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Shoutout to Second, part II
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:01 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:47 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: By the time the murky flood waters had receded from the sprawling Chevron Phillips chemical plant in Baytown, 34,000 pounds of sodium hydroxide and 300 pounds of benzene — both highly toxic — had escaped through a damaged valve. The plant, a joint venture between Chevron and Phillips 66, is one of many that filled the region’s streets with a stew of chemicals, debris and waste in the days after Hurricane Harvey and its torrential rains. Employees later pumped some of the tainted water into 80 steel tanks. But most of the product “was lost in the floodwater,” David Gray, an Environmental Protection Agency spokesman based in Dallas, said in an email. A Chevron Phillips spokesman, Bryce Hallowell, declined to give further details of the spill. He stressed that the plant “was at the center of this incredibly powerful storm.” The chemical site lies in a moderate-risk flood zone, defined by the government as having a 0.2 percent chance of flooding in any year. It was at least the third time in three years that the Chevron Phillips facility blamed heavy downpours for chemical leaks. The spills underscore the vulnerability of America’s coastal industries to rising sea levels and extreme weather. This is the case along the Gulf Coast because the country’s oil, gas and petrochemicals industries are concentrated there.
Thursday, February 8, 2018 7:12 AM
Thursday, February 8, 2018 12:07 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Thursday, February 8, 2018 12:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Good idea starting this thread G. Second must have lost his bookmark to the first one since it finally fell off the front RWED page after 6 months of him virtue signalling to himself on a daily basis. Let's see if he can keep this one on top until 2019! Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, February 8, 2018 1:46 PM
WISHIMAY
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Second must have lost his bookmark to the first one since it finally fell off the front RWED page after 6 months of him virtue signalling
Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wishimay: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Second must have lost his bookmark to the first one since it finally fell off the front RWED page after 6 months of him virtue signalling You haven't seen the Black Mirror episode The Black Museum yet, have you? Lemme know when you do.
Thursday, February 8, 2018 8:22 PM
Thursday, February 8, 2018 8:32 PM
Thursday, February 8, 2018 8:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Not reading it, but thanks for trying to spoil it for me! Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:17 AM
Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:39 AM
Monday, February 12, 2018 6:35 AM
Wednesday, February 14, 2018 7:23 AM
Friday, February 23, 2018 12:33 PM
Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:59 AM
Friday, March 2, 2018 8:31 AM
Monday, March 5, 2018 9:19 AM
Monday, March 5, 2018 9:22 AM
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 11:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Nice. I wonder what they'll owe the Federal Government for that 10 Billion. There's no free lunches.
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:28 PM
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 2:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Obviously money shouldn't be spent rebuilding in flood planes. If they really want to do something meaningful, now would be the time to lock up anybody involved in ignoring those flood planes and costing American taxpayers 10 billion dollars. Politicians, lobbyists, builders, etc. Lock them up and try to recover as much of that 10 billion as they can from the people who profited from it.
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 8:26 AM
Thursday, March 8, 2018 6:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: My suggestion, so that the land owners of flood plane land don't get wiped out, is to find alternative uses for that land. Maybe they could build solar and wind farms on the land instead of houses?
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm not really talking about home owners selling their homes to other people here. So long as the people buying them know what they're getting into, I think that's fair. I'm talking more about land developers. Although I also understand that this is a problem...
Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: In the Kingwood subdivision of Houston, the whole area would be of better use to sand miners than for renewable energy. There are sand pits all around that area. Houses should have never been built there. The next story talks about dredging the sand out of the river to protect the houses from more flooding. Here is a map: https://goo.gl/maps/oZVaSG1a1Qq Most of the area close to the river is still green forest or golf courses, with some obvious sand pits in the forest, but one land-developer decided to build Kingwood in the flood plain.
Quote:Personally, a home-owner who resells to the next sucker is even worse than a land-developer who sells to the first sucker. The land-developer can truthfully tell the salesmen that the house never flooded, while the home-owner knows for certain it does flood.
Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The only people who can really get duped are people like me who bought a home with cash.
Wednesday, March 14, 2018 8:00 AM
Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:49 AM
Friday, March 16, 2018 7:57 AM
Sunday, March 18, 2018 8:17 AM
Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:31 AM
Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:56 AM
Thursday, March 29, 2018 7:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: https://rethink.earth/lessons-from-hurricane-harvey/ Albert Pope, an architect at Rice University in Houston, doubts that adaptation through infrastructure fixes are sufficient to keep Houston safe from serious flood damage. He says that there’s too little undeveloped land left to accommodate new reservoirs of sufficient capacity, and that further straightening, widening, and bank-hardening can’t force bayous to carry more water. “We’re at the limits to what we can do, engineering-wise,” he says. His solution is more disruptive of the status quo, and Houston’s fix-it-with-concrete ethos. He insists that Houston should do something more transformative and remove all the buildings in its flood plains – 150,000 structures, including those on three-quarters of the acreage in Meyerland – and turn the acquired land into parks. Buying out so many people would be a “monumental task,” Pope acknowledges – and he suggests that the process should be phased in slowly, over decades, focussing first on the most risk prone structure. Pope says that the only alternative is to repair flood plain buildings after each successive flood, at great expense and with no obvious end game.
Wednesday, April 4, 2018 7:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: In a nutshell. A wise after-the-fact plan that I assume would be accelerated by each flood.
Wednesday, April 4, 2018 8:09 AM
Wednesday, April 4, 2018 9:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: In a nutshell. A wise after-the-fact plan that I assume would be accelerated by each flood.The people that built Houston so that it would flood are strongly opposed to "wise after-the-fact plan", which reminds us that it is more profitable to build in the flood zone than to either build on higher ground or to raise the first floor to a higher level. From today's Houston Chronicle: Fight over floodplain rules taps into resistance to regulation. www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Fight-over-Houston-floodplain-rules-taps-into-12802536.php What seemed like a stunned consensus that change was needed following Harvey is now looking like every other City Hall fight over new regulations. Houston’s Mayor Turner is asking the city council to require all new construction in Houston’s floodplains to be built two feet above the projected water level in a 500-year storm, which is deemed to have a 0.2 percent chance of happening in any given year. Current rules mandate that buildings be constructed one foot above the flood level in a less severe 100-year storm, and apply only within the 100-year floodplain, where properties are considered to have a 1 percent annual chance of being inundated. Minimum home elevations would be imposed within the 500-year floodplain for the first time. “We have a development reputation of being very laissez-faire and saying you can kind of build where you’re going to want to build and build what you want to build,” said Kyle Shelton of Rice University’s Kinder Institute for Urban Research, which has been convening panels on flood resilience since Harvey. “This is one of the more recent really big attempts to say, ‘Hell No, there are some places where here’s what you’re going to have to do.’ Naturally, that’s going to get discussion and get pushback in Houston because it’s not something that we’ve done a lot.” Rice University political scientist Mark Jones said the familiar pattern of the debate is unsurprising. That, he said, is because Houston’s strong-mayor form of government gives Mayor Turner control over the content of the council agenda and the city departments that draft and implement policies, and because of the “knee-jerk culture in Houston, where any regulation is initially assumed to be bad regulation.” The same home-builders who built in a flood plain and caused $100 billion in damage want to continue business as usual. And there is much whining that old houses will lose their value because new houses built to new regulations with higher elevation on the first floor will make it far too obvious that the old houses in the neighborhood are likely to flood in the next hurricane. Realtors do NOT want flood zones to be obvious because home-buyers might not buy the home or, if the house sells, sales commissions might be lower. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, April 4, 2018 9:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: What I’m getting from this is that houses should be raised THREE feet minimum, not 1 or 2 since those are considered safe. It would be great if we (Houston) approached this problem from the pov of, “let’s show the world how this should be handled.”
Thursday, April 5, 2018 7:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: What is most likely to happen (50% chance) is that nothing will happen on the City Council: the rules will remain almost unchanged.
Monday, April 9, 2018 7:04 AM
Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:11 AM
Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:39 AM
Wednesday, April 25, 2018 7:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Plan to build hundreds of homes in west Houston flood plain returns to council By Mike Morris, Updated: April 24, 2018 7:20am “Basically, nothing has changed. The only thing that’s changed is that there has been more time pass since Harvey, so I think they’re expecting there being less opposition as people forget about the impact of Harvey.” Mayor Sylvester Turner and the City Council balked at a developer’s plan to build hundreds of homes in a west Houston flood plain last fall in the weeks after Hurricane Harvey, but will take up the same proposal this week with no apparent revisions. The homebuilder, Meritage Homes, said its plans for the Spring Brook Village development did not change because the drainage system it is building is robust enough to {what follows is a long string of small deceptions which the reporter cannot penetrate, because he is not an engineer, to get the truth. The Republicans on the City Council who pass themselves off as “Independents” ha-ha-ha probably don’t care what the truth is, but they cannot say that aloud. If you are a Democrat in Texas, you know how Republicans and “Independents” are when asked to do a sneaky favor for a wealthy homebuilder.} Councilwoman Brenda Stardig, owner of Stardig Patrick Real Estate https://ballotpedia.org/Brenda_Stardig noted that voting down the developer’s preferred financing method — the utility district — would not prevent the site from being developed. “My concern is that we have responsible development, and killing the MUD is not going to kill the project,” Stardig said. “I would have loved to have had a park and green space and the golf course or other recreational activities there. However, this is private property. They worked within the parameters of the ordinances.” Aside from the optics of approving development in a flood plain so soon after Harvey, said Councilman David Robinson, an architect https://ballotpedia.org/David_W._Robinson ,“We can’t say no just because it might look bad if it adheres to existing policy.” www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Plan-to-build-hundreds-of-homes-in-west-Houston-12858540.php The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, April 25, 2018 9:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Maybe, in the future, there *was* no mass exodus from Earth? Maybe there was no great extinction Event? Maybe smart people got tired of rolling their eyes and built ships and loaded them up with other smart people and just left the dummies behind to face the fate of their own misdeeds? Ooooo - what if there were 2 Great Leavings from Earth? The Smarts first, followed by what was left of the Dims after they'd effed it up completely? I'm sensing a scifi series here... if it hasn't already been done. Reaver origin story perhaps?
Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:12 AM
Thursday, April 26, 2018 1:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The top story on the front page of today's Houston Chronicle: After Hurricane Harvey, the Harris County Flood Control District is seeking $75,000 in federal grants for a billboard campaign aimed at encouraging residents to buy insurance. Harris County is planning a billboard campaign to encourage residents to buy flood insurance, hoping to drive home one of the costliest lessons from Hurricane Harvey. It is a drumbeat long sounded by public officials seeking to prepare the region for floods, but the message has taken on new significance after Harvey, in which 83 percent of the 1.4 million buildings in Harris County lacked flood insurance when the storm hit, according to estimates from the flood control district. “We should make people aware of the facts,” said Ataul Hannan, planning division director for the Harris County Flood Control District. “You cannot take away risk.” To do that, the district wants to put up two dozen billboards along some of Harris County’s most-traveled roadways, reminding residents of the importance of flood insurance. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, April 26, 2018 4:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Do the banks in Texas not require you to have flood insurance if you're loaning money from them, or does everybody in Harris County own their homes with cash? If this is a case where the flood planes are not properly zoned, that's something to strongly consider re-zoning. This would probably get a lot of pushback from people that owned the houses though. It would mean that unless they owned their homes free and clear that they would be forced to pay for insurance they were getting away without paying before. Are FEMA zoning maps and other information easily obtainable and readable in Harris County and Texas in general? It's hard to have a solid opinion on any of this without knowing details like that. Where I live, I can easily go online and see a FEMA map of every house in my city that is color coded as to the severity of any homes on the flood plane. These color codes actually determine what level of insurance you'd have to pay. Colorless means that you're not in a flood zone and don't need to pay. GREEN means that you're in the lowest risk flood zone and would pay only a fraction of about 1/4 to 1/3 what the people in RED zones would have to pay. These aren't hand drawn maps either. They use GoogleMaps. I think the first step here is to ensure that something like this is done everywhere in the country if it isn't being done already. If it is already being done, I think billboards should be going up making people aware of their ability to go online and see what level of flood zone their home is on, and especially to see what level a home they're thinking about buying is on. This information wouldn't only be beneficial when it comes to insurance issues. It would also help people who didn't realize they might be at risk take some preventative measures to mitigate or at least minimize any damage they'd receive if the worst were to occur. For instance, I'm on a GREEN zone. Because of the work the city/county has done creating and maintaining man-made ditches to mitigate the water, the chances that the streets around here would actually flood are almost non-existant barring a Noah's Arc type scenario. But what it does mean for me is that I absolutely have to have a sump pump in working order 24/7 because the house was built with livable area in the basement. Even a moderate amount of rain would end up flooding my home if I were away for a few weeks and the power went out during average seasonal spring rain. It would be good for people to easily find this type of information out so they can plan ahead. The upfront costs of having a battery backed up sump and a second well could mean spending hundreds to a thousand bucks now so you don't have to spend tens of thousands for flood damage after the fact. It also might mean that you don't buy a house in the first place because you're just not willing to take the risk at all. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, April 26, 2018 8:51 PM
Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: They need to upgrade that map. The maximum zoom level leaves a lot to be desired. The map I'm talking about can zoom in to just a city block and shows actual satellite imagery of every home. For instance, I'm one of several homes at the end of my block that are green-zone, while most of the houses the other way are not in the flood zone at all. Several blocks behind me is the lowest part of the area and houses there are in red zone. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, April 27, 2018 7:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: They need to upgrade that map. The maximum zoom level leaves a lot to be desired. The map I'm talking about can zoom in to just a city block and shows actual satellite imagery of every home. For instance, I'm one of several homes at the end of my block that are green-zone, while most of the houses the other way are not in the flood zone at all. Several blocks behind me is the lowest part of the area and houses there are in red zone. Do Right, Be Right. :) You mean a map like this? https://msc.fema.gov/portal/search?AddressQuery=601%20W%20Main%20St%2C%20Baytown%2C%20TX#searchresultsanchor
Quote:If the house will be around for 100 years, this kind of map is only good for a year because sea level is rising along the coast and the ground is sinking because of wells, both water and oil. This map, with all the superfine details, won't be right 10 years from now.
Quote:If you're buying a house, don't buy one a few feet outside the flood zone. In time, you will be inside the flood zone.
Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Honestly, this is something that should be added to the list of things we teach our kids in high school. I suggest that we give the kids at least a one semester class that covers things like flood zones, securing loans, building credit, being responsible with credit, knowing what a predatory loan is and staying far away from them, doing their own tax returns, what a 401k is and how to invest in it (at least to always take advantage of your company match), budgeting, using the internet to pay your bills, setting up automatic payments for at least the minimum monthly payment, etc., etc., etc... So much dumb shit our kids are taught, and we don't even teach them how to take care of themselves when they're adults. Sigh...... Do Right, Be Right. :)
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