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Trump groping allegations, debunked (?)
Monday, October 17, 2016 9:27 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:The Democrat-media complex carpet bombed Donald Trump with several alleged groping stories this week from several women. The media clearly did not fact check these stories. They ran the stories no matter how farfetched they were. It is clear from the number of stories dropped in the last week that this was a coordinated effort, probably from inside the Hillary Clinton campaign. The goal was not to present facts to the public. Their goal was to destroy Donald Trump. In 2008 the Democrat media hit Republican John McCain with similar allegations. Vicki Iseman, the woman named in the hit piece, settled with The New York Times after the election. So, it is clear that this is a commonly used tactic by Democrats – use the media to slander and destroy their opposition before the election. Thankfully, today the conservative media is much stronger than it was eight years ago. Here are a few of the alleged “groping” incidents against Donald Trump that have now been debunked. 1.) Jessica Leeds nyt-accuser Jessica Leeds accused a young Donald Trump of groping her in first class on a flight from Dallas to New York City on Braniff Air in 1979. Leeds said young multimillionaire Trump lifted the armrest to grope her during the flight. The armrests on Braniff 727s appear to be stationary, they can’t be raised. She also used lyrics from the Velvet Underground song to describe the alleged “groping.” Leeds also said if Trump had kept his hands above the waist she might have been ok with it. …Huh? Tonight a British passenger on the same plane as Trump and Leeds refuted her claims. Anthony Gilberthorpe said Jessica Leeds was flirting with Trump and Trump never touched her. The New York Post reported: Donald Trump’s campaign says a British man is countering claims that the GOP presidential nominee groped a woman on a cross-country flight more than three decades ago. The man says he was sitting across from the accuser and contacted the Trump campaign because he was incensed by her account — which is at odds with what he witnessed. “I have only met this accuser once and frankly cannot imagine why she is seeking to make out that Trump made sexual advances on her. Not only did he not do so (and I was present at all times) but it was she that was the one being flirtatious,” Anthony Gilberthorpe said in a note provided to The Post by the Trump campaign ... 2.) Natasha Stoynoff Donald Trump’s former butler stepped forward to debunk another accuser’s story. Anthony Senecal said the so-called incident with the People magazine hack “never happened.” The Palm Beach Post reported: Donald Trump’s former Mar-a-Lago Butler backed up the Republican nominee for president in denying the billionaire groped a reporter from People magazine. “No, that never happened. Come on, that’s just bull crap,” said Anthony “Tony” Senecal. People magazine writer Natasha Stoynoff wrote an essay this week about how she was groped by Trump at Mar-a-Lago during an interview in the early 2000s. She is one of four women to make accusations against Trump of unwanted sexual advances. The issue has become central to the presidential race since a 2005 hot-mic video surfaced of Trump bragging about using his celebrity to grope women. He has downplayed the incident as “locker-room talk.” Trump, at his rally in West Palm Beach on Thursday, said he was always in a public place with Stoynoff and denied he ever acted inappropriately. Melania said ... "The following statements in the Story, among others, are false and completely fictionalized. We therefore demand that you immediately and permanently remove each of these statements from the Story, and print a prominent retraction and apology: 1. “That winter, I actually bumped into Melania on Fifth Avenue, in front of Trump Tower as she walked into the building, carrying baby Barron.” 2. “‘Natasha, why don’t we see you anymore?’ she asked, giving me a hug.” 3. “I was quiet and smiled, telling her I’d missed her, and I squeezed little Barron’s foot.” The true facts are these: Mrs. Trump did not encounter Ms. Stoynoff on the street, nor have any conversation with her. The two are not friends and were never friends or even friendly. 3.) Summer Zervos (and her representative Gloria Allred – a Hillary Clinton delegate at the Democratic convention) Another day, another sexual harassment smear on GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump by the mainstream media. Except this one just fell apart. The latest woman, Summer Zervos who was a contestant on ‘The Apprentice,’ claimed today that Trump sexually harassed her. But, as it turns out, it was Zervos who continued to stay in contact with Trump. If Trump did sexually harass Zervos, why would she be reaching out for help with her business by contacting him? Wouldn’t she be afraid and disgusted by him? 4.) Mindy McGillivray Mindy McGillivray says Donald Trump nudged her at a concert at Mar-a-Lago at a concert on January 24, 2003. She went public with her story this week. There was no such concert at Mar-a-Lago on January 24, 2003. ... Perhaps because they never bothered to verify a Ray Charles concert at Mar-A-Lago even happened on January 24, 2003. ... A Ray Charles concert chronology shows that on January 23, a Ray Charles concert in Seattle was canceled, but nothing was scheduled for January 24. 5.) Kristin Anderson Kristin Anderson claims a young Donald Trump groped her while he was sitting alone at a nightclub in New York City in the 1990s. She gave her story to the Washington Post, one of many careless anti-Trump rags. She claims Trump touched her vagina at a club, while sitting alone, in the 1990s. She never came forward until now – three weeks outside of a national election. Here’s Trump’s response: “It’s nonsense. It’s false… They are coming after me to try to destroy the greatest political movement in our country. The political establishment is trying to stop us because they no we are a threat… Hillary is the most corrupt person to ever seek the presidency of the United States… These allegations are 100% false. They’re made up. They’ve never happened. Trump went on to tell his supporters he’s never sat alone at a club. —–This post will be updated as we gather more information.
Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:53 AM
THGRRI
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, hold your fire and look for evidence. Like the evidence that comes out of his mouth? "I moved on her like a bitch."
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, hold your fire and look for evidence.
Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:57 AM
Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:22 AM
Tuesday, October 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: T - did you see where he actually commented on Hillary's backside from the last debate?? This wasn't in a locker room or boys talk on a bus without cameras. This was in public at one of his Hater Rallies. http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/15/trump-not-impressed-with-clinton-s-backside.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl "Donald Trump on Friday took his campaign to a new low by apparently body shaming Hillary Clinton, the first female presidential nominee in history. At a rally in North Carolina on Friday night, Trump told the crowd he was “not impressed” with Clinton’s behind. “I’m standing at my podium and she walks in front of me, right. She walks in front of me, you know. And when she walked in front of me, believe me, I wasn’t impressed,” he said. Trump went on to hit back against mounting sexual assault allegations against him by telling supporters President Barack Obama could also be accused of lewd behavior with women. “Why doesn’t some woman maybe come up and say what they say falsely about me? They could say it about him. They could say it about anybody.” AND THEN HE GOES EVEN FURTHER: "The icing on the cake, however, came when Trump physically demonstrated to the crowd what it would look like if he grabbed a woman “by the pussy,” as he bragged about doing in a damning video from 2005. “’Oh, in 1992, he went like this,’” Trump said, mocking his accusers as he gestured as if grabbing someone below the waist. As for numerous sexual assault allegations against him, he said there are “no witnesses” and “not a single shred of evidence” to back up the many accusers’ claims."
Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:28 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Signy now posting articles from right-wing websites like The Gateway Pundit as part of her Trump campaigning? Without posting the link of course. "Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition." Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278 Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521
Tuesday, October 18, 2016 3:54 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Apparently the media just ran with these stories without doing their usual fact-checking first, because even simple things like the time, date, and location of a concert was wrong, and that kind of thing is easily verified. Rush to judgment much? The MSM has really exposed itself in a big way as having lost all journalistic integrity. I'm worried about what this says about our so-called "free" press.
Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Apparently the media just ran with these stories without doing their usual fact-checking first, because even simple things like the time, date, and location of a concert was wrong, and that kind of thing is easily verified. Rush to judgment much? The MSM has really exposed itself in a big way as having lost all journalistic integrity. I'm worried about what this says about our so-called "free" press. Tell me if the media got this wrong: Donald Trump's response to the tsunami of women saying he groped or attacked them is to flatly call them liars. Did the media misreport what Trump said, Signym?
Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:26 AM
Wednesday, October 19, 2016 1:17 PM
Wednesday, October 19, 2016 1:36 PM
Wednesday, October 19, 2016 2:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Each allegation that goes to print deserves to be fact-checked before publication (yanno, for simple things like: was Trump even there, or was the situation as described?) and each allegation deserves to be investigated thoroughly ... not immediately reacted to. Tell me SECOND, even with all of those allegations against Clinton, I'll bet you managed to squeeze out a vote for him ... not once, but twice, correct? If so, there is that BIG DOUBLE STANDARD of yours!
Thursday, October 20, 2016 6:15 AM
Quote:Each allegation that goes to print deserves to be fact-checked before publication (yanno, for simple things like: was Trump even there, or was the situation as described?) and each allegation deserves to be investigated thoroughly ... not immediately reacted to. Tell me SECOND, even with all of those allegations against Clinton, I'll bet you managed to squeeze out a vote for him ... not once, but twice, correct? If so, there is that BIG DOUBLE STANDARD of yours! = SIGNY You know nothing about entertainment journalism, do you?
Quote:Trump and Billy Bush got into trouble while Trump was promoting himself on Access Hollywood. Trump was there because he made a cameo appearance in an episode of daytime soap opera Days of Our Lives to promote The Apprentice. Trump’s other trouble was with People Magazine, which is entertainment journalism. Trump’s entire campaign is entertainment journalism. There is nothing that loudmouth Trump does that is any different from Rush Limbaugh’s show, except Rush is too smart to be running for President. He knows he can’t win. Trump never knew.
Quote:The first time I voted was 2004. It was for John Kerry. My sisters, who don’t vote, say that the Democrats are the same as the Republicans and to that I say “Bush and his entire cabinet were incompetent. They knew no more at the end of eight years in the White House than they knew after six months there. President Al Gore would not have been incompetent.”
Wednesday, November 2, 2016 8:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Your sisters are correct - there is no difference between most Dems and most Repubs. Mostly they're just arguing over who gets the biggest piece of the "contributions" pie.
Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:28 PM
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