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Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:43 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


From here
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60997

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TPP already dead.
We likely avoided Nuclear War with Russia, at least for 7 weeks. = SIX


Yes, I read about the TPP!

Ding dong,
The witch is dead!


At least one of them, anyway. When the TTIP keels over will be another cause for celebration.

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Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:55 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I agree you should and could.

It breaks my heart that everyone here hates you.

WTF happened while I was gone? What did you do?

All you have to do for the next 7 weeks is let the moderates here eat themselves alive and just report on that and show them how crazy the Insane Regressionest Left actually Is without even speaking Sigs.



One of the best PS1 Games when I was a kid was "Loaded" and the band doing the theme song was called "PopWillEatItself".

Around the same time, aerosmith made "Eat The Rich", well before GWB and our time here.

I implore you to stop coming from a place of hatered.



7 weeks before he is actually President, and the TPP is dead.





Even if THEY don't realize it, that's a HUGE win for US.






"Madame President" said it was the "Gold Standard" in international trade.



Berry was trying to pass it while we were all looking at the election.

Berry sold the Internet to the UN while nobody was watching.

Hopefully Trump can get that back.

Don't be crazy Sigs.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hard to admit that I didn't love this song....

U gotta LOVE IT, Sigs...




Currently I only have one speaker in my cancelling headphones, but I'm showing this song to you and listening to it now and missing 50% of it.




It's fucking surreal.....

I havent heard this awesome song in like 15 years, but I KNOW the OTHER SIDE that i'm not hearing now with just one speaker in my left ear.



Honestly, teh only thing I was looking for here was Boogie Man....\\\

IMO, the best song Aerosmith ever made.





I've been a long believer that anyone working on the "Souls" games should collaborate with the creator of Bogey Man.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:03 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Cherish The Life....



No reason not to , no m atter how wacoko






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Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


do not obey me

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:38 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The United States has consistently protected al Qaida in Syria (Saudi Arabia's pet project) by refusing to attack al Qaida's positions and by conflating al Qaida with the so-called "Free Syrian Army", which seems to be a mostly-hypothetical "moderate rebel" fighting force acting to shield the extremist forces from view.

It looks as if those al Qaida forces have finally been allowed to come into view, as American forces attacked them just after the election.

SOUTHFRONT
Quote:

Pentagon Activates Its Fight Against Al-Nusra Front in Syria after Trump’s Victory?

The Pentagon has received an order of US President Barack Obama to deploy more unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in Syria in order to detect locations of terrorists of the Jabhat Fatah al-Sham (previously known as the Al-Nusra Front) group, The Washington Post newspaper reported on Thursday, citing unnamed US military officials.

The newspaper noted that the US Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) will have more resources and more authority to track leadership of the Jabhat Fatah al-Sham.

According to sources of The Washington Post, JSOC-controlled UAVs were already conducting more operations in September and have already allowed to kill at least four ‘high-value’ targets.

This move seems a bit strange in the light of a recent statement of spokesman for the US Department of State John Kirby, who said that the Jabhat Fateh al-Sham is not the main aim of the US-led coalition in Syria, where it fights only against the Islamic State (IS) terrorist group.

So, it looks like the Pentagon has ‘sensed something’ – Donald Trump has just won presidential elections in the US, and the country’s department of defense has immediately activated its actions against Al-Nusra terrorists in Syria.


https://southfront.org/pentagon-activates-its-fight-against-al-nusra-f
ront-in-syria-after-trumps-victory
/

WASHINGTON POST
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Obama directs Pentagon to target al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria, one of the most formidable forces fighting Assad

President Obama has ordered the Pentagon to find and kill the leaders of an al-Qaeda-linked group in Syria that the administration had largely ignored until now and that has been at the vanguard of the fight against the Syrian government, U.S. officials said.

The decision to deploy more drones and intelligence assets against the militant group formerly known as Jabhat al-Nusra reflects Obama’s concern that it is turning parts of Syria into a new base of operations for al-Qaeda on Europe’s southern doorstep, the officials said.

The move underlines the extent to which Obama has come to prioritize the counter­terrorism mission in Syria over efforts to pressure President Bashar al-Assad to step aside, as al-Nusra is among the most effective forces­­ battling the Syrian government.

[Amid a world of problems, Trump’s policy prescriptions remain opaque]

That shift is likely to accelerate once President-elect Donald Trump takes office. Trump has said he will be even more aggressive in going after militants than Obama, a stance that could lead to the expansion of the campaign against al-Nusra, possibly in direct cooperation with Moscow. The group now calls itself Jabhat Fatah al-Sham — or Front for the Conquest of Syria — and says it has broken with al-Qaeda, an assertion discounted by U.S. officials.
President Obama arrives at the 71st annual U.N. General Assembly in New York, on Sept. 20, 2016. (Peter Foley/Via Bloomberg)

The United States has conducted sporadic strikes in the past against veteran al-Qaeda members who migrated to northwestern Syria from Afghanistan and Pakistan to join al-Nusra and whom U.S. officials suspected of plotting against the United States and its allies.

Obama’s new order gives the U.S. military’s Joint Special ­Operations Command, or JSOC, wider authority and additional intelligence-collection re­sources to go after al-Nusra’s broader leadership, not just al-Qaeda veterans or those directly involved in external plotting.

The White House and State Department led the charge within the Obama administration for prioritizing action against the group. Pentagon leaders were reluctant at first to pull resources away from the fight against the Islamic State.

But aides say Obama grew frustrated that more wasn’t being done by the Pentagon and the intelligence community to kill al-Nusra leaders given the warnings he had received from top counter­terrorism officials about the gathering threat they posed.

In the president’s Daily Brief, the most highly classified intelligence report produced by U.S. spy agencies, Obama was repeatedly told over the summer that the group was allowing al-Qaeda leaders in Pakistan and Afghanistan to create in northwest Syria the largest haven for the network since it was scattered after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Officials also warned Obama that al-Nusra could try to fill the void as its rival, the Islamic State, lost ground.

Lisa Monaco, Obama’s White House homeland security and counter­terrorism adviser, said Obama’s decision “prioritized our fight against al-Qaeda in Syria, including through targeting their leaders and operatives, some of whom are legacy al-Qaeda members.”

“We have made clear to all parties in Syria that we will not allow al-Qaeda to grow its capacity to attack the U.S., our allies, and our interests,” she said in a statement. “We will continue to take action to deny these terrorists any safe haven in Syria.”
In this 2013 photo, which has been authenticated based on its contents and other AP reporting, rebels from al-Qaida affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra sit on a truck full of ammunition at Taftanaz air base, that was captured by the rebels, in Idlib province, northern Syria. (Edlib News Network/AP)

To support the expanded push against al-Nusra, the White House pressed the Pentagon to deploy additional armed drones and intelligence-collection assets in the airspace over northwestern Syria, an area that had been sparsely covered by the United States until now because of its proximity to advanced Russian air-defense systems and aircraft.

[Who will Trump be as commander in chief?]

A bitterly divided Obama administration had tried over the summer to cut a deal with Moscow on a joint U.S.-Russian air campaign against al-Nusra, in exchange for a Russian commitment to ground Syrian government warplanes and to allow more humanitarian supplies into besieged areas. But the negotiations broke down in acrimony, with Moscow accusing the United States of failing to separate al-Nusra from more moderate rebel groups and Washington accusing the Russians of war crimes in Aleppo.

Armed drones controlled by JSOC stepped up operations in September, according to military officials.

Drone strikes by the U.S. military under the program began in October and have so far killed at least four high-value targets, including al-Nusra’s senior external planner. The Pentagon has disclosed two of the strikes so far. One of the most significant strikes — targeting a gathering of al-Nusra leaders on Nov. 2 — has yet to be disclosed, officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss operations.

So far, Russian air-defense systems and aircraft haven’t interfered with stepped-up U.S. operations against al-Nusra. Officials attributed Moscow’s acquiescence to the limited number of U.S. aircraft involved in the missions and to Russia’s interest in letting Washington combat one of the Assad regime’s most potent enemies within the insurgency. U.S. officials said they provided notifications to the Russians before the al-Nusra strikes to avoid misunderstandings.

Officials said the expanded al-Nusra campaign was similar to those that Obama has directed against al-Qaeda affiliates in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

While al-Qaeda’s central leadership in Pakistan has been decimated, the United States now faces more threats involving more extremists from more places than at any time since 9/11, Nicholas J. Rasmussen, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, told a Senate committee in September.

The push into the province of Idlib and other parts of northwestern Syria coincides with ­Pentagon-backed offensives in and around Islamic State strongholds in eastern Syria and in Iraq, which have attracted the majority of U.S. military resources and public attention.

White House officials had considered launching a more systematic campaign to destroy al-Nusra from top to bottom, much like the Pentagon’s approach to the Islamic State. But that option was rejected as too resource-intensive. Many of al-Nusra’s fighters are Syrians who joined the group because of its ample supply of weapons and cash, and its commitment to defeating Assad, not to plot against the West.

Officials said the strikes on leadership targets were meant to send a message to more-moderate rebel units, including those backed by the CIA, to distance themselves from the al-Qaeda affiliate. At critical moments during the five-year-old civil war, moderate rebel units have fought alongside al-Nusra in ground operations against Assad’s forces. In fact, U.S. officials credit those rebel campaigns in the spring of 2015 with putting so much pressure on the Syrian government that Russia and Iran decided to double down militarily in support of Assad.

U.S. officials who opposed the decision to go after al-Nusra’s wider leadership warned that the United States would effectively be doing the Assad government's bidding by weakening a group on the front line of the counter-
Assad fight. The strikes, these officials warned, could backfire on the United States by bolstering the group’s standing, helping it attract more recruits and resources.

Officials who supported the shift said the Obama administration could no longer tolerate what one of them described as “a deal with the devil,” whereby the United States largely held its fire against al-Nusra because the group was popular with Syrians in rebel-controlled areas and furthered the U.S. goal of putting military pressure on Assad. Russia had accused the United States of sheltering al-Nusra, a charge repeated Thursday in Moscow by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

“The president doesn’t want this group to be what inherits the country if Assad ever does fall,” a senior U.S. official said. “This cannot be the viable Syrian opposition. It’s al-Qaeda.”

Officials said the administration’s hope is that more-moderate rebel factions will be able to gain ground as both the Islamic State and al-Nusra come under increased military pressure.

A growing number of White House and State Department officials, however, have privately voiced doubts about the wisdom of applying U.S. military power, even covertly, to pressure Assad to step aside, particularly since Russia’s military intervention in Syria last year.

U.S. intelligence officials say they aren’t sure what Trump’s approach to U.S.-backed rebel units will be once he gets briefed on the extent of the covert CIA program. Trump has voiced strong skepticism about arming Syrian rebels in the past, suggesting that U.S. intelligence agencies don’t have enough knowledge about rebel intentions to pick reliable allies.

[Intelligence community is already feeling a sense of dread about Trump]

Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and other Pentagon leaders initially resisted the idea of devoting more Pentagon surveillance aircraft and armed drones against al-Nusra. In White House Situation Room meetings, Carter and other top Pentagon officials argued that the military’s resources were needed to combat the Islamic State and that it would be difficult to operate in the airspace given Russia’s military presence, officials said.

While Obama, White House national security adviser Susan E. Rice, Secretary of State John F. Kerry and special presidential envoy Brett McGurk agreed with Carter on the need to keep the focus on the Islamic State, they favored shifting resources to try to prevent al-Nusra from becoming a bigger threat down the road.

A senior defense official said additional drone assets were assigned to the JSOC mission. Carter also made clear that the Pentagon’s goal would be to hit al-Nusra leadership targets, not take strikes to try to separate the moderate rebels from al-Nusra, officials said.

“If we wake up in five years from now, and Islamic State is dead but al-Qaeda in Syria has the equivalent of [the tribal areas of Pakistan] in northwest Syria, then we’ve got a problem,” a second senior U.S. official said.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-directs-p
entagon-to-target-al-qaeda-affiliate-in-syria-one-of-the-most-formidable-forces-fighting-assad/2016/11/10/cf69839a-a51b-11e6-8042-f4d111c862d1_story.html




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Saturday, November 12, 2016 2:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It's sick what Obama is doing and what Hillary would have done.

It's sick what Obama will do in the next 7 weeks.




Is Trump the answer?

TPP failed only 2 days after he was in office, even though Japan signed on.


The Good News is that EVERYTHING that OBAMA and GWB passed by Executive Order can be ripped up and forgotten.

Neiher of them passed anything with Congress outside of the ACA and the Patriot Act.




Will Trump rip it all up, or will he be seduced by the unbridled Power of the Throne?

I don't believe he will, but let's be his biggest critics.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, November 13, 2016 5:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THIS IS WHERE WE WERE ON NOV 7

U.S. Foreign Policy 'Elites' Eagerly Await Expansion Of Overseas Wars Under Hillary Clinton
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-20/us-foreign-policy-elites-eage
rly-await-expansion-overseas-wars-under-hillary-clinton


NATO Places 300,000 Troops On "High Alert" In Readiness For Confrontation With Russia
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-07/nato-places-300000-troops-hig
h-alert-readiness-confrontation-russia


Whatever progress is made towards detente with Russia will be made from that point.



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Monday, November 14, 2016 3:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Putin And Trump Hold Phone Conversation, Agree To Normalize Relations

Moments ago the Kremlin released a statement in which the Russian presidency reported that Putin and Trump held a conversation, in which the Russian leader congratulated his American counterpart again on his victory in the presidential election, wished him "success in the implementation of the pre-election program, and noted his willingness to build a partnership dialogue with the new administration on the principles of equality, mutual respect and non-interference in the internal affairs of each other."

During the conversation, Putin and Trump "not only agreed to assess the current unsatisfactory state of bilateral relations, but also spoke in favor of active joint work to normalize relations and aim for constructive cooperation on a wide range of issues. The call emphasized in particular the importance of creating a solid foundation of bilateral ties through the development of trade and economic relations.

In the call, it was also noted that that "next year marks 210 years since the establishment of diplomatic relations between Russia and the United States, which in itself should stimulate a return to pragmatic, mutually beneficial cooperation, which would meet the interests of both countries, stability and security throughout the world."



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-14/putin-calls-trump-discuss-ren
ormalization-us-russian-relations


Now, I know for a fact that some of RWE posters will feel that this is in Russia's interests, but my POV is that this is also in Americans' interests. I believe that is why some posters have avoided answering the question WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? for more than a month .... because, if they HAD to answer the question, they would come to realize that WWIII is in nobody's interests. Also, from a realistic American-centric POV, this once again attempts to split Russia and China. It separates military considerations (Russia) from economic/trade considerations (China), bringing different pressure-points on each nation.






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Monday, November 14, 2016 10:11 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by G:

Aricept - ask your Dr.

+100

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Monday, November 14, 2016 10:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
I said looooong ago that your's and KIKI's squawking and whining about Hillary starting WWIII was obvious bullish*t because that doesn't benefit anyone.


Thank god now we'll never have a chance to test it out and know for sure.

And THANKS! for ONCE AGAIN misstating my argument. I have ALWAYS contended that hitlery would stumble us into WWIII because her hubris wouldn't allow her to consider that, just maybe, Russia might respond to provocation in a way she didn't anticipate. And you won't find a single statement otherwise.



So, what IS it with all of you? Are you pathological liars, or do you have cerebral congenital syphilis?




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, November 14, 2016 11:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Because nothing says 'troll' quite like trolling.
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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:

Aricept - ask your Dr.

+100


Oh, and second-rate: How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:15 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Something to judge Trump by
Quote:

President-elect Donald Trump has said his first 100 days will be dedicated to restoring “honesty, accountability and change to Washington” through the following seven steps:

1) A Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress

2) A hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health)

3) A requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated

4) A five year ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service

5) A lifetime ban on the White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government

6) A complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections

7) Cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-14/soros-and-liberal-mega-donors
-plot-war-donald-trump



ALSO:

8) Back out of trade deals.

9) Do something effective about illegal immigration and illegal immigrants.

10) Normalize relations with Russia (and combine to fight ISIL)






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Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:48 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by G:
Which reminds me: if Soros is such a powerful, evil b*stard billionaire satan, how come his candidate lost? He's not all that?



Satan doesn't always win G. Wouldn't that be a bit pessimistic if we were to believe that He or She did?

I actually do believe there was a lot of voter fraud committed in certain states, but this is why I said in my new thread that I want an investigation done by 3 parties and with complete transparancy (aside from an actual list of names and ss#). With computers it could be done without infringing upon our right to vote without our votes being made public.

Remove all dead people from the voter registration lists as well as anyone who moved (if they re-registered somewhere after they moved, they will be counted there if they voted). Then purge any votes that were made by dead people and people who moved as well as any non-citizens who possibly managed to vote and viola! You get as close to legitimate vote as possible while not "outing" anyone publicly for their vote.



I have to admit truthfully, that I cannot say for sure he is funding the protests in the big cities. I've seen quite a few videos with supposed evidence, but by the time I looked on Craigslist I could not find any results for being paid to protest.

Things are so f-d up right now though that I don't know whether to believe it was Trump supporters making those images up and spreading lies, or if it was Hillary Supporters doing that and sitting back while Trump supporters took the bait and ran with it.

You have to admit that there's a 50/50 chance that either is true.


Consider the recent story about Google showing a false result showing Trump won the Popular vote as the top search result the last few days. Who originated that false information? Nowhere ever did any of the National Results show that, yet somebody found some false information and put it out there and I've seen a lot of youtube videos and a few articles saying that he was the winner of the Popular Vote.

My question is why would a Trump Supporter put that information out there originally when it's so obviously untrue? To me, it seems like a Hillary Supporter putting that false information out there would have a lot more to gain by doing so, since the only 100% obvious result is that anybody who jumped on that story and proliferated it just destroy's their credibility by doing so.



Consider also, everyone in the MSM (even on Fox News) also told you that Hillary was going to win when, at least by Electoral College (the system we've used for hundreds of years) she was blown out of the water.


At this point, it's all Psy-Ops.

"They", on both sides, know that we're a lot more informed than we ever were (not necessarily any more intelligent). As much as a Weapon the internet has become for the downtrodden and disenfranchised, it's also proned to misfire and shoot us in the face if we aren't careful.

The more the Elite jump on board, the more vigilant we have to be when using it. They are far better at this game than any of us rubes are. They've been playing it for keeps for centuries now.


I don't think they ever will take away the internet or even Wikileaks from us in the future. It's obvious that the Damning Evidence that Wikileaks provided did not matter overall since Hillary still won the Popular vote and over 61 Million people in this country voted for her. Why risk an uprising from the other side by censoring the internet?

Think back to around 10-12 years ago when Wikileaks was making a bitch out of GWB.


I want to believe that Trump is the Independent that is going to fix things, but who knows? Maybe Soros is behind Wikileaks itself and Trump winning the election was his plan all along?

Maybe Soros is just some figurehead for people behind him that remain completely faceless and nameless?



At this point, G, I really don't know what to believe. And I really don't care to travel down those particular rabbit holes.


For now I will celebrate what I think is a victory and hope for the future of our Nation and basically wait and see. There is no hope for anybody crying in their Play-Doh at college or burning shit on the streets today that the Electoral College would have enough "Faithless Electors" to put Hillary in office. It's done. Trump will be President.

I just hope that he actually DID strike a blow against Globalism.



First Brexit, then Trump, and now it seems that a lot of other countries are on a course to leave the EU. In my mind, this is a great thing. But maybe "Satan" does win in the end and is such a good chess player that this is all being allowed to happen so it blows up in everybodies faces and we're all begging for a Global Dictatorship when things completely fall to shit?



I, for one, have a little more hope than that.


Please G. Let's wait it out and see what happens. Don't believe anything anybody tells you at this point.

Stay in touch with the news and keep track of things, but until something actually happens, we can't do anything about anything at this point. I don't think we'll know until about mid March of 2017 what, if anything, is actually going to change.


I do hope that we both are happy though ;)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:01 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Oh, and second-rate: How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

I just checked. To my absolute amazement Hillary won by a half million votes, but the Republican Party stole the electoral college. How could that possibly happen? For example: Hillary received 48% of Florida's vote, Trump 49% and yet the Republican secretary of state gave Trump 100%. Does that seem right to you?
www.nytimes.com/elections/results/florida

1kiki will fire back, as many times before without having ever understood and never willing to try, that this is how a democracy works. And I will reply that Alexander Hamilton and James Madison forcefully spoke out against how the states violate the purpose of the college by coercing their delegates to the electoral college. Were Hamilton not killed in a duel, he'd challenge the Florida secretary of state to . . . a duel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)#Evolut
ion_to_the_general_ticket


I could ask 1kiki to explain why Americans rejected the Democratic Party many, many, many times before and voted twice for Nixon and twice for Bush, two very infamous Presidents. Didn't Americans learn anything the first four years? Yes, they did!

The short answer is that Americans very much learned to love Nixon and Bush for what I see are fundamental flaws that are part of the DNA of the GOP and the DNA of a majority of American voters. Something that will always and forever escape 1kiki’s understanding is that voters are not the same as eligible voters.

There happens to be about a hundred million eligible voters who did not vote. I don't know what is in their DNA except for obliviousness and pathological political apathy. We could find out if the non-voters's DNA is GOP, but only if the GOP allowed mandatory voting. I know the GOP does not want to know the answer, but 1kiki probably wants to know the answer even less than the GOP does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_voting


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I could ask 1kiki to explain why Americans rejected the Democratic Party many, many, many times before and voted twice for Nixon and twice for Bush, two very infamous Presidents. Didn't Americans learn anything the first four years? Yes, they did!

The short answer is that Americans very much learned to love Nixon and Bush for what I see are fundamental flaws that are part of the DNA of the GOP and the DNA of a majority of American voters. Something that will always and forever escape 1kiki’s understanding is that voters are not the same as eligible voters.

There happens to be about a hundred million eligible voters who did not vote. I don't know what is in their DNA except for obliviousness and pathological political apathy. We could find out if the non-voters's DNA is GOP, but only if the GOP allowed mandatory voting. I know the GOP does not want to know the answer, but 1kiki probably wants to know the answer even less than the GOP does.



Who loves Nixon or Bush (either Bush)?

Are you REALLY happy with where we're at right now? The last 8 years? They are really just an extention of the previous 8 years that I'm sure you weren't happy with.

Two of the worst Presidents we may have ever had.

Two Presidents who in only 8 years raised the National Debt nearly double of all of the Presidents before them.

Two Presidents who got us into unconstitutional wars in the Middle East without Congressional Approval.

Two Presidents who combined have ushered in such a decline for the Working Man of all colors that more than half of us are in Poverty.

As bad as it was for African Americans under GWB, the amount of Blacks on Food Stamps has doubled under Obama.

Home Ownership for Millenials is almost non existant.

The average American Debt is at record levels.




What does the amount of people who vote matter, Second?

I think Mandatory voting would be a nightmare.

Of 120 million Americans who actually did vote this time around, we're lucky if 20 million of them were actually Knowledgeable and Unbiased enough to actually deserve a vote.

120 Million voters, and at least 100 Million Useful Idiots for either side.





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Tuesday, November 15, 2016 8:01 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


BTW... I'll believe it when I see it, but I've heard that Donald Trump has said that he will reject the $400k/yr salary of The American President and will instead only accept $1/yr for the job.


That hardly means anything if he simply uses his new platform to rape Forest Preserves nationwide and build 1,000 more golf courses with the Trump Logo, but at least for now that makes me happy as f--k.




While my Mom and Step-Dad struggle everyday with their business that never recovered since the 2007 downturn, they still go to Knights of Columbus get togethers with the much more well-to-do people in the town their business is located in.

I've gone to some of them. The pasta dinners and taco nights and such. Fundraisers. And my Mom and Stepdad are almost pathetic in how they cowtow to these rich fuckers. They, along with what I can only suspect are the other "needy" ones in the group slave away at the stoves, and when everything is over they slave away and clean up after everybody in the kitchen for an hour or two after the rich fucks leave.




Knowing that I pay almost 9% of my income to SSI and Medicade, it disgusts me when I hear some of them talk about how they went to the "Boat" last weekend and spent their SSI checks on slots, whether they win or lose.

They do the EXACT same thing that poor Black people with gambling problems do with their government money, except they got 7-Figures left in their retirement plans they don't even have to dip into!

These old, Rich Fuckers that were paying a fraction of what you and I pay today, having already bled the system for 20 years for "fun money" and will probably live another 20-30 years on it with modern medicine?.....





The next thing Trump should do that nobody is talking about?

Shut SSI payments down for rich old fucks that would not be hurt in the least if they didn't get anymore SSI benefits. While they're at it, make these rich old fucks pay the hiked Obamacare premiums instead of letting them get free Medicare on our backs.

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Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:18 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Meta-comment for 6ixstringjack: Don't post too often and don't post too many words because we are too lazy to read and watch.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Who loves Nixon or Bush (either Bush)?

The USA loved them until after their second elections. Then the average voter finally figured out that they had been cheated, manipulated, and lied to by both these suckers.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Are you REALLY happy with where we're at right now? The last 8 years? They are really just an extension of the previous 8 years that I'm sure you weren't happy with.

Two of the worst Presidents we may have ever had.

Two Presidents who in only 8 years raised the National Debt nearly double of all of the Presidents before them.

Two Presidents who got us into unconstitutional wars in the Middle East without Congressional Approval.

Two Presidents who combined have ushered in such a decline for the Working Man of all colors that more than half of us are in Poverty.

As bad as it was for African Americans under GWB, the amount of Blacks on Food Stamps has doubled under Obama.

Home Ownership for Millenials is almost non existant.

The average American Debt is at record levels.

I say BULLSHIT on your claim the USA had 8 years of one party and 8 years of the other. The USA had 16 years of Republicans in full control or partial control by obstructing Democrats. And the USA is about to start 4 more years, this time with complete Republican control during at least the first two years.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

What does the amount of people who vote matter, Second?

I think Mandatory voting would be a nightmare.

Of 120 million Americans who actually did vote this time around, we're lucky if 20 million of them were actually Knowledgeable and Unbiased enough to actually deserve a vote.

120 Million voters, and at least 100 Million Useful Idiots for either side.

Your “deserve a vote” line is another load of BULLSHIT, 6ixstringjack. What next? Bring back literacy tests? Let’s carry your idea of "knowledgeable and unbiased" voter to where it originated:

The USA could go back to the good old days of Jefferson and Washington, when the country was truly great, and have only White men voting. If you were an employee who owned no property you could not vote. You had to be an old, rich, white man. No exceptions to that rule. If you are not all four, your ballot was torn to pieces and your opinion was pissed upon by your betters. I am not fine with that idea, but that feels like the world we are still living in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonian_democracy#The_philosophy

6ixstringjack, you have far too much contempt toward the people who don't vote. You are pissing on them. Are nonvoters really worthless? Men did not allow women to vote because they weren't smart and rich. 6ixstringjack is making an argument exactly the same as the men who were against women voting. Same argument was made against black men voting, too. Women and blacks were not smart enough, rich enough, white enough to vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage#United_States

I voted for Hillary. My Republican neighbors in Baytown Texas voted for Trump. They truly love what Trump is selling, just exactly the same kind of passionate, almost sexual (go with it for two seconds) love, for the same reasons, as for Bush and Nixon. But love faded over the years. Texans kicked Bush and Nixon out of the marriage bed when those two got ugly and old. But they were always ugly underneath their makeup. They covered their hideousness with lies. (my two seconds have passed)

The point I was making is that the average voter in Texas likes what the GOP is selling. (Hell, the average voter everywhere except the West Coast under special circumstances likes what the GOP is selling. The non-voters do NOT like the GOP. Non-voters don't care enough to let the GOP know that.) That's why voting Texans voted for Nixon a second time. He was a monster in his first term, but he was making the very best promises, most of them fake. He was smart enough not to tell you he was faking. Same story for Bush. Same story about to begin for Trump.

At the end of Bush's second term, he could not have been elected dogcatcher because enough Texans had finally understood that what he promises is not what he does. Promises are made only to be elected, but most voting Texans are very gullible. Cynical Texans, the people who are not gullible and are difficult to hypnotize with promises, they don’t vote. There will be a big drop in Trump's popularity when he is partially understood to have always been making & faking his promises. He does NOT want you to understand which of his promises were always fake.

Don't you see where I am going with this? The average voter likes the Republican party. The only reason why a Democrat ever wins elections anywhere in the USA is that sometimes people who don't normally vote, do vote. It is always a miracle when a Democrat wins any office, except on the West Coast. I have an idea how to get more Democrats elected! Get people who don't vote . . . to vote! Non-average voters who could never feel passionate love for a Nixon, a Bush or Trump, who is the next disaster headed our way.

Getting the non-average voter to the polls works in Australia, and the non-average voters aren’t any dumber down under than the USA. Their country is functioning nicely. Australia enforces voting, much the same as enforcing driving on the left side of the road. Maybe Australia should let people decide which side they want to drive on? No. And they don’t let you decide whether to vote or not, either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_voting#Enforced

Or we could go back to the perfect system that was used by George Washington and Thomas Jefferson: let the richest people decide everything for everybody. Only the top 1% are allowed to vote. Make America Great Again.

P.S. Obama says Maybe it's time for mandatory voting
Video is at www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/politics/obama-mandatory-voting/

“In the last election (2014), a little over one-third of eligible voters voted. One-third! Two-thirds of the people who have the right to vote — because of the struggles of previous generation, had the right to vote — stayed home. I’m willing to bet that there are young people who have family members who are at risk of the existing immigration system who still didn’t vote.”

Voter turnout hit a 72-year low in 2014, with just 36.4 percent of eligible voters heading to the polls for the midterm elections — the lowest in any election cycle since World War II. While turnout is historically better in presidential years, 2014 participation was down 40.9 percent from the last midterm cycle in 2010.

It was also a landmark year for Republican victories: In addition to winning the Senate and increasing its majority in the House, the GOP also made major gains in state legislatures across the country.

“Why are you staying at home?” Obama said. “Why are you not participating? There are war-torn countries, people full of poverty, who still voted 60, 70 percent. If here in the United States of America, we voted at 60 percent, 70 percent, it would transform our politics. Our Congress would be completely different.”

www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/obama-voter-turnout-immigration_n_67
56606.html


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Wednesday, November 16, 2016 4:01 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by second:
I just checked. To my absolute amazement Hillary won by a half million votes, but the Republican Party stole the electoral college.

Out of roughly 232 million votes hitlery got half a million more, http://www.electproject.org/2016g - or less than one quarter of one percent. But then it would take only half of those voters voting for Trump to tie. So hitlery won by a tenth of one percent ... not exactly a sweeping success. And, also ... blah blah blah blah ... I take it you don't believe in OUR democracy when it doesn't go your way.
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1kiki will fire back, as many times before ...
I'm sure you can find many quotes then! Ready? Start looking!
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... without having ever understood and never willing to try ...
And you know my entire life history, what I've tried to do and what I've done? What I've thought in the past and what I'm thinking now? How you can put something out there so beyond possibility and not consider how stupid (or dishonest) it looks is beyond me. The only phrase that comes to mind is 'Have you no shame?" Because, it looks like, apparently not.
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... that this is how a democracy works.
But then, we don't live in 'a' democracy, we live in THIS democracy, with its rules written up a long time ago.
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And I will reply that Alexander Hamilton and James Madison forcefully spoke out against how the states violate the purpose of the college by coercing their delegates to the electoral college. Were Hamilton not killed in a duel, he'd challenge the Florida secretary of state to . . . a duel.
I've made many criticisms of how OUR democracy was constructed, the biggest that it's not a parliamentary system. A reasonable parliamentary system would have avoided many problems, one of them being the separate non-election of a president by the voters. (Voters have never directly voted for president. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constit
ution#Clause_3:_Electors
)
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I could ask 1kiki to explain why Americans rejected the Democratic Party many, many, many times before and voted twice for Nixon and twice for Bush, two very infamous Presidents. Didn't Americans learn anything the first four years? Yes, they did!

How far back in time are you going to tabulate your 'many, many, many times'? And are you counting the 'many, many, many times' voters rejected republicans? And, do you have a point?
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The short answer is that Americans very much learned to love Nixon and Bush for what I see are fundamental flaws that are part of the DNA of the GOP and the DNA of a majority of American voters.
I've been saying that Reagan swung the country by addressing the people's angst for many, many, many months now.
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Something that will always and forever escape 1kiki’s understanding is that voters are not the same as eligible voters.
What does this have to do with Nixon, Bush ... or Reagan? Or anything? Once again, you seem to be wandering in no particular direction.
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There happens to be about a hundred million eligible voters who did not vote.
Voter turnout overall was about average. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-voter-turnout-wasnt-way-down-fr
om-2012
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I don't know what is in their DNA except for obliviousness and pathological political apathy.
Early indications are that Trump supporters in swing states were more motivated. Though as 538 pointed out, it'll be weeks, if not months before final numbers are in. Other than that, sometimes an average voter turnout gets you a democrat, and sometimes a republican.
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We could find out if the non-voters's DNA is GOP ...
I'm sorry but this statement is SO pointless I can't figure out why you bothered to type it. Do 'ya really think DNA has anything to do with it? Anything at all? REALLY?
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... but only if the GOP allowed mandatory voting. I know the GOP does not want to know the answer, but 1kiki probably wants to know the answer even less than the GOP does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_voting

Actually, I'd LOVE compulsory voting! Especially if we put all voters nationwide on the same footing in terms of 'voter ID', ability to register to vote, clean voter registration rolls, people who've been released from prison being allowed to vote, no gerrymandering etc.


And, btw, I'd love to see your explanation for why you claim I wouldn't want to know. You DO have one - right? With quotes and links? Or are you making shit up - AGAIN?






How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Well aren't you the little premature firecracker that would have been outright snuffed out even 2 years ago for smelling too much, Second?



Goddamned "Female President", by "Girl's Day".

And I was masturbating to the Not-Dance-Version of it 3 years before you ever watched it first. Well before Hillary Clinton and the DNC stole the Primary from Bernie Sanders.




Even Jimmy Dore from the TYT says that everything is flipped, and the Populist vote was made in Donald Trump.


I, for one, agree with you. WTF is happening?



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Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:25 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"The USA had 16 years of Republicans in full control or partial control by obstructing Democrats."

Except for 2001 - 2003 when the senate was split exactly 50/ 50; and 2007 - 2009 when democrats plus independents generally had 51 senates seats to the republicans' 49 and the house was controlled by democrats 233 - 202; or 2009 - 2011 when democrats plus independents totaled 59 in the senate to republicans' 41, and democrats RULED the house 256 to 178; and let's not forget 2011 - 2013 when democrats plus independents still held the senate majority 53 - 47; or 2013 - 2015 when democrats plus independents still held the senate majority 55 - 45.

So republicans had full or partial control for all those 16 years ... well, except when they didn't.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Don't talk to me about how, especially in the 2nd term, people dry-fucked Bush Jr and Nixon.

My Rich Lawyer Uncle and his Rich Real Estate wife and their two Rich daughters virtually fucked Obama and Chicago's Mayor Rham. One of them is an editor for the Onion and another is an editor for Adam Ruins Everything (a show I used to love, but stopped watching mid-season this year because it got political).




It will probably take me at least 5 to 10 years of the rest of my life to make as much as any of them are making yearly now, so none of them are even close to "middle class" anymore.



About "Deserve a vote", I don't automatically believe that The Rich deserve a vote. My uncle on Facebook over 8 years ago said that Obama was one of the smartest people ever born and was an Obamaphant.

He shouldn't have been able to vote. Neither should his wife or sycophant daughters. Four Super-Successful White People who are so striken with "White Guilt" that it blinds them to any other issues.



I vote all the time, at least since I was a home owner.

I fought my property taxes when I moved here. They were nearly 2,500/yr when I bought the house. Without a lawyer, I managed to cut them to just under 1,300/yr. Because of the Men and Women I voted in Locally they were cut another 300/yr and my small town was largly taken off of the financial hook of paying for poor people in Gary, IN.

Since I'm virtually Poor myself, I get a $300 credit on my property taxes come April, so my property taxes are well below $800/yr now. If I lived 15 miles west of here in Illions, my property tax burden for the same house and land would be well over $4,000/yr.





No. I don't agree that everyone should be FORCED to vote.

Not one single person on my block, who are all white, should be able to vote since the banks own their houses.

It's not racist at all.



Imagine how great a country we would have been if only Land Owners had a vote, without the Useful Idiots.






But that's just me. The King of Wishful Thinking.


(I only, right now, realized that this song was sung by a white dude. I heard it almost everyday when I was 16 and working at Toys R Us and always assumed it was a black dude.)


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Imagine how great a country we would have been if only Land Owners had a vote, without the Useful Idiots.

Imagine the USA where 200 million vote during 2018's midterm election. Also imagine them mailing in their ballots rather than standing in a line. There would not be much slack time for politicians where they can meet four hours a day, Monday through Friday, with the lobbyists for the top 1% to work out a special exemption for their client. There would be many sad lobbyists that can get no facetime with the governor or the railroad commissioner.
www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/4-reasons-why-many-people-dont-
vote


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Sunday, November 20, 2016 1:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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War Breaks Out Between Neo-Cons And Libertarians Over Trump's Foreign Policy

In late October, when it was still conventional wisdom that Hillary was "guaranteed" to win the presidency, the WaPo explained that among the neo-con, foreign policy "elites" of the Pentagon, a feeling of calm content had spread: after all, it was just a matter of time before the "pacifist" Obama was out, replaced by the more hawkish Hillary.

As the WaPo reported, "there is one corner of Washington where Donald Trump’s scorched-earth presidential campaign is treated as a mere distraction and where bipartisanship reigns. In the rarefied world of the Washington foreign policy establishment, President Obama’s departure from the White House — and the possible return of a more conventional and hawkish Hillary Clinton — is being met with quiet relief."

The Republicans and Democrats who make up the foreign policy elite are laying the groundwork for a more assertive American foreign policy via a flurry of reports shaped by officials who are likely to play senior roles in a potential Clinton White House.

... the so-called establishment camp, many of whom disavowed Trump during the campaign, is made up of the same people who effectively ran Hillary Clinton's tenure while she was Secretary of State, fully intent on creating zones of conflict, political instability and outright war in every imaginable place, from North Africa to Ukraine. This group is pushing for

Stephen Hadley, who served as national security adviser under George W. Bush.

Another Bush ally, John Bolton whose name has been floated as a possible secretary of State, also falls into this camp.

According to The Hill, other neo-con, establishment candidates floated include

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.),
Outgoing Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.),
Rising star Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), and
Senior fellow at conservative think-tank American Enterprise Institute and Former Sen. Jim Talent (R-Mo.)



“At the very least, they should wait to see who gets the top jobs. Until then, let the Trump team fill the deputy assistant secretary and assistant secretary jobs with civil servants, retired military officers and diplomats, or the large supply of loyal or obsequious second-raters who will be eager to serve,” [Eliot Cohen, a former Bush State Department senior adviser] wrote.

Some saw the op-ed as good news, believing it signified a radical turn by Trump from a foreign party establishment that should be ignored. “The first encouraging news I've heard in days. If a leader of #NeverTrump is saying this, that means the establishment hasn't won. Yet,” said Christopher Preble of the CATO Institute.

[OTOH] ... Lindsey Graham, a prominent foreign policy hawk in the Senate, issued an endorsement of Bolton on Thursday, saying: "He understands who our friends and enemies are. We see the world in very similar ways." He also slammed Paul's criticism of Bolton: “You could put the number of Republicans who will follow Rand Paul’s advice on national security in a very small car. Rand is my friend but he’s a libertarian and an outlier in the party on these issues."

Funny, that's exactly what the experts said about Trump's chances of winning not even two weeks ago.

.... And then there are the wildcards: those Trump advisers who are difficult to peg into which camp they fall into. One example is retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, who was selected by Trump as his national security adviser. Flynn is a “curious case,” said Daniel Larison, senior editor at The American Conservative. The retired Army general has said he wants to work with Russia, but also expressed contrary views in his book "Field of Fight." According to Larison, Flynn writes of an “enemy alliance” against the U.S. that includes Russia, North Korea, China, Iran, Syria, Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, al-Qaida, Hezbollah, and the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. From that standpoint, he is about as "establishment" as they come.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-19/war-breaks-out-between-neo-co
ns-and-libertarians-over-trumps-foreign-policy





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Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


"Free-trade" deal Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) suspended

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USA-Obama suspend la procédure de ratification du TPP https://www.zonebourse.com/actualite-bourse/USA-Obama-suspend-la-proce
dure-de-ratification-du-TPP--23386520
/

Not that I could find any front-page coverage in AMERICAN "news" media, but this French article is immediately translatable: Obama Suspends the TPP Ratification Procedure, Nov 11.

Also, Bangkok Post had a timely article, but Reuters mentions it only in passing:

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As TPP falters, Malaysia looks to China trade pact to bolster trade
Malaysia said on Tuesday it would focus efforts on wrapping up a multi-nation trade pact led by China, as the Southeast Asian country braces for the possible collapse of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), spearheaded by the United States.

The comment comes after U.S. President Barack Obama's administration suspended efforts to win congressional approval for TPP before President-elect Donald Trump takes office, saying the pact's fate was up to Trump and Republican lawmakers.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-tpp-idUSKBN13A0H6

Forbes describes how Vietnam will peel off from the pact, and other news about involved nations who have already signed TPP
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Good News For China? No TPP For The U.S., And Now Vietnam

“Vietnam has prepared to join the 12-nation TPP. However, as the U.S. has announced to suspend the deal, there would be no sufficient conditions for Vietnam to submit its proposal for ratification,” said Vietnam’s Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc.

... Countries have two years to ratify this more than 2,000-pages pact ... None of the 12 countries have completed the ratification process so far. Japan, the second-largest economy after the U.S in this treaty, voted to ratify the deal this month. Prime Minister Abe is meeting Trump in New York today, where TPP is likely to be discussed....

China was not sitting on the sidelines during TPP negotiations. Along with 15 other countries, China has been negotiating a region-wide trade deal since early 2013, covering around 50% the world’s population and 30% of global GDP. The Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), a less ambitious treaty than TPP, which aims to tackle some highly sensitive aspects of trade, has finished its 15th round of negotiations this month. A TPP member, Peru, expressed its interest in joining this week.
.... some [other] countries like Australia are signaling they would support a China-led regional trade deal,



http://www.forbes.com/sites/xiangwang/2016/11/17/good-news-for-china-n
o-tpp-for-the-u-s-and-now-vietnam/#35df3dab3dc8

Xiang Wang Contributor- Editorial intern with Forbes Asia.






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Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And the Atlantic version of the TPP, called the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is dead.

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Angela Merkel Sounds Death Knell for TTIP—But Don't Thank Donald TrumpGerman Chancellor Angela Merkel said Thursday at a joint press conference with U.S. President Barack Obama that negotiations over the corporate-friendly TransAtlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) between Europe and the United States "will not be concluded now" that Donald Trump has been elected to succeed Obama.

It is a victory for the millions of people on both continents who voiced opposition to the massive deal. But social justice campaigners across Europe refuse to give the credit to Trump, saying that thanks to public outcry, the TTIP was "already dead" long before November 8.

Indeed, a coalition of European civil society groups and trade unions just this week warned that Trump merely exploited economic unease in order to win the presidential election, and that "[d]espite his rhetoric, Trump fully believes in deregulation, privatization, and putting profit before people."
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/11/17/angela-merkel-sounds-death
-knell-ttip-dont-thank-donald-trump




Of course, there were many activist groups in the EU struggling to stop TTIP. One of the most pressing concerns was over biotechnology, either as introduced GMOs or as the paired Monsanto chemicals+ chemically resistant GMOs. I have seen some very concerned videos about the effects of glyphosate on root-strength and long-term field yields, animals and people, for example. The individual EU nations would have been powerless to stop Monsanto if TTIP had been ratified. But I feel that had Hillary been elected, TTIP would have been pushed through no matter what the individual nation objections, just like CETA bulldozed the objections of Wallonia.

In any case, the deal is officially dead: Merkel said so.



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Monday, November 21, 2016 9:37 AM

REAVERFAN


He's clearly a huge hit with the racists.

David Duke, former Klan leader, applauds Trump staff, Cabinet picks as ‘great first steps’



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/19/david-duke-former-klan
-leader-applauds-trumps-cabi
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Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:46 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


America for Americans. America First.

Meanwhile Trump is setting up shop for future deals overseas with Indian businessmen, the Brexit motherfucker, and a South American diplomat. He's conducting business using the power of the White House to enrich himself.

Yeah, this is gonna be a great administration for the American worker. Our tax dollars at work.


SGG


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And the Atlantic version of the TPP, called the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is dead.

Quote:

Angela Merkel Sounds Death Knell for TTIP—But Don't Thank Donald TrumpGerman Chancellor Angela Merkel said Thursday at a joint press conference with U.S. President Barack Obama that negotiations over the corporate-friendly TransAtlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) between Europe and the United States "will not be concluded now" that Donald Trump has been elected to succeed Obama.

It is a victory for the millions of people on both continents who voiced opposition to the massive deal. But social justice campaigners across Europe refuse to give the credit to Trump, saying that thanks to public outcry, the TTIP was "already dead" long before November 8.

Indeed, a coalition of European civil society groups and trade unions just this week warned that Trump merely exploited economic unease in order to win the presidential election, and that "[d]espite his rhetoric, Trump fully believes in deregulation, privatization, and putting profit before people."
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/11/17/angela-merkel-sounds-death
-knell-ttip-dont-thank-donald-trump




Of course, there were many activist groups in the EU struggling to stop TTIP. One of the most pressing concerns was over biotechnology, either as introduced GMOs or as the paired Monsanto chemicals+ chemically resistant GMOs. I have seen some very concerned videos about the effects of glyphosate on root-strength and long-term field yields, animals and people, for example. The individual EU nations would have been powerless to stop Monsanto if TTIP had been ratified. But I feel that had Hillary been elected, TTIP would have been pushed through no matter what the individual nation objections, just like CETA bulldozed the objections of Wallonia.

In any case, the deal is officially dead: Merkel said so.



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Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:30 AM

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So NOT an example of how Trump is already succeeding (thread title). In fact, an example of a European rebuke of his win.
It depends on how you look at it. TTIP was in trouble already, many EU nations (France in particular) were not happy with the prospective importation of patented GMO food. BUT ...

Doesn't the timing of the statement seem more than coincidental? It does seem rather strange to me that the powerhouse nation which appears to decide EU policy on everything, and the woman who runs it, should wait until after the election to make her statement.

Merkel does whatever the USA has asked (Libya, Ukraine, Syria, immigrant crisis), even as it led to chaos in her own nation. She will be seeking a fourth term as Chancellor next year, and if past history is any guide to the future, she would continue to stick very close to USA requests. So imagine that Hillary had won. Do you think Merkel would have made the same statement on TTIP?



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