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Signym has a grudge against Hillary, as does Putin. A coincidence? Probably not.
www.pri.org/stories/2017-10-25/vladimir-putins-grudge-hillary-clinton
"Vladimir Putin's grudge with Hillary Clinton"

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Signym, the existing nuclear program is nothing I'll say anything intelligent about, because I like to post stuff for which I have ZERO evidence, and for which a simple google search would make me look ... wrong.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

Because RUSSIA IS what Russia IS.

They don't mind screwing over other countries in order to advance their homophobic, white power, freedom of speech killing, warmongering agenda.

WHY WOULD YOU WANT CONTACT WITH THAT?????

They prove every day why they can't be trusted to even have NORMAL relations with them.

I swear.. it's like you are constantly advocating that the U.S. has to stay in an abusive relationship with Russia...because WHY??

What the hell do we have to gain from that??

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Hmmm... so THUGR's head is up GSTRING's ass, and GSTRING's head is up THUGR's ass. It must be for the warmth.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
BROWN PEOPLE??? What the hell are you on about?? I don't support half the crap we've done either, it doesn't mean Russia is less ... bent to take us over or manipulate our systems.

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WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS.

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This is from TODAY.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/russia-successfully-hacked-into-voter-ro
lls-during-2016-election/?sr_share=facebook

WE are being dicked with by these asshats. And you think we should just let them do whatever they want to do to us because...NUCLEAR WAR???? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING??!!!

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There is NO GODDAMN RISK of nuclear war with Russia right now,

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SO WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT EVER MATTER????

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RUSSIA!! BREAKS EVERY LAW THEY DON'T MAKE THEMSELVES, AND A FEW THEY DO. They have no problem breaking every rule to get what THEY WANT...just like the Olympics. They broke doping so much they got banned !

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Which doesn't even matter because no matter what Russia does, no matter what we do...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .WE.DON'T.WANT.TO.BE.RUSSIA. EVER. NUCLEAR WEAPONS OR NO.
Have YOU ever NEGOTIATED with a bully??? IT DOESN'T WORK. The only thing that shuts down a bully is to make them scared with a large show of force.
PEOPLE AREN'T REASONABLE, bullies especially! YOU CANNOT REASON WITH THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE REASONED WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Russia does NOT want to be reasoned with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I know what it's like to be around someone who constantly thinks about the worst case scenario, but you are absolutely OBSESSED with a completely improbable worst case scenario.

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They ARE attacking infrastructure, I see it in the news all the time. Guess you just conveniently miss that, huh?
http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/29977/cyber-warfare-2/russia-hacke
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US infrastructure and government agencies are constantly under attack, a few weeks ago the White House confirmed to have suffered a cyber attack on its computer network which lasted for almost two weeks.

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To have any recall of the Cuban Missile Crisis you would have to be in your 60's and you aren't. Unless you had your kid in your fifties. Right.

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This thread was started BECAUSE OF YOUR CONSTANT OBSESSIONS.

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You really believe that nuclear war could break out at any second with people we aren't in REGULAR WAR with. That is the very definition of paranoid delusion.

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Maybe you should stop referring to her as a "child" then.
She is a handicapped ADULT.

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I'm sure I have no clue ..I'd have to say I completely see where I get my messed up mental DNA from.

And the reason Russia hasn't done worse, is we have agencies that somehow can stop a cyberattack after it's been launched! So it doesn't get .. like ... worser!

And I can't begin to imagine why I can't stop trolling!

Hey look! I can post pictures instead of actual facts and logic, because facts and logic are just hard. I mean like, they're really haaaaard!

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Russian cyberspies have tricked employees at US defence companies into exposing their emails. "Hackers predominantly targeted personal Gmail (by phishing), with a few corporate accounts mixed in."

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http://www.newsweek.com/russia-us-attack-cuba-officials-649546

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russia-never-stopped-its-cyber
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-hackers
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https://www.military.com/defensetech/2017/09/06/russian-hackers-suspec
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And for the rest of us ... 2:00 -12:50

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I thought it was kinda funny. I laughed a little

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I hate to disagree wish but this is a much better dipection of sig



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American hysteria over Russia will lead to nuclear war, according to report

Russian television broadcast a dire sounding piece on February 5th that probably was rather disquieting to most Russians, and also a source of significant dismay to their hopes for a rapprochement in relations following the election of Donald Trump to the Presidency of the United States. The news agency “Vesti” explained that the US is preparing itself for nuclear war with Russia.

The US Department of Defense published its 2018 Nuclear Posture Review. This consists of at least two documents that are public domain that detail the assessment the DoD made about nuclear threats from around the world. The language about Russia is curious, for like Russia, the US repeatedly maintains that there is no desire for anything but good relations.

However, this is unfortunately either a blind claim or a willfully blind claim for the sake of propaganda. Based on the insanity of the US government’s reaction or posture about Russia overall, with the military fears, the sanctions and the most recent incidents of the release of the “Kremlin list” of government heads and successful businessmen and women, and the close flyby of a Russian fighter jet to an American surveillance aircraft, the ever-present “RussiaGate” investigations; and the lack of visible insanity on the Russians’ side, it seems likely that the American version of what is causing the ‘need’ to resolidify ‘defenses’ is lacking in factual evidence and cannot be taken as conclusive or trustworthy.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
You were for Hillary? Then yes, you did.

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after this year, I'm pretty sure ANYONE would have more grace, credibility, or honor than Herr Trumpski.- WITCHY

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You and 6ix and Niki have been picking on my kid and my husband

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Yeah, you were being so nice, you only used "bitch" every other line. -WISHY

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I don't think you are even old enough to personally remember the Cuban Missile Crisis. Were your parents obsessed with it?? Did they beat you if you didn't constantly worry about Nuclear War?? You have serious brainwash level concern with this. Something is not right with you.

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BOOZE FOR BRAINS.

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This thread was started BECAUSE OF YOUR CONSTANT OBSESSIONS.

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if you are American (which we know you aren't)

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I wouldn't go pointing out how graceless others are, if I were you.

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SECOND, your problem is that you use the "kitchen sink" style of argument, as in "everything but the kitchen sink", and you can't seem to decide whether the change of NPR/ increase in military/ nuclear spending is

a) A moral outrage, caused by "Americans" lack of concern for anyone but themselves
b) A strategic nightmare, with the capability of destroying most human life on earth, including America itself, or
c) A cynical money-grab by the military industrial complex, who have no plans to actually use the weapons that they profited from so greatly

The last option kind of negates the first two, so decide which argument you think is the most correct and go with that one.

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So SECOND, what you've done is provide great evidence that the Nobel Prize is corrupted (which I already knew. After all, both Kissinger and Obama got the Peace Prize), and that American scientists are moral cowards.

What is your solution?

That scientists boycott nuclear research?

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Maybe my previous remark needs a little expansion.

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While the United States has continued to reduce the number and salience of nuclear weapons, others, including Russia and China, have moved
in the opposite direction. They have added new types of nuclear capabilities to their arsenals, increased the salience of nuclear forces in their strategies and plans, and engaged in increasingly aggressive behavior, including in outer space and cyber space. North Korea continues its illicit pursuit of nuclear weapons and missile capabilities in direct violation of United Nations (U.N.) Security Council resolutions. Iran has agreed to constraints on its nuclear program in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). Nevertheless, it retains the technological capability and much of the capacity necessary to develop a nuclear weapon within one year of a decision to do so.

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In the meantime, I'm looking this over:

Executive Summary of the NPR

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While the United States has continued to reduce the number and salience of nuclear weapons, others, including Russia and China, have moved
in the opposite direction. They have added new types of nuclear capabilities to their arsenals, increased the salience of nuclear forces in their strategies and plans, and engaged in increasingly aggressive behavior, including in outer space and cyber space. North Korea continues its illicit pursuit of nuclear weapons and missile capabilities in direct violation of United Nations (U.N.) Security Council resolutions. Iran has agreed to constraints on its nuclear program in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). Nevertheless, it retains the technological capability and much of the capacity necessary to develop a nuclear weapon within one year of a decision to do so.

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In the meantime, I'm looking this over:

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While the United States has continued to reduce the number and salience of nuclear weapons, others, including Russia and China, have moved
in the opposite direction. They have added new types of nuclear capabilities to their arsenals, increased the salience of nuclear forces in their strategies and plans, and engaged in increasingly aggressive behavior, including in outer space and cyber space. North Korea continues its illicit pursuit of nuclear weapons and missile capabilities in direct violation of United Nations (U.N.) Security Council resolutions. Iran has agreed to constraints on its nuclear program in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). Nevertheless, it retains the technological capability and much of the capacity necessary to develop a nuclear weapon within one year of a decision to do so.

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It is salesmanship. The Pentagon is selling the idea that the US needs to buy nukes. I think it will convince most Americans, since they were sold the idea, and continue to believe, that nuking Japanese children was necessary in the past, so why not buy nukes for the future?

The grandson, Paul Tibbets IV, of the pilot and, later, general who nuked Japan was promoted to brigadier general in 2014, and became Deputy Director for Nuclear Operations at the Global Operations Directorate of the United States Strategic Command at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. As such, he was responsible for America's strategic nuclear forces. On 5 June 2015, he assumed command of the 509th Bomb Wing. The American business of nuking the world passes down the generations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tibbets]

Sorry second but for now I'm on board. I'm still hopeful for a better future though.


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Sorry second but for now I'm on board. I'm still hopeful for a better future though.

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Sorry second but for now I'm on board. I'm still hopeful for a better future though.

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With you on board, I'm on board, too, so long as Trump is strapped to the dropped nuke like Maj. 'King' Kong (Slim Pickens) in Dr. Strangelove. If Trump has the same commitment to nuking North Korea as Maj. King Kong had to nuking Russia, it must be a great idea, the best idea. I'm giddy for using tactical nukes wherever, whenever, with Trump leading the way to victory. Make America Great Again. www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012

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Agreed. Good post second, too funny.

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I didn't hear any of YOUR objections to placing a "missile defense" in Romania, Poland, and the Czech Republic, which puts nuclear missiles right on Russia's doorstep.

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I didn't hear any of YOUR objections to placing a "missile defense" in Romania, Poland, and the Czech Republic, which puts nuclear missiles right on Russia's doorstep.

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What, lol. These are interceptor missiles - designed to shoot nuclear missiles out of the sky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_missile_defence_system



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I didn't hear any of YOUR objections to placing a "missile defense" in Romania, Poland, and the Czech Republic, which puts nuclear missiles right on Russia's doorstep. - SIGNY
What, lol. These are interceptor missiles - designed to shoot nuclear missiles out of the sky KRAPO

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which puts nuclear missiles right on Russia's doorstep. - SIGNY

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Now, I didn't want to explain the whole problem because it's complicated, and I figured it would be too complicated for you all

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While the United States has continued to reduce the number and salience of nuclear weapons, others, including Russia and China, have moved
in the opposite direction. They have added new types of nuclear capabilities to their arsenals, increased the salience of nuclear forces in their strategies and plans, and engaged in increasingly aggressive behavior, including in outer space and cyber space. North Korea continues its illicit pursuit of nuclear weapons and missile capabilities in direct violation of United Nations (U.N.) Security Council resolutions. Iran has agreed to constraints on its nuclear program in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). Nevertheless, it retains the technological capability and much of the capacity necessary to develop a nuclear weapon within one year of a decision to do so.

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It is salesmanship. The Pentagon is selling the idea that the US needs to buy nukes. I think it will convince most Americans, since they were sold the idea, and continue to believe, that nuking Japanese children was necessary in the past, so why not buy nukes for the future?

The grandson, Paul Tibbets IV, of the pilot and, later, general who nuked Japan was promoted to brigadier general in 2014, and became Deputy Director for Nuclear Operations at the Global Operations Directorate of the United States Strategic Command at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. As such, he was responsible for America's strategic nuclear forces. On 5 June 2015, he assumed command of the 509th Bomb Wing. The American business of nuking the world passes down the generations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tibbets
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Sorry Sig, I can't work out if you have accepted that you were wrong yet, or if you are just kicking up dust to hide that you lied.
This statement is 100% false. The missiles in the ABM system are NOT nuclear. You are writing things that are 100% false. Either you were ignorant, or you lied. I read this as admitting that you lied.

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Signym. How about the alternate explanation that most Americans find burning children with A-bombs is A-OK? Two decades after Hiroshima, 70% told a Harris poll that we did the right thing, while 17% were sorry, and in 1982 Harris found those numbers at 63% and 26% respectively. By 1998, a History Channel/Roper poll found 47% said dropping the bombs was the right thing to do, 26% wrong, and 22% somewhere in between. This gives Trump tremendous latitude to do as he pleases. If he wants more nukes, the people are with him. Pentagon is always for more. Say the words "national defense" and Congress will vote yes. They always do.
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/public-opinion-using-nuclear-weapons/

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That's how Americans react to a lot of things. Right after the official explanation of Kennedy's assassination came out, most people believe it. Decades later, they don't.

Right before our invasion of Iraq (Panama, Libya, Grenada) most people believed the excuses; decades later, they don't.

What causes this reaction? Is it possible that the media runs a blitz on the population, and that public opinion bends to the propaganda campaign and only slowly asserts itself after the pressure is off?

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Then the military's propaganda campaign - to make the US first-use of nuclear weapons in a conventional conflict acceptable to the public - which began in 2001 - did its job.

ETA: the US government has been propagandizing us about nuclear weapons ever since duck-and-cover, also called smoke-and-mirrors. We got your back, they assured us. We have a PLAN! Then we were told the new plan was MAD. MAD would keep us safe. For the last decade we've been told that as long as nukes were merely 'limited' for 'strategic' use, using them would be OK.

There is a long, long history of the US government propagandizing its subjects - oh, I should have said citizens - not just about nukes, but for general military purposes.

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Then the military's propaganda campaign - to make the US first-use of nuclear weapons in a conventional conflict acceptable to the public - which began in 2001 - did its job.

ETA: the US government has been propagandizing us about nuclear weapons ever since duck-and-cover, also called smoke-and-mirrors. We got your back, they assured us. We have a PLAN! Then we were told the new plan was MAD. MAD would keep us safe. For the last decade we've been told that as long as nukes were merely 'limited' for 'strategic' use, using them would be OK.

There is a long, long history of the US government propagandizing its subjects - oh, I should have said citizens - not just about nukes, but for general military purposes.

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The propaganda exits, in large amounts, I might add. I can show it, and you know it's true.

The government wouldn't bother if it didn't think it was necessary - to give us subjects the required push in attitude.

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