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TRISTAN

Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:35 PM

Just found this thread...sounds like a cool idea.

Male
35 (ouch)
Married
Insurance
Southern US
Atheist
White
Irish/French Canadian (Quebecois!)/English/tiny bif of Native American

Holding until you get back, Captain.

ELOISA

Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:51 PM

Female
26 last week
Single, wishing I wasn't
Financial textbook non-technical editor / marketing layout person / part-time novelist
London, UK
Free-thinking Protestant
White
1/4 Scottish, 3/4 Anglo-Saxon English (i.e. complete mutt made up of whoever invaded us between 500BC and 1065AD)

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Creative Writing

KJIPPO

Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:14 PM

Female
30
Attached (living with mad cartoonist)
Post doc (scientist wannabe-chemistry)
Norway
Non-religious (against anything organised)
white, or extremely white is the term (hippie I know what you mean)
Norwegian with a hint of skolte sami, sprinkled with some finnish on top

"You're my kind of stupid"

JUBELLATE

Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:25 PM

Quote:

Are you really open-minded or do you just say that? I have to ask as I have encountered a few open minded individuals who would then defend one particular religion and weren't actually interested in hearing about any others, even though they insisted they didn't follow anything.
Just curious.

religion is not logically defensible, so arguing that some are right and some are wrong is merely choosing one part of society over another. I say I'm open minded because I find every religion to be an interesting interpretation of the world.

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H.L. Mencken

THESOMNAMBULIST

Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JubelLate:
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H.L. Mencken

I love that quote!

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
So relax, it's just black folk's humor.

Like I said, I don't even like it in jest. Besides, I wasn't planning on shooting any necessary organs or anything like that.

BWARE42

Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Quote:
Originally posted by JubelLate:
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H.L. Mencken

I love that quote!

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

I've always subscribed to the theory that anything that's been thought, said, invented, or accomplished...Was done to meet women.

Time for some thrilling heroics.

SAHARA

Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:04 PM

Female
39
Widowed
Education Admin
USA
Atheist
Pale(I don't tan, I don't burn, I spontaneously combust)
Irish/Norwegian/Scottish/Welsh

Blackbird fly into the light of the dark, black night.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BWare42:
I've always subscribed to the theory that anything that's been thought, said, invented, or accomplished...Was done to meet women.

Even the stuff done by heterosexual women?

SAHARA

Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
So relax, it's just black folk's humor.

Like I said, I don't even like it in jest. Besides, I wasn't planning on shooting any necessary organs or anything like that.

So, you were going to do it politely?

Blackbird fly into the light of the dark, black night.

THESOMNAMBULIST

Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:17 PM

Quote:

I've always subscribed to the theory that anything that's been thought, said, invented, or accomplished...Was done to meet women.

Could be... Then again I meet women all the time and I've accomplished nuttin'... though maybe these days accomplishing nothing is an accomplishment in itself... you seen how stressed people are these days!?

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

SHADOWFLY

Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Male
30
Married
Associate Scientist
New York
Religions for idiots
Black

Whew Hew! Its about time! I was wondering where all the Black browncoats were!

Not many of us but we are here.

SHADOWFLY

Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Look at all the white people who like Firefly! What is this, a Klan meeting?

LOL!!! I know exactly what you mean.

Female
20
Single
Student/Receptionist
U.S.A.-Michigan
None, thanks
Black

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

Thank you so very much for being here sister!!!
Keep on flying!

CAUSAL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
[BAs one of the few black people on this forum, I can tell you that sometimes when we are surrounded by a large group of white or mostly white people, it is common for us to make jokes like this one. In most cases, no harm is meant in any way. So relax, it's just black folk's humor. /B]

With all due respect, those are not the kinds of jokes that I find to be even remotely funny. How would you feel were the situation reversed, and someone made a "joke" with the "N-word" in it? The word is such a stick of dynamite that I can't even spell it out for fear of the repercussions! So I would never use it, even in a joke, because I don't want to give the appearance of painting with too broad a brush. But that's what the "klan meeting" joke does. This type of joke is just seriously un-funny, regardless of what the intent was. Sensitivity cuts both ways.

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sahara:
So, you were going to do it politely?

Well it would hardly have any meaning if I did it impolitely. I mean here someone is coming out and hitting me with a racial and religious slur and I want to hit back, but if I do it in anger or rudely than I'm just as bad, it has to be a rational well thought out polite shooting. Hence the whole thing about waiting until in a better mood. You can't be sure you'll hit the right place if you're all riled up.

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Oh, something I should have said before:

My cousin who I've been round since literally before I was born is black, born in Africa no less, the first friend I ever had was black and I've been around enough black folk since then to know it isn't simply "black folk's humor" it's your humor, and other people's humor, but don't group black people in general with you cause it ain't true if you do that.

Let that be a lesson too: Don't stereotype even your own race because at some point someone will come around who knows that it isn't true.

DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
As one of the few black people on this forum, I can tell you that sometimes when we are surrounded by a large group of white or mostly white people, it is common for us to make jokes like this one. In most cases, no harm is meant in any way. So relax, it's just black folk's humor.

With all due respect, those are not the kinds of jokes that I find to be even remotely funny. How would you feel were the situation reversed, and someone made a "joke" with the "N-word" in it? The word is such a stick of dynamite that I can't even spell it out for fear of the repercussions! So I would never use it, even in a joke, because I don't want to give the appearance of painting with too broad a brush. But that's what the "klan meeting" joke does. This type of joke is just seriously un-funny, regardless of what the intent was. Sensitivity cuts both ways.

I'm not trying to offend people in any way. My intent here was to offer an explanation of why ShadowFly made this particular statement. Racism is alive and well in the United States (and indeed, much of the world), so when you're a race that's in the minority that is immersed in a group that consists of the majority, it's easy to become nervous, apprehensive, or even afraid. Therefore, you might say or do something to make yourself feel more comfortable, which can often mean making a joke. You may not think of what effect the joke could have on others, or the joke in question may not be that politically sensitive. It's generally not the intent of the person to cause harm, but rather to alleviate tension. I don't know if that was ShadowFly's intent, but it was mine. And speaking as a member of a group that has been persecuted, I'm not looking to crucify anyone else. That would be beyond hypocritical.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
With all due respect, those are not the kinds of jokes that I find to be even remotely funny. How would you feel were the situation reversed, and someone made a "joke" with the "N-word" in it?

That word only insults a person's race, you'd need one that insulted their character as well if you wanted it to be on equal ground.

DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
Oh, something I should have said before:

My cousin who I've been round since literally before I was born is black, born in Africa no less, the first friend I ever had was black and I've been around enough black folk since then to know it isn't simply "black folk's humor" it's your humor, and other people's humor, but don't group black people in general with you cause it ain't true if you do that.

Let that be a lesson too: Don't stereotype even your own race because at some point someone will come around who knows that it isn't true.

I should point out here that you're right, one person cannot speak for all. But I will say that many black people in the United States do not consider themselves to be from the same type of culture as blacks that come from Africa. So when I was referring to black people, I meant those from the U.S. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I'm not trying to offend people in any way.

I don't think anyone's holding anything against you.

Quote:
Therefore, you might say or do something to make yourself feel more comfortable, which can often mean making a joke. You may not think of what effect the joke could have on others, or the joke in question may not be that politically sensitive. It's generally not the intent of the person to cause harm, but rather to alleviate tension.

All of this I understand but it's still not really an excuse for saying that kind of thing, even as a joke.

I’m in a story telling mood.

There are certain things that you really should think before you say. My dad used to have a job fixing appliances in an apartment building and one day he did it for someone people called a Nazi, the man didn't say a word, he just let my dad in and let him do his job. He didn't show it off, but a serial number on your arm is something hard to hide if you don't wear long sleeves.

My dad couldn't think of anything to say so he just finished up his job and left, but he’s never forgotten the guy who was called Nazi who lived through a concentration camp.

The man is probably dead by now, but if he weren't do you think that explaining to him why he was called that would make him feel any better?

If you do then I don't understand you, and if you don't then think before you try to pull the same thing on us.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I should point out here that you're right, one person cannot speak for all. But I will say that many black people in the United States do not consider themselves to be from the same type of culture as blacks that come from Africa. So when I was referring to black people, I meant those from the U.S. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

She hasn't been in Africa since she was born, she's an American. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

My first friend, who you have kindly ignored, was a New Yorker. Most, though not all, of the people I have met since then (including the black ones) are Americans.

DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
All of this I understand but it's still not really an excuse for saying that kind of thing, even as a joke.

You're right, it's not an excuse, but it is a way that some black people react to tense situations. I don't mean to justify this behavior, just stating what I know to generally be a fact.

I'm not just using myself as an example here, either. Every one of my family members, black friends, even celebrities have a tendency to use politically incorrect humor (usually towards white people). It's just something that some black people tend to do, and considering black American history, it's to be somewhat expected. Old wounds run deep, after all.

And in reference to the story you told, it was very inappropriate to call that man a Nazi. People don't think before they speak sometimes, and there's no telling who you might hurt. It's not an excuse, but it does happen.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

LETOV

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:08 PM

Well, to try to get back to the original topic and hopefully far, far away from where its gone, I'll chime in.

Male
30
Married w/two lovely little girls
"IT Field" works
USA
Atheist
White
Dutch/Lithuanian/European mutt.

- Leto_V

"Well, my days of not taking you
seriously are certainly coming to
a middle." - Mal

SHADOWFLY

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
All of this I understand but it's still not really an excuse for saying that kind of thing, even as a joke.

You're right, it's not an excuse, but it is a way that some black people react to tense situations. I don't mean to justify this behavior, just stating what I know to generally be a fact.

I'm not just using myself as an example here, either. Every one of my family members, black friends, even celebrities have a tendency to use politically incorrect humor (usually towards white people). It's just something that some black people tend to do, and considering black American history, it's to be somewhat expected. Old wounds run deep, after all.

And in reference to the story you told, it was very inappropriate to call that man a Nazi. People don't think before they speak sometimes, and there's no telling who you might hurt. It's not an excuse, but it does happen.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

Well said sister!

Now can we continue with the original topic of this thread?

TAYEATRA

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:12 PM

Just to reaffirm that we are all different...

I posted shortly after the comment about the Klu Klux Clan and I honestly found it funny. I was wondering if this might be an age thing since I understand very little of the significance. I wouldn't class myself as ignorant but where I live I've never really encountered racism other than in the media.

One of the problems with talking in forums is that there is nothing to indicate tonal variations or unspoken aspects of conversation. Offense can be easily caused regardless of intent.

*****
Taya
*****
I'm going to S3!!!
(*Insert hysterical celebration dance here*)

ZOMBIASH

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:13 PM

Female
24
Single
Clerical, aspiring writer
USA - Florida
Agnostic
White
German/English descent

SHADOWFLY

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tayeatra:
Just to reaffirm that we are all different...

I wouldn't class myself as ignorant but where I live I've never really encountered racism other than in the media.

Consider yourself blessed.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tayeatra:
Offense can be easily caused regardless of intent.

Or because of it. I honestly think I would take less offence if it was serious, but to make a joke out of it is beyond rude.

-

I want to say the following and I hope people don't mind me staying off topic for that much longer.

We've all lost people we love, we've all been afraid and been in places where we were in actual danger just because of who we are or how we look.

We all know what it's like to be shut out and how it feels to be denied what you've earned.

I doubt that there is one person on this board who will not have someone they love torn from them in a horrible way be simple malignant cancer or being beaten to death because of race, religion, or sexuality.

Everyone has to face the same things.

Some people have to face it more often, every day, every minute. But that isn't a reason to say certain things, even when it is a joke. Especially when it's a joke, because for some of us this stuff isn't a joking matter.

People die because of hate every day, and the ones that look like me aren't left out just because they're more susceptible to sunburns.

-

Quote:
Originally posted by Tayeatra:
I wouldn't class myself as ignorant but where I live I've never really encountered racism other than in the media.

I used to be like you, enjoy it and pray that it lasts.

SHADOWFLY

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:40 PM

Get a thicker skin, and a backbone.
Now can we continue with the topic of the thread?

DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Get a thicker skin, and a backbone.
Now can we continue with the topic of the thread?

I at least tried to understand your previous statement to a point. But ChrisTheCynic has a good point, and that is no reason to demean him for it. We all have the right to our own opinion on this forum.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

SHADOWFLY

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Get a thicker skin, and a backbone.
Now can we continue with the topic of the thread?

I at least tried to understand your previous statement to a point. But ChrisTheCynic has a good point, and that is no reason to demean him for it. We all have the right to our own opinion on this forum.

This is true and you have a point. Now can we get back to the thread topic?

CAUSAL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Get a thicker skin, and a backbone.
Now can we continue with the topic of the thread?

That's easy to say when you're not the one that's offended with something that's been said. I doubt seriously if you would be saying that were the shoe on the other foot.

On a side note: maddening how threads can veer off topic, eh?

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

SOFI

Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:28 PM

female
17 (just!)
long-term relationship (boring, i know)
student/aspiring writer (in theory)
nottingham, sunny england!
atheist, but not for want of trying. i tried to believe in god, i really did!
white
urm.. english descent i thinks!

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"the legs. oh, yeah. definitely have to say it was her legs. you can put that down."

IMALEAF

Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:32 PM

Female
20
In a realtionship/living with someone
Insurance Restoration
Indiana
none
white
Irish, Itlain, German, English, and French(Euromut)

~~River: Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logics. Doesn't make sense.~~

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:54 PM

OK people

Everyone needs to chill out. Deepgirl and Shadow meant nothing. It was a joke. It was funny. Now its done.

And before anyone tries to flame me - imagine that you and 1 other person are the ONLY white people or ONLY hispanics or ONLY jews or ONLY anything in a forum that is peopled with a completely different race or ethnicity.

So chill pill.

ITs all good

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:54 PM

Lets see here
Male

28

single

Human service/craftsman

USA Nevada Battle Born

Spirituality (not that fake new agey made up crap)

Native American

Stillwater Paiute/Yomba Shoshone. Very Brown.

Reverse nods to all the skins. What are our common bonds? Aside from the obvious, I love how everyone is up in arms about one thing or another and later totally peaceful and serene. The model of a very tribal culture. You all rock! Oh yeah, count the ethnicities with negative alcoholic stereotypes. Damn I need a beer.

KINROEDARKSTONE

Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:30 PM

Male
35
Married/Happily
Computer Lab Coordinator
USA
Christian
Asian
Chinese

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Wash: Closing in.
Zoe: Planet's coming up a might fast.
Wash: That's just 'cause I'm goin' down too quick. Likely crash and kill us all.
Mal: Well, if that happens, let me know.

FOLLOWMAL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:45 PM

Ok, I'm game for this.

Female
49
Married
Own my own business.
USA/ but I was born in Italy.
I have my own ideas about spirituality, and they suit me just fine.
White, but I tan really darkly in the summer when I work with my horses.
I guess I'm English and a little bit Native American... Cherokee my Mom tells me.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:50 PM

FollowMal

I was born in Eritrea. You a military brat?

FOLLOWMAL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:55 PM

Yes, ma'am and proud of it!

My Dad was stationed in Vicenza, Italy, when I was born. Was there working on some kind of nuclear thing.... because he was stationed at Los Alamos before that.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

KEVAR

Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:56 PM

Male
34
Married
Junior High School English Teacher
Montana USA
Child of the Enlightenment
Scots-Irish

MERC2K

Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RMMC:
Welcome, Merc2K! Glad to meet you! Here's a bit of Irish Whiskey to hold ya until FollowMal comes 'round with the browncoats.

******
RMMC

*takes a sip*
Thanks RMMC

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:59 PM

We were in Naples! All hail the military brat!

FOLLOWMAL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
We were in Naples! All hail the military brat!

Yes, indeed!

ETA: When I was a kid, FMF, I didn't necessarily like being a military brat... now that I'm older, I like that I had those experiences with people and places... it was good for me.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

FOLLOWMAL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:11 PM

Merc2k,

This seems as good a time as any to give your browncoat too....

*hands Merc2k a browncoat from the storeroom*

finally got my new order in... lots of new recruits lately!

We're glad you're here, we need all the folks we can get to bring back our 'verse.

Share Firefly/Serenity with everyone you know, please, I want to see my Cap'n up on the big screen again.

Oh, and you'd probably like to see them all too!

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

RIVER6213

Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Get a thicker skin, and a backbone.
Now can we continue with the topic of the thread?

That's easy to say when you're not the one that's offended with something that's been said. I doubt seriously if you would be saying that were the shoe on the other foot.

________________________________________________________________________

Sounds like the unconscious, unspoken, assumed white superiority mentality coming off from that little comment, but then again I could be wrong.

River

DAYVE

Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:47 PM

Who was that Masked Man ?

RMMC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:49 PM

You're very welcome! There's always more in the partay thread, as well as various munchies.

And I'd like to say, not only does your new browncoat look quite nice, but your piccy-sig is just shiny!

*****
RMMC

GLITCH

Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:54 PM

I keep checking back on this thread and the Age one, but nope, I'm still the oldest.

Male
56
Married (32 of them)
Teacher
USA but this is my fourth country and my third nationality and I'm still holding on to my British passport too
Mystic (reformed) is what I always say, but also a bit atheist, a bit pantheist, and a bit eternally C of E
Why-can't-we-all-get-along, know-what-I-mean (=an inextricable mix of whites, blacks, and Asians)

And re those other threads I didn't pitch in on: watched Buffy from the very first episode, Angel from the very first episode, and Firefly from the very first episode.

GLITCH

MERC2K

Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

Merc2k,

This seems as good a time as any to give your browncoat too....

*hands Merc2k a browncoat from the storeroom*

*Gives it a Jayne like sniff and puts it on*
Thank you FollowMal

Quote:
Originally posted by RMMC:
And I'd like to say, not only does your new browncoat look quite nice, but your piccy-sig is just shiny!

*****
RMMC

Thanks.

IHEARTFIREFLY

Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:43 PM

Female
21
Single
Admin. Assistant
Illinois
Christian
American Mutt...Maybe Italian, German?

"Can't take the sky..."

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:
My Dad was stationed in Vicenza, Italy, when I was born. Was there working on some kind of nuclear thing.... because he was stationed at Los Alamos before that.

Was he a spy? Seems like everyone else there was.

FOLLOWMAL

Friday, May 19, 2006 12:15 AM

No, Chris, not that I'm aware of. My Dad was the most open, straightforward man I ever knew. I surely wouldn't have hired him as a spy, I don't think the goverment would either.

Although I have to say... he would not talk about that time in the military. At all. He also died of leaukemia, which his death certificate listed per Army doctors as caused by radiation exposure and Agent Orange exposure. When he was diagnosed after his first stroke with leaukemia, he was entered into a study which the Army conducted for the next 10 years, then they switched him to civilian doctors. I always meant to pursue that, but as his life wound down, I just wanted to spend time with him.

He wouldn't tell me any of the stories of his time in war either, until he was older and when he started to tell me about his time in the Chosin Reservoir in Korea he could only get so far and then he quit. He never did finish telling me that tale before he died. I just don't think he could tell me about what he saw.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

FOLLOWMAL

Friday, May 19, 2006 12:16 AM

Damn double post, sorry everyone.

CAUSAL

Friday, May 19, 2006 12:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Get a thicker skin, and a backbone.
Now can we continue with the topic of the thread?

That's easy to say when you're not the one that's offended with something that's been said. I doubt seriously if you would be saying that were the shoe on the other foot.

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Sounds like the unconscious, unspoken, assumed white superiority mentality coming off from that little comment, but then again I could be wrong.

River

*snip* You have no idea what's coming off that remark; you don't know me--how dare you presume to know what my motives are, or what my mentality is? My point with Shadow is that it's easier to say "Get a thicker skin" when you're the one doing the offending than it is when you're the one on the receiving end! So now I've been accused of being a Klan member and of being an bigot. Beautiful! And all because I object to having the entire white population of FFF.net painted with the same brush. Ridiculous! If the shoe were on the other foot, once again, and someone on this board (God forbid) felt that a racial slur had been made, I'm sure we'd all be apologizing all over ourselves to make it right, and rightly so. But what's this? I take umbrage to being called a Klan member, and I'm the racist?!

Edited to add:
I'm aware that Shadow wasn't calling me a Klan member. I'm sure that he meant that comment in jest, and I've already shared my opinion on that type of humor. My point in the foregoing is that I felt as if that is what he was saying, and it most certainly did not feel good. 6213, on the other hand, came right out and called me a bigot, and that felt even worse; hence the tirade.

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, May 19, 2006 12:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:
No, Chris, not that I'm aware of.

It's really just a sideways Tom Leher nod.

-

I'm sorry if I made you sad, sometimes it's good to remember those we lost, sometime it hurts too much, I don't know which this is for you.

FOLLOWMAL

Friday, May 19, 2006 12:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
It's really just a sideways Tom Leher nod.

Went right over my head...

No, not so much sad, I've found myself talking about him a lot lately.. maybe it's cathartic.
Dunno. Sorry if I hijacked the thread.

And Chris, thanks for asking.. I'm ok.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

DAYVE

Friday, May 19, 2006 12:23 AM

RIVER6213

Friday, May 19, 2006 12:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Get a thicker skin, and a backbone.
Now can we continue with the topic of the thread?

That's easy to say when you're not the one that's offended with something that's been said. I doubt seriously if you would be saying that were the shoe on the other foot.

________________________________________________________________________

Sounds like the unconscious, unspoken, assumed white superiority mentality coming off from that little comment, but then again I could be wrong.

River

Fk you, 6213! You have no idea what's coming off that remark; you don't know me--how dare you presume to know what my motives are, or what my mentality is? My point with Shadow is that it's easier to say "Get a thicker skin" when you're the one doing the offending than it is when you're the one on the receiving end! So now I've been accused of being a Klan member and of being an bigot. Beautiful! And all because I object to having the entire white population of FFF.net painted with the same brush. Ridiculous! If the shoe were on the other foot, once again, and someone on this board (God forbid) felt that a racial slur had been made, I'm sure we'd all be apologizing all over ourselves to make it right, and rightly so. But what's this? I take umbrage to being called a Klan member, and I'm the racist?!

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

If there was no merit to what I had said, then you have no reason to get your boxer shorts in a bunch, but since you are getting all upset and sensitive, and somewhat defensive, then I guess I must have struck a nerve.

I'm white but I found no reason to take offense at what Shadow said. It was funny in a way to think that us Browncoats could ever stoop to something like klans, and that's what made it funny, but yourself and a few others read more into that sort of humor then what was there. I guess your beer and television must have somehow been interrupted.

Oh well, live and learn I suppose.

River

FOLLOWMAL

Friday, May 19, 2006 12:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:

(i'm a bad man)

Yes you are....

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, May 19, 2006 12:47 AM

RiveR6213,

It's nice to think that if something has no Merit it has no effect, but it isn't true. I ignored you because I thought it was pretty clear you were just trying to be an ass and I thought we'd already had enough of that, but you had to keep it up didn't you?

So you say that he's a white supremacist and the fact that he objects makes it true, interesting that. So what's next? He's a rapist perhaps? There's plenty of unsolved ones out there, I'm sure you can find one to pin on our Causal, and of course if he's offended by the allegations he must be guilty.

Nice the way that works, guilty by means of accusation. Must be nice to set it up so that you can say whatever you want and no one can object without being condemned twice over. My only question is, "Why?"

Why do you want to hurt people?

But I'm betting you won't answer so let me ask you something else, you told me you sold your soul, did you ever buy it back?

RIVER6213

Friday, May 19, 2006 1:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
RiveR6213,

It's nice to think that if something has no Merit it has no effect, but it isn't true. I ignored you because I thought it was pretty clear you were just trying to be an ass and I thought we'd already had enough of that, but you had to keep it up didn't you?

So you say that he's a white supremacist and the fact that he objects makes it true, interesting that. So what's next? He's a rapist perhaps? There's plenty of unsolved ones out there, I'm sure you can find one to pin on our Causal, and of course if he's offended by the allegations he must be guilty.

Nice the way that works, guilty by means of accusation. Must be nice to set it up so that you can say whatever you want and no one can object without being condemned twice over. My only question is, "Why?"

Why do you want to hurt people?

But I'm betting you won't answer so let me ask you something else, you told me you sold your soul, did you ever buy it back?

That's not a nice thing to say.
I don't think he's a white supremacist, and I'm not interested in hurting anyone, and I'm not intending to be an ass. I don't think he's a bad person at all. I've never read anything he's said in this thread or this forum that would make me think that he's a bad person.

I'm not interested in hurting anyone...well, maybe PirateNews, but he's the only one I dream about hitting with a car.

River

STDOUBT

Friday, May 19, 2006 1:20 AM

Male
38
Single
Nurse
PDX, USA
non-religious
Danish/Irish/Welsh descent
(have a secret crush on RIVER6213 even though she's a Taurus and my
heart was ripped out of my chest, jullienned, and spoon-fed to me by a Taurus)

SOULQUAKE

Friday, May 19, 2006 1:25 AM

Female
25
Married
Hoping to set up being a volunteer with a Greyhound Rescue next weekend!
USA
Agnostic
White
Unknown descent (I was adopted)

---
"Sun came out, and I walked on my feet and heard with my ears. I ate the bits, the bits stayed down, and I work. I function like I'm a girl. I hate it because I know it'll go away."

FOLLOWMAL

Friday, May 19, 2006 1:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by soulquake:

Hoping to set up being a volunteer with a Greyhound Rescue next weekend!

My Mom and Dad did that for several years, it was very rewarding. Good for you.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

CAUSAL

Friday, May 19, 2006 1:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
If there was no merit to what I had said, then you have no reason to get your boxer shorts in a bunch, but since you are getting all upset and sensitive, and somewhat defensive, then I guess I must have struck a nerve.

I'm white but I found no reason to take offense at what Shadow said. It was funny in a way to think that us Browncoats could ever stoop to something like klans, and that's what made it funny, but yourself and a few others read more into that sort of humor then what was there. I guess your beer and television must have somehow been interrupted.

Oh well, live and learn I suppose.

River

I feel compelled to apologize for swearing at you in my original post (as if I fooled anyone with using the

dealie). I lost my temper, and I shouldn't have done that. I was wrong to do that, and I hope that you'll forgive me for having done so.

No B.S., seriously needed to say that. Mad or not, I still need to do the right thing, and cursing at you wasn't it.

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

RIVER6213

Friday, May 19, 2006 1:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
If there was no merit to what I had said, then you have no reason to get your boxer shorts in a bunch, but since you are getting all upset and sensitive, and somewhat defensive, then I guess I must have struck a nerve.

I'm white but I found no reason to take offense at what Shadow said. It was funny in a way to think that us Browncoats could ever stoop to something like klans, and that's what made it funny, but yourself and a few others read more into that sort of humor then what was there. I guess your beer and television must have somehow been interrupted.

Oh well, live and learn I suppose.

River

I feel compelled to apologize for swearing at you in my original post (as if I fooled anyone with using the dealie). I lost my temper, and I shouldn't have done that. I was wrong to do that, and I hope that you'll forgive me for having done so.

No B.S., seriously needed to say that. Mad or not, I still need to do the right thing, and cursing at you wasn't it.

________________________________________________________________________
I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

I actually thought I was trying to help. I didn't mean to set you off. I was trying to make light of the situation because the whole thing was so silly. I guess I use sarcasm more than I should and it does have a habit of giving people the wrong ideas.

If Shadow came in here and had said something that seriously put us down, I would have been all over him, but what he said was just funny because none of us are like that.

So I'm sorry also.

River

SOULQUAKE

Friday, May 19, 2006 1:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

My Mom and Dad did that for several years, it was very rewarding. Good for you.

Thank you, I'm really looking forward to it :)

---
"Sun came out, and I walked on my feet and heard with my ears. I ate the bits, the bits stayed down, and I work. I function like I'm a girl. I hate it because I know it'll go away."

ARISLYN

Friday, May 19, 2006 5:23 AM

Female
30
Single
Librarian
USA
LDS
White
German/Italian/French/Russian/English descent

Everything's shiny, Cap'n. Not to fret.

SIMONB

Friday, May 19, 2006 10:20 AM

Male
31
Single
Hospital Clerical Officer
UK
Atheist
White
English

yup, that's me.

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

AMITON

Friday, May 19, 2006 1:39 PM

Sure, I guess I'll play...

I'm:
Male
33 (or will be next month, rather)
Remarried (and I think I've done *MUCH* better this time), 2 children from my previous marriage
IT / Software Developer
USA
Chirstian, although specific designations bother me
Predominantly white
Scotch/Irish/Sioux/Blackfoot/German

KEVAR

Friday, May 19, 2006 5:23 PM

Quote:
I keep checking back on this thread and the Age one, but nope, I'm still the oldest.

Male
56
Married (32 of them)
Teacher
USA but this is my fourth country and my third nationality and I'm still holding on to my British passport too
Mystic (reformed) is what I always say, but also a bit atheist, a bit pantheist, and a bit eternally C of E
Why-can't-we-all-get-along, know-what-I-mean (=an inextricable mix of whites, blacks, and Asians)

What do you teach? I'm teaching World History now, moving to 7th grade English next year. God help me.

ARMAFIED

Friday, May 19, 2006 9:43 PM

Male
20
Married
Student
USA
Agnostic
White
German/French

WHATAWHINER

Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:10 AM

Male
29
Single
Web Designer/Financial Agent
USA
Worshiprer of Christ Jesus, Christian
Chinese
Han Chinese descent

Wow, lots of white folks around here...am I the only fan of this movie/series that's non-white??

Oh and by the way, I demand a Chinese actor to be one of the crew if they are gonna make a sequel or season 2! ...afterall, we are the Anglo-Sino Alliance now are we not?

ANNMTM

Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:45 AM

Female
53
Married, 2 daughters
At home mom looking for part time job
USA, San Francisco Bay area
Agnostic
White
Scotch,German,English

GLITCH

Saturday, May 20, 2006 5:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kevar:

Teacher

What do you teach? I'm teaching World History now, moving to 7th grade English next year. God help me.

I teach high school French (whatever level's needed) and 12th grade English. Speaking of which, I've tried to watch the French version of Serenity a couple of times, but man does it lose energy in the translation--all the wit is gone from the language.

God help you b/c of the subject change or b/c of the grade? I think English is one of the most fun subjects to teach.

Glitch

KEVAR

Saturday, May 20, 2006 5:41 PM

[qoute]God help you b/c of the subject change or b/c of the grade? I think English is one of the most fun subjects to teach.

Quote:

God help me because of the age. It will be quite a shift from sophomores/juniors to 7th graders. I do look forward to the subject matter, it's my primary endorsement. Grammar, grammar and more grammar!

(with maybe a little serenity shinyness thrown in.)

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KEVAR

Saturday, May 20, 2006 5:45 PM

wow, got my quotyness all screwed up!

COPILOT

Saturday, May 20, 2006 6:02 PM

Nope you're not the only non pasty person around Whatawhiner. I'm Native American Indian and there was a dicussion earlier as to whether or not there was some sort of Klan meeting going on. Turned out to be a poorly recieved joke. But yep most people round these parts are of european decent. Here is where I was going to make what would have been a poorly recieved joke about religiosity and permisucious sex.
must not try to be clever!

An I carried such a torch

COPILOT

Saturday, May 20, 2006 6:02 PM

Double posty goodnes right here. Come and get some.

An I carried such a torch

SIKKUKUT

Saturday, May 20, 2006 7:04 PM

It's always interesting to me how broad a demographic Firefly has compared to a lot of other science fiction.

That said, I do basically nothing to broaden said demographic:

Male
23
Single
Editor and Internet writer
Illinois, USA
Atheist, but not with much conviction (raised very moderate Lutheran; my dad is a pastor)
White

My whole family are fans though, so you've got a 56-year-old male pastor, a 55-year-old female child development specialist, and a 17-year-old soon-to-be high school graduate. Firefly is the first of our "nerd shows" that ever reeled my sister in (though now that the gates are open she's hooked on BSG, too).

__________________
To err is human, but computers do it much faster.

BREXAN

Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:18 AM

Cool thread idea, interesting to see who all the fans are!

My details:
Male
19 (20 on 06/06/06 eeks!)
Single *wink*
Uni Student (Psychology)
UK (West Midlands)
No Religion
White
English/Irish

HISTORY

Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:25 AM

Male
48
Married
Physician
USA
Jewish
White
American/Russian

WHATAWHINER

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by copilot:
Nope you're not the only non pasty person around Whatawhiner. I'm Native American Indian and there was a dicussion earlier as to whether or not there was some sort of Klan meeting going on. Turned out to be a poorly recieved joke. But yep most people round these parts are of european decent. Here is where I was going to make what would have been a poorly recieved joke about religiosity and permisucious sex.
must not try to be clever!

An I carried such a torch

Ahhh...good to hear!

And like the other poster said, it's nice to have a following with such a wide range of demographics.

SOBEAUHO

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:28 PM

Hey Sassalicious, where are you going to teach esl? I am headed off to kazakhstan. I think that it is kinda creepy how much we have in common....I graduated from UW- madison.

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:41 PM

42 (for a little while longer)
Married for almost 20 years
2 teenaged boys
Graphic designer/Illustrator/all Around Visual Arts Nerd
USA
Heathen (I used to be Catholic, but I got better)
Irish/German/Polish American Mutt with a side of extra-pasty Norwegian

~~~~~

"Funny and sexy. You have no idea. And you never will."

SASSALICIOUS

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:10 PM

Small small world indeed. When did you graduate?

I'm heading off to Vietnam in a year. I can't wait! I can put my newly acquired (and still acquiring) language skills to use.

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
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KPO

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:22 PM

Me:

Male
21
Single
Student/aspiring writer
UK
Agnostic
50:50 Nigerian/English

SOBEAUHO

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:50 AM

I graduated in 2004 with a BA in psychology and art history. I have to learn kazakh and Russian...should be interesting since I only speak romance languages.

SOBEAUHO

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:50 AM

I graduated in 2004 with a BA in psychology and art history. I have to learn kazakh and Russian...should be interesting since I only speak romance languages.

LOESJE58

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:19 AM

And here are my statistics:

Female
47
Single
Executive Assistant in Government Department
Australia
Believe in God, just not organised religion
White, very White except for the Red hair and freckles
Dutch Ancestry

FREELANCEFIREFLY

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:34 AM

Female
14
Single
High School Student (duh)
California, USA
Atheist/Non religious (i'm totally open to religion however and i'm not against any beliefs AT ALL. I just look at things more scientifically...)
Vietnamese (i'm a little Chinese too... maybe about 15%? but i don't speak it! I can understand Vietnamese however.)

I think i'm one of the youngest people here but that's ok with me :D I don't usually post on websites and i'm sorta new. Actually i just joined last week.

SERENITY DAY!

One day.
One plan.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

"They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be but they forgot. Now they see the sky and they remember what they are."~ River

CAB1729

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:57 AM

Welcome, FreelanceFirefly! Don't worry about being so young - you'll grow out of it!

Female
Almost 50
Single
Med Transcriptionist/Student
Michigan, USA
Thinking of joining Unitarian/Universalist Church
Mostly northern european with possibly a bit of French-Indian mixed in so guess at the color! Go ahead! Betcha can't guess!

___________________________________________
Hobbes: How come we play war and not peace?
Calvin: Too few role models.

BOB30

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:16 AM

Male
28
Married
Marine biologist
UK
No religion
White
British

I'll be in my bunk....

ARABIKUM

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:09 AM

Male
37
Married, no kids
Architect
Germany
Protestant (although not practicing and not being very religious, I believe, there are worse concepts for living together…)
White

Sigh. Add some kids and move me to Texas and I´m looking like a bushist…

What about:

Plant
217.3 (Xerox years)
Xerox Prime
General Motors
Mormon
Green

A.

Ted Striker: My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar.

Elaine Dickinson: When will you be back?

Ted Striker: I can't tell you that. It's classified.

SHINYTRINKET

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:23 PM

Female
46
Married, no kids but many 4-legged "fur children"
Currently not working; last worked as veterinary technician
Live in Michigan
Not practicing any religion (don't tell my Southern Baptist inlaws!)
French/Irish/English with a little Scotch in me!

Have lurked for awhile, but just started posting here, so...hi!

If you eat a live toad in the morning, nothing worse will happen to you all day.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ShinyTrinket:
Female
46
Married, no kids but many 4-legged "fur children"
Currently not working; last worked as veterinary technician
Live in Michigan
Not practicing any religion (don't tell my Southern Baptist inlaws!)
French/Irish/English with a little Scotch in me!

Have lurked for awhile, but just started posting here, so...hi!

If you eat a live toad in the morning, nothing worse will happen to you all day.

Welcome shinytrinket! Check out the lurkers thread, you can get something to eat and FollowMal will be there in a bit to hand out Browncoats!

Glad to meet you!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

BERNADETTE

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:56 PM

Welcome aboard Shinytrinkey

Female

40 years young

Married to a Browncoat

Bed-control coordinator at VA Hospital

USA [Georgia]

Baptist

Black [med-brownish hue, unless your looking at my legs which are pale and boney] thanks Dad

African decent

Bernie

SASSYBROWNCOAT

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:30 PM

well, here's my life in short description

female
50 (rounded the corner a few weeks ago and so far a blast!)
happily married
4 furry 'kids' and caretaker to wild ones (bats, birds, deer, squirrels, and many more)
marketing admin assistant
USA/Washington state/west side of Yacolt mountain/log home
naturally spiritual
cream color white w/freckles
Irish/German/French descent

MONOLYCUS

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sassalicious:
Quote:
Originally posted by sobeauho:
Female
24
single
tutor/mentor...soon leaving to teach ESL in the peacecorps
midwest usa
raised catholic
some say I glow in the dark (because I am so pale)
irish/english/sioux

OH MY GOD!! I'm going to teach english abroad as well, though not with the peace corps.

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm doing that as we speak. Or type. Or what have you. ESL, sans peace corps.

As for the rest of it...

Male
37
single
occupation already alluded to above
US citizen currently residing in Daehanminguk
no particular theological attachments
whitish from German/English/Native American extraction

And if all this is gettin' attached to some purplebelly dossier somewhere, I should mention that I was born in the year of the monkey, my turn-offs include being shot, and I've got a fair idea what my sin is.

SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:45 PM

Female
15
Single (never been anything but. )
High School Student, aspiring to be a doctor. right now, my job is delivering the BuySell.
Northwest England
Untannable White
Mainly British, with a splash of Italian.

oh, I feel so young compared to everyone else, :)

I love Wash! Bring back Wash!

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