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Minimum Wage Increase Eliminates Minimum Wage Jobs By Forcing Businesses Out of The Market
Sunday, July 2, 2017 1:32 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, July 2, 2017 2:35 PM
6STRINGJOKER
Sunday, July 2, 2017 2:46 PM
Sunday, July 2, 2017 9:33 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: . . . and although it's pointless to "brag" about intelligence when you can't prove it, I am extremely intelligent and always tested in the top 1% in tests as a child.
Monday, July 3, 2017 12:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: You call facts bullshit? I'm not surprised. As for emotional damage - oh boo hoo. Grow up, already. And finally, if you think you got where you are (such as it is) on merit alone, and that everyone gets what they deserve, you're a fucking head-case. I'm not asking you to go around carrying guilt. I'm saying you need to recognize that you've received undeserved benefits along with your undeserved problems, and you need to start looking at the world through realistic adult eyes instead of little-boy Jack-victim/ hero eyes. Because you may not believe it, but the world doesn't revolve around Jack.
Monday, July 3, 2017 12:41 AM
Monday, July 3, 2017 7:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: I'm the one saying that I deserve what I got, both good and bad. You're the one saying that everything is predetermined by your color and your sex, and that I don't deserve anything I've worked for and saved for. I'm done talking to somebody who flip flops every post and argues just for arguments sake.
Monday, July 3, 2017 9:58 AM
RIVERLOVE
Monday, July 3, 2017 11:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Riverlove: I believe I earned everything I have, but I did have some good luck along the way. While I'm ever grateful for it, I also don't make any apologies for it either.
Monday, July 3, 2017 1:58 PM
Monday, July 3, 2017 2:42 PM
Quote:There is a third possibility: none of the above. You both imagine that there is a system. You don't agree on how that system works.
Monday, July 3, 2017 2:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: Hey dipshit. I'm the one saying that I deserve what I got, both good and bad. You're the one saying that everything is predetermined by your color and your sex, and that I don't deserve anything I've worked for and saved for. Go fuck yourself. I'm done talking to somebody who flip flops every post and argues just for arguments sake.
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: Kiki seems to think that everything is either one or the other, which is just crazy talk.
Monday, July 3, 2017 3:09 PM
Monday, July 3, 2017 6:29 PM
Monday, July 3, 2017 6:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: You know this from your own life, Second. How much chance do you have of being stripped of all assets, being in debt and making only $23K per year, as the final status of your life?
Monday, July 3, 2017 7:01 PM
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Tuesday, July 4, 2017 12:11 AM
Tuesday, July 4, 2017 10:21 AM
Tuesday, July 4, 2017 12:02 PM
REAVERFAN
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Remember, increasing the minimum wage means the employer pays almost double the increase, which then must be collected by charging more for the product or service, which is then paid for by the Minimum Wage Earner. So, getting an increase in the Minimum Wage means the costs double and the Minimum Wage Earner is TWICE as far behind in the Earning/Cost ratio!! This is exactly how the dollar gets devalued. It's not from the Chinese worker getting 2 rice balls per day instead of one - it is from the American Minimum Wage increases. Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: One way or another you're paying for it anyway. I could get a job tomorrow and in 3 months I will be receiving $2,400/yr tax free food stamps. Being a single male, my EIC will only be around $200/yr, but many of the women I worked with at my last job were getting between $400-$600/month in food stamps and $6,000-$12,000/yr in EIC. That means while I'm paying a modest sum on taxes, they're working the same job as I do and paying no taxes and being paid twice as much as I make.EIC overpayment is all hocus pocus from Obama, the foundation of his plan to destroy America and the economy. If this ws based upon economic principles and value or productivity, this EIC overpayment garbage would not exist.Quote: That's not even taking into consideration all the people getting healthcare for free now when middle class workers are paying 3 times as much and have double the deductible for their family. All due to Obamacare destroying the economy.Quote:Meanwhile, the car insurance and homeowners insurance this year saw another 10% increase by me,increased costs germinated by the increased Minimum Wage cause companies to increase their rates to pay for it itQuote: and local property taxes jumped 15% (a majority of that increase going to schools). HELLOOOOOO!!!!! Increase in Minimum Wage requires by Law that UNION TEACHERS get paid more for doing less. This is exactly why they want to raise the Minimum Wage!! - so they have an excuse to raise your taxes to pay for their McMansions. In my neighboring Florence County, the High School Math teacher bought his first Island some years ago - and his wife does not work.Quote:8 years of Obama and the average American worker is making 3% more than they were when he got into office. Even with the modest increases in inflation that J0 provided the compounded inflation rate over the same 8 years was over 18%... Meanwhile, corporations are now making more than 60% more than when Obama first took office.
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: One way or another you're paying for it anyway. I could get a job tomorrow and in 3 months I will be receiving $2,400/yr tax free food stamps. Being a single male, my EIC will only be around $200/yr, but many of the women I worked with at my last job were getting between $400-$600/month in food stamps and $6,000-$12,000/yr in EIC. That means while I'm paying a modest sum on taxes, they're working the same job as I do and paying no taxes and being paid twice as much as I make.
Quote: That's not even taking into consideration all the people getting healthcare for free now when middle class workers are paying 3 times as much and have double the deductible for their family.
Quote:Meanwhile, the car insurance and homeowners insurance this year saw another 10% increase by me,
Quote: and local property taxes jumped 15% (a majority of that increase going to schools).
Quote:8 years of Obama and the average American worker is making 3% more than they were when he got into office. Even with the modest increases in inflation that J0 provided the compounded inflation rate over the same 8 years was over 18%... Meanwhile, corporations are now making more than 60% more than when Obama first took office.
Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:47 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Remember, increasing the minimum wage means the employer pays almost double the increase, which then must be collected by charging more for the product or service, which is then paid for by the Minimum Wage Earner. So, getting an increase in the Minimum Wage means the costs double and the Minimum Wage Earner is TWICE as far behind in the Earning/Cost ratio!! This is exactly how the dollar gets devalued. It's not from the Chinese worker getting 2 rice balls per day instead of one - it is from the American Minimum Wage increases. Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: One way or another you're paying for it anyway. I could get a job tomorrow and in 3 months I will be receiving $2,400/yr tax free food stamps. Being a single male, my EIC will only be around $200/yr, but many of the women I worked with at my last job were getting between $400-$600/month in food stamps and $6,000-$12,000/yr in EIC. That means while I'm paying a modest sum on taxes, they're working the same job as I do and paying no taxes and being paid twice as much as I make.EIC overpayment is all hocus pocus from Obama, the foundation of his plan to destroy America and the economy. If this ws based upon economic principles and value or productivity, this EIC overpayment garbage would not exist.Quote: That's not even taking into consideration all the people getting healthcare for free now when middle class workers are paying 3 times as much and have double the deductible for their family. All due to Obamacare destroying the economy.Quote:Meanwhile, the car insurance and homeowners insurance this year saw another 10% increase by me,increased costs germinated by the increased Minimum Wage cause companies to increase their rates to pay for it itQuote: and local property taxes jumped 15% (a majority of that increase going to schools). HELLOOOOOO!!!!! Increase in Minimum Wage requires by Law that UNION TEACHERS get paid more for doing less. This is exactly why they want to raise the Minimum Wage!! - so they have an excuse to raise your taxes to pay for their McMansions. In my neighboring Florence County, the High School Math teacher bought his first Island some years ago - and his wife does not work.Quote:8 years of Obama and the average American worker is making 3% more than they were when he got into office. Even with the modest increases in inflation that J0 provided the compounded inflation rate over the same 8 years was over 18%... Meanwhile, corporations are now making more than 60% more than when Obama first took office.Sure, but you are supposed to believe all of the lies that he told you, so you'll be happy. Aren't you a BELIEVER?
Monday, July 10, 2017 7:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/?utm_term=.ec388241b469 http://www.seattletimes.com/business/uw-study-finds-seattles-minimum-wage-is-costing-jobs/ Edit: today on July 10 I am editing this because I failed to complete this post. These were a couple of the news links about the new study with the same results - this one by University of Washington regarding the minimum wage hikes in Seattle.
Monday, July 10, 2017 7:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/?utm_term=.ec388241b469 http://www.seattletimes.com/business/uw-study-finds-seattles-minimum-wage-is-costing-jobs/ So are $15 per hour employees leaving Seattle for cities that pay $7.50 because they prefer the lower wage and working more hours?
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/?utm_term=.ec388241b469 http://www.seattletimes.com/business/uw-study-finds-seattles-minimum-wage-is-costing-jobs/
Quote: And if they did leave Seattle that would be good because there would be less competition among the people left behind for low cost housing around Seattle.
Quote:Looks like a win-win for everybody except employers.
Quote: There really is no hard lower limit on wages other than employees starving to death or freezing to death on their days off.
Monday, July 10, 2017 7:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: The problem between minimum wage as it is now and $15/hr is that you end up losing a lot of that extra money right out of the gates in all of the government benefits that you lose. Somebody who is single with no kids making minimum wage gets around $200/mo in food stamps as well as energy assistance, $10/mo internet, a free cell phone and essentially free healthcare. A single mother with 3 kids gets around $500-600 a month in foodstamps, free healthcare for her and the kids, the energy assistance, $10/mo internet, a free cell phone and doesn't pay any federal income tax and gets around $9000.00 from the government in EIC credits. Double the single person with no kids pay and they lose all of those benefits, which eats a huge chunk out of that extra pay. Double the single mother's pay and she loses most of the benefits, although she gets to keep the EIC, minus whatever federal taxes she now must pay because she's in the payable brackets.
Quote: If benefit limits do not go up with the minimum wage increase, you're essentially putting the welfare burden off of the State and onto the businesses. I don't mind that so much when you're talking about McDonalds or WalMart, but that's not fair to small businesses.
Monday, July 10, 2017 7:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote: Quote:and only the smartest and toughest would make it and population control would happen under natural selection. A very tough pill for a lot of people to swallow, this option, but a few generations from now would see a Human Race of the highest caliber and most driven united people ever known. There is nothing right about this, and so much wrong with this, it's hard to know where to start. What did Darwin mean by 'survival of the fittest'? He certainly didn't mean a species where every member of that species is in deadly competition with every other member of that species for individual supremacy! He was talking about survival OF A SPECIES as a whole.
Quote:and only the smartest and toughest would make it and population control would happen under natural selection. A very tough pill for a lot of people to swallow, this option, but a few generations from now would see a Human Race of the highest caliber and most driven united people ever known.
Quote: Being the 'fittest' means maximizing the survival of your offspring to the point where they have offspring of their own. That's how a species survives. Sometimes - especially for physically weak, social animals with extraordinarily dependent offspring, like us - it means cooperation and cleverness. Sometimes it means having so many offspring that nature can't eliminate them all. Sometimes it means having really good DNA repair mechanisms so that your species can survive environments other species can't. Sometimes it means being able to digest things other species can't. That whole notion that somehow the species or some portion of it will improve by eliminating its 'weakest' members means that all the children die first, then the females. And oops - there goes the species. It's just stupid.
Quote: And how does making every individual compete with every other individual select for better individuals? Isn't it likely you'll select for the most heartless, most self-protective, and conniving, rather than the smartest, most courageous, and strongest?
Quote: And it REALLY doesn't make for the most united group either, as you claim! Not when someone else can only gain at your expense - and the other way around! I truly have no idea how you've come to accept this notion. It makes no sense when you think about it.
Monday, July 10, 2017 11:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: The problem between minimum wage as it is now and $15/hr is that you end up losing a lot of that extra money right out of the gates in all of the government benefits that you lose. Somebody who is single with no kids making minimum wage gets around $200/mo in food stamps as well as energy assistance, $10/mo internet, a free cell phone and essentially free healthcare. A single mother with 3 kids gets around $500-600 a month in foodstamps, free healthcare for her and the kids, the energy assistance, $10/mo internet, a free cell phone and doesn't pay any federal income tax and gets around $9000.00 from the government in EIC credits. Double the single person with no kids pay and they lose all of those benefits, which eats a huge chunk out of that extra pay. Double the single mother's pay and she loses most of the benefits, although she gets to keep the EIC, minus whatever federal taxes she now must pay because she's in the payable brackets. You are using far too much logic and reason - you are going to lose all the Libtards who are allergic to reason or thought, and have the FACTS Vaccine.Quote: If benefit limits do not go up with the minimum wage increase, you're essentially putting the welfare burden off of the State and onto the businesses. I don't mind that so much when you're talking about McDonalds or WalMart, but that's not fair to small businesses.
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