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I can't say that I'm used to an insurance company being the entity that conducts surveys either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Signym, there is no reason to wonder, but you do because you're deaf and blind to what is plainly obvious. For example, an average German is neither a Democrat nor a Republican nor an Independent. Yet they can see and hear what is wrong with Trump. That doesn't make them scientific instruments flawlessly detecting "wrongness", but they can smell the rotten stink coming off of Trump. (I could smell it years ago from his "management" books, then the way he ran his casinos, and then his TV show. What a rotten businessman Trump was and is) ...- SECOND

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I can't say that I'm used to an insurance company being the entity that conducts surveys either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Insurance company doing an opinion poll makes more sense than a university run poll. The Insurance company could add Trump insurance, along with Fire and Flood and Termite insurance, to its business. The question would be: Which are you more afraid of? Termites or Trump? Then buy insurance to protect you from your greatest fears.

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The Electoral College only exists so that the College can evaluate each candidate and its votes are to be split among the candidates

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Not true. Originally, it was the State Senate of each state that was supposed to choose their representatives to the Electoral College; no direct popular vote for President was involved. The idea was that the USA is a Republic ... a group of affiliated states which collectively negotiate the direction of the Federal government. That was the only way that the Founding Fathers could get such a diverse group of colonies... everything from slave/plantation states to small-farmer states to merchant states ... to throw their lot in together: By assuring them they would have independence in how they ran their affairs.

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SECOND, put your thinking cap on.

Assume that everything the opiner (yes, it is a real word, look it up) says is absolutely true: That Trump is a thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person whose only skill is manipulating public opinion.

SO WHY NOT INVOKE ARTICLE 25?

Think about that for a bit before highlighting the point below. If Trump is such a dangerous person in the Presidency, why not summarily boot him out of office and replace him with Pence, who is a reliable conservative Republican much more in line with their agenda??

Because Trump is a USEFUL thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person ... one who allows them to forward their globalist/neocon agenda of impoverishing the USA by shutting off government assistance while fostering the wealth of the transnationals ... serving as a "cover" and a distraction while they do their work in the background.

So, if Trump is useful, why torpedo him NOW, and especially with this opinion piece?

And if Trump has truly outlived his usefulness -to them - why derail him with this opinion piece? Why not invoke Article 25?

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You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in.

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You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in. - SECOND

LOL.
Pot, meet kettle.- SIX

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You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in. - SECOND

LOL.
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I wrote both the LOL and the "Pot, meet Kettle".

So much for your reading comprehension skills, Second.

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I wrote both the LOL and the "Pot, meet Kettle".

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In Bob Woodward’s first TV interview to promote the much-hyped Fear, his book on Donald Trump’s presidency, the veteran journalist warned that “people better wake up to what’s going on.”

“You look at the operation of this White House and you have to say, ‘Let’s hope to God we don’t have a crisis’,” he added in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS Sunday Morning.

Did you comprehend, 6ix?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/bob-woodward-warns-of-whit
e-house-dysfunction-lets-hope-to-god-we-dont-have-a-crisis.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Why should I believe this any more than the "Iraq WMD" or the "RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!RUSSIA" narrative?

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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I have read ... and of course I have no way of proving or disproving either way ... that OUTSIDE of the USA, USA foreign policy as seen as There is Trump ... and then there is the 'deep state'. I have heard that Trump and Kim Jong Un, for example communicate by sealed letter, couriered by a person known to Trump, and that the tweets are often disinformation, designed to confuse Trump's "resistors".

What I have OBSERVED is that the rhetoric really flies, right before a behind-the-scenes settlement. The other thing I have observed is that Trump - unlike previous Presidents - really is attempting to make good on his campaign promises.

As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty.

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And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

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OMG! *gasp* *sputter* I forgot that one!
Because Mattis is going to say, "Yep, I said he had the understanding of a 6th grader."
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SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty. SIGNY

You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.

For instance:

"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."

Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!

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but just to keep the fun going:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_
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"Many political appointees of Donald Trump, the 45th and current President of the United States, have resigned or been dismissed. The record-setting turnover rate in the Trump Administration has been noted in various publications.

Several Trump appointees, including National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci, and Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price have the shortest-service tenures in the history of their respective offices."

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How has the Russia narrative failed exactly? No proof just your saying so?

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"Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M." What exactly do you mean by that? Coverage? He's been getting more coverage than any other candidate since he began to run for the office. He craves it, he was probably elected in part because of it. Or do you mean something else by BS?

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SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this is obviously just a different tack timed to drive Trump from office. If this had TRULY been a problem, you'd think that it would have been "reported" first, BEFORE the pointless exercise in Russophobia was attempted.

When I see so many DIFFERENT approaches all aimed at the same goal (9-11, yellowcake! mushroom could! biological weapons! tyranny!) and I see these attempts accelerating on a schedule I know I'm looking at propaganda; and you should too.

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, there's a lot to criticize about the M$M, mostly their dishonesty.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Because Mattis is going to say, "Yep, I said he had the understanding of a 6th grader."
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Then why be sourced at all? Or why have your name attached? And if the author knew that his sources would disavow anything that they said, why include it in a book? All that does is discredit the author, the statements, and/or the sources.

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SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty. SIGNY

You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.

For instance:

"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."

Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!

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At the same time, a record number of FBI and DOJ officials have been fired, demoted, or resigned. That's not an accident.

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A wide swath of recent polls indicate that most people don't give a crap about so-called "Russian collusion".

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"And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms." You just said it was non-stop BS, so it's always been this way according to you. So according to you, you're full of it.

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Bob Woodward Stands By Reporting In Trump Book, Saying 'These Things Happened':

"You crank out the great Washington denial machine," he says. "I've seen this over the years, going back to the Nixon case."

"Time and time again people will deny things," Woodward says. "I understand people have to protect their positions. But I've done hundreds of hours of interviews with people. ... These things happened."

Woodward's book is based on "deep background" interviews, which he defines in his book as interviews where "all the information could be used but I would not say who provided it."

"The people are not anonymous to me," he says of his sources.

Once one person had described an episode to him, Woodward says, "I would go to other people and say, 'Did this happen? Who else was there?' "

"You can, in an almost microscopic way, establish what occurred — and that's what I've done in this book."

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"You crank out the great Washington denial machine," he says. "I've seen this over the years, going back to the Nixon case."

"Time and time again people will deny things," Woodward says. "I understand people have to protect their positions. But I've done hundreds of hours of interviews with people. ... These things happened." -SECOND

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Shortly thereafter, Paronto took offense to Obama referring to Benghazi as a conspiracy theory when he said: "over the past few decades, the politics of division and resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the Republican party," Obama said, before attacking Republicans in Congress for peddling "wild conspiracy theories like those surrounding Benghazi."

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Benghazi is a conspiracy @BarackObama ?! How bout we do this, let’s put your cowardly ass on the top of a roof with 6 of your buddies&shoot rpg’s&Ak47’s at you while terrorists lob 81mm mortars killing 2 of your buddies all while waiting for US support that you never sent????#scum

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Shortly thereafter, Paronto took offense to Obama referring to Benghazi as a conspiracy theory when he said: "over the past few decades, the politics of division and resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the Republican party," Obama said, before attacking Republicans in Congress for peddling "wild conspiracy theories like those surrounding Benghazi."

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"Kris Paronto is credited with saving 20 lives at Benghazi."

Now, you have to realize that Hillary, the then-CIA director Morell, AND Obama undertook to cover up exactly what happened there, first attempting to "explain" the attack as an unpredicted reaction to an anti-Muslim movie (not true) and THEN as a spontaneous riot (also not true). Paronto is very definite that the contractor were told to STAND DOWN while the consulate was under attack, and that they defied orders and went to rescue personnel anyway, and were left hung out to dry by the military.

So the fact that Obama would continue to push the facts of the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" means that Obama is just a lying weasel, eager to deny facts that make him (and his party and his backers) look bad.

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Paronto, for his efforts to set the record straight, was SUSPENDED FROM TWITTER. Clearly, Twitter isn't deciding on who get banned based on the truth of what they tweet, or even on the hostility of tone (Twitter had let open death threats stand) but on some some opaque and nonsensical "algorithm" that just happens to let liberal "fake news" thru but not conservative real news.

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First: way to misdirect with Obama, Clinton and Benghazi - Yahtzee!
Plus: Great mischaracterization of what Obama was talking about specifically. Obama was talking about the 7 attempts to hang Benghazi on Hillary Clinton. That was the conspiracy - which it clearly was.

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First: way to misdirect with Obama, Clinton and Benghazi - Yahtzee!
Plus: Great mischaracterization of what Obama was talking about specifically. Obama was talking about the 7 attempts to hang Benghazi on Hillary Clinton. That was the conspiracy - which it clearly was.

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Saddam has WMD!!! Be afraid!! Be very afraid!!!

Or, employ a little bit of skepticism. A book filled with gossip, released two months before the elections? Gee, whooda thunk?

Personally, I'd ignore everything that was anonymously sourced, and only pay attention to statements with names attached. At least you can follow up with that.



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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Gossip: Somebody (Woodward) said that somebody (anonymous) said.


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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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ANOTHER Trump trashing book, they should have a section at book stores just for them.

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SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty. SIGNY

You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.

For instance:

"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."

Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!

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WHICH IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM.

Your extreme anti-GOP bias prevents you from seeing the obvious, SECOND ... the middle class has been sucked dry for decades and people are ANGRY. They don't want "more of the same", they've HAD "more of the same" and yanno what? It's just not working for them. They want results, not a flim-flam man (or woman) tossing out empty promises.

NPR had an interesting interview with a bookwriter who went on a Greyhound bus trip from NYC to LA, in order to get a sense of what his main character would find when he took his fictional trip across the country. (A review of the book is here https://www.npr.org/2018/09/04/644546989/lake-success-offers-a-roadsid
e-view-of-america-on-the-verge-of-trump). What the AUTHOR found, in his trip across the country was this ...

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https://www.npr.org/2018/09/08/645818891/leaving-billions-behind-in-la
ke-success Now, I know that you'll point to "racism" as the cause, but really ... "racism" was not as much of an issue until people got badly hurt, financially, and STAYED financially vulnerable. They were willing to overlook "race" (or even hail it as a positive indicator) when they voted for Obama. The slowly declining middle class went off a cliff in 2008. But then DEMS - including Obama - failed to heed the warnings, and instead of FIXING THE PROBLEM went off in a fugue of divisive identity politics. You followed them, and you're still stuck in it.


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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Pick a problem, say, raising the minimum wage to $20 per hour. The majority of American voters, D or R or I, would be opposed. It is a minority of voters, the poorly paid, who will get any benefit from raising the minimum. That is why neither party is for raising it high and immediately. - SECOND

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Minimum wage bumps tend to be popular with the general public, with support often crossing partisan lines. A HuffPost YouGov poll last year found that more than half of all Americans thought a minimum wage raise would be good for workers, while only a third thought it would be a bad idea. The backing was greatest -- and most bipartisan -- for a modest hike to $10.10, as opposed to a bolder raise to $15.

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Take another example: Spending too much money on the military. The majority of American voters are fearful that their lives will be put into jeopardy if spending is lowered. (I’m not afraid, but that is me) The majority of voters have never traveled to any place the U.S. military or the CIA have destabilized. (I have.) The majority will never touch the blood of those who the military or CIA hurt or kill. (I have seen them hurt and kill.) The result is that both parties keep voting for increasing military spending because the majority of voters don’t care about any harm the military does. We’ve got to Support the Troops, you know! The Troops Keep Us Free! You've all have heard the bullshit.

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Take health care as another problem. The majority of voters are getting to the doctor. The majority does not care what happens to those who can’t afford to go. That’s why Obamacare is in trouble. The majority don’t give a damn about people without health care.

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