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Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The Adults in the White House Trying to Save the US From Trump Are Just as Dangerous as He Is

Before his election as president it was understandable that Donald Trump’s critics should have vastly underestimated his ability as a politician. It is much less excusable – and self-destructive to effective opposition to Trump – that they should go on underestimating him almost two years after his victory.

Every week there are more revelations showing the Trump administration to be chaotic, incompetent and corrupt. The latest are the anonymous op-ed in The New York Times in which one of his own senior officials’ claims to be working against him and Bob Woodward’s book portraying the White House as a sort of human zoo.

The media gleefully reports these bombshells in the hope that they will finally sink, or at least inflict serious damage, on the Good Ship Trump. This has been the pattern since he announced his presidential candidacy, but it never happens. Political commentators, overwhelmingly anti-Trump, express bafflement at his survival but, such is their loathing and contempt for him that they do not see that they are dealing with an exceptionally skilled politician.

His abilities may be instinctive or drawn from his vast experience as a showman on television. Priority goes to dominating the news agenda regardless of whether the publicity is good or bad. Day after day, hostile news outlets like The New York Times and CNN lead on stories about Trump to the exclusion of all else.

The media does not do this unless they know their customers want it: Trump is an American obsession, even greater than Brexit in Britain. A friend of mine recently met a group of American folk singers touring the south coast of Ireland who told him that they had often pledged to each other that they would get through the day without mentioning Trump, but so far they had failed to do so.

This tactic of dominating the news by deliberately headline-grabbing behaviour, regardless of the criticism it provokes, is not new but is much more difficult to carry out than it looks. Boris Johnson is currently trying to pull the same trick with outrageous references to “suicide vests” but his over-heated rhetoric feels contrived. MP David Lammy’s jibe about Johnson as “a pound-shop Donald Trump” is apt.

Trump is never boring: it is a simple point and central to his success but is seldom given sufficient weight. During the presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton’s supporters complained that Trump got excessive amounts of free television time, while her speeches were ignored or were given inadequate attention.

The reason was not any pro-Trump bias – quite the contrary given the political sympathies of most people in the media – but because her speeches were boring and his were not. He has the well-developed knack of always saying something the media cannot leave alone.

An example of this is his tweeted retort this week to a claim by JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon that he could “beat” Trump in a presidential election and is tough and smarter than him. This silly boast was not much of a news story, until Trump’s tweeted: “The problem with banker Jamie Dimon running for president is that he doesn’t have the aptitude or ‘smarts’ and is a poor public speaker and nervous mess – otherwise he is wonderful.” Not many politicians or journalists could put so much punching power into a single sentence.

Trump is regarded with a peculiar mixture of fear and underestimation by opponents across the board from the Democratic Party leaders to the EU heads of state. They believe – rightly – that Trump is a monster and hope – wrongly – that this means he will one day implode. This would be deeply convenient for them all because, until this happens, they do not have to act themselves. Trump will hopefully pass away like a bad dream. There is no need for the EU leaders or prominent Democrats to devise and explain policies that would divide them.

Sometimes this policy of sitting on your hands and doing nothing until your opponents make a mistake is the correct one. But it carries the grave risk of creating a vacuum of information that will be filled by your enemies. During the presidential election it was easy to deride Trump’s vague promises to bring factory jobs back to the US, but he did not have to say much about this because Hillary usually said nothing at all.

Trump is at war with the institutions of the US government. This is unsurprising: US presidents have invariably been frustrated by the sense that they reign but do not rule. A convincing explanation for the fall of Richard Nixon is that different branches of the bureaucracy used Watergate to frustrate his grab for power and get rid of him.

They may yet succeed in Trump’s case. Many Americans want to witness a sequel to Watergate with Trump in the starring role. But this is almost impossible to do without control of Congress and the ganging-up of bureaucrats against an elected president will not be palatable to a lot of voters.

The anonymous senior White House official of the New York Times op-ed says that he is part of a group within the administration pledged to thwart “Mr Trump’s more misguided impulses”. This is the latest emergence of “adults in the room” who are going to prevent the US government abandoning policies essential to its existence.

The problem is that these “adults” are promoting policies that are often just as dangerous as anything Trump has in mind, if not more so. For instance, Trump has periodically said that the US ought to pull its 2,000 troops, which are backed by the US Air Force, out of northeast Syria. This would be a sensible move to negotiate because the US has a weak hand in Syria and could not determine the course of events without a full scale war.

Trump is not “an isolationist” in the classic sense, but his instinct is to avoid wars or situations that might lead to one. Talking to Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putin may not produce anything very substantial, but it does make war less, rather than more, likely. Yet, such is the bitterness of divisions in the US, that liberal commentators were furiously denouncing Trump as a traitor for meeting either man in terms that Senator McCarthy would have recognised 70 years ago.

It is easy to sympathise with their rage. Trump is the worst thing to happen to the US since the Civil War, but miscalculating his strengths and weaknesses is not the way to deal with him. His near miraculous ability to survive repeated scandals reminds me of what the diplomat, politician and writer Conor Cruise O’Brien wrote about Charlie Haughey, the Irish political leader, who was notorious for surviving against the odds in similar challenging circumstances. “If I saw Mr Haughey buried at midnight at a crossroads with a stake driven through his heart,” wrote O’Brien, “I should continue to wear a clove of garlic around my neck, just in case.”


https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/09/17/the-adults-in-the-white-house-
trying-to-save-the-us-from-trump-are-just-as-dangerous-as-he-is
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Thursday, September 20, 2018 6:43 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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The Adults in the White House Trying to Save the US From Trump Are Just as Dangerous as He Is

The problem is that these “adults” are promoting policies that are often just as dangerous as anything Trump has in mind, if not more so. For instance, Trump has periodically said that the US ought to pull its 2,000 troops, which are backed by the US Air Force, out of northeast Syria. This would be a sensible move to negotiate because the US has a weak hand in Syria and could not determine the course of events without a full scale war.

Trump is not “an isolationist” in the classic sense, but his instinct is to avoid wars or situations that might lead to one. Talking to Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putin may not produce anything very substantial, but it does make war less, rather than more, likely. Yet, such is the bitterness of divisions in the US, that liberal commentators were furiously denouncing Trump as a traitor for meeting either man in terms that Senator McCarthy would have recognised 70 years ago.


https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/09/17/the-adults-in-the-white-house-
trying-to-save-the-us-from-trump-are-just-as-dangerous-as-he-is
/

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Nice summary, Signym, but it is also not true. No matter how many times his staff tries to get him to stop thinking in terms of profit and his personal glory, Trump still understands that American foreign policy is all about Trump personally negotiating with enemies Kim and Putin then receiving a Nobel Peace Prize and it is all about allies paying in either cash or trade for US military protection.

From Chapter 27 of “Fear”

Trump got up and walked out.

All the air seemed to have come out of Tillerson. The president was speaking as if the U.S. military was a mercenary force for hire. If a country wouldn’t pay us to be there, then we didn’t want to be there. As if there were no American interests in forging and keeping a peaceful world order, as if the American organizing principle was money.

For Priebus, it was the worst meeting among many terrible ones. Six months into the administration, he could see vividly that they had a fundamental problem of goal setting. Where were they going? This was what craziness was like, Priebus concluded.

A senior White House official who spoke contemporaneously with participants in the meeting recorded this summary: “The president proceeded to lecture and insult the entire group about how they didn’t know anything when it came to defense or national security. It seems clear that many of the president’s senior advisers, especially those in the national security realm, are extremely concerned with his erratic nature, his relative ignorance, his inability to learn, as well as what they consider his dangerous views.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, September 20, 2018 9:55 AM

REAVERFAN


The Plot to Subvert an Election
Unraveling the Russia Story So Far
For two years, Americans have tried to absorb the details of the 2016 attack: hacked emails, social media fraud, suspected spies — and President Trump’s claims that it’s all a hoax. The Times explores what we know and what it means.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/20/us/politics/russia-inte
rference-election-trump-clinton.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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Thursday, September 20, 2018 10:18 AM

REAVERFAN


How Putin's Oligarchs Got Inside the Trump Team
http://time.com/5401645/putins-oligarchs/?utm_source=reddit.com

Already Mueller’s probe has shown the range of assets Putin brought to bear on the 2016 campaign. Russian hackers stole and leaked the private emails of Trump’s opponents and worked to polarize and enrage voters by manipulating social media, according to evidence made public by Mueller. Russian diplomats wooed Trump’s advisers, who were eager for information that could hurt Hillary Clinton’s chances.

But it is oligarchs like Deripaska, wielding extraordinary wealth and global connections, who may have played the most important role in the Russian influence campaign. Putin himself has suggested as much. Onstage with Trump at a press conference in Helsinki on July 16, the Russian leader said he “can imagine” private Russian businessmen supported Trump’s bid for the presidency. “And so what?” Putin demanded. “They don’t represent the Russian state.”

In fact, their ties to the state are a lot closer than Putin let on. From the very beginning of his 19 years in power, the Russian President has turned his country’s wealthiest men into a loose but loyal band of operatives. In exchange for lucrative deals with the government, or simply protection from the authorities, these billionaires have gathered contacts at the highest levels of U.S. politics, high enough to influence policy in the service of the Russian state. “These are cats that like to bring dead mice to the Kremlin,” says Mark Galeotti, a leading expert in Putin’s influence operations at the Prague-based Institute of International Relations.

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Thursday, September 20, 2018 10:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Nice summary, Signym, but it is also not true. No matter how many times his staff tries to get him to stop thinking in terms of profit and his personal glory, Trump still understands that American foreign policy is all about Trump personally negotiating with enemies Kim and Putin then receiving a Nobel Peace Prize and it is all about allies paying in either cash or trade for US military protection. SECOND
Those references to Trump's ego and the Noble Peace Prize? They are ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED BY THE EXCERPT THAT YOU POSTED. everything that "they're" complaining about (at least, as posted so far) has to do with GOALS that are almost mutually exclusive.

And while I'm sure Trump understands that he and "they" have different goals, "the establishment" seems incapable of comprehending that there could even be any other goals besides theirs. It seems quite a blind spot.

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Trump got up and walked out.-

All the air seemed to have come out of Tillerson. The president was speaking as if the U.S. military was a mercenary force for hire. If a country wouldn’t pay us to be there, then we didn’t want to be there. As if there were no American interests in forging and keeping a peaceful world order, as if the American organizing principle was money.

Again, the "adults in the room" keep talking about "peace" as if that's what the USA has brought to the world. These people are talking about things that aren't real, they may as well be talking about the lizard people or the coming ice age.

Their problem is that they're so deeply buried in their own bullshit they can't seem to climb out and see any other POV. And they're not going to convince Trump of the correctness of their goals by spewing bullshit at him.

And, for good measure, the organizing principle of the American military is money: The petrodollar, to be exact. Most of the recently-destroyed nations had one thing in common: They were going to off the petrodollar. I'm sure it's of great concern to international banks and transnational corporations, which hold trillions of dollars of Treasuries and USD, that the value of their reserves don't fall. But we should be careful not to conflate THEIR interests with ours; the two are not the same. Maybe if they had explained THAT to Trump, they would have sounded a bit less nonsensical.

And finally: If wealthy first-world nations aren't willing to pony up the money to support our presence, then our presence must not be much of a vital concern to them. So why are we there? It's not in our interests, and apparently not in theirs.

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For Priebus, it was the worst meeting among many terrible ones. Six months into the administration, he could see vividly that they had a fundamental problem of goal setting. Where were they going? This was what craziness was like, Priebus concluded.

A senior White House official who spoke contemporaneously with participants in the meeting recorded this summary: “The president proceeded to lecture and insult the entire group about how they didn’t know anything when it came to defense or national security. It seems clear that many of the president’s senior advisers, especially those in the national security realm, are extremely concerned with his erratic nature, his relative ignorance, his inability to learn, as well as what they consider his dangerous views.”

All of the excerpts posted so far seem to have to do with his "dangerous views" on re-industrializing our economy (v "free trade") and on reducing our military/CIA footprint in the world, both of which I think are EXCELLENT ideas.

Talking with Putin and Kim and getting our troops out of the Mideast? I think those are great goals! What is so dangerous about them? WHO are they a danger to?

Their heartburn ... the heartburn of the "establishment" ... is not that Trump is crazy or stupid but that he doesn't share their goals.

The more you post, SECOND, the better Trump sounds.

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Thursday, September 20, 2018 10:29 AM

REAVERFAN


Donald Trump’s Old Tweets About The ‘Deep State’ Are Coming Back To Haunt Him
The president said he didn’t like to use the term “deep state.” These old tweets prove otherwise.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-deep-state-lie_us_5b
a35119e4b069d5f9cff523?utm_source=reddit.com


Hey, troll! Looks like you and Blumpy have a lot in common! Constantly lying, talking about conspiracy theories, and just generally looking like the idiots you truly are.

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Thursday, September 20, 2018 10:39 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


REAVER, let's move the conversation away from name-calling, which is where you seem to reside most of the time, and back to the issues that YOU brought up:

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Oh goody, more bullshit from the Deep State, brought to us by neocon (emphasis on "con") REAVER- SIGNY

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In Secret Calls, Putin Cultivated Trump’s Anger at the “Deep State”
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/in-secret-calls-putin-cultivated-
trumps-anger-at-the-deep-state


Yet more evidence that Vladimir Putin has continued to ply President Trump with opposition to US intelligence and the so-called “deep state” during their conversations since President Trump entered the White House. Not surprising and yet stunning passage in this excerpt from Greg Miller’s new Trump book …

Trump’s admiration for the leader of Russia was inexplicable and never wavered after taking office. He praised the Russian leader, congratulated him, defended him, pursued meetings with him, and fought virtually any policy or punitive measure that might displease him.

A trained intelligence operative, Putin understood the power of playing to someone’s insecurities and ego. On cue, he reciprocated with frequent praise for the president he had sought to install in the White House.

The biggest effects on the election were James Comey (who revived the Hillary "private server" investigation right b4 the election) and the DNC/ Podesta emails, brought to us by NOT RUSSIA. These people are confabulating, and you're confabulating along with them.

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In phone conversations with Trump, Putin would whisper conspiratorially, telling the U.S. president that it wasn’t their fault that they could not consummate the relationship that each had sought. Instead, Putin sought to reinforce Trump’s belief that he was being undermined by a secret government cabal, a bureaucratic “deep state.”
Awww, c'mon! It's not like the FBI, DNC, State Department, and DOJ weren't gunning for Trump from the very beginning!

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In phone conversations with Trump, Putin would whisper conspiratorially ...
HOW WOULD THE AUTHOR KNOW? Weren't these calls secret? And if they weren't secret, do you think Putin would say such things?

Good grief, you'll believe any hype and bullshit that the neocon-globalists splatter, even if it makes no sense at all.

But if you believe this, I have some Iraqi WMD to sell you ...



Are you going to stand behind this excerpt ... which BTW sounds like one giant CONSPIRACY THEORY? Or are you going to slink away from your own post?

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Thursday, September 20, 2018 11:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I want to reiterate, so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle ... the more that SECOND and REAVER post excerpts from various books and opinion-pieces, the worse "the establishment" sounds. So far, they're been bloviating about things that don't exist, like America bringing "peace" and "prosperity" to the world, and spewing endless conspiracy speculations and fantasies about conversations that they couldn't possibly have heard.


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Monday, June 22, 2020 10:38 AM

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The Wildest Things About Trump From Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’

The veteran journalist’s new book says Trump’s behavior is similar to former President Richard Nixon’s during his final days in office.


John Dowd, Trump’s lead attorney with the Russia probe, led a practice session for Trump’s potential testimony with special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating possible Russian interference in the 2016 election. According to the book, the president stumbled, contradicted himself and lied so much during the practice session that he eventually lost his cool, ranting, “This thing’s a goddamn hoax,” before deciding, “I don’t really want to testify.”

After Trump said “both sides” at the Charlottesville white supremacist rally were to blame for the violence that occurred in August 2017, advisers urged him to make another speech condemning white supremacists and neo-Nazis. According to Woodward, he almost immediately told aides, “That was the biggest fucking mistake I’ve made” and the “worst speech I’ve ever given.”

Woodward also compared Trump’s paranoia about the Russia investigation as very similar to former President Richard Nixon’s final days as president. According to sources, the president was angered by Mueller’s appointment, saying “Everybody’s trying to get me.”

During a dinner with various military leaders including Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Trump falsely suggested Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) cowardly took advantage of his father’s military rank to get early release from a prisoner-of-war camp in Vietnam. When Mattis corrected his boss, Trump just replied, “Oh, okay.”

Trump reportedly mocked Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ accent, saying, “This guy is mentally retarded. He’s this dumb Southerner. … He couldn’t even be a one-person country lawyer down in Alabama.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-bob-woodward-fear_us
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Tuesday, July 30, 2024 5:33 PM

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Let's hope America has learned just how dangerous Trump is.

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