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Birthright Citizenship and Amendment XIV
Friday, November 2, 2018 6:35 AM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:U.S. Constitution Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Friday, November 2, 2018 6:47 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: There has been some discussion lately of this subject, and the points and positions are a bit muddy. Largely it seems due to the confusion between Layman's terms, casual language, and Law terms or Legal Language. One part of the confusion is the phrase "citizen of the United States" or "Citizen of the United States" and the breakdown of apparently the 5 Classes or Subclasses of "citizens" or "Citizens" under Law. As used in Section 1. Another point of confusion is the meaning of "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in Section 1. One position is that this was intended by the Authors of the Amendment to mean what it said, that they did not have Allegiance to a different, foreign jurisdiction, they did not have Citizenship elsewhere (like ducking back out to their own Country following birthing). Another position is that this Amendment was created in a vacuum, even predating The Constitution, plus also not during the period of Emancipation and Ending Slavery.
Friday, November 2, 2018 7:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Largely it seems due to the confusion between . . . One part of the confusion is the phrase . . . Another point of confusion is the meaning of . . .
Friday, November 2, 2018 8:32 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Friday, November 2, 2018 9:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: According to some legal scholars, most notably the Dean of Chapman University's School of Law, John Eastman, it is entirely possible. Maybe Trump should get him to write the EO. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Friday, November 2, 2018 10:41 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by second: About your "legal scholar", Signym: Chapman is a private, Christian university located in Orange, California and is a branch of the Republican Party.
Friday, November 2, 2018 1:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The answer to this question (Can Trump write an EO changing the interpretation of the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof") will only come when a carefully-written EO goes to the Supreme Court for a decision. According to some legal scholars, most notably the Dean of Chapman University's School of Law, John Eastman, it is entirely possible. Maybe Trump should get him to write the EO.
Friday, November 2, 2018 2:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Why should Trump stoop to the Directives of second? When has Trump ever performed writing of his own, other than social media? Your proposal to have a scholar compose it makes vastly more sense, likely why it is over the heads of Trolls. Do you know which portion of the Amendment Eastman would pursue Legal Authority through, or both? It looks like you think Jurisdiction phrase.
Friday, November 2, 2018 2:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Why should Trump stoop to the Directives of second? When has Trump ever performed writing of his own, other than social media? Your proposal to have a scholar compose it makes vastly more sense, likely why it is over the heads of Trolls. Do you know which portion of the Amendment Eastman would pursue Legal Authority through, or both? It looks like you think Jurisdiction phrase.If Trump does not get the wording perfect on his first attempt, today, at writing an Executive Order to end Birthright Citizenship, he can write another tomorrow. Thousands of anchor babies are being born today, and Trump needs to act now, not wait until after the election. Can't you understand that this is a Crisis, JewelStaiteFan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_baby
Friday, November 2, 2018 3:22 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Why should Trump stoop to the Directives of second? When has Trump ever performed writing of his own, other than social media? Your proposal to have a scholar compose it makes vastly more sense, likely why it is over the heads of Trolls. Do you know which portion of the Amendment Eastman would pursue Legal Authority through, or both? It looks like you think Jurisdiction phrase.If Trump does not get the wording perfect on his first attempt, today, at writing an Executive Order to end Birthright Citizenship, he can write another tomorrow. Thousands of anchor babies are being born today, and Trump needs to act now, not wait until after the election. Can't you understand that this is a Crisis, JewelStaiteFan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_baby Anchor Babies were a crisis in the early 1980s.
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