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Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hillary needs to show more empathy ...


That's not the problem, hon; and saying "But Donald! ..." isn't going to fix it.

First of all, Hillary's current favorable rating is a little under 42%, while her unfavorable rating is a little under 55% - in case you need help with the math, her unfavorable ratings exceed her favorable ratings by 13%.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavor
able-1131.html

So, since you refuse to honestly consider Hillary's problem, let me quote the people who explain what's wrong with Hillary.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-scarlet-clinton
-20160707-snap-story.html
Hillary Clinton pays a price for 'extreme carelessness' with emails

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/18/the-continui
ng-political-decline-of-hillary-clinton/
The continuing political decline of Hillary Clinton
But if voters are looking for change and to shake up the system, that's where Trump excels. When it comes to who could bring the "needed change to Washington," Trump leads by 11 points, 50-39.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hillary-clinton-polls-negatives-scorn-don
ald-trump-1.3659780
'We don't like Hillary as a package'
'She is not trustworthy'



What can Hillary do to reverse these opinions?



Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 12, 2016 6:24 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 1kiki:

What can Hillary do to reverse these opinions?
Nothing. If she lives long enough to be elected, if she doesn't die in the next 4 years, she will be in the same trouble in 2020. But she could make a break from her past by having Congress pass a second joint resolution. What resolution?

Remember the the joint resolution called "Authorization for Use of Military Force"? Everybody in Congress, except one, voted for it.
www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ40/html/PLAW-107publ40.htm

Worst resolution I ever read.

The one person voting against it wrote that the resolution “was a blank check to the president to attack anyone involved in the Sept. 11 events — anywhere, in any country, without regard to our nation’s long-term foreign policy, economic and national security interests, and without time limit.” She added: “A rush to launch precipitous military counterattacks runs too great a risk that more innocent men, women, children will be killed.”
www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Why-I-opposed-the-resolution-to-authori
ze-force-2876893.php

But this is what the majority of American voters want and pay hundreds of billions per year to get from the Defense Department, CIA, NSA, etc. The voters shall have what they want and no President will tell them they can’t. Not Hillary and not Trump. This is why the Constitution has an age limit for being President. Less than 35 years old and you're too young to make wise decisions. There needs to be an upper age limit, too, and all the candidates are too old and wisdom has not come to them with age.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 9:57 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by second:
We shouldn't read too much into what Trump is saying.


I assure you the only thing I infer from any Trump statement is you can't believe any Trump statement.
An editorial from the Houston Chronicle follows. Texas is overloaded with people like Trump. It is possible to make business deals with them, but you must confront them when they bullshit you. That is not happening to Trump. It is as if everyone interviewing him knows Trump is playing a fictional character and they don't want to interrupt a smoothly flowing TV show by being rude to that character.

Trump’s ‘big liar’ technique is obvious
www.alternet.org/election-2016/paul-krugman-reveals-disturbing-consequ
ences-medias-inability-call-out-trumps-lies

Paul Krugman says the GOP candidate has repeatedly claimed he opposed Iraq War from the start. That is false.

Long ago, you-know-who suggested that propagandists should apply the “big lie” technique: make their falsehoods so huge, so egregious, that they would be widely accepted because nobody would believe they were lying on that grand a scale. And the technique has worked well for despots and would-be despots ever since.

But Donald Trump has come up with something new, which we can call the “big liar” technique. Taken one at a time, his lies are medium-size — not trivial, but mostly not rising to the level of blood libel. But the lies are constant, coming in a steady torrent, and are never acknowledged, simply repeated. He evidently believes that this strategy will keep the news media flummoxed, unable to believe, or at least say openly, that the candidate of a major party lies that much.

And Wednesday night’s “Commander in Chief” televised forum suggested that he may be right.

Obligatory disclaimer: No, I’m not saying that Trump is another Hitler. More like Mussolini. But I digress.

Back to the issue: All politicians are human beings, which means that all of them sometimes shade the truth. (Show me someone who claims to never lie, and I’ll show you someone who is lying.) The question is how much they lie, and how consequentially.

Not to put too fine a point on it, Hillary Clinton has been cagey about her email arrangements when she was secretary of state. But when you look at what the independent fact-checkers who have given her a “pants on fire” or “four Pinocchios” rating on this issue actually have to say, it’s remarkably weak: She stands accused of being overly legalistic or overstating the extent to which she has been cleared, but not of making major claims that are completely at odds with reality.

Oh, and it barely got covered in the media, but her claim that Colin Powell advised her to set up a private email account was ... completely true, validated by an email that Powell sent three days after she took office, which contradicts some of his own claims.

And overall, her record on truthfulness, as compiled by PolitiFact, looks pretty good for a politician — much better than that of any of the contenders for the Republican nomination, and for that matter much better than that of Mitt Romney in the last presidential election.

Trump, on the other hand, is in a class of his own. He lies about statistics like the unemployment rate and the crime rate. He lies about foreign policy: President Barack Obama is “the founder of ISIS.” But most of all, he lies about himself — and when the lies are exposed, he just keeps repeating them.

One obvious question going into Wednesday’s forum was whether Trump would repeat his frequent claim that he opposed the Iraq War from the start. This claim is demonstrably false: His only documented prewar remarks on the subject support the war, and the interview he likes to cite as evidence of his prescience took place more than a year after the war began. But he keeps saying it anyway; if he did it again, how would Matt Lauer, the moderator, respond?

Well, he did do it again — and Lauer, who used about a third of his time with Clinton talking about emails, let it stand and moved on to the next question.

Why is it apparently so hard to hold Trump accountable for blatant, in-your-face lies? Part of the answer may be that journalists are overwhelmed by the sheer volume of outrageous material. After all, which Trump line should be the headliner for a news analysis of Wednesday’s event? His Iraq lie? His praise for Vladimir Putin, who “has an 82 percent approval rating”? His denigration of the U.S. military, whose commanders, he says, have been “reduced to rubble”?

There’s also a deep diffidence about pointing out uncomfortable truths. Back in 2000, when I was first writing this column, I was discouraged from using the word “lie” about George W. Bush’s dishonest policy claims. As I recall, I was told that it was inappropriate to be that blunt about the candidate of one of our two major political parties. And something similar may be going on even now, with few people in the media willing to accept the reality that the Republican Party has nominated someone whose lies are so blatant and frequent that they amount to sociopathy.

Even that observation, however, doesn’t explain the asymmetry, because some of the same media organizations that apparently find it impossible to point out Trump’s raw, consequential lies have no problem harassing Clinton endlessly over minor misstatements and exaggerations, or sometimes over actions that were perfectly innocent. Is it sexism? I really don’t know, but it’s shocking to watch.

And meanwhile, if the question is whether Trump can really get away with his big liar routine, the evidence from Wednesday night suggests a disheartening answer: Unless something changes, yes he can.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 12:53 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Both Trump and Hillary are liars.

Trump is what is called a "bullshit artist". I'm sure you've heard the term, and you know the type: Put a beer in his hand at the corner pub or bar, and he'll be regaling you with stories that you're 90% sure are 50% bullshit.

So Trump gets behind a podium, and he bullshits. And unfortunately, because he thinks he's the smartest man in the world, he doesn't seem to feel the need for pre-preparation for the job of President, when all of your words are carefully weighed and measured, he figures that he'll figure it out when he gets there.

BTW- SECOND, you can't have it both ways: You can't on the one hand claim that Trump is so loose in the head that he will be ineffective about everything, and then claim that he is Putin's tool. Putin is a smart man, just look at his Security Cabinet. I doubt Putin would choose Trump to do anything for him.

Also, the idea that Trump would cause the USA to be so consumed with its internal indigestion and so focused on its internal problems that it would be unable to act aggressively elsewhere... Hmmm.... yanno, I think it;s about time the USA focuses on its internal issues instead of poking its nose ... and its weapons ... into everyone else's business, don't you? What do you think "Russia" will do as a result of our internal gaze? Base missiles in Cuba? "Take over" the Mideast? (God help them!) Apparently, you can't think of any threat that Russia would pose, because when challenged you collectively couldn't come up with a single one:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60755

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Hillary, OTOH, is a much more careful liar. Being a lawyer, it's not surprising that she takes a very lawyer-like approach to lying: as long as there are no records to prove her falsehoods then she's good to go. So her staff illegally removed records from her late aide's (Vince Foster's) office which were pertinent to an ongoing investigation and which "turned up" in Hillary's possession years later, and a torn portion of Foster's suicide note was given to the police by Hillary's staff weeks after his death. She aided her husband's predatory behavior (I'll bet she would have gotten rid of that semen-splotched blue dress if she had only known.) She maintained an ILLEGAL server and then not only erased 30,000 "private" emails but bleached the server, had the backups bleached, and "disappeared" the Apple Notebook, thumb drives, and over a dozen Blackberry phones on which she conducted State Department business.

The other thing she and her campaign lied about is "Russia's" role in the campaign. That's sure to make her future relations with Russia (assuming she's elected) much more difficult that necessary.

The one lie that she can't make go away is her failing health, because that's not a matter of making records disappear; it's a matter of her day-to-day performance and behavior which is videoed from multiple angles.



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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 1:33 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Trump gave an interview this morning that should be shocking — but we’re numb.

Trump went on CNBC this morning, and, over the course of a wide-ranging interview, once again reminded the world of the most fundamental fact about his candidacy — he doesn’t really seem to understand any aspect of American public policy.

Benefiting as he often does from a cable news format, he was allowed to ramble and dissemble across a variety of topics — including who sets interest rates, how monetary policy impacts the economy, and how his own money is invested, finding time for a racist personal attack against a rival politician.

"I believe it’s a false market," Trump said of the current state of American stocks. "I don’t even invest in the stock market."

Trump’s personal financial disclosures to the Federal Election Commission have been fairly skimpy given the complicated nature of his finances, but they clearly show that he does in fact own millions of dollars in stock.

What he thinks is false about the market is that he believes stock prices would fall if the Federal Reserve raised interest rates. He also thinks Fed Chair Janet Yellen should be "ashamed" of what she’s doing to the country with her low interest rate policy. Trump then offered the theory that this is all being done to somehow help out Barack Obama.

Versions of this kind of theory are pretty common in business circles, since business circles feature a lot of affluent white men who are generally ill-disposed toward the Democratic Party, but it doesn’t make any sense. After all the way low interest rates are allegedly helping Obama is by improving economic conditions. But improving economic conditions is what the Fed is supposed to do. Why would they be ashamed?

Then for good measure, he called Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas."

A few observations about all this:

In a normal election cycle, a candidate making an offhand racist remark about a sitting US senator would be a big news story.

In a normal election cycle, a candidate making an offhanded lie about the state of his personal finances would be a big news story.

To be totally honest, even in a normal election cycle a candidate exhibiting total confusion about the mechanics and merits of monetary policy probably wouldn’t be that big of a news story but it would at least get some attention.

Seriously. Stop. Take a breath. Now imagine if Mitt Romney had run exactly Mitt Romney’s campaign but then suddenly in mid-September went on television and called Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas for no reason. It would have been huge.
www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12887522/donald-trump-interview-shocking-numb

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Monday, September 12, 2016 1:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by second:
Trump gave an interview this morning that should be shocking — but we’re numb.

Trump went on CNBC this morning, and, over the course of a wide-ranging interview, once again reminded the world of the most fundamental fact about his candidacy — he doesn’t really seem to understand any aspect of American public policy.

Benefiting as he often does from a cable news format, he was allowed to ramble and dissemble across a variety of topics — including who sets interest rates
The Fed

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how monetary policy impacts the economy
It depends on how it is implemented

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and how his own money is invested
I assume in his own real estate holdings, which are privately held
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

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finding time for a racist personal attack against a rival politician.
If he called Warren "Pocahontas" because of her behavior of cozying up to those who would eventually destroy her people, then he's right, and it's not racist. You really ought to stop playing the "raciss" card.

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"I believe it’s a false market," Trump said of the current state of American stocks. "I don’t even invest in the stock market."
So do I. All you have to do is look at how the market behaves: the worse the economic data the higher the stock prices go, because speculators figure that The Fed will not raise interest rates while "the economy" is doing poorly. That's the excuse Janet Yellen gives, anyway.

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Trump’s personal financial disclosures to the Federal Election Commission have been fairly skimpy given the complicated nature of his finances, but they clearly show that he does in fact own millions of dollars in stock.


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But a closer look at Trump’s portfolio may suggest he’s not saying one thing and doing another. The types of stocks in Trump’s portfolio suggests that he is cautious about the stock market right now. And his portfolio is relatively well positioned to survive a drop....

... What’s more, Trump only has a small fraction of his wealth in the stock market. Just $91.5 million of his proclaimed $10 billion net worth is invested in the stock market. (We estimate Trump’s net worth to be just under $4 billion.)

http://fortune.com/2016/08/09/here-are-donald-trumps-14-biggest-stock-
market-investments/

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What he thinks is false about the market is that he believes stock prices would fall if the Federal Reserve raised interest rates. He also thinks Fed Chair Janet Yellen should be "ashamed" of what she’s doing to the country with her low interest rate policy. Trump then offered the theory that this is all being done to somehow help out Barack Obama.
He is correct on the first two points, absolutely.

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Versions of this kind of theory are pretty common in business circles, since business circles feature a lot of affluent white men who are generally ill-disposed toward the Democratic Party, but it doesn’t make any sense. After all the way low interest rates are allegedly helping Obama is by improving economic conditions. But improving economic conditions is what the Fed is supposed to do. Why would they be ashamed?
Because it's not working the way they're implementing it. The "free money" is going to the wealthy who then use it to speculate on whatever is "going up" at the moment ... in this case, luxury homes and stocks ... while the savers- pension plans and the like- get screwed.

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Then for good measure, he called Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas."
If he meant that she is a betrayer of her people, he is correct.


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, September 12, 2016 8:24 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Donald Trump sure lies a lot for a guy who likes to call other people liars.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:41 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hillary Clinton's latest transcript, judged by her stated criteria

I also felt the need to point out her many logical fallacies, that prey on emotion.

prejudice and paranoia
These apparently are bad things. Except when Hillary stokes paranoia about Vladimir. Then it's OK.
And he certainly doesn’t have any solutions
I'm not seeing any solutions from Hillary either, just a lot of feel-good platitudes. This expectation of Donald is just as unfilled with Hillary.
respect all Americans
Unless they're the 50%?
fever dream is about my health. All I can say is, Donald, dream on.
I put this here because I'm curious if this'll be proven to be a lie.
In times of crisis
More paranoia-stoking.
steady leadership … clear thinking … and calm judgment
Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine. State Department emails. DNC server hack. Free trade agreements.
loose cannon who can’t tell the difference between fact and fiction
Libya isn't a failure, it's an 'evolving situation'. And the email server was Powell's fault. Her staff's fault. AOL's fault.
Someone detached from reality should never be in charge of making decisions
Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine. State Department emails. DNC server hack. Free trade agreements.
cooler heads will be there
Not in Hillary's administration.
stoked anti-immigrant sentiments to win the referendum
You and Debbie had the same disdain for the primaries.


Hillary Clinton Remarks as Prepared for Delivery – Reno, Nevada

Thank you, Reno! It’s great to be back in Nevada…

My original plan for this visit was to focus on our agenda to help small businesses and entrepreneurs. This week we proposed new steps to cut red tape and taxes, and make it easier for small businesses to get the credit they need to grow and hire. Because I believe that in America, if you can dream it, you should be able to build it. We’ll be talking a lot more about our economic plans in the days and weeks ahead.

But today, I want to address something I hear from Americans all over our country. Everywhere I go, people tell me how concerned they are by the divisive rhetoric coming from my opponent in this election. It’s like nothing we’ve heard before from a nominee for President of the United States.

From the start, Donald Trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. He’s taking hate groups mainstream and helping a radical fringe take over one of America’s two major political parties. His disregard for the values that make our country great is profoundly dangerous.

In just the past week, under the guise of “outreach” to African Americans, Trump has stood up in front of largely white audiences and described black communities in insulting and ignorant terms: “Poverty. Rejection. Horrible education. No housing. No homes. No ownership. Crime at levels nobody has seen … Right now, you walk down the street, you get shot.”

Those are his words.

Donald Trump misses so much. He doesn’t see the success of black leaders in every field … The vibrancy of black-owned businesses…Or the strength of the black church… He doesn’t see the excellence of historically black colleges and universities or the pride of black parents watching their children thrive … And he certainly doesn’t have any solutions to take on the reality of systemic racism and create more equity and opportunity in communities of color.

It takes a lot of nerve to ask people he’s ignored and mistreated for decades, “What do you have to lose?” The answer is everything! Trump’s lack of knowledge or experience or solutions would be bad enough.

But what he’s doing here is more sinister. Trump is reinforcing harmful stereotypes and offering a dog whistle to his most hateful supporters. It’s a disturbing preview of what kind of President he’d be.

This is what I want to make clear today:
A man with a long history of racial discrimination, who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far reaches of the internet, should never run our government or command our military.

If he doesn’t respect all Americans, how can he serve all Americans?

Now, I know some people still want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. They hope that he will eventually reinvent himself – that there’s a kinder, gentler, more responsible Donald Trump waiting in the wings somewhere. After all, it’s hard to believe anyone – let alone a nominee for President of the United States – could really believe all the things he says.

But the hard truth is, there’s no other Donald Trump. This is it. Maya Angelou once said: “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”

Well, throughout his career and this campaign, Donald Trump has shown us exactly who he is. We should believe him.

When Trump was getting his start in business, he was sued by the Justice Department for refusing to rent apartments to black and Latino tenants. Their applications would be marked with a “C” – “C” for “colored” – and then rejected. Three years later, the Justice Department took Trump back to court because he hadn’t changed.

The pattern continued through the decades.

State regulators fined one of Trump’s casinos for repeatedly removing black dealers from the floor. No wonder the turn-over rate for his minority employees was way above average.

And let’s not forget Trump first gained political prominence leading the charge for the so-called “Birthers.”

He promoted the racist lie that President Obama isn’t really an American citizen – part of a sustained effort to delegitimize America’s first black President.

In 2015, Trump launched his own campaign for President with another racist lie. He described Mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals. And he accused the Mexican government of actively sending them across the border. None of that is true.

Oh, and by the way, Mexico’s not paying for his wall either. If it ever gets built, you can be sure that American taxpayers will be stuck with the bill.

Since then, there’s been a steady stream of bigotry. We all remember when Trump said a distinguished federal judge born in Indiana couldn’t be trusted to do his job because, quote, “He’s a Mexican.” Think about that. The man who today is the standard bearer of the Republican Party said a federal judge was incapable of doing his job solely because of his heritage.

Even the Republican Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, described that as “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

To this day, he’s never apologized to Judge Curiel. But for Trump, that’s just par for the course.

This is someone who retweets white supremacists online, like the user who goes by the name “white-genocide-TM.” Trump took this fringe bigot with a few dozen followers and spread his message to 11 million people.His campaign famously posted an anti-Semitic image – a Star of David imposed over a sea of dollar bills – that first appeared on a white supremacist website. The Trump campaign also selected a prominent white nationalist leader as a delegate in California. They only dropped him under pressure.

When asked in a nationally televised interview whether he would disavow the support of David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, Trump wouldn’t do it. Only later, again under mounting pressure, did he backtrack.

And when Trump was asked about anti-Semitic slurs and death threats coming from his supporters, he refused to condemn them.

Through it all, he has continued pushing discredited conspiracy theories with racist undertones. Trump said thousands of American Muslims in New Jersey cheered the 9/11 attacks. They didn’t. He suggested that Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the Kennedy assassination. Perhaps in Trump’s mind, because he was a Cuban immigrant, he must have had something to do with it. Of course there’s absolutely no evidence of that. Just recently, Trump claimed President Obama founded ISIS. And then he repeated that nonsense over and over.

His latest paranoid fever dream is about my health. All I can say is, Donald, dream on.

This is what happens when you treat the National Enquirer like Gospel.

It’s what happens when you listen to the radio host Alex Jones, who claims that 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombings were inside jobs. He said the victims of the Sandy Hook massacre were child actors and no one was actually killed there. Trump didn’t challenge those lies. He went on Jones’ show and said: “Your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down.” This man wants to be President of the United States.

I’ve stood by President Obama’s side as he made the toughest decisions a Commander-in-Chief ever has to make.

In times of crisis, our country depends on steady leadership … clear thinking … and calm judgment … because one wrong move can mean the difference between life and death. The last thing we need in the Situation Room is a loose cannon who can’t tell the difference between fact and fiction, and who buys so easily into racially-tinged rumors. Someone detached from reality should never be in charge of making decisions that are as real as they come. It’s another reason why Donald Trump is simply temperamentally unfit to be President of the United States.

Now, some people will say that his bluster and bigotry is just over-heated campaign rhetoric – an outrageous person saying outrageous things for attention. But look at the policies Trump has proposed. They would put prejudice into practice.

And don’t be distracted by his latest attempts to muddy the waters. He may have some new people putting new words in his mouth… but we know where he stands. He would form a deportation force to round up millions of immigrants and kick them out of the country.

He’d abolish the bedrock constitutional principle that says if you’re born in the United States, you’re an American citizen. He says that children born in America to undocumented parents are, quote, “anchor babies” and should be deported. Millions of them.

And he’d ban Muslims around the world – 1.5 billion men, women, and children –from entering our country just because of their religion. Think about that for a minute. How would it actually work? People landing in U.S. airports would line up to get their passports stamped, just like they do now. But in Trump’s America, when they step up to the counter, the immigration officer would ask every single person, “What is your religion?” I just want to point out that here, Hillary is presenting wild speculation as if it was Donald's actual plan. And then what? What if someone says, “I’m a Christian,” but the agent doesn’t believe them. Do they have to prove it? How would they do that?

Ever since the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, America has distinguished itself as a haven for people fleeing religious persecution. Under Donald Trump, America would distinguish itself as the only country in the world to impose a religious test at the border. And again

Come to think of it, there actually may be one place that does that. It’s the so-called Islamic State. The territory ISIS controls. It would be a cruel irony if America followed its lead. And yet again

Don’t worry, some will say, as President, Trump will be surrounded by smart advisors who will rein in his worst impulses. So when a tweet gets under his skin and he wants to retaliate with a cruise missile, maybe cooler heads will be there to convince him not to. Maybe.

But look at who he’s put in charge of his campaign.

Trump likes to say he only hires the “best people.” But he’s had to fire so many campaign managers it’s like an episode of the Apprentice.

The latest shake-up was designed to – quote – “Let Trump be Trump.” To do that, he hired Stephen Bannon, the head of a right-wing website called Breitbart.com, as campaign CEO. To give you a flavor of his work, here are a few headlines they’ve published:
“Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy.”
“Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?”
“Gabby Giffords: The Gun Control Movement’s Human Shield”
“Hoist It High And Proud: The Confederate Flag Proclaims A Glorious Heritage.”
That one came shortly after the Charleston massacre, when Democrats and Republicans alike were doing everything they could to heal racial divides. Breitbart tried to enflame them further.
Just imagine – Donald Trump reading that and thinking: “this is what I need more of in my campaign.”
Bannon has nasty things to say about pretty much everyone. This spring, he railed against Paul Ryan for, quote “rubbing his social-justice Catholicism in my nose every second.” No wonder he’s gone to work for Trump – the only Presidential candidate ever to get into a public feud with the Pope.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, Breitbart embraces “ideas on the extremist fringe of the conservative right. Racist ideas. Race-baiting ideas. Anti-Muslim and anti-Immigrant ideas Logical fallacy - guilt by association

–– all key tenets making up an emerging racist ideology known as the ‘Alt-Right.’”
Alt-Right is short for “Alternative Right.” The Wall Street Journal describes it as a loosely organized movement, mostly online, that “rejects mainstream conservatism, promotes nationalism and views immigration and multiculturalism as threats to white identity.” The de facto merger between Breitbart and the Trump Campaign represents a landmark achievement for the “Alt-Right.” A fringe element has effectively taken over the Republican Party.

This is part of a broader story -- the rising tide of hardline, right-wing nationalism around the world. Just yesterday, one of Britain’s most prominent right-wing leaders, Nigel Farage, who
stoked anti-immigrant sentiments to win the referendum
on leaving the European Union, campaigned with Donald Trump in Mississippi. Farage has called for a ban on the children of legal immigrants from public schools and health services, has said women are quote “worth less” than men, and supports scrapping laws that prevent employers from discriminating based on race -- that’s who Trump wants by his side. Logical fallacy - guilt by association

The godfather of this global brand of extreme nationalism is Russian President Vladimir Putin. Logical fallacy - guilt by association and btw, she might as well be calling him Emmanuel Goldstein In fact, Farage has appeared regularly on Russian propaganda programs. Now he’s standing on the same stage as the Republican nominee. Logical fallacy - guilt by association Trump himself heaps praise on Putin and embrace pro-Russian policies. He talks casually of abandoning our NATO allies, recognizing Russia’s annexation of Crimea, and of giving the Kremlin a free hand in Eastern Europe more generally. Logical fallacy - guilt by association

American presidents from Truman to Reagan have rejected the kind of approach Trump is taking on Russia. We should, too.Actually Reagan was accused of being senile after he escaped his handlers and opened up the idea of negotiating with Russia to reduce nuclear weapons. Logical fallacy - guilt by association

All of this adds up to something we’ve never seen before. Of course there’s always been a paranoid fringe in our politics, steeped in racial resentment. But it’s never had the nominee of a major party stoking it, encouraging it, and giving it a national megaphone. Until now.

On David Duke’s radio show the other day, the mood was jubilant. “We appear to have taken over the Republican Party,” one white supremacist said. Duke laughed. There’s still more work to do, he said. Logical fallacy - guilt by association

No one should have any illusions about what’s really going on here. The names may have changed … Racists now call themselves “racialists.” White supremacists now call themselves “white nationalists.” The paranoid fringe now calls itself “alt-right.” But the hate burns just as bright.

And now Trump is trying to rebrand himself as well. Don’t be fooled.

There’s an old Mexican proverb that says “Tell me with whom you walk, and I will tell you who you are.” We know who Trump is. A few words on a teleprompter won’t change that. He says he wants to “make America great again,” but his real message remains “Make America hate again.” Logical fallacy - strawman argument

This isn’t just about one election. It’s about who we are as a nation. It’s about the kind of example we want to set for our children and grandchildren. Next time you watch Donald Trump rant on television, think about all the kids listening across our country. They hear a lot more than we think. Parents and teachers are already worried about what they’re calling the “Trump Effect.” Bullying and harassment are on the rise in our schools, especially targeting students of color, Muslims, and immigrants. At a recent high school basketball game in Indiana, white students held up Trump signs and taunted Latino players on the opposing team with chants of “Build the wall!” and “Speak English.” After a similar incident in Iowa, one frustrated school principal said, “They see it in a presidential campaign and now it's OK for everyone to say this.” Logical fallacy - Post hoc ergo propter hoc

We wouldn’t tolerate that kind of behavior in our own homes. How can we stand for it from a candidate for president? This is so scrambled it's mind boggling. Hillary quite incorrectly claims that the actions of school children are Donald's actions, which shouldn't be tolerated in the White House.

This is a moment of reckoning for every Republican dismayed that the Party of Lincoln has become the Party of Trump. It’s a moment of reckoning for all of us who love our country and believe that America is better than this. Twenty years ago, when Bob Dole accepted the Republican nomination, he pointed to the exits and told any racists in the Party to get out. The week after 9/11, George W. Bush went to a mosque and declared for everyone to hear that Muslims “love America just as much as I do.” In 2008, John McCain told his own supporters they were wrong about the man he was trying to defeat. Senator McCain made sure they knew – Barack Obama is an American citizen and “a decent person.”

We need that kind of leadership again.

Every day, more Americans are standing up and saying “enough is enough” – including a lot of Republicans. I’m honored to have their support. And I promise you this: with your help, I will be a President for Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. For those who vote for me and those who don't. For all Americans. Because I believe we are stronger together. It’s a vision for the future rooted in our values and reflected in a rising generation of young people who are the most open, diverse, and connected we’ve ever seen.

Just look at our fabulous Olympic team. Like Ibtihaj Muhammad, an African-American Muslim from New Jersey who won the bronze medal in fencing with grace and skill. Would she even have a place in Donald Trump’s America? When I was growing up, Simone Manuel wouldn’t have been allowed to swim in the same public pool as Katie Ledecky. Now they’re winning Olympic medals as teammates. So let’s keep moving forward together. Let’s stand up against prejudice and paranoia. Let’s prove once again, that America is great because is America is good.

Thank you, and may God bless the United States.

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Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, September 13, 2016 4:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wow SECOND, the cornerstone of your video about how Trump lies repeats a lie about Trump's "relationship" with Putin? A snippet, repeated, context-free (which is how almost everything Trump says is reported)? The explanation, per Trump, is that Putin is interested in what's going on with Trump.

It's not that they have a "relationship" relationship, it's just that they happen to both be in politics, and Trump would like to think that Putin pays attention to him. And in fact, Putin probably pays attention to both Hillary AND Trump but that's something we'll never know for sure.

Except you and your vlogger, who knows everything for sure.



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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Logical fallacy - Post hoc ergo propter hoc
One of Donald Trump’s 100 wackiest ideas is that climate change is a hoax fabricated by China to harm the United States.

“The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing uncompetitive,” Trump once tweeted.

He later said, unconvincingly, that he had been kidding about China, but he has emphasized that he does not believe in climate change and would end serious efforts to prevent it.

www.nytimes.com/2016/09/11/opinion/sunday/temperatures-rise-and-were-c
ooked.html

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow SECOND, the cornerstone of your video about how Trump lies repeats a lie about Trump's "relationship" with Putin? A snippet, repeated, context-free (which is how almost everything Trump says is reported)? The explanation, per Trump, is that Putin is interested in what's going on with Trump.

It's not that they have a "relationship" relationship, it's just that they happen to both be in politics, and Trump would like to think that Putin pays attention to him. And in fact, Putin probably pays attention to both Hillary AND Trump but that's something we'll never know for sure.

Except you and your vlogger, who knows everything for sure.

What is so desirable about Trump, other than he is a Republican? I see nothing desirable about Hillary, other than she is a Democrat, but you positively find endless excuses for every Trump shortcoming and personal failure. Trump is highly defective and his only redeeming characteristic is that the Republican party will be in control of all branches of the Federal government once he appoints a Scalia clone to the Supreme Court, chosen from a Republican Party list of clones.

Hillary Clinton told a half truth when she said, "the economy always does better when there’s a Democrat in the White House." It would be a full truth if she had mentioned "and Republicans weren't controlling Congress".

Yes, Democratic presidents do have more Gross Domestic Product growth than Republicans, according to quarterly GDP data dating back to 1947.

But Clinton's comments require several caveats. The current growth in the economy under Obama is lower than the Republican average. Factors such as oil prices also reflect the higher GDP growth under Democratic presidents. On top of that, comparing one period of time to another or one president to another can be problematic.
www.politifact.com/arizona/statements/2016/apr/06/hillary-clinton/does
-economy-always-do-better-under-democratic-pre/

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Once upon a time, in New York City in the 1950s, a little boy didn’t like his second-grade music teacher, Charles Walker. So, the boy later boasted, he slugged Mr. Walker, giving him a black eye.

“When that kid was 10,” Walker recalled on his death bed, “even then, he was a ——” Oops, gentle reader, time to move on hurriedly with the life story of Donald J. Trump.

There are now more than 20 books out about Trump, and while I can’t claim to have read them all — I am not a masochist! — I have waded through his life story so that you don’t have to. You’re welcome! As a reader service, here are highlights.

Donald attended the New York Military Academy, where he thrived despite a regrettable attempt to throw a smaller student out a second-floor window (this comes from one of the best of the biographies, the brand-new “Trump Revealed,” by a team from The Washington Post).

Enough of Trump’s youth; now let’s hurtle through his business career. After graduating from Wharton, Trump joined his dad’s real estate business and, er, worked his way up: At about the age of 25, he was named president of Trump Management.

Unfortunately, the Trumps seemed to have a policy in some properties of not renting to blacks. “I’m not allowed to rent” to black families, a Trump building superintendent reportedly explained at the time, adding that he was just doing “what my boss told me to do.”

If a black person did make it as far as filling out an application, it was coded — in some cases, “C” for “colored” — to make sure it was not accidentally approved. The Nixon administration sued the Trumps in 1973 for breaking anti-discrimination laws.

Something similar happened with Donald Trump’s pageants. He began with the American Dream Calendar Girl Model Search, but that led to a lawsuit from a woman who said that Trump had groped her and restrained her in his daughter’s bedroom. The lawsuit also alleged that Trump had directed that “any black female contestants be excluded” from his parties. Trump denied the claims.

Time to throw in some sex, with a look now at Trump’s family life.

Melania Trump says that her husband “is intensely loyal … he will never let you down.” Then again, she’s his third wife.

His first was Ivana Trump, and he then began a dalliance with Marla Maples, culminating in a dramatic made-for-the-tabloids confrontation between the two women while they were all skiing in Aspen. The resulting divorce negotiations were bitter, with Ivana alleging in a deposition that Trump had raped her; she later backed off that.

Trump then married Maples. She in turn gave way to Melania, who may well have arrived in the States illegally (Melania Trump denies this but hasn’t furnished a convincing explanation for her immigration).

So what does all this add up to?

Whether in his youth, in his business career or in his personal life, Trump’s story is that of a shallow egoist who uses those around him.

Even as a child, he personified privilege and entitlement. In business, he proved a genius at marketing himself but grew his fortune more slowly than if he had put his wealth in a stock index fund. He made a mess of his personal life and has been repeatedly accused of racism, of cheating people, of lying, of stiffing charities.

www.nytimes.com/2016/09/11/opinion/sunday/temperatures-rise-and-were-c
ooked.html

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hillary Clinton's latest transcript, judged by her stated criteria

I also felt the need to point out her many logical fallacies, that prey on emotion.
Trump's campaign says he's given 'tens of millions' to charity, but offers no details and no proof.
www.providencejournal.com/news/20160912/trumps-campaign-says-hes-given
-tens-of-millions-to-charity-but-offers-no-details-and-no-proof

The Washington Post has called 326 charities with connections to Trump, asking if they had received a gift of the nominee's own money. Between 2008 and this May, that search turned up just one gift, from 2009. It was worth less than $10,000.

Unfortunately for Trump's Presidential qualifications, Hillary has given even more than Trump. Billions of dollars more. For some reason, Trump thinks that his playing at charity golf matches and free rounds of golf at his golf courses qualifies as giving to charity and are tax deductible. I see why he is being audited by the IRS.
www.salon.com/2016/04/16/the_charity_double_standard_partner/




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Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:53 AM

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BINGO!!!

What do we have for him Johnny?

A flaming bag-o-shit!


SGG


Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Donald Trump sure lies a lot for a guy who likes to call other people liars.




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Wednesday, September 14, 2016 6:21 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


This response pays homage to a white rapper known as Eminem:

"His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
To drop bombs, but he keeps on forgettin'
What he wrote down, the whole crowd goes so loud
He opens his mouth, but the words won't come out
He's chokin' how, everybody chokin' now
The clocks run out, time's up, over. Blow!"

And here's the relevant part to your response:

"Snap back to reality, Oh, there goes gravity
Oh, there goes Rabbit, he choked, he's so mad
But he won't give it up that easy, no, he won't have it
He knows his whole back's to the ropes, it don't matter, he's dope........"

Snap back to reality......................

Putin has stated that he did call Trump "bright," but the context that he used was bright as in attention grabbing. Besides, Putin is as cunning as
a Fox (no pun intended). As a former KGB agent, he knows that psychological
warfare is an important element of keeping your enemies off balance.
To Putin, distracting Trump must seem like child's play. All he need do is stroke that tremendous ego and viola. Yep, Trump is a willing victim. A mouse in a maze.


SGG



Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow SECOND, the cornerstone of your video about how Trump lies repeats a lie about Trump's "relationship" with Putin? A snippet, repeated, context-free (which is how almost everything Trump says is reported)? The explanation, per Trump, is that Putin is interested in what's going on with Trump.

It's not that they have a "relationship" relationship, it's just that they happen to both be in politics, and Trump would like to think that Putin pays attention to him. And in fact, Putin probably pays attention to both Hillary AND Trump but that's something we'll never know for sure.

Except you and your vlogger, who knows everything for sure.



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When it comes to rebutting Donald Trump’s observation that Vladimir Putin is a strong leader — “far more than our president has been a leader” — it is hard to top the assessment of Russian-born Garry Kasparov, the former world chess champion, which The Times’ Andrew Higgins quoted in his story from Moscow: “Vladimir Putin is a strong leader in the same way that arsenic is a strong drink. Praising a brutal KGB dictator, especially as preferable to a democratically elected U.S. president, whether you like Obama or hate him, is dangerous.”

Indeed, Kasparov’s point cuts to the core of what is so scary about a Trump presidency: Trump is what The Economist has called “the leading exponent of ‘post-truth’ politics — a reliance on assertions that ‘feel true’ but have no basis in fact,” and, sadly, “his brazenness is not punished, but taken as evidence of his willingness to stand up to elite power.” When politics becomes “like pro-wrestling,” society pays a huge cost, The Economist added, because any complex explanation of any problem is dismissed.

So Trump just skips from blaming Mexican immigrants for high murder rates, to President Barack Obama for inventing ISIS, to China for creating the concept of global warming, to thousands of Muslims in New Jersey for celebrating 9/11, to Obama for really having been born in Kenya, to an IRS audit for preventing him from showing us his tax returns — which would probably show that he paid no taxes.

Every word of it is a lie that most in his own party won’t call out. Can you imagine the damage Trump could do to the fabric of our democracy if he had the White House pulpit from which to preach his post-truth politics — how it would filter down into public discourse at large and infect every policy debate?

Donald Trump has not only brought haters into the mainstream, he has normalized hate for a much broader swathe of the population who were perhaps already disaffected but had their grievances and latent prejudices held in check by social norms. This isn’t some minor point or critique. It’s a fundamental part of what is at stake in this election, what makes it different from Obama v. Romney.
. . . continues at www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/opinion/donald-trumps-putin-crush.html


www.gocomics.com/nickanderson/2016/09/14

www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2016/09/14

http://amzn.to/1UOeDSN

http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-14

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Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:50 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Indeed, Kasparov’s point cuts to the core of what is so scary about a Trump presidency: Trump is what The Economist has called “the leading exponent of ‘post-truth’ politics — a reliance on assertions that ‘feel true’ but have no basis in fact,” and, sadly, “his brazenness is not punished, but taken as evidence of his willingness to stand up to elite power.”
Guilt by association

Quote:
When politics becomes “like pro-wrestling,” society pays a huge cost, The Economist added, because any complex explanation of any problem is dismissed.
Complex explanations have been dismissed for YEARS. There was no complexity in the discussion about why we "needed" to destroy Yugoslavia, invade Panama, Afghanistan, and Iraq, destroy Libya, overturn Assad and depose Yanukovich.

The chickens have come how to roost. The Economist is crying into its beer, not because "the truth" has been destroyed but because its brand of lies has lost center stage. Look at all of the lies told to us about the economy and about war abroad. Look at all the shit that was shoveled on anyone who DARED question Hillary's health. Jeezus H Christmas, didn't you notice all of the lies before? NOW suddenly you decide that you're going to get on your hind legs about the fact that Trump lies???

People are sick of being lied to by the establishment. Unfortunately, that leaves them susceptible to a different kind of lie.

We need some real critical thinking going on. And there's precious little of that going on over here....


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Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:00 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


TRUMP WILL NOT RELEASE THE RESULTS OF HIS PHYSICAL ON THE DR OZ SHOW.

There's probably more than one thing in his bloodwork ... high sugar, high cholesterol, high liver enzymes ... that doesn't look good.

SO now we get to be like Kremlinologists, and try to figure out what's wrong by figuring out what's missing.

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Quote:
SIG

People are sick of being lied to by the establishment. Unfortunately, that leaves them susceptible to a different kind of lie. The chickens have come how to roost. The Economist is crying into its beer, not because "the truth" has been destroyed but because its brand of lies has lost center stage. All you have to do is look at how the market behaves: the worse the economic data the higher the stock prices go.


Shit SIG can't you get anything right? You keep blaming the wrong people for mistakes made in this country and show poor judgement in your claims of who is best qualified to move this country forward.

Add to that your judgement that Russian policies are best for the world and you show yourself to be completely void of intelligence. I would add the Russian economy is in the tank.


Family Incomes Rise

A surge in U.S. incomes last year delivered the first significant raise for the typical family after seven years of stagnant and declining earnings, the result of sustained job growth finally lifting a broad swath of American households.

The median household income -- the level at which half are above and half are below -- rose 5.2%, or $2,798, to $56,516, from a year earlier, after adjusting for inflation, the Census Bureau said Tuesday.

The increase was the largest annual gain recorded since the yearly survey of incomes began in 1967, though it didn't fully close the gap left by last decade's recessions. Median household incomes stood 1.6% shy of the 2007 level, before the last recession took its toll, and 2.4% below the all-time high reached in 1999.

The figures show how several years of robust employment growth, including 2.4 million people who gained full-time work last year, helped regain ground lost after an especially wrenching downturn, particularly for lower-income households. Longer hours, higher wages and lower inflation also have contributed to the improvement.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/09/14/family-incomes-rise-afte
r-lull.html


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SO now we get to be like Kremlinologists, and try to figure out what's wrong by figuring out what's missing.
See if you can figure out what Trump will do. I think Trump's answer will be obvious from many years of experience and many lawsuits filed against him:

Crowdfunding campaign will donate $6 million to veterans groups if Trump releases his tax returns
A Silicon Valley billionaire just raised the stakes with a $5 million pledge.

www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/74424/mr-trump-we-challenge-you-release-you
r-tax-returns-and-well-donate-to-these-veterans-organizations


A 26-year-old Marine Corps veteran has launched a crowdfunding campaign that he says will donate $6 million to veterans organizations if Donald Trump releases his tax returns.

The campaign, which was launched Friday on the crowdfunding website CrowdPac, was created by Peter Kiernan in response to frustration at the Republican presidential nominee's lack of transparency. Kiernan, a veteran who fought in the war in Afghanistan, selected 10 veterans groups for donations. "Trump claims to love veterans, and so we’re asking him to put his money where his mouth is," Kiernan wrote on the campaign's Web page. Trump has claimed that he has donated $6 million to veterans groups in the past.

Kiernan's campaign got a huge boost Monday when Reid Hoffman, co-founder of LinkedIn and CrowdPac investor, pledged to donate $5 million if the campaign is able to raise $1 million in donations. In a letter Hoffman penned on Medium, the investor wrote that Trump has skirted his obligation to the American people by refusing to release his taxes. "The ingenuity of Kiernan’s proposal is how it gives Trump a strong incentive to act but doesn’t reward him directly for something he should have already done," he added.

Hoffman chose $5 million as the donation in reference to a similar proposal that Trump made in 2012 in which he promised to donate the same amount to charity if President Obama released his college and passport applications and records. Obama did, Trump didn’t, because he said he wasn’t satisfied with Obama’s response. Although Trump later claimed he did contribute to charity, except he didn’t and he says you can’t prove he didn’t as he laughs at you suckers.



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SHINYGOODGUY


His body language tells me he's hiding something.


SGG


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
TRUMP WILL NOT RELEASE THE RESULTS OF HIS PHYSICAL ON THE DR OZ SHOW.

There's probably more than one thing in his bloodwork ... high sugar, high cholesterol, high liver enzymes ... that doesn't look good.

SO now we get to be like Kremlinologists, and try to figure out what's wrong by figuring out what's missing.

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Good points THGRRI,

And here you have the Donald calling Obama is terrible leader, a weakling and terrible negotiator.

Hey, I just figured it out. Everything that Trumps says is the opposite.
Bad is Good, Up is down, kissing your daughter - What? everybody does it,
poor health is excellent and greatest for a man of 70.

Wait.........I'm confused. What was that middle one again?


SGG


Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:
SIG

People are sick of being lied to by the establishment. Unfortunately, that leaves them susceptible to a different kind of lie. The chickens have come how to roost. The Economist is crying into its beer, not because "the truth" has been destroyed but because its brand of lies has lost center stage. All you have to do is look at how the market behaves: the worse the economic data the higher the stock prices go.


Shit SIG can't you get anything right? You keep blaming the wrong people for mistakes made in this country and show poor judgement in your claims of who is best qualified to move this country forward.

Add to that your judgement that Russian policies are best for the world and you show yourself to be completely void of intelligence. I would add the Russian economy is in the tank.


Family Incomes Rise

A surge in U.S. incomes last year delivered the first significant raise for the typical family after seven years of stagnant and declining earnings, the result of sustained job growth finally lifting a broad swath of American households.

The median household income -- the level at which half are above and half are below -- rose 5.2%, or $2,798, to $56,516, from a year earlier, after adjusting for inflation, the Census Bureau said Tuesday.

The increase was the largest annual gain recorded since the yearly survey of incomes began in 1967, though it didn't fully close the gap left by last decade's recessions. Median household incomes stood 1.6% shy of the 2007 level, before the last recession took its toll, and 2.4% below the all-time high reached in 1999.

The figures show how several years of robust employment growth, including 2.4 million people who gained full-time work last year, helped regain ground lost after an especially wrenching downturn, particularly for lower-income households. Longer hours, higher wages and lower inflation also have contributed to the improvement.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/09/14/family-incomes-rise-afte
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Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:31 AM

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This just in, Trump is a RINO!

Film at 11.


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Trump promotes oil and gas ideas that industry insiders call ‘completely nuts.’
Houston Chronicle editorial, Sept 15, 2016
www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/A-dry-hole-9223632
.php

When Murray Energy CEO, Bob Murray, met with Donald Trump and told him to advocate for more LNG exports, Trump’s response was “What’s LNG?”

Talk about your dry holes.

As any Houstonian knows, LNG, or liquified natural gas, is how energy companies move natural gas across the globe. The fracking revolution has transformed the energy landscape from one of scarcity into surplus, and now the United States has begun to export LNG instead of importing it. This change in energy markets is one of the most important turning points in contemporary geopolitics.

Since his display of LNG ignorance, Trump has done essentially nothing to educate himself about one of the leading energy and geopolitical issues that will come across the president’s desk. He’s flip-flopped on fracking bans. His calls for a trade war would undermine the petroleum industry’s long-fought battle to export crude oil and LNG. And he has proposed a bizarre tax on profits from the Keystone XL pipeline, which would not only be an illegal taking from oil companies but would also unconstitutionally abrogate Congress’ exclusive authority to levy taxes.

“You’re not building a high-rise here and getting shaken down by the local union for a donation to the pension fund — you’re building a major pipeline through the U.S.,” Politico reporter Eric Wolff quoted one oil industry lobbyist. “Something like this is a deterrent on pipeline investment. It’s not taken seriously, because it’s just completely nuts.”

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This just in, Trump is a RINO!

Film at 11.


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If you really want to understand Trump think Roger Rabbit. Trump is a TOON.

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And more news about his charitable contributions, charitable to whom......

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-records-shed-light-on-donal
d-trump%E2%80%99s-dollar25000-gift-to-florida-official/ar-BBwaxUi?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartandhp


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Quote:
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SO now we get to be like Kremlinologists, and try to figure out what's wrong by figuring out what's missing.
See if you can figure out what Trump will do. I think Trump's answer will be obvious from many years of experience and many lawsuits filed against him:

Crowdfunding campaign will donate $6 million to veterans groups if Trump releases his tax returns
A Silicon Valley billionaire just raised the stakes with a $5 million pledge.

www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/74424/mr-trump-we-challenge-you-release-you
r-tax-returns-and-well-donate-to-these-veterans-organizations


A 26-year-old Marine Corps veteran has launched a crowdfunding campaign that he says will donate $6 million to veterans organizations if Donald Trump releases his tax returns.

The campaign, which was launched Friday on the crowdfunding website CrowdPac, was created by Peter Kiernan in response to frustration at the Republican presidential nominee's lack of transparency. Kiernan, a veteran who fought in the war in Afghanistan, selected 10 veterans groups for donations. "Trump claims to love veterans, and so we’re asking him to put his money where his mouth is," Kiernan wrote on the campaign's Web page. Trump has claimed that he has donated $6 million to veterans groups in the past.

Kiernan's campaign got a huge boost Monday when Reid Hoffman, co-founder of LinkedIn and CrowdPac investor, pledged to donate $5 million if the campaign is able to raise $1 million in donations. In a letter Hoffman penned on Medium, the investor wrote that Trump has skirted his obligation to the American people by refusing to release his taxes. "The ingenuity of Kiernan’s proposal is how it gives Trump a strong incentive to act but doesn’t reward him directly for something he should have already done," he added.

Hoffman chose $5 million as the donation in reference to a similar proposal that Trump made in 2012 in which he promised to donate the same amount to charity if President Obama released his college and passport applications and records. Obama did, Trump didn’t, because he said he wasn’t satisfied with Obama’s response. Although Trump later claimed he did contribute to charity, except he didn’t and he says you can’t prove he didn’t as he laughs at you suckers.



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Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

If you really want to understand Trump think Roger Rabbit. Trump is a TOON.
I disagree.

When Reality Turned Inside Out
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-o
ut

Do you remember way—-way—-way—back in July, when the public thought Trump was the candidate they couldn’t trust with the nuclear arsenal? That was before we realized he could moderate his personality on command, as he is doing now. We’re about to enter our fifth consecutive week of Trump doing more outreach than outrage.

It turns out that Trump’s base personality is “winning.” Everything else he does is designed to get that result. He needed to be loud and outrageous in the primaries, so he was. He needs to be presidential in this phase of the election cycle, so he is.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has revealed herself to be frail, medicated, and probably duplicitous about her health. We also hear reports that she’s a drinker with a bad temper. Suddenly, Clinton looks like the unstable personality in this race. Who do you want controlling the nuclear arsenal now?

You probably thought Trump was the bigot in this contest, until Clinton called half of Trump’s supporters a “basket of deplorables.” That’s the point at which observers started to see a pattern. Trump has been consistently supportive of American citizens of all types – with the exception of the press and his political opponents. The main targets of Trump’s rhetoric are the nations that compete against us. In stark contrast, Clinton turned her hate on American citizens. That’s the real kind of hate. Trump is more about keeping America safe and competing effectively in the world. That is literally the job of president.

Trump was once the candidate that the LGBTQ community found easy to hate. Then it turned out that Trump is the loudest voice for protecting America against the anti-gay ideology that Clinton would increase in this country via immigration. At the GOP convention, Republicans stood and applauded Trump’s full-throated support of the LGBTQ community. While Clinton was talking about a better society, Trump was transforming the Republican Party into one. (Yes, I know there is more to do.)

You might remember a few months ago when Clinton had lots of policy details and Trump had few. Clinton still holds the lead in the number of bullet-points-per-policy, but while she rests, Trump has been rolling out policy details on one topic after another. Perception-wise, the optics of “who has policy details” has flipped. (Reality isn’t important in this context.)

Do you remember over a year ago, when Trump first entered the race? Social media relentlessly insulted his physical appearance. They mocked his orange hair and his orange skin. They called him a clown. They called him a Cheeto. It was brutal.

But over time, Trump’s haircut improved. He softened the color to something more blonde than orange And his fake tan and TV makeup improved too. Today, if you ask a voter to name the candidate for president who “looks bad,” the answer would probably be Clinton, primarily because of her recent health issues. In our minds, Clinton went from being a stylish and energetic personality to a hospice patient dressed like a North Korean dictator at a rave.

Not long ago, you would have said Clinton was the strongest candidate for protecting citizens who need the help of social programs. Then Trump unveiled his plan for childcare and senior care. You can debate the details, and the cost, but nearly everyone recognized the idea as a critical need for working class people.

In other words, the world is turning inside-out, right in front of our eyes.

By October 1, Trump will have a 50% chance of beating Hillary, and it is all because Trump is changing his tactics while Hillary has stayed the same. I'd say there is no authentic Trump at this time and, because most voters can't remember his past, he can change into any character that will get votes. After the election we will be living with President Trump who has reverted to his baseline character of two years ago, before he was running.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now


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Thursday, September 15, 2016 1:52 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

If you really want to understand Trump think Roger Rabbit. Trump is a TOON.
I disagree.

When Reality Turned Inside Out
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-o
ut

It turns out that Trump’s base personality is “winning.” Everything else he does is designed to get that result. He needed to be loud and outrageous in the primaries, so he was. He needs to be presidential in this phase of the election cycle, so he is.



It's not Trumps personality that's winning. It's the protest vote by Americans whose jobs have gone overseas that's keeping a TOON character like Trump in the race. It's the Rust Belt and Appellation voters who have nothing left to lose, and who don't care how unqualified Trump is that keeping the race close. It's the White voter without an education who lost his good paying manufacturing job that is voting for Trump. This is a form of payback to the Clintons and all those like them( the other 17 Republican candidate's, to name a few )who are responsible. It's not that difficult to understand and is the only thing that makes any sense.

Don't let yourself be distracted by subjective posts like those of kiki and SIG. They post untruths meant to sway and confuse opinions which helps them control the narrative.

That said I think you are doing good works in exposing Trump for the derelict he is.

Quote Elisabeth Warren.

"I believe that Donald taps into a deep anger that the American people feel and rightly feel," Warren told CNBC. "I think people all across this country understand what's broken about this economy, what's broken about this country, that we now have a Washington that works for those who can hire armies of lobbyists and lawyers but its not working for the rest of America. The problem is that Donald Trump will just take us in the wrong direction."
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http://qz.com/782362/at-a-church-in-flint-michigan-pastor-faith-green-
timmons-politely-shut-down-donald-trumps-politicking-then-he-lied-about-it-and-called-her-a-nervous-mess/

As he is wont to do, Trump turned what should have been an innocuous visit to a church into a major problem.

Trump was invited by Pastor Faith Green Timmons to Bethel United Methodist Church in Flint, Michigan, to speak about the city and its water crisis that has exposed thousands of children to high levels of lead in their drinking water. Trump was supposed to focus his remarks on Flint, Timmons has said, not on his opponent, Hillary Clinton.

So when Trump launched into his usual talking points and attacked Hillary Clinton, Timmons approached the podium and asked him to stop.

The pastor of the church politely asked Trump to stop politicking from the pulpit. The next morning, Trump went on television, called her a “nervous mess,” and then told a very different version of events from the one that journalists in the room are saying and video of the incident indicates.

Judging by that video, if there was a nervous person in the exchange, it was Trump, not the pastor. This appears to be a textbook case of projection, a psychological impulse common in bullies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Friday, September 16, 2016 4:07 AM

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I know that the pastor was just trying to be a good Christian by offering the "other cheek" and giving him the opportunity to turn his attitude around
regarding the black community.

Sorry to say (to the pastor that is) that this had disaster written all over it. Trump was totally docile in front of the congregation, but then badmouths
the pastor, in the more friendly confines of Fox News, after being scolded by her in front of the disinterested crowd.

There's so much wrong with this visit, but he blew it Big Time!


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Give it time, he will come full circle.


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He's also started a war of words with Ford Car Company, since they announced
moving their small cars production to Mexico.

Trump sprang into action, but, as usual he spoke without checking his facts.
Turns out that Ford is looking to bring SUV and truck production to Michigan.
No one will be losing their jobs.


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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump promotes oil and gas ideas that industry insiders call ‘completely nuts.’
Houston Chronicle editorial, Sept 15, 2016
www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/A-dry-hole-9223632
.php

When Murray Energy CEO, Bob Murray, met with Donald Trump and told him to advocate for more LNG exports, Trump’s response was “What’s LNG?”

Talk about your dry holes.

As any Houstonian knows, LNG, or liquified natural gas, is how energy companies move natural gas across the globe. The fracking revolution has transformed the energy landscape from one of scarcity into surplus, and now the United States has begun to export LNG instead of importing it. This change in energy markets is one of the most important turning points in contemporary geopolitics.

Since his display of LNG ignorance, Trump has done essentially nothing to educate himself about one of the leading energy and geopolitical issues that will come across the president’s desk. He’s flip-flopped on fracking bans. His calls for a trade war would undermine the petroleum industry’s long-fought battle to export crude oil and LNG. And he has proposed a bizarre tax on profits from the Keystone XL pipeline, which would not only be an illegal taking from oil companies but would also unconstitutionally abrogate Congress’ exclusive authority to levy taxes.

“You’re not building a high-rise here and getting shaken down by the local union for a donation to the pension fund — you’re building a major pipeline through the U.S.,” Politico reporter Eric Wolff quoted one oil industry lobbyist. “Something like this is a deterrent on pipeline investment. It’s not taken seriously, because it’s just completely nuts.”

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Donald Trump has not only brought haters into the mainstream, he has normalized hate for a much broader swathe of the population who were perhaps already disaffected but had their grievances and latent prejudices held in check by social norms. This isn’t some minor point or critique. It’s a fundamental part of what is at stake in this election, what makes it different from Obama v. Romney.


So true. He has emboldened the haters and given them permission to "express"
themselves and "knocking the crap" out of those who are different. There has been a recent rash of hate-related crimes that the media glosses over. The most recent is the Florida mosque that was burned down. In New York, an Iman and a innocent bystander were executed by a coward who shot them from behind
in the head.

These are premeditated assaults, all thanks to Trump's rhetoric.


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Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Trump sprang into action, but, as usual he spoke without checking his facts.
Turns out that Ford is looking to bring SUV and truck production to Michigan.
No one will be losing their jobs.
Everything is the worst it has every been in history, but Trump will Make America Great Again.
www.gocomics.com/nickanderson/2016/09/16

For the next 8 years I am going to pin every one of President Trump’s disasters on the Texans I know who vote for him. They will tell me their vote and will be so proud that they backed the winner. I did the same with Bush’s voters. They started denying they ever voted for Bush, but I reminded them.

Anybody could predict what a disaster President Bush would be if they knew what Governor Bush had done in Texas and ignored his false campaign promises. Anybody can predict what a disaster President Trump will be if they can remember the last 30 years of Trump history rather than his most recent promises, which are very likely to all be false.

Every day, in every way, Trump is doing better and better.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrp
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What Do Donald Trump's Medical Records Really Say?



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In this surreal election season, there is no past. As Mr Universe would say. "There is only the sensory overload of an age of numbingly ephemeral social media."

Trump never goes on the defensive. He merely creates new Trumps. Hence:

(1) The African-American blitz. It’s a new pose and the novelty shows.
But, as every living commentator has noted, the foray into African-American precincts was not aimed at winning black votes but at countering Trump’s general image as the bigoted candidate of white people.

(2) The immigration wobble. A week of nonstop word salad about illegal immigration left everyone confused about what Trump really believes. Genius. The only message to emerge from the rhetorical fog is that he is done talking about deportation and/or legalization. The very discussion is off the table until years down the road.

Case closed. Toxic issue detoxified.

Again, that’s not going to win him the Hispanic vote. But that wasn’t the point. The point was to soften his image in the Philadelphia suburbs, pundit shorthand for white college-educated women that Republicans have to win (and where Trump trails Romney 2012 by 10 points). Which brings us to:

(3) The blockbuster childcare proposal. Unveiled Tuesday, it is liberalism at its best, Big Government at its biggest: tax deductions, tax rebates (i.e. cash), and a federal mandate of six weeks of paid maternity leave. The biggest entitlement since, well, Obamacare.

But wait. Didn’t Trump’s acolytes assure us that he spoke for those betrayed by the sold-out, elitist, GOP establishment that for years refused to stand up to Obama’s overweening mandates, Big Government profligacy and budget-busting entitlements?

No matter. That was yesterday. There is no past. Nor a future — at least for Ivankacare. It would never get through the GOP House.

Nor is it meant to. It is meant to signal what George H. W. Bush once memorably read off a cue card. “Message: I care.” Really, Trump doesn't care, but does he care enough to care whether you figure that out? Not really. Can’t get more transparent than that. Or shameless. Or brilliant.

And it’s working.

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I can now add example number (4) to Trump's trickery in making himself appear more acceptable to white college-educated women:

Today Trump said on CNN: "Back in 2008, Hillary Clinton started the birther controversy. I finished it. President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period."

CNN’s Berman says the Hillary Clinton slur is an "untruth." CNN’s John King: "We got played." CNN’s Tapper: "Factually false." They still can't bring themselves to use the word "lie." The white college-educated women potentially voting for Trump won't know that Trump lied to them because CNN won't say the word.

Trump’s Birtherism (Obama born in Kenya) is a racist smear and a lie. And yet Trump has been repeating it for literally years. As recently as last night. If someone says for years that blacks have smaller brains and are only fit for menial labor or that Jews are parasites and greedy by nature and then finally says "Okay, maybe not, I'm not gonna say that anymore", who cares? If such racist agitation is ever to be forgiven it's only with a true recantation and apology and an explanation of why that person said and did such terrible things for so long.

Birtherism isn't just not true. It's conscious and deliberate racist agitation. Trump's been doing that for years. Trump saying "Back in 2008, Hillary Clinton started the birther controversy. I finished it. President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period." Period, my ass, Trump.



By Monday I expect another big increase in Trump's chances of winning because white college-educated women can't understand Trump has blatantly lied to them today about Hillary being the origin of Birtherism, not Trump. He knows there is a sucker born every minute.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrp
romo#now


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Trump has spent years and years and years claiming that the president *MUST* be hiding something, otherwise he'd show his birth certificate (which he has shown). The logic is that, since Obama wouldn't show his certificate, it had to be because he has something to hide.

So tell me again why Trump keeps refusing to release his tax returns and his medical records...

There's a very basic rule in politics: If the information in such a record will HELP you, you release it. If it will HURT your campaign, you hem and haw and refuse to release that information - exactly the steps that Trump has taken.

Hillary has released her tax returns for the last 38 years. She has released more than 50,000 e-mails. How many has Trump released of either?

He's hiding something, folks. His own words prove it.

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:

If someone says for years that blacks have smaller brains and are only fit for menial labor or that Jews are parasites and greedy by nature and then finally says "Okay, maybe not, I'm not gonna say that anymore", who cares? If such racist agitation is ever to be forgiven it's only with a true recantation and apology and an explanation of why that person said and did such terrible things for so long.



That's a reference to his son's appearances on neo-Nazi radio shows and websites, and his continued sharing of alt-right neo-Nazi and white supremacist imagery, isn't it?

Which son is that, anyway? Uday or Qusay?

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Quote:
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Seriously - if he's elected we deserve him, like some kind of national death wish.
Half of all Americans have serious problems and Trump has quick and easy solutions. He is like one of those internet based loan companies, but some Americans aren't reading Trump's terms and conditions because they want a solution immediately. Once they get a 4 year loan from Trump, their problems will grow with mathematical precision at a compound interest rate of 375% per year. But at least Trump will be doing fine! And isn't that what's most important? www.plaingreenloans.com

Here are a few of Trump's terms and conditions. More will be revealed over the next 4 to 8 years of his Presidency:

Trump once again “jokes” about someone murdering Hillary Clinton

video at
www.vox.com/2016/9/16/12949204/trump-jokes-clinton-assassination

Some other things Trump did Friday:

Lied to the press about the nature of his event at the Trump Hotel in Washington to garner 25 minutes of free airtime, turning the press conference into an infomercial for his hotel.

Lied on stage about the origins of birther conspiracy theories.

Offered two different versions of the third version of his tax plan, with a minor $1 trillion difference between them. A few hours after Donald J. Trump publicly backed away from a $1 trillion tax cut for small businesses, campaign aides privately assured a leading small-business group that Mr. Trump in fact remained committed to the proposal — winning the group’s endorsement.
www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/trump-tax-plan.html

Walked away from a years-long pledge to donate $5 million to charity if anyone could prove Obama’s citizenship.

Attacked Hillary Clinton for supporting wars he also supported.

Did he “joke” about someone shooting Clinton as part of a deliberate effort to rile people up and distract attention from the birther controversy or the fact that his economic plan makes no sense?

The trailer for The Sociopath is here. The movie about Trump’s campaign is to be released roughly three weeks before Election Day (Nov. 8).
http://qz.com/783330/watch-a-movie-trailer-about-donald-trumps-campaig
n-done-in-the-style-of-the-social-network/


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Donald Trump's Trillion-Dollar Lie
http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/09/donald-trumps-trillion-dol
lar-lie

I come bearing good news. But first, we have to get a little technical. I promise it won't hurt a bit.

Many corporations are "pass-through" entities. Mostly these are partnerships and small businesses, and they aren't taxed on their profits. Instead, the profits are passed through to the business owners, who pay ordinary personal income tax on it. Donald Trump, for example, owns hundreds of separate businesses under the umbrella of the Trump Organization, and most of them are pass-throughs. All the profits go to Trump.

So how should these businesses be handled? In the tax proposal Trump unveiled last year, pass-throughs would be taxed at a low 15 percent rate. This is a huge tax cut for rich business owners—like Donald Trump—since their personal tax rate can be as high as 33 percent. A corporate rate of 15 percent combined with a zero percent personal rate represents a huge tax cut.

But that was then. Earlier this week Trump unveiled a shiny new tax plan. How does it handle pass-throughs? As usual, details are hard to come by in Trumpland, but he told the Tax Foundation that he had decided to eliminate the tax cut. They took him at his word and concluded that his new tax plan would cost $4.4 trillion.

But Trump told the National Federation of Independent Business that he was keeping the tax cut. They also took him at his word and gave him their support. So which is it? Binyamin Appelbaum investigates:

Call it the trillion-dollar lie: Both assertions cannot be true.

....Steven Mnuchin, Mr. Trump’s finance chairman, said Friday that the campaign’s tax plan had not changed at any point on Thursday....“The intent of the plan is that big and small businesses have tax relief,” he said. He declined to comment on the conflicting accounts provided by the two groups.

So what's the good news in all this? Here it is: Appelbaum called it a lie. That may be a bit rude, but it's the most accurate way of characterizing what happened. Trump has been working on this plan for months and clearly has some idea of exactly how he plans to handle pass-through businesses. But he told business owners one thing and a tax scoring group another. What else would you call this?

Why a Donald Trump Victory Could Make Climate Catastrophe Inevitable
http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2016/09/donald-trump-brexit-paris
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Saturday, September 17, 2016 6:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


There's a 15% odds gap between Donald and Hillary. Not entirely insurmountable, but not likely.

The question is - why does Hillary keep bleeding support? What could be done to staunch, or even reverse, the trend?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/15/business/economy/census-poverty-inco
me-donald-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The eye-popping improvement in economic fortunes last year raises the question: If incomes are up and poverty is down, why is Donald J. Trump’s message of economic decay resonating so broadly?

The answer is in plain sight. While the economy finally is moving in the right direction, the real incomes of most American households still are smaller than in the late 1990s. And large swaths of the country — rural America, industrial centers in the Rust Belt and Appalachia — are lagging behind. That bleak reality helps to explain why the good news the Census Bureau issued Tuesday about a rise in household income was greeted gleefully by economists but is unlikely to change the complexion of the presidential race.

The economic dislocations of recent decades may be contributing to the polarization of the electorate, according to research by David Autor, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In a new paper, Mr. Autor and three co-authors found that voting patterns had shifted most in the parts of the country that lost the most jobs as a result of increased trade with China. The study, which focused on congressional elections, found that voters in districts with heavy job losses have tended toward ideological extremes, replacing moderates with more conservative or liberal representatives. “There is this undercurrent of economically driven dissatisfaction that works to the benefit of candidates who are noncentrist, and particularly right-wing candidates,” Mr. Autor said.

Last year, household incomes rose strongly, especially among those in lower income brackets. But looking at changes in income over a longer period, Americans in the bottom half were still well below where they stood at the turn of the century even as those at the top chalked up significant gains.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I's also like to add - the fact that economic good news exists as isolated pockets, mostly in metropolitan areas and mostly among college graduates - that are surrounded by vast numbers of declining counties, states, and entire multi-state regions: ie people - also explains why the democrats will continue to lose congress and governorships.

BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE FAILED TO ADDRESS THE ECONOMIC PLIGHT OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ... while the party elite are on their way to personal, third-way, enrichment.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:49 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I's also like to add - the fact that economic good news exists as isolated pockets, mostly in metropolitan areas and mostly among college graduates - that are surrounded by vast numbers of declining counties, states, and entire multi-state regions: ie people - also explains why the democrats will continue to lose congress and governorships.

BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE FAILED TO ADDRESS THE ECONOMIC PLIGHT OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ... while the party elite are on their way to personal, third-way, enrichment.


The problem with your perspective is it implies that the Democrats are responsible and the Republicans are not comrade.

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Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The problem with your perspective is it implies that the Democrats are responsible and the Republicans are not ...


Actually, no it doesn't. What democrats ARE responsible for is not ADDRESSING the economy of ordinary Americans as prominent part of the campaign. And the party's campaign focus (ie not on the economy) is why Bernie got so many votes where they count most - among independents - in the primaries. (As I clearly stated in my post: 'BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE FAILED TO ADDRESS THE ECONOMIC PLIGHT OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ...')

Clinton and the democratic party SHOULD have taken a lesson from that. If not, they SHOULD be taking a lesson from the demographics where Clinton is bleeding support and Trump is gaining.

Assuming democrats want to be a relevant party at all levels of government and across the country. Or, they could just cede Congress and the governorships permanently, and content themselves with the presidency.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:31 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Let me ask you a question: who the fuck started the Sequester? Who has been foolishly fucking investigating Benfuckingghazi forever.......what is it? 11, 12, 14 times? Wasn't it Ted Cruz that caused the government to lose $24 Billion in one day.......?

Fuck I'm so pissed that I can't think of more off the top of my head?

So who the fuck gives a shit about the little guy again?

Who the fuck has been luxuriating these past few years while the president goes it alone in running the country?

Who the fuck has put every obstacle possible so as to slow down business and the economy at all costs?

Who the fuck has turned this economy around despite that deliberate blockage?

Where is the economy now, hmmmmmm, WHERE???? Tell me, where the fuck!?

Tell me again how the Disgusting motherfuckers called Republicans had anything positive for anyone in this country?

Who the fuck had the fucking nerve to call McCain a loser........the fucking
same scumbag who calls anyone of color rapists, murderers and thieves. Fuck him and the fucking broomstick he rode on.

The Devil is alive and well and his name is Trump, Dickhead Trump!


SGG




Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The problem with your perspective is it implies that the Democrats are responsible and the Republicans are not ...


Actually, no it doesn't. What democrats ARE responsible for is not ADDRESSING the economy of ordinary Americans as prominent part of the campaign. And the party's campaign focus (ie not on the economy) is why Bernie got so many votes where they count most - among independents - in the primaries. (As I clearly stated in my post: 'BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE FAILED TO ADDRESS THE ECONOMIC PLIGHT OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ...')

Clinton and the democratic party SHOULD have taken a lesson from that. If not, they SHOULD be taking a lesson from the demographics where Clinton is bleeding support and Trump is gaining.

Assuming democrats want to be a relevant party at all levels of government and across the country. Or, they could just cede Congress and the governorships permanently, and content themselves with the presidency.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:35 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Get a job!

Fucking repubs have fucked this country in the ass, but good!

At every turn they have blocked and stalled the economy, wake the fuck up!

They are the REAL motherfuckers, no one else!!!!

So fuck that bullshit!!!

You guys actually believe that lying sack of shit! Boy are you guys far gone, way up in his ass. You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you smack in the middle of your pasty face!


SGG


Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I's also like to add - the fact that economic good news exists as isolated pockets, mostly in metropolitan areas and mostly among college graduates - that are surrounded by vast numbers of declining counties, states, and entire multi-state regions: ie people - also explains why the democrats will continue to lose congress and governorships.

BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE FAILED TO ADDRESS THE ECONOMIC PLIGHT OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ... while the party elite are on their way to personal, third-way, enrichment.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:22 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So who the fuck gives a shit about the little guy again?

Yanno, at least Trump is TALKING about it. Unlike Hillary and the DNC who have to pretend that Obama's recovery has been fantastic. Which is why they won't say anything at all.

So, what in YOUR opinion could Clinton do to improve her numbers with the people who are economically hurting, and who have no relief in sight?

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, September 18, 2016 7:18 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
The problem with your perspective is it implies that the Democrats are responsible and the Republicans are not ...


Actually, no it doesn't. What democrats ARE responsible for is not ADDRESSING the economy of ordinary Americans as prominent part of the campaign. And the party's campaign focus (ie not on the economy) is why Bernie got so many votes where they count most - among independents - in the primaries. (As I clearly stated in my post: 'BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE FAILED TO ADDRESS THE ECONOMIC PLIGHT OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ...')

Clinton and the democratic party SHOULD have taken a lesson from that. If not, they SHOULD be taking a lesson from the demographics where Clinton is bleeding support and Trump is gaining.

Assuming democrats want to be a relevant party at all levels of government and across the country. Or, they could just cede Congress and the governorships permanently, and content themselves with the presidency.
Bernie was making promises he has no idea how he would pay for. The promises were very appealing to anyone (students, the young, jobless, 1kiki's "Independents") who would not be paying income tax for Bernie’s big promises. Trump takes promise-making to a higher level than Bernie would ever dare.

The typical way Republican politicians run a campaign is to make false promises that they cannot deliver with the methods they will be using, which are tax-cuts, tariffs and deregulation. For example of one Republican, Trump promises many jobs once he brings manufacturing back from overseas with his new tariffs. And it will be so very easy for Trump, he promises. You can depend on his promises because he keeps them. That is why he has been sued only a few thousand times rather than millions of times. Because he keeps his promises. (No, he does not. He is the least classy liar the GOP ever ran for President.)

A serious politician, FDR for a great example, did not make Trump-like wild promises of all your dreams coming true. FDR used many different ways to bring back the US economy after Republican Pres. Herbert Hoover could do nothing about the Great Depression. None of FDR’s methods were the Republicans’ preferential tax-cuts for the wealthy or tariff increases on imports or deregulation like Trump is promising. Truthfully, FDR could only move the economy slowly until the increased borrowing of WWII finally saved the US economy. That war saved FDR from being kicked out of office for not turning around the economy fast enough to please Trump, the man who promises he can improve the economy so much faster and so much easier because he is so much smarter than any Democrat that ever existed, including FDR.

To ram the point home: Trump is a promise-making-machine. He can make more promises in an hour than any truthful politician would make in a month. And Trump forgets his promises as fast as he makes them, so there is no need for him to figure out the details of living with his promises. The promises are his sales pitch, while details would just slow down his political rally. Unfortunately, thousands of people have sued Trump to get him to take his own promises seriously. But once he is President, he can’t be sued. Trump knows this. He will be depending on his immunity from lawsuits. It allows him to fearlessly make unlimited promises, completely unhinged from any reality. And certain voters love that about Trump, just like certain voters loved Bernie’s less unhinged promise-making. If only Bernie had kicked up the promises to a Trump-like level, Bernie might have been the Democrat running against Trump. But Bernie has too many scruples.

In Norway, you can browse everyone’s tax returns on the internet. Norwegian tax returns have been publicly available since the 1800s, the idea being that financial transparency is a vital part of democracy. Trump could learn a lesson.
http://qz.com/784186/in-norway-you-can-browse-everyones-tax-returns-bu
t-theres-a-good-reason-you-might-not-want-to/

Oh! I just realized that Trump did learn from Norway that transparency is vital to democracy. That's why he did NOT release his tax returns. He only promises to release, but not now, later, after he is President. Release too soon and he won't be President.

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Sunday, September 18, 2016 7:53 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


SNL parody of Trump supporter and Tea Party News Network host Scottie Nell Hughes, known for her rambling and breathless defenses of Trump’s awfulness.

The real Scottie Nell Hughes said, “You know, I have a great sense of humor. My mother loved it — she thought it was the funniest thing; she’s gonna watch it every morning.”
www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/04/03/scottie-nell-hughes-responds-to-sn
l-skit-depicting-her-as-nutjob-trump-supporter/



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