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This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
Thursday, August 2, 2018 6:07 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, I thought we were all talking in a vacuum, so maybe bringing "real life" to our eyeballs might clarify things. Perhaps we will see things to be outraged about. Or maybe we'll see things as a tough situation that's being handled as best as possible on an emergency basis.
Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:20 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:27 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Well, I thought we were all talking in a vacuum, so maybe bringing "real life" to our eyeballs might clarify things. Perhaps we will see things to be outraged about. Or maybe we'll see things as a tough situation that's being handled as best as possible on an emergency basis. - SIGNY "Zero Tolerance" was the opposite of "best as possible." - CC
Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Well, I thought we were all talking in a vacuum, so maybe bringing "real life" to our eyeballs might clarify things. Perhaps we will see things to be outraged about. Or maybe we'll see things as a tough situation that's being handled as best as possible on an emergency basis. - SIGNY "Zero Tolerance" was the opposite of "best as possible." - CC BTW .... those pictures were taken in 2014. Who was President then?
Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:37 AM
Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:38 AM
Quote:I'll come to the Big Question in a little while. Right now, I need to run some errands.- SHINY Me too. Looking forward to your response. -SIGNY
Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:08 PM
REAVERFAN
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:I'll come to the Big Question in a little while. Right now, I need to run some errands.- SHINY Me too. Looking forward to your response. -SIGNY Will you get to this Big Question any time soon?
Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:54 PM
Quote:Seriously Siggy, what was the Big Question again? I looked back in the thread, but couldn't find the Question.Thanks. SGG
Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:55 PM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:I'll come to the Big Question in a little while. Right now, I need to run some errands.- SHINY Me too. Looking forward to your response. -SIGNY Will you get to this Big Question any time soon? You've had it explained to you countless times, comrade.
Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:11 PM
Quote:Seriously Siggy, what was the Big Question again? I looked back in the thread, but couldn't find the Question.Thanks. SGG Sorry SHINY, your post got buried.- SIGNY
Quote:I personally think that's one of the critical questions: What is the role of centralization in the coming storm? When people face a Big Problem, they tend to look for a Big Fix. In this case, a "world-government" to solve world-straddling issues. But what happens if the Big Fix is part of the Big Problem? There is a kind of One Ring quality to looking for ever-more-centralized solutions to ever-more-centralized causes. Everyone wants to grab it. Are we sure that Sauron has not already grasped the Ring of Power?
Thursday, August 2, 2018 8:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Is "the fix" a government-mandated wealth redistribution plan, as SECOND seems to want? And, if we DO go the route of government-redistribution, might that not cause other problems down the road, such as a dependency on Big Government and people's loss of agency in their own lives? Maybe if we looked into the causes of the wealth gap, instead of simply patching the problem, we could develop a better more robust solution. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Friday, August 3, 2018 12:05 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:They were a civilization with a rich cultural heritage whose capital, Tenochtitlan, rivaled the greatest cities of Europe in size and grandeur.
Quote:Yup. Everybody would still be living in caves and straw huts without us.
Quote:They were a civilization with a rich cultural heritage...rivaled the greatest cities of Europe in size and grandeur.
Quote:Pedro Albizu Campos was a Puerto Rican attorney and politician, and the leading figure in the Puerto Rican independence movement. Gifted in languages, he spoke six. He graduated from Harvard Law School with the highest grade point average in his law class, an achievement that earned him the right to give the valedictorian speech at his graduation ceremony. However, animus towards his mixed racial heritage would lead to his professors delaying two of his final exams in order to keep Albizu Campos from being the first Puerto Rican law valedictorian.
Friday, August 3, 2018 12:57 AM
Quote:The grip on privilege slowly, methodically switching back to humans of color.
Friday, August 3, 2018 1:01 AM
Quote: Signym, while you are wrapped inside your abstractions about "robust solutions" to the "people's loss of agency" ...
Quote: Trump's right hand man signed a contract for his personal "government-mandated wealth redistribution plan". And the topic is "Why Trump is a Scumbag".
Friday, August 3, 2018 2:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The President of the United States is saying more than seven things that aren't true a day. SEVEN. And, what's more, his tendency toward untruth is actually picking up steam. As WaPo's Glenn Kessler, Salvador Rizzo and Meg Kelly note, Trump was averaging less than five false or misleading claims in his first 100 days. (Only five!) But, between June and July Trump is averaging -- averaging -- 16 falsehoods a day. (As a thought experiment, try to lie -- or misrepresent -- 16 times tomorrow. I bet you can't.) It's not just the raw numbers either. Trump has ramped up his disdain and dismissiveness of all forms of communication that don't originate with him. "Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening," Trump said earlier this month. "Just stick with us, don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news." On Tuesday, at a campaign rally in Tampa, Florida, Trump said: "You know, polls are fake, just like everything else." That message is getting through. According to a CBS News poll released earlier this week, 91% of strong Trump supporters say they trust the President to provide them accurate information while 63% say they trust their family and friends to do the same. Just 11% of them trust the mainstream media to provide accurate information. More at www.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/donald-trump-mistruths-analysis/index.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Friday, August 3, 2018 2:29 AM
Quote:BTW .... those pictures were taken in 2014.
Friday, August 3, 2018 2:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:The grip on privilege slowly, methodically switching back to humans of color. Whatever happened to the ideal of equality? ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Friday, August 3, 2018 2:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: Signym, while you are wrapped inside your abstractions about "robust solutions" to the "people's loss of agency" ... SGG seemed to want to discuss this ... Quote: Trump's right hand man signed a contract for his personal "government-mandated wealth redistribution plan". And the topic is "Why Trump is a Scumbag". Well, this IS a discussion-board! It IS possible to discuss multiple topics at once, is it not? But I wouldn't have suggested continuing that particular discussion on this particular thread. Anyway, I'm still interested in discussing this topic. This constant bagging on Trump is tiresome ... for example, one positive thing I can say about Trump is that he hasn't started any new wars so far, and for a USA President that's pretty awesome, considering our history! ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Friday, August 3, 2018 2:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Seriously Siggy, what was the Big Question again? I looked back in the thread, but couldn't find the Question.Thanks. SGG Sorry SHINY, your post got buried. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Friday, August 3, 2018 3:11 AM
Quote:So, looked at this from a different perspective, perhaps the question can be re-framed as What is the proper role of government?
Quote:How I got to that question goes like this>>> Sometimes, the government winds up trying to solve a problem that it itself created.
Quote:For example, the current wealth gap. That wealth gap has been getting steadily larger and larger no matter who is in office.
Quote:I think these are both very large questions, and also very interesting ones that deserve a lot of thoughtful discussion. They are so multi-faceted, as each question has entire OTHER questions attached to them, it would be fascinating to go down some of these bunny-trails with other people.
Friday, August 3, 2018 6:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: Signym, while you are wrapped inside your abstractions about "robust solutions" to the "people's loss of agency" ... SGG seemed to want to discuss this ... Quote: Trump's right hand man signed a contract for his personal "government-mandated wealth redistribution plan". And the topic is "Why Trump is a Scumbag". Well, this IS a discussion-board! It IS possible to discuss multiple topics at once, is it not? But I wouldn't have suggested continuing that particular discussion on this particular thread. Anyway, I'm still interested in discussing this topic. This constant bagging on Trump is tiresome ... for example, one positive thing I can say about Trump is that he hasn't started any new wars so far, and for a USA President that's pretty awesome, considering our history! "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Friday, August 3, 2018 6:44 AM
Quote:So, looked at this from a different perspective, perhaps the question can be re-framed as What is the proper role of government? - SIGNY The role of government is to serve it's people.- SGG
Quote:How I got to that question goes like this>>> Sometimes, the government winds up trying to solve a problem that it itself created.- SIGNY You mean like that whole "Zero Tolerance" debacle. - SGG
Quote:For example, the current wealth gap. That wealth gap has been getting steadily larger and larger no matter who is in office.- SIGNY That is not so. The gap seems to widen more when Republicans are in charge.- SGG
Quote: Taxes, tariffs, the demolition of established law and institutions, etc. You know this. - SGG
Quote:I think these are both very large questions, and also very interesting ones that deserve a lot of thoughtful discussion. They are so multi-faceted, as each question has entire OTHER questions attached to them, it would be fascinating to go down some of these bunny-trails with other people.- SGG I don't know what to say, except that this subset within the Community heading was built for just that...discussion. All within the parameters set by the thread topic. Agreed. Let's discuss the role of government as affected by the current administration. I think that would certainly be interesting.- SGG
Friday, August 3, 2018 8:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It sounds to me like you're assuming that if Trump goes, corruption just somehow magically stops? Don't you think that's sounds a bit ...er ... limited? "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Friday, August 3, 2018 9:01 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: It sounds to me like you are assuming that the Federal Government is in control of America. That was never true. Signym, whatever problems you list for America, those problems are less urgent for the Americans with more money and more power than the Feds. I’m certain that the top 1% or 2% have almost none of the problems on whatever list you might create.
Friday, August 3, 2018 9:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: You've had it explained to you countless times, comrade. - RF Yes yes yes, I was about to say the same thing and did so about her, kiki and others trying to get us to explain things over and over as though it hasn't been explained umpteen times already. It's why I am posting more and more news videos instead of writing about it. Let them argue with whats being reported and those reporting it instead of me. It's also why I am choosing more and more to respond to those who post facts instead of those who troll them. - T
Friday, August 3, 2018 10:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: It sounds to me like you are assuming that the Federal Government is in control of America. That was never true. Signym, whatever problems you list for America, those problems are less urgent for the Americans with more money and more power than the Feds. I’m certain that the top 1% or 2% have almost none of the problems on whatever list you might create. This is likely the most true thing Second posted here. Not really sure what the motive of telling anybody that is though, other than to gloat about how much money and power he has. All hail our 1% Overlords. lol Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, August 3, 2018 10:38 AM
Quote:America is run more like a Kingdom than a Democracy, but the King is far weaker than the 6 million in the American nobility, the Overlords. It is not a very exclusive group. You can buy your way into the lowest rung of the nobility with as little as $3,000,000 net worth. When America has an energetic King, a President such as FDR, he will keep his powerful nobility in their proper place. For example, FDR replaced Henry Ford because he would not convert his factories over to War Production. Henry Ford the Second was released from military service to became the new CEO of Ford, replacing his grandfather. If the American nobility is to be kept more or less in its proper place, the President has to guillotine the stubborn ones. The rest will then take instruction. But Trump is not a strong president. The rich can do whatever they please and Trump won't even pretend to stop them.
Friday, August 3, 2018 1:22 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Friday, August 3, 2018 4:57 PM
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Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:59 AM
Saturday, August 4, 2018 8:19 AM
Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: There are simply no patriots on the right in 2018.
Saturday, August 4, 2018 10:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You people on both sides are going crazy. It's actually kind of amusing to watch. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, August 4, 2018 10:26 AM
Saturday, August 4, 2018 10:56 AM
Quote:The left isn't joining conspiracy cults like QAnon, going on shooting sprees, or cheering a president who rips children from their families.
Saturday, August 4, 2018 11:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." I think the germane portions here are establishing justice, insuring domestic tranquility, and promoting the general welfare. Blumpy is not doing any of that. He seems to delight in sowing chaos, torturing children, and robbing the working class. He (like any narcissist,) loves to lie and gaslight, apparently for his own amusement, as much as anything else. He's going down, hopefully sooner than later. It will take years to fix the damage he's already done. It's a real commentary on the Republicans that they prefer to cower behind him, rather than call a fascist a fascist. There are simply no patriots on the right in 2018.
Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:The left isn't joining conspiracy cults like QAnon, going on shooting sprees, or cheering a president who rips children from their families. Nope! The left joins conspiracy cults like RUSSIA!!!, promotes violence against other Americans, and cheers on Presidents who bomb kids to smithereens.
Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:46 PM
Quote:The left isn't joining conspiracy cults like QAnon, going on shooting sprees, or cheering a president who rips children from their families. -RF Nope! The left joins conspiracy cults like RUSSIA!!!, promotes violence against other Americans, and cheers on Presidents who bomb kids to smithereens. SIGNY Hey! She's back to lying again - that didn't take long. 1. I think to be more accurate and honest, the deniers, Pro-Trumpers and Pro-Soviets have promoted the only real RUSSIA!!! cult, the one in which you try and absolve all of Trump's and his campaign's direct connections with Russia, by saying the real investigation into Russia's very real attack is fake. Like you just did. - GSTRING
Quote:2. Who is promoting violence against other Americans?
Quote:3. No one cheers on any on Presidents who bomb kids to smithereens
Saturday, August 4, 2018 3:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:The left isn't joining conspiracy cults like QAnon, going on shooting sprees, or cheering a president who rips children from their families. Nope! The left joins conspiracy cults like RUSSIA!!!, promotes violence against other Americans, and cheers on Presidents who bomb kids to smithereens. Hey! She's back to lying again - that didn't take long. 1. I think to be more accurate and honest, the deniers, Pro-Trumpers and Pro-Soviets have promoted the only real RUSSIA!!! cult, the one in which you try and absolve all of Trump's and his campaign's direct connections with Russia, by saying the real investigation into Russia's very real attack is fake. Like you just did. 2. Who is promoting violence against other Americans? Surely you mean Trump. He's done it so often there's even a convenient cheat sheet just for you - guess what it's called: All the times Trump has called for Violence at his rallies https://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#htz92fwhDiqg 3. No one cheers on any on Presidents who bomb kids to smithereens - ok, maybe there are some Republicans who would cheer if someone blew up kids in some shit hole country. Almost forgot: there are some people who like to post graphic images of mutilated children just to be an @sshole - does that count? Reaverfan - right again.
Saturday, August 4, 2018 5:59 PM
Quote:This guys argue against every institution in this country.
Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:The left isn't joining conspiracy cults like QAnon, going on shooting sprees, or cheering a president who rips children from their families. Nope! The left joins conspiracy cults like RUSSIA!!!, promotes violence against other Americans, and cheers on Presidents who bomb kids to smithereens. You really should look in a mirror sometimes. (Unless, of course, you have no reflection?)
Sunday, August 5, 2018 2:19 AM
Quote:Russian meddling is acknowledged by all intelligence agencies and the Senate.
Sunday, August 5, 2018 4:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:This guys argue against every institution in this country. If you believe that our "institutions" include bombing the snot out of foreign nations, control of our politics by a tiny elite, hemorrhaging money into our military-security complex, laying open the USA to exploitation by foreigners, and causing internal dissension through liberal application of identity politics ... well, yeah, I guess I'm against those "institutions". ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Sunday, August 5, 2018 4:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Russian meddling is acknowledged by all intelligence agencies and the Senate. So were "Iraq's WMD". They all stood, shoulder to shoulder, and completely conned the nation. Yeah, Trump is a douche. But this RUSSIA!!!! hysteria is just another con job. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Sunday, August 5, 2018 5:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:The left isn't joining conspiracy cults like QAnon, going on shooting sprees, or cheering a president who rips children from their families. Nope! The left joins conspiracy cults like RUSSIA!!!, promotes violence against other Americans, and cheers on Presidents who bomb kids to smithereens. You really should look in a mirror sometimes. (Unless, of course, you have no reflection?) ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Sunday, August 5, 2018 5:24 AM
Quote: Oh the irony-SGG
Quote:Russian meddling is acknowledged by all intelligence agencies and the Senate. -RF So were "Iraq's WMD". They all stood, shoulder to shoulder, and completely conned the nation.-SIGNY YGTBFKM- SGG
Quote: I'm all for the left beating the fuck out of the KKK and the make-believe Nazis (come get your tiki torches). There is no room in this country I'm all for such deep seeded hatred and cruelty.- SGG
Sunday, August 5, 2018 7:24 AM
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Sunday, August 5, 2018 9:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Speaking of lying ... like I just DIDN'T. Do you remember what I've said about Russia and it's involvement in our elections?
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:2. Who is promoting violence against other Americans? ANTIFA.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I can't recall a single time that you...
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