Sign Up | Log In
REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS
Ocasio-Cortez, the Democratic Socialists, and end to Capitalism
Saturday, December 1, 2018 2:44 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:On June 26, 2018, Ocasio-Cortez won the Democratic primary in New York's 14th congressional district covering parts of the Bronx and Queens in New York City, defeating the incumbent Congressman, Democratic Caucus Chair Joe Crowley, in what was described as the biggest upset victory in the 2018 midterm election primaries.[12] Ocasio-Cortez is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
Quote: The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States. DSA’s members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly democratic socialist presence in American communities and politics. At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people. For example, we support reforms that: decrease the influence of money in politics empower ordinary people in workplaces and the economy restructure gender and cultural relationships to be more equitable. We are activists committed to democracy as not simply one of our political values but our means of restructuring society. Our vision is of a society in which people have a real voice in the choices and relationships that affect the entirety of our lives. We call this vision democratic socialism — a vision of a more free, democratic and humane society. We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms to achieve equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships. DSA has a youth section, Young Democratic Socialists of America (YDSA). Made up of students from colleges and high schools, the YDSA works on economic justice and democracy and prison justice projects. It is a member of the International Union of Socialist Youth, an affiliate of the Socialist International. YDSA meets several times during the year. Please join DSA as we work to help build a better and more just world for all.
Quote:By Duane Campbell In spite of the economic boom for the wealthy, working people in the U.S. have yet to receive a significant improvement in their standard of living for over 30 years. At the same time, democratic forces are once again confronted with anti-immigrant campaigns- this time fostered and promoted by a president of the U.S. As socialists, we stand with and among the U.S. working class in opposition to the rule of the transnational corporations and their exploitation of the economy and their despoliation of our lives, our society and our environment. We are currently experiencing a major restructuring of the global economy directed by the transnational corporations to produce profits for their corporate owners. The impoverishment of the vast majority of people in pursuit of profits for a small minority has pushed millions to migrate in search of food, jobs, and security. Global capitalism produces global migration. Along with wars NAFTA and other “Free Trade” deals each produce a new waves of migration. Socialists support the rights of working people to organize, to form unions, and to protect their rights and to advance their interests. Unions have always been an important part of how socialists seek to make our economic justice principles come alive. Working people - gathered together and exploited in the capitalist workplace-are well positioned to fight their common exploitation. Current immigration laws and practices, imposed upon us all by the corporations and their control of our government, often prevent working class unity by dividing workers against each other and by creating categories of workers with few rights to organize and thus to protect their own interests. The neoliberal capitalist economic system now being created by the relentless merging of the world's markets also impoverishes the majority of U.S. workers. The average U.S. worker has experienced a decline in their real wages since 1979. Quality industrial jobs have moved to low-wage, anti-union areas in the U.S. and to Mexico, China, Singapore, Vietnam, India and other nations. At present the U.S. has no significant controls on capital flight. Indeed, the U.S. government subsidizes some corporations to move jobs to Honduras, El Salvador, and the Caribbean. The economic restructuring of Asia, Africa, and Latin America has pushed millions to migrate to the U.S. and Europe in search of a decent standard of living. In the two decades leading up to 2008, the U.S. experienced a major increase in immigration matching the immigration influx to the U.S. of the period from 1890-1910. The large-scale immigration was largely from Asia and Latin America. It has changed the ethnic and cultural makeup of the labor force and the working class in many states and urban areas. At the same time, in both Europe and the U.S., among others, we see an intensification of narrow economic nationalism and the blaming of immigrants for the economic troubles of capitalism. U.S. economic policy (called neoliberal capitalism) promotes the movement of capital and goods across borders to increase profits while at the same time it increases barriers to worker mobility . Since 2004 there has been a militarization of the U.S.-Mexican border, a proposal to build a wall, and the significant increase in in arrests and internal enforcement threatening immigrant labor. The result is a situation in which workers on both sides of this border and around the world have been disempowered and impoverished. In the current climate the economic forces of global corporate capitalism (neoliberal capitalism) are unrestrained. Corporations encourage the movement of capital, and thus jobs, to low-wage areas. When workers attempt to exercise their power against these conditions via forming unions and organizing to withhold labor, their efforts are easily undermined by repression and the ever-looming threat of factories moving overseas. Labor unions and even local governments lose their power to hold capital accountable and all workers are forced to accept ever-worsening wages and working conditions. Current border enforcement makes exploitation possible by dividing the global working class into competing sectors and thus inhibiting the possibility of building a united working class movement. As socialists, as internationalists, we know that rather than building walls and more prisons, what would really help workers to raise wages and improve living conditions is much stricter enforcement of worker protection and anti-discrimination laws, including the right to form democratic unions. Contrary to the Trump Administration narrative, immigrants create new jobs in the U.S. by buying homes, spending their income and paying taxes. A legal flow of immigrants based upon workforce demand will strengthen the U.S. economy by keeping productivity high and countering the negative impacts of the aging of the U.S. population. Threats by employers who use immigration status to keep workers from organizing unions or protesting illegal conditions should be a crime. When there's no punishment for violating labor rights, workers have no rights. We should prohibit immigration enforcement during labor disputes or against workers who complain about illegal conditions. The problem with our economy is not immigration; the problem is our broken immigration laws that allow business to exploit workers who lack legal status, driving down wages for all workers. If all immigrants were allowed to participate in our system, pay their dues, and become citizens, we could block the corporations’ exploitation and eliminate the two-tiered workforce while building a united labor movement that raises wages and living standards for all workers. In the end, we need an immigration policy that brings people together instead of pitting workers against each other. We need an immigration policy that benefits migrants, their home communities, and working people here in the U.S. And we need a national policy that limits U.S. military and economic interventions in other parts of the world. As socialists we support reforms that would grant immediate permanent resident status to all current undocumented workers and their children and that would establish an expeditious and non punitive route to citizenship for these workers and their families. As socialists, we struggle for a system that produces security, not insecurity. We need a commitment to equality and equal status for all. We need to make it easier for workers to organize and protect themselves through unions. All workers must have full labor rights, including the right to organize, the right to protest unjust labor conditions, the right to change employers, and the right to form unions of their choice. We will work with immigrant rights organizations to promote family reunification, to halt deportations, to demilitarize our borders, and to help all of our children- regardless of legal status- to realize the dream of attaining a university education. Duane Campbell is a professor emeritus of bilingual multicultural education at California State University Sacramento, a union activist, and former chair of Sacramento DSA. He is the Director of the Mexican American Digital History project. He is also the co-chair of DSA’s Immigrants’ Rights Committee. The committee can be found on the DSA website.
Quote:The neoliberal capitalist economic system now being created by the relentless merging of the world's markets also impoverishes the majority of U.S. workers.
Saturday, December 1, 2018 7:21 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Saturday, December 1, 2018 8:20 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, December 1, 2018 9:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Hmmm... I'm not sure it's fair to judge Ocasio-Cortez on a "platform" that wasn't hers. That's like judging Trump because of Adelson, or Obama on his (presumed) affiliation with Jeremiah Wright.
Quote:But I have a couple of things to say about this topic anyway: 1) "Capitalism" is ALREADY dead. Capitalism depends on competition, and since the biggest companies have gobbled up most of the medium-sized companies that are worth having, what we have is sheer out-and-out monopolism. Tsk tsk. As socialists, they should at least be familiar with what Marx and Lenin said on the topic, which was that the direction of capitalism is always towards monopolism since the big gobble up the small.
Quote:2) What the Democratic Socialists of America appear to be are "Trotskyists". What that mean is that they're committed to globalism in their own way... a globalist worker's revolution. Frankly, I think it's a stupid and dangerous pipe dream because it promotes the development of globalist elites ... transnational corporations, banking cartels and the like ... with the idea that "the people" will eventually revolt against the globalists.
Quote:But "the people" would have no hope of ever controlling, much less revolting against such a worldwide power. I decided several years ago that the best way to promote freedom was by DEcentralization .... breaking down the controlling entities from transnationals to nations, and from nations to regions. Devolving authority as low as it can go while still solving the problems that need to be solved. (For example, don't expect "the state" to tell people how to raise their children in every particular.)
Quote:3) The people who believe in infiltrating a political organization and slowly taking it over are called "Pabloites". It's a pretty well-known and often-discussed tactic in leftist circles. My leftist friends practically spit and rinse their mouths out after using the word; they think it's an underhanded tactic.
Quote:Only about 13 percent of registered Democrats turned out to vote in the 14th Congressional District that takes in parts of Queens and the Bronx, according to a preliminary city Board of Elections tally. There are 214,750 active registered Democratic voters in the district. Only 27,744 voted, and Ocasio-Cortez won by more than 4,000 votes.
Sunday, December 2, 2018 5:49 PM
THG
Sunday, December 2, 2018 11:41 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, December 3, 2018 12:27 AM
Monday, December 3, 2018 2:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: They proclaim that the U.S. Economic Policy is "NeoLiberal Capitalism" in their spew. Are they unique in this regard, or do others likewise define these terms?
Monday, December 3, 2018 2:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Wow you republicans sure are afraid of women. Oh my god, here comes one now, RUN!!!
Monday, December 3, 2018 3:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm not interested in what her page says.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Instead of looking at a dumb little wish list that Fox News puts out about her
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm well aware of what it said. I was part of the discussion that you linked, and I believe you knew that before you made this post, Kiki.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The point here is that the Democratic Socialists of America are much different than the Social Democrats. Any of the "Bernie Bros" who voted for her thinking that they were the same thing have an IQ in the single digits.
Monday, December 3, 2018 3:29 AM
Monday, December 3, 2018 4:35 AM
Monday, December 3, 2018 4:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SIX, I tried looking up whether Ocasio-Cortez is REALLY a member of DSAUSA. Except for the mention in Wikipedia, which goes back to an article in VOX, which flatly states that she is with no evidence at all ... there is no record of her being a member. the DSAUSA "supports" her, but she can't control who supports her. https://www.dsausa.org/weekly/op-ed-we-stand-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/ So .... ? ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
Quote:Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, whose résumé up to now included waitress, children’s-book publisher, community activist, member of the Democratic Socialists of America and former Bernie Sanders campaign organizer, was now something else: an instant political rock star. She stunned the Democratic establishment by beating one of the senior leaders in the House, Joseph Crowley, in a near-landslide in Tuesday’s primary.
Quote:Ocasio-Cortez explained her take on democratic socialism during an interview with Stephen Colbert on June 29. Ocasio-Cortez emphasized that, for her, democratic socialism means ensuring that everyone's fundamental rights and needs are met and respected. As the congressional candidate described: For me, democratic socialism is about ... I believe that in a modern, moral, and wealthy society, no person in America should be too poor to live ... Seems pretty simple. So what that means to me is health care as a human right. It means that every child no matter where you are born should have access to a college or trade school education if they so choose it. I think that no person should be homeless, if we can have public structures and public policies to allow for people to have homes and food and lead a dignified life in the United States.
Monday, December 3, 2018 12:11 PM
Monday, December 3, 2018 12:37 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It's the same claim as in Vox. There is no reference as to where that info came from. I did several searches which didn't turn up anything solid ... of course, since google is kinking it's search results for political purposes, THAT doesn't mean anything either. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Monday, December 3, 2018 12:56 PM
Monday, December 3, 2018 1:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: What's the difference between National Socialism and Socialist Nationalism? tic tac
Monday, December 3, 2018 1:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I dunno. Maybe it's all fake news. But since every single article I've ever seen written about her claims that she's a Democratic Socialist and/or a member of the DSA in particular, maybe she should find some time in between trying to scrounge up rent for her new D.C. apartment to set the record straight on that if she isn't.
Monday, December 3, 2018 1:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: What's the difference between National Socialism and Socialist Nationalism?
Quote:Originally posted by second: Same as the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Or Nationalsozialismus and Kommunizm.
Monday, December 3, 2018 2:27 PM
Monday, December 3, 2018 2:51 PM
Monday, December 3, 2018 3:08 PM
Quote: Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just made history. Against all odds, she soundly defeated a ten-term incumbent — the heir apparent to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi — to win the Democratic Party nomination in New York’s 14th congressional district primary. If elected to Congress this fall, she will become the first Latina to represent this working class, majority-minority district that spans parts of the Bronx and Queens. This isn’t just a victory for New Yorkers. It is a victory for basic principles of freedom and justice at a time when our political misleaders have given up on them. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will continue the political revolution by fighting every day for the many, not the few, in Congress.
Monday, December 3, 2018 3:38 PM
Monday, December 3, 2018 3:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Too threatening to the tax breaks? And remember, SECOND had a similar dislike of Bernie. Yup, SECOND was and is a Hillary fan all the way. After all, she's a safe, bought-and-paid-for status quo non-republican, who threads through that tortuous path of all the people SECOND hates.
Monday, December 3, 2018 6:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Okay, I found a "horse's mouth" statement from DSAUSA regarding Ocasio-Cortez' membership: Quote: Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just made history. Against all odds, she soundly defeated a ten-term incumbent — the heir apparent to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi — to win the Democratic Party nomination in New York’s 14th congressional district primary. If elected to Congress this fall, she will become the first Latina to represent this working class, majority-minority district that spans parts of the Bronx and Queens. This isn’t just a victory for New Yorkers. It is a victory for basic principles of freedom and justice at a time when our political misleaders have given up on them. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will continue the political revolution by fighting every day for the many, not the few, in Congress. https://www.dsausa.org/weekly/npc_statement_ocasio-cortez/ So apparently she IS a member. It was dogpile that found this. I'll be adding it to my list of useful search engines.
Tuesday, December 4, 2018 3:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Nice find.
Tuesday, December 4, 2018 3:40 AM
Quote:The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States. DSA’s members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly democratic socialist presence in American communities and politics.
Quote: At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people. For example, we support reforms that: decrease the influence of money in politics empower ordinary people in workplaces and the economy restructure gender and cultural relationships to be more equitable.
Quote: We are activists committed to democracy as not simply one of our political values but our means of restructuring society. Our vision is of a society in which people have a real voice in the choices and relationships that affect the entirety of our lives. We call this vision democratic socialism — a vision of a more free, democratic and humane society. We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo.
Quote: We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms
Quote: to achieve equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships. DSA has a youth section, Young Democratic Socialists of America (YDSA). Made up of students from colleges and high schools, the YDSA works on economic justice and democracy and prison justice projects. It is a member of the International Union of Socialist Youth, an affiliate of the Socialist International. YDSA meets several times during the year. Please join DSA as we work to help build a better and more just world for all.
Tuesday, December 4, 2018 12:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States. DSA’s members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly democratic socialist presence in American communities and politics. Democracy is a political system and socialism is an economic system. Since the two aren't in conflict, it's possible to have democratic socialism just as you can have tyrannical capitalism. Quote: At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people. For example, we support reforms that: decrease the influence of money in politics empower ordinary people in workplaces and the economy restructure gender and cultural relationships to be more equitable. blah blah blah ... Quote: We are activists committed to democracy as not simply one of our political values but our means of restructuring society. Our vision is of a society in which people have a real voice in the choices and relationships that affect the entirety of our lives. We call this vision democratic socialism — a vision of a more free, democratic and humane society. We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. OK ... Quote: We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms What does THIS mean? I've heard much, much better explanations from the LaRouche libertarian party. This is just a junior-high wishlist Quote: to achieve equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships. DSA has a youth section, Young Democratic Socialists of America (YDSA). Made up of students from colleges and high schools, the YDSA works on economic justice and democracy and prison justice projects. It is a member of the International Union of Socialist Youth, an affiliate of the Socialist International. YDSA meets several times during the year. Please join DSA as we work to help build a better and more just world for all. Nothing of real content there. Just a lot of blah-blah-blah.
Quote: We are activists committed to democracy as not simply one of our political values but our means of restructuring society. Our vision is of a society in which people have a real voice in the choices and relationships that affect the entirety of our lives. We call this vision democratic socialism — a vision of a more free, democratic and humane society. We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. OK ...
Tuesday, December 4, 2018 6:08 PM
Tuesday, December 4, 2018 8:15 PM
Tuesday, December 4, 2018 9:21 PM
Quote:]Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yeah. You don't want to be talking about Thetans and Xenu until you really got your hooks into somebody. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms
Wednesday, December 5, 2018 1:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I fixed the quote syntax. What I find about the DSAUSA statement is that it's crafted to be as inoffensive and not specific as possible. You're right in that it's meant to appeal to the weak-minded. I'm sure they save their real agenda for people who've already joined and been to some extent indoctrinated.
Wednesday, December 5, 2018 7:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:]Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yeah. You don't want to be talking about Thetans and Xenu until you really got your hooks into somebody. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I fixed the quote syntax. What I find about the DSAUSA statement is that it's crafted to be as inoffensive and not specific as possible. You're right in that it's meant to appeal to the weak-minded. I'm sure they save their real agenda for people who've already joined and been to some extent indoctrinated. It's not like they can post the real agenda online for just anybody to read. Fox might investigate and sear h for information like, yanno, journalists used to do that. Do you feel she is not precisely in alignment with DSA? Maybe she spun off script a bit? That's the impression I get.
Saturday, December 8, 2018 4:57 PM
Saturday, December 8, 2018 5:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Well ... I think the whole reason she got voted in was the exceptionally low turnout and basic lack of interest on the voters' part. Now that she's where she is, we'll get to see where she puts her energies. After all, words are just temporary vapors. It's what she does that counts.
Saturday, December 8, 2018 9:31 PM
Quote: http://www.gothamgazette.com/state/7774-a-closer-look-at-voter-turnout-in-2018-new-york-congressional-primaries Maps compiled by the CUNY Center for Urban Research show that support in the election that has the country buzzing did not break down neatly on racial lines; in fact, Ocasio-Cortez maintained strong support throughout the district, across areas of various demographic makeups. “This wasn’t a fluke,” said Steven Romalewski, of the Center for Urban Research. “She was able to get voters from almost every neighborhood to come out and support her.” Romalewski noted that, contrary to the conventional wisdom of voting on racial lines, the areas where Ocasio-Cortez’s showing was strongest were areas that weren’t predominantly Hispanic, signaling that her showing may not have been due to the district’s changing demographics (it has been steadily becoming less white for years), but due to desire for change from Crowley.
Quote:With 98 percent of precincts reporting as of Wednesday, the State Board of Elections shows 27,826 registered Democrats cast votes in Tuesday’s primary in New York’s 14th District. With 235,745 registered Democrats as of April, according to the BOE, this comes out to a turnout of around 11.8 percent.
Quote: https://nypost.com/2018/06/28/most-voters-stayed-home-for-stunning-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-win/ In the race that caused an earthquake in the Democratic Party, 28-year-old newcomer Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez upset longtime Rep. Joe Crowley, 57 percent to 42 percent. But only about 13 percent of registered Democrats turned out to vote in the 14th Congressional District that takes in parts of Queens and the Bronx, according to a preliminary city Board of Elections tally.
Saturday, December 8, 2018 11:00 PM
REAVERFAN
Sunday, December 9, 2018 8:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by REAVERFAN: The trolls leading the dumb. ^
Sunday, December 9, 2018 8:55 AM
Sunday, December 9, 2018 9:29 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Here you go comrade kiki. I ain't knocking it. It's just I try to deal in facts. Fact number one. All ethnicity's practice tribalism. Not just whites. As the ethnicity of the population changes so does the ethnicity of it's leaders. Again, I ain't knocking it, I just deal in facts.
Sunday, December 9, 2018 10:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by THG: Here you go comrade kiki. I ain't knocking it. It's just I try to deal in facts. Fact number one. All ethnicity's practice tribalism. Not just whites. As the ethnicity of the population changes so does the ethnicity of it's leaders. Again, I ain't knocking it, I just deal in facts. I call that Democratic Representation.
Sunday, December 9, 2018 12:39 PM
Sunday, December 9, 2018 1:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: New York's 14th congressional district U.S. Representative Joe Crowley (D–Queens) Population (2016 ACS est.) 691,715 Ethnicity 18.41% White 11.39% Black 16.24% Asian 49.80% Hispanic 0.45% Native American 3.71% other https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=SR4NXLjLCKy7ggfyrpXwBg&q=Racial+Make+Up+Of+New+Yorks+14th+District&btnK=Google+Search&oq=Racial+Make+Up+Of+New+Yorks+14th+District&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i10i299l3.4013.4013..5616...0.0..0.233.233.2-1......0....1j2..gws-wiz.....0.hXWkQ4H4fJs Here you go comrade kiki. I ain't knocking it. It's just I try to deal in facts. Fact number one. All ethnicity's practice tribalism. Not just whites. As the ethnicity of the population changes so does the ethnicity of it's leaders. Again, I ain't knocking it, I just deal in facts. tick tac asshole T
Sunday, December 9, 2018 1:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: New York's 14th congressional district U.S. Representative Joe Crowley (D–Queens) Population (2016 ACS est.) 691,715 Ethnicity 18.41% White 11.39% Black 16.24% Asian 49.80% Hispanic 0.45% Native American 3.71% other
Sunday, December 9, 2018 3:43 PM
Sunday, December 9, 2018 4:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Sorry comrade kiki but your post doesn't show what you say it does. My numbers back up my claim. Now, fuck you comrade kiki and fuck your lawyers as well. You've been promising to sue me and others here for a year now. Get it done dipshit. Ya know, put up or shut up. T
Sunday, December 9, 2018 4:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Sorry comrade kiki but your post doesn't show what you say it does. My numbers back up my claim.
Sunday, December 9, 2018 5:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted: Sorry comrade kiki but your post doesn't show what you say it does. My numbers back up my claim. You know, just because you can't understand maps doesn't mean other people can't. Just saying that doubling down on an idiocy that everyone else can see is an idiocy make you look like an idiot. BTW, you need a breath mint. tic tac
Quote:Originally posted: Sorry comrade kiki but your post doesn't show what you say it does. My numbers back up my claim.
Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:12 PM
Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Sorry, no. I did look for a better breakdown, but couldn't find one. Whoever dug up the info posted in the local NYC publication - kudos to them! I suspect they had to go to their local hard-copy records to find it.
YOUR OPTIONS
NEW POSTS TODAY
OTHER TOPICS
FFF.NET SOCIAL