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Dreamtrove, the Watergate proceedings were broadcast live for two weeks in May 1973. Cambodia was NOT mentioned even once, but you are using a war that did NOT end Nixon's career to drag in Obama's mission into Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan. Congressional Republicans didn't object to Obama killing Pakistanis. Republicans never care.

Dreamtrove, Watergate was not about Cambodia. It was about "illegal, improper, or unethical conduct occurring during the presidential election of 1972, including political espionage and campaign finance practices". That is pure Trump 2016 territory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Watergate_Committee

V.P. Agnew got caught cheating on his taxes and had to choose between resigning or going to jail, all over a measly $10,000 in taxes. That is pure Trump 1980 to 2016 territory. He promised to release his tax returns, but he did not.
www.vox.com/2017/3/14/14930362/what-is-trump-hiding-in-tax-returns

Nixon's Vice-President Spiro Agnew also got caught taking bribes and, again, he had to resign or go to jail over a measly $268,482 in bribes. That is pure Trump territory because he has NOT placed his businesses into a blind trust as he promised. Trump has a nice scam where he can take bribes from foreign governments. That will get him evicted from the White House, if only the Republicans in Congress would insist that either Trump follow the Constitution or else resign.
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trumps-ethics-train-wreck
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But Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan don't care to preform their job, which is policing the behavior of the President. If they won't do, it does not get done.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Nixon wasn't impeached as soon as he came into office, in fact, he was re-elected to a second term. After 6 years, they'd had enough. The kicker was anillegal war in Cambodia. I don't have an issue with Nixon's mission in Cambodia. I really completely agree with him: Khmer Rouge was much more of a threat to the locals than the VC. However, he should've sought congressional approval.

So why wasn't Obama impeached for an illegal war in Pakistan? I have an answer to that one, and it's a bad one, but probably true. It was too soon. He crossed the border into Pakistan and started an illegal war right out the starting gate. IOW, not going to happen.

Yemen isn't impeachabble because we were already in Yemen, and ditto for ISIS. If he invades Iran, or launches a full out war against Syria, without congressional approval, then you might have something.

Treason is clear. And bribery, and high crimes and misdemeanors is language copied from Wat Tyler, and refers to a blatant betrayal of public trust, such as levying taxes and then pocketing the funds instead of spending them in the budget. It was never intended to remove elected officials form office and has never been used to do so.

http://www.crf-usa.org/impeachment/high-crimes-and-misdemeanors.html


BTW, abandon the tax nonsense, it's hurting your argument. We all watched Maddow's great reveal of Trump's taxes to show that in fact, she had nothing. Actually, she showed that he paid his taxes. If he did anything creative, I doubt it's an impeach offense. I doubt any tax irregularity is, including not paying tax, like, ever.

The fact is, this push started on election day, so its credibility is zero.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Second,

And Clinton was about Monica Lewinsky. Keep telling yourself that.

It's a matter of determining the president is a traitor first. Then you get momentum for impeachment. But first you need a term of bad. Otherwise, you're just upending democracy.

WACO, Rwanda, Yugoslavia, all horrid CLinton decisions that led to impeachment. Those were the original impeachment items. Then they were replaced by Monica, which was a technicality from Linda Tripp who wasn't trying to impeach the president, she was trying to get Hillary arrested for the murder of Vince Foster.

Thing is, the deep state doesn't want to openly oppose the war, because they want to keep fighting it when someone new comes in. They don't want the public talking about it, or the public will say why fight the war at all? rather than how we should fight it.

So, it was Cambodia, and not getting out of Vietnam and to some extent the 18 voting age. They were unhappy. Watergate itself was probably a set-up.


Nick, whatever, you're a sockpuppet.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Nick,

I've already attacked Trump a view times, over Yemen, over the bombing in Syria. So have others. We're not us guys. There's no alignment of our motives, actions or views. We're just not in the hate group. It's like any other hate group. Everyone not in it might look like a conspiracy, but really we're "everyone else." 6, River, Sig, JSF, they aren't at all of the same perspective.

As for Clinton, she's not gone, and her impact on the US won't be gone for a long time. Obama supporters talked about Bush for the whole 8 years Obama was in office. It's not going to go away. It seems very much that HRC is still commanding ISIS. That said, there's been a slow shift of attacks away from her and onto John McCain.

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Nick,

1) I'm so not 1kiki.

2) Sockpuppet was fun, but never posted anything political. Actually, as I said, I prefered being sockpuppet to being dreamtrove. Notice I didn't at all balk at being called out. It's happened several times, and I posted the username and password ages ago to the board.

3) You created THGRRI to dodge the reaction that you were going to create, which means on some level you knew you intended to troll. You don't think of it that way, you think Sig and 1kiki are trolls and you're the good guy. Yet you prepared yourself to troll. Your subconscious knew it.

4) Why dodge the sockpuppet thing? The underlying user is more popular than the sockpuppet. If you're not him, would anyone take you seriously?

5) You want to know my core political position? Here it is:

I don't support Russia, I oppose the globalists. I oppose the commies, (formerly soviet) the nazis, international socialists, and their one worlder neocon elites. Why? I blame them for WWI, WWII, the Cold War and this mess in the Middle East. I think if they were gone, we could go back to the productive commerce that we had without them.

Additionally, I don't like a lot of globalist organizations like the IMF, World Bank and WTO. I blame them for the messes in Haiti, Brazil and much of Africa.

I agree with Putin when he's in line with that. Do I disagree with him? Sure, I think a lot of his domestic policy is whacked.

Trump? He's anti-globalist. That's good. He's no Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders. He could, as Sig says, bow to the neocons deep state, and that means become a globalist. A lot of Trump's ideas are also whacked.

Don't deflect your weakpoints onto others (spelling, sources, facts, trolling) It fools no one and makes you look terrible.

I don't get the Clinton DASH reference. Whats the story. (Yeah, actually willing to listen to what you have to say)

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it is you who projects your weaknesses onto others.

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I intend to keep troll

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How moronic is it that you imply I should absorb someone else's identity

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I quote you " Why dodge the sockpuppet thing?"

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Meanwhile, through you delusion you assign me credibility because you believe me to be Nick.

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"Yet you prepared yourself to troll. Your subconscious knew it."

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Don't look now dreatrove/sockpuppet/1kiki

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G was right, you are entertaining.

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You've become a tiresome troll.

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I intend to keep pointing that out

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Fixed that for ya.

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How moronic is it that you imply I should absorb someone else's identity

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Why on earth do you pretend to be not Nick then?

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I quote you " Why dodge the sockpuppet thing?"

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I didn't, now, did I?

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Meanwhile, through your delusion you assign me credibility because you believe me to be Nick. lol and you do 1kiki/sockpuppet/dreamtrove/troll

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Lol, Nick.

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Don't look now dreatrove/sockpuppet/1kiki

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Lol. You're a dick. I'm not 1kiki. If you said Sig was 1kiki I couldn't disprove it.

I think if I were 1kiki, I would have already known who you were, isn't that logical? No way would the me that is hypothetically 1kiki have had the patience (no offense 1kiki) to hold out knowing who you were through all of that trolling. One of many points on which I'm not 1kiki. you actually don't have any logical basis to deduce that I am 1kiki, other than some of my political points of view are not that different than 1kiki. And most of the population. That's pretty weak.

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G was right, you are entertaining.

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You mean not be Nick instead of be not Nick don't ya.

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I don't mean to spoil the fun...

Obviously I know you are Nick. I'm looking at the proof on my screen. That said, I also see lots of entertaining wrong turns.

1) Do you know I've been accused before of being 1kiki's sockpuppet?
Curious, since not only am I an older account than 1kiki, even my sockpuppet, Sockpuppet, is an older account than 1kiki. And there are many years difference there.

2) In your early days, you and I got along well enough that you were accused of being my sockpuppet. Frem and Kwicko were sure of it. I wonder what they'd say about this. That we had completely lost our mind, you and I?

Anyway, no, I meant "be not Nick"

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Originally posted by second:

Ah, the Good Old Days. I doubt that 50,000 number. 2,500 is more like it. Artist M Phillips was only getting around 2,500 views for his Firefly portraits in 2005, for example. Some M Phillips portraits got 3,500 in 2013, but mostly because they would stay on the front page for a month, since no one else was making art. A Christmas 2014 card got 11,762 views because it stayed on the front page into the Summer of 2015.

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The Coming Incompetence Crisis

by David Brooks APRIL 7, 2017

www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/opinion/the-coming-incompetence-crisis.html

I just read that the Trump administration has filled only 22 of the 553 key positions that require Senate confirmation. This makes me worry that the administration will not have enough manpower to produce the same volume and standard of incompetence that we’ve come to expect so far.

We’re living in a golden age of malfunction. Every major Trump initiative has been blocked or has collapsed, relationships with Congress are disastrous, the president’s approval ratings are at cataclysmic lows.

But can this last?

Granted, in its first few months the administration has produced an impressive amount of ineptitude with very few people. Sean Spicer can produce more errors than 10 normal men on their best days. In general, the personnel process has been so rigorous in its selection of inexperience that those who were hired on the basis of mere nepotism look like Dean Acheson by comparison.

Now I’m not underestimating the president’s own capacity for carrying on in an incompetent manner almost indefinitely. I don’t think we’ve reached peak Trump.

The normal incompetent person flails and stammers and is embarrassed about it. But the true genius at incompetence like our president flails and founders and is too incompetent to recognize his own incompetence. He mistakes his catastrophes for successes and so accelerates his pace toward oblivion. Those who ignore history are condemned to retweet it.

Up until this period I had always thought of ignorance as a void, as an absence of knowledge. But Trump’s ignorance is not just an absence; it is a rich, intricate and entirely separate universe of negative information.

It’s not so much that he isn’t well informed; it’s that he is prodigiously learned in the sort of knowledge that doesn’t accord with the facts of our current dimension.

It is in its own way a privilege to be alive at the same time as a man who is the Albert Einstein of confirmation bias, a man whose most impressive wall is the one between himself and evidence.

I hope the president continues to play golf (I don’t get those progressive critics who say Trump is ruining the world and then they complain because he takes time off).

One of the things I’ve learned about incompetence over the past few months is that it is radically nonlinear. Competent people go in one of a few directions. But incompetence is infinite.

The human imagination is not capacious enough to comprehend all the many ways the Trumpians can find to screw up. The Trump team continues to negatively surpass all expectations. I remain a full-fledged member in the community of the agog.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly]

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On Mexican border wall, I favor the micronation like Transnistra.

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I see that Transnistria is 1,607 square miles between the River Dniester and the border with Ukraine. If Trump picked that solution, the TransRio between the Rio Grande River and the new, straighter border of Texas/Mexico, Trump would have a power struggle with the Republicans controlling Texas. They won’t give up the land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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