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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I too have a minimal (for a US resident) carbon footprint, though it could always be lower. And I could always do more, in terms of eschewing plastic, walking instead of driving, and planting more trees (and also conserving water). Plus I could support the state of Calif in going further than its Renewables Portfolio Standard (RPS of 50 percent clean energy by 2030). Personal, local and state low carbon energies are where people have the most leverage.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm the second oldest person at work, and I have a lot of what I tell the youngsters are 'geezer stories'. And they're 'geezer stories' because they all start out '... when I was growing up ...'.

When I was growing up, all food was just ordinary food, grown on farms without pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, hormones, or cross-species genetic modifications. Now, that's what's called 'organic', and treated as if it's some new-wave high-tech invention. When I was growing up, plastic was a new-fangled invention that nobody used. Milk came in glass bottles that we took back to the dairy a few blocks away, meat was wrapped in butcher paper, bread came from the bakery in paper bags ... When I was growing up, there was only about a third of the people on the planet that there are today.

My childhood was expansive and full of possibility.

Who would have thought, that in my lifetime, we would have gone from possibilities to the end of the line.

It's not like people didn't see this coming. But, despite our self-proclaimed intelligence, we couldn't figure out how to stop. And we won't figure it out. But it's not because we can't develop the technology. It's because we're hostage to our own constructs of money, profit, and power. We'll go over the cliff en masse, rather than give those up.




tick tock

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
We have a white house and congress full of science deniers. All Republicans, BTW.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's the answer to climate change right there. If we were somehow able to cut the world's population in half by 2050 and keep it gradually decreasing until there are only about half a billion people left there would be plenty to go around for everybody and any real damage to the environment should be mostly mitigated at that point.


It might sound cruel or depressing to some people, but I think it's the smart thing to do. It's a lot less depressing than finding out that there was a planned outbreak, or we just keep procreating unchecked until human life is completely unsustainable.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's the answer to climate change right there. If we were somehow able to cut the world's population in half by 2050 and keep it gradually decreasing until there are only about half a billion people left there would be plenty to go around for everybody and any real damage to the environment should be mostly mitigated at that point.


It might sound cruel or depressing to some people, but I think it's the smart thing to do. It's a lot less depressing than finding out that there was a planned outbreak, or we just keep procreating unchecked until human life is completely unsustainable.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Alternatively, there is the Net Zero House. It cuts back on carbon emissions without cutting back on people. I saw it on TV. It would be a great way to create good jobs for people, too, as old houses are rebuilt to be net zero houses.

www.pbs.org/video/the-net-zero-bungalow-the-jamestown-net-zero-house-j
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day.

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Last year, all the world's nations combined pumped nearly 38.2 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the air from the burning of fossil fuels such as coal and oil, according to new international calculations on global emissions published Sunday in the journal Nature Climate Change.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's just a band-aid.

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The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day.

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That's 17,116,600,000 pounds (17.1 Billion lbs.) of CO2 produced by human beings every single day.

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Last year, all the world's nations combined pumped nearly 38.2 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the air from the burning of fossil fuels such as coal and oil, according to new international calculations on global emissions published Sunday in the journal Nature Climate Change.

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If we take the daily human average and multiply it by 365 days, human beings exhale 6,247,559,000,000 pounds (6.3 Trillion pounds) of CO2 in a year.

Divide that by 2,000 (1 ton) and that comes out to 3,123,779,500 tons (3.12 Billion tons) of CO2 produced by human beings simply exhaling in a single year, or 8.2% of what we create with all of our industrial activities. That's what we'd put out per year if we suddenly all reverted to caveman lifestyles with no tech or industry.

That's a lot.

And carbon emissions is hardly our largest problem anyhow, or at the very least it's not the only thing one should be concerned about when the world population continues to grow to unsustainable levels.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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That's just a band-aid.

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The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day.

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That's 17,116,600,000 pounds (17.1 Billion lbs.) of CO2 produced by human beings every single day.

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Last year, all the world's nations combined pumped nearly 38.2 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the air from the burning of fossil fuels such as coal and oil, according to new international calculations on global emissions published Sunday in the journal Nature Climate Change.

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If we take the daily human average and multiply it by 365 days, human beings exhale 6,247,559,000,000 pounds (6.3 Trillion pounds) of CO2 in a year.

Divide that by 2,000 (1 ton) and that comes out to 3,123,779,500 tons (3.12 Billion tons) of CO2 produced by human beings simply exhaling in a single year, or 8.2% of what we create with all of our industrial activities. That's what we'd put out per year if we suddenly all reverted to caveman lifestyles with no tech or industry.

That's a lot.

And carbon emissions is hardly our largest problem anyhow, or at the very least it's not the only thing one should be concerned about when the world population continues to grow to unsustainable levels.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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The Club of Rome sent a representative to the University of Texas at Austin about 45 years ago to speak to mechanical engineering students. I was there. The future did not look good way back then. It still does not. Pessimistically, that 19 out of every 20 people who have ever lived are now dead seems pretty bad for the twentieth person, but as I would have River say, paraphrasing what Wash once said to her about flying, "So long as we have not run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas, all at the same time, we are not dead." If he were alive, he would slap band-aids on the problems and keep flying. River will follow his example, until she has a complete and comprehensive solution to the problem of evil.

www.clubofrome.org

The "problem of evil" acutely applies to monotheistic religions such as Christianity, Islam, and Judaism that believe in a monotheistic God who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent; but the question of "why does evil exist?" has also been studied in religions that are non-theistic or polytheistic, such as Buddhism, Hinduism, and Jainism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So anyway, while people have been whinging about Kavanaugh, this has been in the news lately:

Planet has only until 2030 to stem catastrophic climate change, experts warn

PHEW !!! At least we have some time! It's not like it's tomorrow, or anything.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

In any event, I believe that there is careful consideration about the population problem by the powers that be.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by second:

After entire countries start to disappear into the ocean, and famine spreads as quickly as the refugees, the only question might be: What took so long to go from idea to reality?

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