hell would expect to HAVE to learn Italian. Learning English BTW is a current requirement for citizenship. And just as a practical matter, if I lived and worked anywhere outside of an English-speaking country, I would expect to HAVE to learn the dominant language of the country. I wouldn't want to be one of those entitled expats living in a gated community and expecting everyone to speak MY language. That's the definition of the "ugly American" and it's ugly no matter WHO is doing it.
Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:07 PM
Friday, July 5, 2019 2:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: There has never been a single instance of anything anywhere to back up any claims that Trump hates non-whites. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, July 5, 2019 8:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: There has never been a single instance of anything anywhere to back up any claims that Trump hates non-whites.
Friday, July 5, 2019 8:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: There has never been a single instance of anything anywhere to back up any claims that Trump hates non-whites. Except that time he said, "God I hate non-whites."
Friday, July 5, 2019 8:48 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: There has never been a single instance of anything anywhere to back up any claims that Trump hates non-whites. Except that time he said, "God I hate non-whites." Ya don't say? And he was that polite about it too? Video or it didn't happen. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, July 5, 2019 9:23 AM
Friday, July 5, 2019 9:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: CC: Says Trump is racist. Backs up claim by showing a video of CNN's most racist "news" anchor saying that Trump is racist. Hate to break it to ya, bud. Hillary started the whole birther thing. Trump ran with it. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, July 5, 2019 9:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: CC: Says Trump is racist. Backs up claim by showing a video of CNN's most racist "news" anchor saying that Trump is racist. Hate to break it to ya, bud. Hillary started the whole birther thing. Trump ran with it.
Friday, July 5, 2019 9:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Here, we have attempted to compile a definitive list of his racist comments – or at least the publicly known ones. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
Friday, July 5, 2019 9:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: There has never been a single instance of anything anywhere to back up any claims that Trump hates non-whites. Do Right, Be Right. :) I agree. For all of the blah-blah-blah that's brought to the board here, there hasn't been one policy that I can say is aimed at "nonwhites". People point to Trump's immigration policies and ASSUME that they're based on racism (hmmm... maybe because the ppl making the accusation are themselves racist?) but I can see other more compelling reasons (nationalism, economics, security) to implement the same policies without involving "racism" whatsoever. And then again, Trump has killed a lot fewer faraway brown people than Obama, or Bush. Obama just got a "pass" because he's a Democrat, and black. (Is that racism, again? Holding people to different standards because of skin color? Just a thought...)
Friday, July 5, 2019 9:44 AM
Quote:Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.
Quote:Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said Trump criticized a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
Quote:In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he argued they were guilty as late as October 2016, more than 10 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them.
Quote:In 1989, on NBC, Trump said: “I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that. I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really believe they do have an actual advantage.”
Quote:He began his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”
Quote:He uses the gang MS-13 to disparage all immigrants. Among many other statements, he has suggested that Obama’s protection of the Dreamers — otherwise law-abiding immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally as children — contributed to the spread of MS-13.
Quote:In December 2015, Trump called for a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time.
Quote:Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage.
Friday, July 5, 2019 9:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: And now I'm getting bored and I really have shit to do today. Maybe I'll come back to this later... assuming of course Microsoft doesn't force a restart of windows and the article is still open. Otherwise I won't be able to even read the article without paying the NYT to read their trash rag. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, July 5, 2019 12:40 PM
Quote: You missed something: - No, Free Speech
Quote:It can be both, duh. Would anyone seek asylum in the Congo?- CC
Quote:There totally is similarity - she was an anchor citizen.- CC
Quote:How would you FUND that? Real World? Remember?
Quote:The Wall would not be $4 MORE billion, but it’s effect would be trivial. At least citizens would get help with UBI (as absurd as that is as well).- CC
Quote:“Enforcing the law” still takes FUNDING no matter how much you want to ignore that fact - you going to write a check? -CC
Quote:- It’s because Trump hates non-whites that he will never $help the "shit hole" countries they come from.
Quote:Good for you! I’d want to learn the language too.
Quote:So let me ask you on this last one: How are you going to FUND enforcing that? How many Language Enforcement Officers will you need? How are you going to determine if someone can speak the language well enough? What are the standards? Who decides? What are you going to do if your enforcement militia determines they can’t speak to your standards? Deport? Remove a pinky? I get the feeling you haven't thought this through very far, just pumping out sound bites.- CC
Quote:I guess I'll do what you try to and assume you agree with everything I posted since you didn't respond.
Friday, July 5, 2019 3:45 PM
Friday, July 5, 2019 5:09 PM
Quote: Didn't miss it, Just too busy to reply, most of which wasn't worth replying to anyway.-SIGNY - I love how you inspire discussion. Yanno, most all of your replies below are just flat out pretty damn stupid. I mean, brain dead stupid. And that's what we see from almost all of the pro-Trump supporters on this board. Lies, deflection, idiocy - it's the only way to ignore the obvious is to construct a phony responses. Nothing new!- cc
Quote:OK, so you can continue to irrationality hate on Trump and I can continue to logically work through the causes and possible solutions of some of our national problems. Good to know!- SIGNY - he's the most powerful single human on the planet, so yes, I will continue to rationally expect more from him and not be satisfied until he's out of office. Pretty stupid - or telling - that you don't find that important as well.-cc
Quote:Well, if you were in Rwanda during the height of the massacre, the Congo might look like an infinitely safer place. The pickier someone is about their chosen bolthole, the less compelling their claims of politically-motivated violence. -SIGNY - Welp, they're in Mexico, not Rwanda. Kinda the point.-cc
Quote:They are now naturalized citizens of the USA. If they could become citizens, why are so many parrents (sic) of "anchor babies" not?- SIGNY - so like I said, a lot like Melanie - thanks for agreeing. Nice deflection about the parents.-cc
Quote:Thru the Federal budget, like any other program is funded. Heck, you're all willing to blow thru a trillion dollars (That's a "thousand billion" for anyone who is counting without regard for "real world" consequences, I have not yet heard you make a peep about the Federal deficit. But we can imagine, for example, that troop reductions abroad would lead to budgetary savings at home. If you're saying that the Democrats in Congress wouldn't allow such a thing ... well, Republicans won't allow Medicare for all and they're both stupid. It still doesn't mean that my proposal doesn't make sense.- SIGNY - I made lots of peeps about the federal budget, even ringing the bell once
Quote:for a federal balanced budget amendment. I guess you were too busy.-cc
Quote: If you think that walls are trivial, why don't you just leave the doors to your house opne? Sure, a locked door won't deter a REALLY determined thief, but it WILL deter the vast majority. Other nations don't seem to find the effect of THEIR walls "trivial". - like I said, the sh*t you post is pretty stupid. I already posted one linked article about why Donald's wall won't work -
Quote: in this thread even. Guess you didn't read it. And his motivation isn't even about getting one - it's about using it to foment anger towards brown people from the south - that is also pretty obvious.-cc
Quote:Again, you DO know that there's a budget for law enforcement, right? And it's a relatively small one, but - more importnatly- it falls under DHS. So why not take the money used to fund all of the illegal data collection activities that DHS is running (like pulling the plug on the ginormous data center in Utah) and turn it instead to immigration enforcement?- SIGNY - Ok, sure! Make it so! Pizza every day!- CC
Quote:We're discussing (or, I thought we were discussing) whether or not the policies that I suggest make sense, not whether it's politically impossible because Congresspeople are idiots. - SIGNY - they don't make sense to me. I thought that was obvious. I live in the real world where just spitballing is a waste of time, especially grating when someone wants to act like they have all the answers.
Quote: Understanding FUNDING seems to be the real snag for you.-cc
Quote: Also, just understanding that under our current political system, what can seem logical and obvious solution - even extremely popular with a huge majority of citizens - doesn't mean it will or can happen.- CC
Quote:FIRST, DO NO HARM. If he can refrain from bombing the snot out of other "brown people" nations, like Obama and GWB did, we will a million people and light-years ahead of where we are now. - your response has nothing to do with my challenge. Nice deflection.-CC
Quote: So, why does someone in this country for 40 years NOT learn the language? =SIGNY - they never felt the need to would be my best guess. -cc
Quote: There are several parts to this: There are people who're here illegally. They should be deported, whether or not they speak English. I will take a guess and say that will eliminate most of the non=English-speaking people here. There are people here legally on visas (tourist, student, business etc. They have no requirement to speak English, altho many of them do. And then there are citizens. They are BY LAW ALREADY REQUIRED TO SPEAK ENGLISH TO OBTAIN CITIZENSHIP. By making English the official language of the USA, all it means is that official documents only need to be provided in English. You don't need language police (like the Quebecois do). I WOULD say, however, the the State of CA should stop helpfully providing election materials in 12 different languages, since only citizens can vote and citizens (presumably) speak English. -SIGNY - so will you provide free English language classes? And it still sounds facist as hell to me.-CC
Friday, July 5, 2019 5:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: - I love how you inspire discussion. Yanno, most all of your replies below are just flat out pretty damn stupid. I mean, brain dead stupid. And that's what we see from almost all of the pro-Trump supporters on this board. Lies, deflection, idiocy - it's the only way to ignore the obvious is to construct a phony responses. Nothing new!
Quote:Originally posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: - he's the most powerful single human on the planet ... and he's the cause of EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM THE ENTIRE PLANET HAS !!!!! Which is why I REFUSE to discuss issues!
Quote:Originally posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: - Welp, they're in Mexico, not Rwanda. Kinda the point.
Quote:Originally posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: - I made lots of peeps about the federal budget, even ringing the bell once for a federal balanced budget amendment. I guess you were too busy.
Quote:Originally posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: - like I said, the sh*t you post is pretty stupid ... AND THAT"S HOW I MAKE MY CASE AND *PROMOTE* DISCUSSION. With ad hominem attacks!
Quote:posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: I already posted one linked article about why Donald's wall won't work - in this thread even. AND THAT'S HOW I MAKE MY CASE AND *PROMOTE* DISCUSSION. ... by misrepresenting articles I post! Like THIS!
Quote:posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: Guess you didn't read it ... and by snark, like THIS!
Quote:posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: And by attributing motivations I can't possibly know! Like THIS!!! And his motivation isn't even about getting one - it's about using it to foment anger towards brown people from the south - that is also pretty obvious.
Quote:posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: And by posting idiotic snark as if it was meaningful! Look at THIS!- Ok, sure! Make it so! Pizza every day!
Quote:posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: And by refusing to discuss anything and pretending to have knowledge I *CAN'T ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE* - like THIS! I live in the real world where just spitballing is a waste of time, especially grating when someone wants to act like they have all the answers. Understanding FUNDING seems to be the real snag for you. Also, just understanding that under our current political system, what can seem logical and obvious solution - even extremely popular with a huge majority of citizens - doesn't mean it will or can happen.
Quote:posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: And changing the topic, like THIS!! - your response has nothing to do with my challenge. Nice deflection.
Quote:posted by CEREAL-MUSH-BRAINZ: And posting yet MORE snark to avoid discussion - Like THIS!!- so will you provide free English language classes?
Sunday, July 7, 2019 7:09 AM
Sunday, July 7, 2019 9:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: And now I'm getting bored and I really have shit to do today. Maybe I'll come back to this later... assuming of course Microsoft doesn't force a restart of windows and the article is still open. Otherwise I won't be able to even read the article without paying the NYT to read their trash rag. Do Right, Be Right. :)The NYT labels articles as "opinion" when it happened sometime other than yesterday, since it is not "new" or "news".
Quote:At a June 2016 campaign rally, Trump pointed to one attendee and said: “Oh, look at my African-American over here. Look at him.” (Youtube link removed from quote since it messes up the page formatting. Look to Second's original post above.)
Quote:If you open the NYT link in private window, you don't need worry about their limit of 10 "free" articles per month. Try it: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
Sunday, July 7, 2019 1:49 PM
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