Everybody's so angry
Friday, March 3, 2006

Or at least condescending, or mean or ... to eachother. (yes the title is a play on a thread title from a little while back)

Someone doesn't like the movie and points out some flaws. Burn the heretic!!! Someone doesn't see your point of view on something . Flame them , they just must be stupid!

And of course none of this is could be your fault. It can't be that someone has a valid point that you disagree with. It couldn't be that you just didn't explain it properly. Or it couldn't be that they just misunderstood something and it certainly isn't your responsibility to make sure people are actually getting what you mean or it couldn't be that you didn't understand them, because you're never wrong, right?

No it can't be you. No, not at all.

(And no, I'm not saying I'm completely innocent here.)

No, I'm not necessarily talking about whoever is reading this... if anyone reads this.

To be clear, what I've seen over the past months is people starting to get more and more aggressive on the FF/Serenity part of the forums. In fact, it's getting to the point where it is starting to approach what goes on in the RWD threads. Or at least what went on in RWD the last time I participated.

I used to take a break from RWD by going to the other forums and calmly discuss FF with other people discussing FF. Sure, there were disagreements. But, nothing like what is going on now.

Another thing I'm seeing (and this is far more telling of the situation), is the "veteran" posters are starting to post, less and less and less. In fact, it has become the exception that I see a familiar handle on the threads that I click on. This mass exodus cannot be coincidence.

So, here's what I'm going to do (actually I've already been doing it) and I hope others will do so as well.

I'm just not going to do it anymore. I'm not going to discuss with people that use ridiculous hyperbole, condescending comments, etc.

The only thing that they'll get from me after they do such a thing, is telling them that I'm not going to discuss with them until they can "keep a civil tongue in there head." And that's it for discussing with them in that thread.

Because, quite frankly, I'm getting sick of fighting; it drains me. And I got enough crap to deal with in RL, never mind what I am now having to start to put up with in these forums.

So, I'm just not going to do it anymore. I'm not going to speak with those that try to beat people down (even if not intended).

I'm only going to talk to happy, nice people. The people that have supported me and countless others through tough times. The people that carry you when you can't crawl anymore (or at least keep you company when you are crawling or waiting for someone to carry you if they ain't strong enough to carry you )

The real Browncoats.

Because, if we can't get along with eachother, we've already lost.


Saturday, March 4, 2006 4:25 PM


Well now, it looks like I've struck a cord with people :)

Of course I'll give the benefit of the doubt to those that have proved that they think rationally. From time to time everyone has a "freak out"; we are human, we err. I'm talking more about those that do this on a regular basis or completely fly off the handle. It really is a judgement call as to where that line is, and I'm certain it isn't going to be in the same place for everyone.

Excellent! Jokes are a great idea! I try to add them in when I can, if only to possibly defuse a situation before it starts. Perhaps I should make a habit of it :)

Also, your (1) and (2) have the ring of wisdom in them :) Something that I think we should all do.

I like my 'verse shiny. If it means stepping over a few puddles, so be it. :)

I actually LOL'd when I read this. It is beautifully put :)

Perhaps this blog among the other threads that have mentioned this will start to make people aware of the problem. Then we can start to purge the negative element from our little corner of the net. After all, people tend to go away if no-one pays them any mind.

Good observation! Thinking back it does seem that that is true.

RWD == Real World Discussions. It's where all the political "discussions" go on. A little while ago it got seperated from displaying on the front page with the FF related threads as it pretty much took over.

Definitly. I left some wing commander forums because, from pretty the first post, in pretty much every thread, it was a flame war. And I got told that I was the only one taking it seriously and if I didn't like it, I should go away.

Fine, I left and they lost a developer. I found this site shortly after; it was such a breath of fresh air :)

In general, for the most part, this site is filled with nice, happy, shiny people. But, as we all know, it only takes a few to ruin it for the everybody. So, let's not let this become a problem. I would even imagine that if it only was just us starting to do this, that we'd end up having a large impact in time. At least I hope.

Saturday, March 4, 2006 12:58 PM


I agree! Some people are so mean to each other that I don't get it. I mean, we're supposed to be Browncoats and stick together, not become petty and fight with each other. What's the point of that anyway?

Oh, and just an ignorant question: what's RWD mean?

Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:58 AM


There is a lot of over-interpretation going on right now which leads to weird arguments. The whole thing feels like a competition for the best Firefly watcher.

Maybe that's part of the problem.

Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:16 AM


Hope I'm not one of the offenders!

I do make a mostly serious attempt at keeping things lighthearted. Nothing dispells bad humor like a good joke. Or a really, really bad one.

From posting on boards, I've learned a few things over the years. Been on the 'net for a good long time (since '91) and have a bit of experience. A few years back, I found two good habits.

1) If a post ticks you off or really gets you angry wether it be by their opinion or by their content, wait a little while to reply. Gives you time to think up a good joke. HA!

2) If a person is seriously attempting to tick you off or insult you, don't even respond. Not even if they're doing it to someone else. Let the thread die and let it fall off the board.

I like my 'verse shiny. If it means stepping over a few puddles, so be it. :)

Saturday, March 4, 2006 4:48 AM


I agree with you to a certain extent, it is very common for things to get out of hand, although it has become easy for me to ignore things I don't care to participate in both here and on other boards. I haven't posted much recently myself and was never that prolific, but I still visit daily. I am most interested in news of the 'verse, and have already said pretty much all I can think of about Firefly and Serenity. I do enjoy reading the stories of new recruits however, and hope that continues.

Saturday, March 4, 2006 2:05 AM


Sigmanunki, you are so right.I don't post anywhere very often,for the reasons that you mentioned.
I noticed on a lot of sites that had discussion boards that it didn't take too long for the discussions to turn into name calling and flame wars.As a result, I generally don't bother to post.
Who needs that crap

Saturday, March 4, 2006 12:06 AM


Good for you! :) Don't drop to there level, they'll only beat you with experience.


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