Great Songs That Couldn't Be Made Today

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Saturday, July 18, 2026 14:03
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 15, 2026 7:11 AM (P)

I heard this song back from my high school days on the radio today. I never really cared for it much back then, but I suppose something about aging 30 years makes you give things you passed by in your youth a 2nd chance whenever they cross your path.

I know why I didn't like it when I was a kid, and I'm kind of glad that I've grown to appreciate it as an adult. It's just so good.

But look at the lyrics...

And then think about everything in the news and the media over the last 6 years or so, and tell me that a 26 year old Lisa Loeb today wouldn't be destroyed on Twitter for putting a song like this out.

I'm sure I'll think of more to add here, or just bump into them randomly as I did with this one.

Feel free to add any of your own here.

BRENDA

Friday, May 15, 2026 9:34 AM (P)

That's a great song SIX.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 15, 2026 12:52 PM (P)

On this fact, there will be no disagreement.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 15, 2026 1:12 PM (P)

This song always hit hard for me from the first time I'd heard it...

I don't consider this to be a song that couldn't be made today, but I believe in the 3rd verse Anna was singing about what The Internet would do to Lisa Loeb for releasing that song today when she sings the words "2AM and I'm still awake writing a song, if I get it all down on paper it's no longer inside of me, threatening the life it belongs to. And I feel like I'm naked in front of a crowd, because these words are my diary screaming out loud, and I know that you'll use them, however you want to.

Anna may have been the first artist to sing about it, possibly not even realizing that if she were to have been born just several years earlier she would have a much different memory of what life as a teenager and young adult was before the internet became central to everyone's lives.

Even if it wasn't the Feminists relentlessly bashing the song and Lisa herself for being weak and staying in a relationship that clearly has problems and the whole thing being a bad role model for girls, she'd probably have a bunch of people making fun of her on Twitter for it. For staying in what appears to be a pretty solid relationship that didn't magically fix all of her problems that she's very aware of and struggling with. And it should be noted that she didn't let him entirely off the hook either. It's a one-sided story and we don't know if we have a reliable narrator, but with the amount of self-depreciation on display here, I think it's more than fair to accept that her beau was not Mr. Perfect himself.

I think this song would be attacked for weakness today. That she didn't just stand up and walk out on that guy. But that would be completely missing the point. I think it's a song about strength. Weathering the bad times and navigating through all the emotions while keeping focused on the fact that ultimately the relationship brings you more than it takes away from you... or, at very least, achieves equilibrium.

It's easy to quit and walk away. It's hard to put in the work to keep something worth keeping. But what nobody tells you is that it's even harder being alone and looking back and wondering what things would have been like had you made a different choice. If you fought for something worth fighting for instead of always taking the easy way out. That you might just wake up one day realizing that not only isn't there anything left worth fighting for, but that the days where those opportunities just seemed to fall into your lap don't come around all too often anymore either.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, May 15, 2026 3:23 PM (P)

maybe you are starting to hear something I already noticed many many years ago

Culture seems dead now
X-Factor America's Got Talent ruined the show

maybe some Spanish Disco Nightclub music or Rap or sad romantic song or something about drugs would make it today...the skill of playing rock and pop is gone

but Common, the so-so, mediocre vocalists with massive egos and their backing track perhaps also destroyed the old tradition of music making...and the record company and editors and audio engineers and magazines and social media promoters and mixers and producers told the singing artist with a big ego that 'this is the correct way'

I believe the solo guitarist also helped kill it, you know you get one of those head up their own asshole, the USA or Canada or British singer-songwriter and musician...some of them with holier than thou attitudes and start talking religion and political garbage and suddenly they replace all their band members with a keyboard backing track, a drum machine, a fake plastic bass but they still got their 'hit' and their money

the old way bands did it?

"Bohemian Rhapsody"
Length almost 6 mins

Any song 4 mins long could not be made today

also most 'Bands' would not exist today, people do not listen to a band, they follow a DJ for example...not that electronic music can not be done well, it can be great but it is mostly done bad.

if you look at soundclouds, youtubes, the tiktoks, spotify hits its mostly solo artists
I cant really name any I could guess maybe try but I dont liosten to modern pop or whatever the radio is I could guess Drake, Kate Perry, Rihanna, Justin Bieber, maybe Michael Jackon is back in the chart with that movie?...Rick Beato listens to the Top-10 so I dont have to
Are bands dead?
You will still find 'bands' out there listen to in the Top100, Beatles, Linkin Park, Queen etc but these guys are nostalgia listeners with band members dead

I think ColdPlay still sells, however that's kind of unusual as most 'bands' will not sell as they used to

People want to watch this Karaoke X-Factor America's Got Talent type of singing music with backing tracks

The audience want the words and voice next Freddy Mercury or next Rapper or next Donna Summer, Dolly Patron, Whitney Houston, they want words and a beat Vanilla_Ice
Vanilla Ice, they Barbra Streisand but not the art of mixing and instruments behind it
that's just nice background noise they dont really understand
the audience can now as AI to give them beats and chords without learning anything of music theory a Chatbot can deliver a backing track.
The audience wants a stage and words it wants a vocal show on the social media but it doesnt want the actual band that helped glue all that melody and rhythm and harmony together

Music in this world has changed, does the audience and consumer know whats different?
The audience is missing something but does not know what sound it is missing, the audience doesnt watch bands playing off each other like they used to
the bass players Flea Red Hot Chili Peppers, uncredited session musicians like Carol Kaye who would inspire groovy jams in studio, Leland Sklar, Jack Bruce, Sting, John Wetton, Tina Weymouth, John McVie, Louis Johnson, Geddy Lee, Bootsy Collins, James Jamerson, Paul McCartney, Geddy Lee, Phil Lesh, Jack Cassidy, Tony Levin, John Paul Jones, George Porter Jr, David Hood, Jaco Pastorius, the drummers Roger Taylor from Queen, Neil Peart, John Bonham, Taylor Hawkins, Stewart Copeland, Bill Bruford, Mick Fleetwood, Phil Rudd, Mike Portnoy, Steve Smith, Jimmy Chamberlin, Michael Shrieve, Steve Jordan, Tito Puente, Clyde Stubblefield, Shela E, Jeff Porcaro, Terry Bozzio, Phil Collins, Vinnie Colaiuta, Ian Paice, Steve Gadd and the guitarists Ritchie Blackmore, Prince, David Gilmour, Jimi Hendrix, Brian May, Clapton, Jimmy Page, John McLaughlin, Mark Knopfler, Joe Perry, Frank Zappa, James Hetfield, Pat Metheny, Joe Walsh, Angus Young, Malcolm Young, John Petrucci, Carlos

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, May 15, 2026 3:35 PM (P)

Django Reinhardt he was in an actual band and played with only two fingers, his hand was damaged when he was a kid left hand fingers were badly burned. Nobody listens to this set up today with Violin and a big old Double Bass.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, May 16, 2026 12:19 AM (P)

Come In From The Cold

Joni Mitchell

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 16, 2026 12:20 AM (P)

I was going to say that you missed the point, Jaynez, but then I realized that you're coming at it from the same space that Beato does when he talks about how basic and simple most music is today. Or those videos that explain the phenomena by comparing music today to that of the 60's and the devolution that occurred in between then and now.

I'm talking about the lyrics themselves, and the fact that Lisa Loeb would be tortured online for putting Stay out in 2026.

I don't want to make this just another "Music" thread since we already have 4 of them.

You're making this just another Music thread.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, May 16, 2026 12:20 AM (P)

a world before 911 attacks....25 years ago

'Tool'

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 16, 2026 12:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I was going to say that you missed the point, Jaynez, but then I realized that you're coming at it from the same space that Beato does when he talks about how basic and simple most music is today. Or those videos that explain the phenomena by comparing music today to that of the 60's and the devolution that occurred in between then and now.

I'm talking about the lyrics themselves, and the fact that Lisa Loeb would be tortured online for putting Stay out in 2026.

I don't want to make this just another "Music" thread since we already have 4 of them.

You're making this just another Music thread.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

Here... let me give you another example. This one is directly on the nose, so nobody should be confused about what the point of the thread was...

NOTE: This song doesn't fit the thread either because, though it's worth a chuckle, it's objectively not a great song.

And I had to post a link to a re-upload because the channel where the guy was playing and singing songs from the late 1800's and early 1900's was banned. Just kind of proving my point here.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

BRENDA

Saturday, May 16, 2026 5:27 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
This song always hit hard for me from the first time I'd heard it...

I don't consider this to be a song that couldn't be made today, but I believe in the 3rd verse Anna was singing about what The Internet would do to Lisa Loeb for releasing that song today when she sings the words "2AM and I'm still awake writing a song, if I get it all down on paper it's no longer inside of me, threatening the life it belongs to. And I feel like I'm naked in front of a crowd, because these words are my diary screaming out loud, and I know that you'll use them, however you want to.

Anna may have been the first artist to sing about it, possibly not even realizing that if she were to have been born just several years earlier she would have a much different memory of what life as a teenager and young adult was before the internet became central to everyone's lives.

Even if it wasn't the Feminists relentlessly bashing the song and Lisa herself for being weak and staying in a relationship that clearly has problems and the whole thing being a bad role model for girls, she'd probably have a bunch of people making fun of her on Twitter for it. For staying in what appears to be a pretty solid relationship that didn't magically fix all of her problems that she's very aware of and struggling with. And it should be noted that she didn't let him entirely off the hook either. It's a one-sided story and we don't know if we have a reliable narrator, but with the amount of self-depreciation on display here, I think it's more than fair to accept that her beau was not Mr. Perfect himself.

I think this song would be attacked for weakness today. That she didn't just stand up and walk out on that guy. But that would be completely missing the point. I think it's a song about strength. Weathering the bad times and navigating through all the emotions while keeping focused on the fact that ultimately the relationship brings you more than it takes away from you... or, at very least, achieves equilibrium.

It's easy to quit and walk away. It's hard to put in the work to keep something worth keeping. But what nobody tells you is that it's even harder being alone and looking back and wondering what things would have been like had you made a different choice. If you fought for something worth fighting for instead of always taking the easy way out. That you might just wake up one day realizing that not only isn't there anything left worth fighting for, but that the days where those opportunities just seemed to fall into your lap don't come around all too often anymore either.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

You, SIX are a rotten kid. I like both these songs. They speak to me in someway that have both almost had me in tears.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 16, 2026 5:36 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
You, SIX are a rotten kid. I like both these songs. They speak to me in someway that have both almost had me in tears.

:( I'm sorry Brenda.

Did you know of 2AM before? I know it got good airplay back in the late 2000's. I actually had Anna's album. There were quite a few good songs on it that never got any play.

I love both of the songs because they're REAL. These girls wrote them, and they weren't just written by the same people that write 90% of the music you ever hear.

I'm sure I got you thinking about Blair again. It sounds like you two had a great go of it, and what happened wasn't your fault. I don't think that he'd be happy if he knew you were sad when thinking about him.

I'm envious of you, actually. I think there were a few girls I dated that were really amazing, but my heart was never really in it. I don't think I'm capable of the type of love necessary to have anything lasting. I've been loved, but I don't think I've ever actually felt love. At least not the kind of love that remains after the newness phase of a relationship ends and the relationship becomes increasingly less about the Grand Gestures and just becomes routine.

What's that phrase? It's better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

BRENDA

Saturday, May 16, 2026 9:47 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
You, SIX are a rotten kid. I like both these songs. They speak to me in someway that have both almost had me in tears.

:( I'm sorry Brenda.

Did you know of 2AM before? I know it got good airplay back in the late 2000's. I actually had Anna's album. There were quite a few good songs on it that never got any play.

I love both of the songs because they're REAL. These girls wrote them, and they weren't just written by the same people that write 90% of the music you ever hear.

I'm sure I got you thinking about Blair again. It sounds like you two had a great go of it, and what happened wasn't your fault. I don't think that he'd be happy if he knew you were sad when thinking about him.

I'm envious of you, actually. I think there were a few girls I dated that were really amazing, but my heart was never really in it. I don't think I'm capable of the type of love necessary to have anything lasting. I've been loved, but I don't think I've ever actually felt love. At least not the kind of love that remains after the newness phase of a relationship ends and the relationship becomes increasingly less about the Grand Gestures and just becomes routine.

What's that phrase? It's better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

It's okay SIX. Music can move to tears or near to tears.

I think I have heard it before but not sure where. Might have been on the radio in a car with one of Blair's friends that were driving me to do something for him.

They did get me thinking about him. I hope we did and I know what happened wasn't my fault. No, he wouldn't want me to ever be sad. But that is life and music.

Love is an odd emotion. I've had love that I thought would stay then didn't. Being wrapped in it was a wonderful feeling. I would like to find it again but not sure.

That is the phrase.

Don't worry about bringing me down. I can do that on my own at times.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, May 16, 2026 5:43 PM (P)

Blacks themselves did parody of their culture back in the day, outdated tropes, jokes, stereotypes so many songs back then you cant do today "Theres a N * gger in the Moon" they go viral with a guy putting on a tap dance show or move around as popular sheet music from the era designed for vaudeville and minstrel performances.
Not viral as we know today with the phones the internets, viral back then was buzz on the street and word of mouth about some new crazy jazz venue.

its all controlled now

Where were those songs of protest against the 'War in Iraq'?

I dont listen to pop but I do listen a lot and I have mixed stuff DJ style and jammed with other skilled musicians. The vocal line is most probably the last part of the song I start concentrating on listening to, I will listen to the groove, the bass underneath, the high sparkle drum cymbal, the chord progression, the beats or melody line. You dont really get surprises, most melody Song structure most beats and chord progressions go the same way these days but you do have surprises once in a while...by the time I do listen to Lyrics I would say the intro is gone already I'm probably past the verse, past the pro chorus maybe Verse-chorus is already gone before I actively listen to 'words' I might be passively sub consciously am taking in words maybe not but I and many others miss hear words or maybe mistake one word as another. If I want words or lyrics I will read an actual poet or read a book.

There was a time when music was more family values, more 'prude' and conservative and national pride, the Beatles or The Blues or Rock and Roll or Elvis was seen as devlish or bad influence. The hippie movement during Nam were considered 'Commies' and traitors and drug addicts.

Over time all the record companies got taken over, the 'counter culture' got eaten by the machine. There was no real movement against Bush and the 'Iraq War' everything became fake.

New wrong think offenses pop up, everything had to be Gay and Lesbian, you had to accept all other religions all invading waves of immigration, MeToo gets hijacked by a political money movement, dont make jokes about the Tranny.
Be a degenerate think about booze, drugs, your penis and vagina, get off and get high, have a fight with the local rapper in your hood and most important dont protest the Iraq War.

Its not that there are not great words and lyrics out there, yes some people write great words Bob Dylan, Eminem, Tom Waits, Joni Mitchell, Paulina Villarreal, Van Morrison, Eddie Vedder, Freddy Mercury, Nick Cave, Tracy Chapman, Kris Kristofferson, Woody Guthrie, Prince, Michael Jackson, Smokey Robinson, Billy Joel, John Lydon, David Bowie even the thought provoking words inside the noise of punk and rap....some of them might have been assholes in real life but the put good 'words' on the records. Some lyrics stand out so much you cant help but hear them but I honestly wasnt really a lyric word person, I find most vocalist subjects kinda boring.

Other praised respected lyric writers I find dumb but I guess its 'Art' and everyone can be free to have their own personal tastes. For example I find Bernie Taupin / Elton John to be mostly crap but they do have one or two good vocal words in songs, I mostly just see them as fools...some I have changed my mind for example Dolly Parton Country was one I didnt like but then I heard Jolene and its incredible as if its from the heart they often rank it as one of the "Greatest Songs of All Time" its covered in foreign languages like Spanish and I believe Dolly admitted there is some truth and real life put into that song.
Elvis Costello is one I just dont like, I get people like his words but I dont like those 'words' I find his groove very boring and just 'shit' and even when he has drive in his songs I dont like his voice and think he sounds like an annoying jackass. I dont know what I dont like about in maybe its insincere like its fake trying to mim

BRENDA

Saturday, May 16, 2026 11:11 PM (P)

One song that problem couldn't get a redo of is Elvis's "In the Ghetto."

Not a hug fan of Elvis but this song still makes a lot of sense today.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 17, 2026 4:21 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
You, SIX are a rotten kid. I like both these songs. They speak to me in someway that have both almost had me in tears.

:( I'm sorry Brenda.

Did you know of 2AM before? I know it got good airplay back in the late 2000's. I actually had Anna's album. There were quite a few good songs on it that never got any play.

I love both of the songs because they're REAL. These girls wrote them, and they weren't just written by the same people that write 90% of the music you ever hear.

I'm sure I got you thinking about Blair again. It sounds like you two had a great go of it, and what happened wasn't your fault. I don't think that he'd be happy if he knew you were sad when thinking about him.

I'm envious of you, actually. I think there were a few girls I dated that were really amazing, but my heart was never really in it. I don't think I'm capable of the type of love necessary to have anything lasting. I've been loved, but I don't think I've ever actually felt love. At least not the kind of love that remains after the newness phase of a relationship ends and the relationship becomes increasingly less about the Grand Gestures and just becomes routine.

What's that phrase? It's better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

It's okay SIX. Music can move to tears or near to tears.

I think I have heard it before but not sure where. Might have been on the radio in a car with one of Blair's friends that were driving me to do something for him.

They did get me thinking about him. I hope we did and I know what happened wasn't my fault. No, he wouldn't want me to ever be sad. But that is life and music.

Love is an odd emotion. I've had love that I thought would stay then didn't. Being wrapped in it was a wonderful feeling. I would like to find it again but not sure.

That is the phrase.

Don't worry about bringing me down. I can do that on my own at times.

Yeah. I always used to say something similar when I was young. That no matter what emotion I was feeling at the time, I could use music to change my mood quite easily. That's not usually as true these days as it was back in the age where you're not much more than a walking bundle of hormones going haywire, but the good songs still do the trick sometimes.

It's okay to be sad when you think of him. As much as I'm sure he doesn't want to see you sad, I'm sure he understands. And hell... maybe I'm just projecting, but I think most of us probably would secretly enjoy seeing people sad about is not being around anymore too, right? I think all of us want to believe that It's A Wonderful Life could be about us, or why would we watch it? Nobody wants to leave and look down and see that everybody is having a great time now that they're not around anymore.

Yanno... It's just... It is what it is. You feel what you feel when you feel it. That can't be helped none. It's what you chose to do that you've got control over.

I lost my friend's dad who was a mentor and like a 2nd father to me a few years back, and then my grandma who was the one person who just loved me unconditionally followed right after him. I know I haven't been the same ever since. Sometimes I feel like the version of me that was here when they were doesn't even exist anymore.

I'm still not over it. I disappeared into my projects and tuned most everything else out. I'm still doing that with my house right now, now that I've nearly completed what I wanted to do with the computer stuff. But at least I think it's a step back in the right direction. A step back toward real life.

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, May 17, 2026 11:28 PM (P)

He also put on a good religion show with 'Songs of Praise' he was big into worship music from Blacks, Whites he seemed to like the chords and melody from church.

can you imagine a K-Pop star of today putting Buddhist chants into their album or big Jesus songs? How many people today know he sang Miracle of the Rosary, I dont think he faked that I think he had a very faith, belief part to him
I dont know if he lived it, at times his life is contradiction but think Elvis had a real prayer religion side to him. He did have problems with weight was hooked on meds, I dont think it was for show I think he also belied in something and was spiritual and not in the Fake Plastic Evangelical way, sang a song from the Swedish 'O Store Gud' / How Great Thou Art. I think he had a genuine like for Gospel.

Served with the US in West Germany, from Mississippi, USA the old Silent Generation, the USSR the Ruskie the Iron Curtain of Communism was scary. People in 'The West' today take in foreign belief and immigration but they seem to reject their own religion, it was different back then.

'Amazing Grace'

and also "Crying in the Chapel"

then it changed, you didnt put those type of songs in your pop star album from the 1980s to today...maybe a Santa Claus song but the old Gospel stuff is gone from pop stars.

Priscilla Presley I know she was an activist for a while, maybe they in the movie tv world got to her after his death, she became a member of the L Ron Hubbard Scientologist gang, she made money on his brand with a new 'Agent Elvis' cartoon, Christina Hendricks and a bunch of other famous Hollywood names also voiced the toon.
Elvis Died aged 42

BRENDA

Monday, May 18, 2026 12:02 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
You, SIX are a rotten kid. I like both these songs. They speak to me in someway that have both almost had me in tears.

:( I'm sorry Brenda.

Did you know of 2AM before? I know it got good airplay back in the late 2000's. I actually had Anna's album. There were quite a few good songs on it that never got any play.

I love both of the songs because they're REAL. These girls wrote them, and they weren't just written by the same people that write 90% of the music you ever hear.

I'm sure I got you thinking about Blair again. It sounds like you two had a great go of it, and what happened wasn't your fault. I don't think that he'd be happy if he knew you were sad when thinking about him.

I'm envious of you, actually. I think there were a few girls I dated that were really amazing, but my heart was never really in it. I don't think I'm capable of the type of love necessary to have anything lasting. I've been loved, but I don't think I've ever actually felt love. At least not the kind of love that remains after the newness phase of a relationship ends and the relationship becomes increasingly less about the Grand Gestures and just becomes routine.

What's that phrase? It's better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

It's okay SIX. Music can move to tears or near to tears.

I think I have heard it before but not sure where. Might have been on the radio in a car with one of Blair's friends that were driving me to do something for him.

They did get me thinking about him. I hope we did and I know what happened wasn't my fault. No, he wouldn't want me to ever be sad. But that is life and music.

Love is an odd emotion. I've had love that I thought would stay then didn't. Being wrapped in it was a wonderful feeling. I would like to find it again but not sure.

That is the phrase.

Don't worry about bringing me down. I can do that on my own at times.

Yeah. I always used to say something similar when I was young. That no matter what emotion I was feeling at the time, I could use music to change my mood quite easily. That's not usually as true these days as it was back in the age where you're not much more than a walking bundle of hormones going haywire, but the good songs still do the trick sometimes.

It's okay to be sad when you think of him. As much as I'm sure he doesn't want to see you sad, I'm sure he understands. And hell... maybe I'm just projecting, but I think most of us probably would secretly enjoy seeing people sad about is not being around anymore too, right? I think all of us want to believe that It's A Wonderful Life could be about us, or why would we watch it? Nobody wants to leave and look down and see that everybody is having a great time now that they're not around anymore.

Yanno... It's just... It is what it is. You feel what you feel when you feel it. That can't be helped none. It's what you chose to do that you've got control over.

I lost my friend's dad who was a mentor and like a 2nd father to me a few years back, and then my grandma who was the one person who just loved me unconditionally followed right after him. I know I haven't been the same ever since. Sometimes I feel like the version of me that was here when they were doesn't even exist anymore.

I'm still not over it. I disappeared into my projects and tuned most everything else out. I'm still doing that with my house right now, now that I've nearly completed what I wanted to do with the computer stuff. But at least I think it's a step back in the ri

BRENDA

Monday, May 18, 2026 12:06 AM (P)

The deep religion Janyz came from the fact he was raised in the South as a Southern Baptist. To my understanding that church is heavy into music, so he sang in church.

"GI Blues" was also sort of around his time in the army.

Unless you are Blues today you can't put really heavy religious music into a pop album. Or you are part of a Christian band. Now that is an oxymoron if there ever was one.

He was also part Indian and yes his ex made more money off his name.

BRENDA

Monday, May 18, 2026 12:07 AM (P)

I'm not even sure "Halfbreed" could be redone without someone taking it totally out of context.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, May 18, 2026 10:01 AM (P)

You keep working on your writing if it makes you feel good, Brenda.

Now that your computer situation has been more or less squared away, is there something else that you could do to make it easier to get back into it?

What I mean is, perhaps you don't have your space "situated" right? I believe back in the 90's the wild term for it was Fung Shui?

I'm tellin' ya... I was never a believer in that hippie dippy bullshit before, but after finally getting off my ass and decluttering, figuring out what I have and what my needs were, and spending all that time resituating things and making those charging stations for my smaller tech or for other people to charge their own stuff when they get here, the space is working MUCH more for me than it ever was before.

And it will be even better when I get through a few more long-forgotten projects and then making some more firm decisions and I get even more stuff out of here.

It's a work in progress, and it won't happen overnight. But when I'm finally done I want to have a nice setup in the small bedroom with a good computer to work on projects and stuff. Treat myself to a really nice computer chair too. Something I actually enjoy sitting in. No more hunching over my couch in positions I shouldn't be sitting in for hours at a time if I ever go back to the project.

Think about it... Is there any reason that's keeping you from getting back into it? Is your workspace for writing not as appealing as it could be? Maybe a nice, comfortable chair is all your space needs?

Oh... and yeah. I know all about the hard part. Forgive me. I'm giving you advice I don't follow myself.

But maybe there's somebody out there that you're short-changing by not getting out there and introducing yourself to them.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, May 18, 2026 10:12 AM (P)

Been reading your stuff too, Jaynez. Just hadn't replied yet.

I'd say you got the point now for sure.

It's funny you mentioned the song "N on the Moon" in your reply. Have you seen that guy before then? Huh... did I post him here before even? That was the song I was actually looking for when I found out his channel had been banned. Honestly, I was shocked it found its way to my home feed and he had so many subscribers already and hadn't been banned way earlier.

Your post is talking some pretty big things, and yeah... it's all fake now. And that was kind of my point with starting this thread with a song as harmless as Lisa Loeb's Stay. I honestly believe that the song could not be made and released today without causing some controversy or another. Meanwhile, all the rap music keeps getting pumped out there for the kids with some of the worst lyrics you've ever heard in your life, and nobody ever seems to have any problem with that.

I don't know man. I've always been a lyrics guy. The person who knew all the words to the songs, and not just the chorus. The guy who could sing karaoke and didn't need to look at the teleprompter. Never knew what notes I was singing either, but I always hit them.

If I'm listening to music with words, I prefer them to mean something to me. Of course it's got to sound good, but if I don't care about what they're saying, I'm not going to have it on my playlist for long no matter how good it sounds.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

BRENDA

Monday, May 18, 2026 11:42 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You keep working on your writing if it makes you feel good, Brenda.

Now that your computer situation has been more or less squared away, is there something else that you could do to make it easier to get back into it?

What I mean is, perhaps you don't have your space "situated" right? I believe back in the 90's the wild term for it was Fung Shui?

I'm tellin' ya... I was never a believer in that hippie dippy bullshit before, but after finally getting off my ass and decluttering, figuring out what I have and what my needs were, and spending all that time resituating things and making those charging stations for my smaller tech or for other people to charge their own stuff when they get here, the space is working MUCH more for me than it ever was before.

And it will be even better when I get through a few more long-forgotten projects and then making some more firm decisions and I get even more stuff out of here.

It's a work in progress, and it won't happen overnight. But when I'm finally done I want to have a nice setup in the small bedroom with a good computer to work on projects and stuff. Treat myself to a really nice computer chair too. Something I actually enjoy sitting in. No more hunching over my couch in positions I shouldn't be sitting in for hours at a time if I ever go back to the project.

Think about it... Is there any reason that's keeping you from getting back into it? Is your workspace for writing not as appealing as it could be? Maybe a nice, comfortable chair is all your space needs?

Oh... and yeah. I know all about the hard part. Forgive me. I'm giving you advice I don't follow myself.

But maybe there's somebody out there that you're short-changing by not getting out there and introducing yourself to them.

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I am but I am having trouble getting the second book I am working just right. I keep writing the prologue and the first 3 chapters. Though I think I am closer now to how I want it to start. I have also sort written an ending for it.

That's me doing things backward.

The term was "Fung Shui" which is never really been my thing. I'm just tidying up papers around my table to see what I need and I don't need. Put things away so they aren't in my way.

That's what I always say. I'm a work in progress, specially since I've gotten older.

Oh, I'm sure there maybe someone out there but I just haven't met him yet.

BRENDA

Monday, May 18, 2026 11:44 PM (P)

Here's really another song that couldn't be done now. "Kaw-liga" it was put out in the 50's at least. First line is about a wooden Indian.

BRENDA

Tuesday, May 19, 2026 3:02 AM (P)

Jaynzes, here's something else you may not realize is music is vibrations. Beethoven was by all stories stone deaf towards the end of his life. But he understood that sound was vibration. It's said that he had the legs cut off of pianos so they laid flat on the floor. Then he would lay on the floor with one ear on it, so he could feel the vibrations to still be able to write.

The greatest symphonies and such were written by Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and the like. Modern composers cannot in my opinion come close. And neither would bloody AI.

Music is also mathematics. AI may understand the mathematics of music but there is no soul.

There are several things all humans have in common and is music. We all create it in some form. From a simple drum beat to flutes to whatever instrument you want to name. These forms all have soul.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 23, 2026 4:52 AM (P)

Yeah.... but....

So much of the music is fake and doesn't have any soul even though there's a living person doing it.

Not that this is anything new by 2026, but it just seems to be more pervasive now since so may "artists" don't actually play any instruments anymore.

I really think that MTV finally killed music.

There's exceptions to the rule, of course, but since the creation of MTV and everything that followed, the bottom line has been that if you're ugly, nobody is going to ever hear your music or care about it no matter how brilliant it is.

That wasn't necessarily the end of the world on its own, but that in tandem with the fact the industry is all run by people who don't care about music unless it makes them money, they don't care if it's good or if it means anything. And over time we've seen the artists become more and more beautiful with less and less music being put out that's worth anything. There may be 3 songs put out per year that anybody will remember 5 years from now, let alone end up being classics that people are still playing 50 years from now.

AI today can't recreate what even the most talentless new artsists can create, but the line in that sand is not very wide. My guess is that if people were okay with the trash shit they put out as "music" today made by actual human beings (or more accurately, performed by human monkeys but created by the algorithm), they're going to be just fine with all of our music being created by AI once it gets a little more advanced. Simply having human bodies there does not dictate that there is any soul to be found.

And again... when tickets for Taylor Swift were going for over $3,000 a piece a few years back, who the hell can blame them from walking away from the "real" artists anyhow.

I buy and pay for nearly half of everything I need to live for an entire year what some people were paying to see Taylor Swift in concert for 2 hours.

It's insanity.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

BRENDA

Saturday, May 23, 2026 6:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Yeah.... but....

So much of the music is fake and doesn't have any soul even though there's a living person doing it.

Not that this is anything new by 2026, but it just seems to be more pervasive now since so may "artists" don't actually play any instruments anymore.

I really think that MTV finally killed music.

There's exceptions to the rule, of course, but since the creation of MTV and everything that followed, the bottom line has been that if you're ugly, nobody is going to ever hear your music or care about it no matter how brilliant it is.

That wasn't necessarily the end of the world on its own, but that in tandem with the fact the industry is all run by people who don't care about music unless it makes them money, they don't care if it's good or if it means anything. And over time we've seen the artists become more and more beautiful with less and less music being put out that's worth anything. There may be 3 songs put out per year that anybody will remember 5 years from now, let alone end up being classics that people are still playing 50 years from now.

AI today can't recreate what even the most talentless new artsists can create, but the line in that sand is not very wide. My guess is that if people were okay with the trash shit they put out as "music" today made by actual human beings (or more accurately, performed by human monkeys but created by the algorithm), they're going to be just fine with all of our music being created by AI once it gets a little more advanced. Simply having human bodies there does not dictate that there is any soul to be found.

And again... when tickets for Taylor Swift were going for over $3,000 a piece a few years back, who the hell can blame them from walking away from the "real" artists anyhow.

I buy and pay for nearly half of everything I need to live for an entire year what some people were paying to see Taylor Swift in concert for 2 hours.

It's insanity.

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Oh, I agree that a lot of people play or sing and think they are just wonderful but in reality they are horrible. My boss is like. She plays the guitar and thinks is wonderful at it but I've heard her and that is a hard no.

I have noticed that about today's "artists" but that happened in the middle of Surfer music back in the 60s. Some of those groups didn't play anything either.

Oh, I think we all know has the music industry has changed over last decades. But it's not only music producers that can dumb down a singer or a musician. Managers play a huge part in things too.

Like I said AI may understand the mathematics of it but as you said along with me no soul.

Music is about soul. I do not look forward to all that AI garbage. And that will when it happens I will be looking at things more closely.

You wouldn't get me paying anything like that for her. As far as she's concerned all she does is stand there and look pretty.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 23, 2026 8:06 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Oh, I agree that a lot of people play or sing and think they are just wonderful but in reality they are horrible. My boss is like. She plays the guitar and thinks is wonderful at it but I've heard her and that is a hard no.

Yeah... I was that guy. I will admit that younger, more annoying me that still thought I was the bright shiny center of the universe put people through that before. I "played" a lot, but I was never any good. I would have actually had to learn music theory and practice actual drills to get good. I was just trying to use computer tablature and memorize songs I liked, and although that worked out great for my singing and I killed it every Karaoke Night, I was never good at guitar. But that didn't stop me from annoying people with it.

Every time I watch Animal House and John Belushi takes that guy's acoustic guitar and smashes it I cringe because somebody should have done that to me years ago.

Quote:
I have noticed that about today's "artists" but that happened in the middle of Surfer music back in the 60s. Some of those groups didn't play anything either.

I mean, pop music has been around a long time, sure... but usually there were quite a few artists that were real artists doing their thing in the spotlight too. I don't mind at all that music I don't like exists. I just think that the scales have tipped so far one way now that it's hard to find anything new that's good. Every once in a while while working out in my garage during the summer there will be a new one that's worth a listen, but it ain't often. I know full well that's partly because I'm on the bad end of the joke now about how new music becomes nothing but noise to old people... But things genuinely are different this time. My old man's biggest complaint about new music when I was a kid was all the synthesizers and that nobody played instruments anymore. But that wasn't true... A lot of pop acts, especially in the 80's were all synth and computers, but there was always plenty of other music out there with real instruments to listen to as well. Now in most cases if you want that, you've just got to listen to old music. They don't really make that anymore. And like Jaynez said, there's really no "bands" anymore. Most of the time that there are people playing instruments for the stars, they're just studio musicians doing part-time gigs when a star has a song that actually needs real talent to play.

And about Taylor, I'm not even trash talking just to trash talk her. Though she is starting to age now, and I think that's probably contributing to her sudden "not being the most popular thing on the planet", she's always been more than just a pretty face. As far as I know, she writes all of her own stuff. I know that she can play guitar a hell of a lot better than I ever will, even though I would guess most of her fans wouldn't even know that about her unless they were superfans because that's not how she became a household name and that all predates her rise to superstardom.

In fact, there have been 2 songs by Taylor that I really, genuinely liked. And that's despite the fact that a lot or even most of that music behind them are synthisized.

This is one of those...

I'm not a Taylor Swift fan, but I can say that song is objectively a good song despite the fact there isn't a real instrument on display.

And anybody looking at those lyrics and thinking that they're too trite, I would disagree. She's talking about how she's a dangerous mess, and she's aware that she gets away with a lot of shit that most women would never be able to get away with because of her looks. She even says half a dozen times "Don't Say I didn't Warn Ya", in between laughing about how this relationship will probably be over before

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 23, 2026 9:15 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Oh, I think we all know has the music industry has changed over last decades. But it's not only music producers that can dumb down a singer or a musician. Managers play a huge part in things too.

At the end of the day, they do it themselves. That's just the way their bread gets buttered. Keep your integrity and struggle for the rest of your life, or sell out and have some really great times and maybe a really easy life if you're not absolutely terrible with money. I think that's a pretty simple equation for most people who are lucky enough to be presented with it.

That's what I George Michael's was singing about in Freedom...

Official Music Video:

Lyric Video:

Interestingly enough, I think that is an example of a song that I think could easily get made today, yet I'm surprised it got through the various censors and corporate filters it would have needed to in order to get out to the public at all back when it was made. And this has nothing at all to do with the fact he was gay. Other than certain lyrics like "didn't we, boy" that pop up from time to time, there doesn't appear to be any correlation between the exclamation of "FREEDOM" and anything to do with gay culture, whatsoever. Either it was about his personal experiences with other boys when he was younger, or perhaps he is quoting a gay and rapey executive with power and how he was talked to by some big shot back in the days when you couldn't even talk about that stuff. Or maybe it was just a happy lyric talking about friends and that was just how he talked to all of his male friends. The addition of those lyrics is incidental.

90% of the dummies out there never learn a single lyric of any song outside of the chorus. Most of those that do only ever bother for songs they really like. Easy to hide a song like this and the implications behind it by putting on full-blast "HEY AMERICA! GEORGE MICHAEL IS GAY!" and getting everyone to mistake this early attempt at whistleblowing the industry as a pride anthem or some nonsense instead.

Today it doesn't matter because everybody knows about all of it but barely finds the time to care at all. We all get outraged about something for 10 seconds and then it's off to the next thing to be angry about. Maybe George proved that I'm wrong and it didn't matter 30 years ago before the internet was even a thing.

Because I think this song was actually a cry for help that fell completely on deaf ears by his fans, the public in general and everyone close to him in his real life.

An admission that despite all the fame and the success that he was a joke. A pawn. A tool for somebody else who has spent his entire career "taking the knife as well", whenever choosing not to question anything buttering his bread made him do.

I'm really surprised that some corporate suit didn't find a way to bury the idea of this song with George in that casket.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

BRENDA

Saturday, May 23, 2026 11:40 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Oh, I agree that a lot of people play or sing and think they are just wonderful but in reality they are horrible. My boss is like. She plays the guitar and thinks is wonderful at it but I've heard her and that is a hard no.

Yeah... I was that guy. I will admit that younger, more annoying me that still thought I was the bright shiny center of the universe put people through that before. I "played" a lot, but I was never any good. I would have actually had to learn music theory and practice actual drills to get good. I was just trying to use computer tablature and memorize songs I liked, and although that worked out great for my singing and I killed it every Karaoke Night, I was never good at guitar. But that didn't stop me from annoying people with it.

Every time I watch Animal House and John Belushi takes that guy's acoustic guitar and smashes it I cringe because somebody should have done that to me years ago.

Quote:
I have noticed that about today's "artists" but that happened in the middle of Surfer music back in the 60s. Some of those groups didn't play anything either.

I mean, pop music has been around a long time, sure... but usually there were quite a few artists that were real artists doing their thing in the spotlight too. I don't mind at all that music I don't like exists. I just think that the scales have tipped so far one way now that it's hard to find anything new that's good. Every once in a while while working out in my garage during the summer there will be a new one that's worth a listen, but it ain't often. I know full well that's partly because I'm on the bad end of the joke now about how new music becomes nothing but noise to old people... But things genuinely are different this time. My old man's biggest complaint about new music when I was a kid was all the synthesizers and that nobody played instruments anymore. But that wasn't true... A lot of pop acts, especially in the 80's were all synth and computers, but there was always plenty of other music out there with real instruments to listen to as well. Now in most cases if you want that, you've just got to listen to old music. They don't really make that anymore. And like Jaynez said, there's really no "bands" anymore. Most of the time that there are people playing instruments for the stars, they're just studio musicians doing part-time gigs when a star has a song that actually needs real talent to play.

And about Taylor, I'm not even trash talking just to trash talk her. Though she is starting to age now, and I think that's probably contributing to her sudden "not being the most popular thing on the planet", she's always been more than just a pretty face. As far as I know, she writes all of her own stuff. I know that she can play guitar a hell of a lot better than I ever will, even though I would guess most of her fans wouldn't even know that about her unless they were superfans because that's not how she became a household name and that all predates her rise to superstardom.

In fact, there have been 2 songs by Taylor that I really, genuinely liked. And that's despite the fact that a lot or even most of that music behind them are synthisized.

This is one of those...

I'm not a Taylor Swift fan, but I can say that song is objectively a good song despite the fact there isn't a real instrument on display.

And anybody looking at those lyrics and thinking that they're too trite, I would disagree. She's talking about how she's a dangerous mess, and she's aware that she gets away with a lot of shit that most women would never be able to get away with because of her looks. She even says half a dozen times "Don't Say I didn't Warn Ya", in between laughing about how

BRENDA

Saturday, May 23, 2026 11:47 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Oh, I think we all know has the music industry has changed over last decades. But it's not only music producers that can dumb down a singer or a musician. Managers play a huge part in things too.

At the end of the day, they do it themselves. That's just the way their bread gets buttered. Keep your integrity and struggle for the rest of your life, or sell out and have some really great times and maybe a really easy life if you're not absolutely terrible with money. I think that's a pretty simple equation for most people who are lucky enough to be presented with it.

That's what I George Michael's was singing about in Freedom...

Official Music Video:

Lyric Video:

Interestingly enough, I think that is an example of a song that I think could easily get made today, yet I'm surprised it got through the various censors and corporate filters it would have needed to in order to get out to the public at all back when it was made. And this has nothing at all to do with the fact he was gay. Other than certain lyrics like "didn't we, boy" that pop up from time to time, there doesn't appear to be any correlation between the exclamation of "FREEDOM" and anything to do with gay culture, whatsoever. Either it was about his personal experiences with other boys when he was younger, or perhaps he is quoting a gay and rapey executive with power and how he was talked to by some big shot back in the days when you couldn't even talk about that stuff. Or maybe it was just a happy lyric talking about friends and that was just how he talked to all of his male friends. The addition of those lyrics is incidental.

90% of the dummies out there never learn a single lyric of any song outside of the chorus. Most of those that do only ever bother for songs they really like. Easy to hide a song like this and the implications behind it by putting on full-blast "HEY AMERICA! GEORGE MICHAEL IS GAY!" and getting everyone to mistake this early attempt at whistleblowing the industry as a pride anthem or some nonsense instead.

Today it doesn't matter because everybody knows about all of it but barely finds the time to care at all. We all get outraged about something for 10 seconds and then it's off to the next thing to be angry about. Maybe George proved that I'm wrong and it didn't matter 30 years ago before the internet was even a thing.

Because I think this song was actually a cry for help that fell completely on deaf ears by his fans, the public in general and everyone close to him in his real life.

An admission that despite all the fame and the success that he was a joke. A pawn. A tool for somebody else who has spent his entire career "taking the knife as well", whenever choosing not to question anything buttering his bread made him do.

I'm really surprised that some corporate suit didn't find a way to bury the idea of this song with George in that casket.

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Be Nice. Don't be a dick.

Sure some singers/musicians do sabotage themselves. Not saying they don't. Drugs, booze and easy access to it has brought down many a artist.

I love George Michaels' "Freedom". I've got it on tape somewhere. It speaks to me in a lot of ways. Yeah, I think it could me made today as well.

That's like the Rolling Stones on the Ed Sullivan show all those years ago having to change a word in one of their songs. Song was "Let's spend the night together" to "Let's Spend some time together." I always find that funny but that's the world back then. People flipped out at Elvis for getting up on stage and swinging his hips ar

SECOND

Sunday, May 24, 2026 6:21 PM (P)

The Soundtracking of America

Music made sense when the world did. Now the sense is gone, but the melody lingers on -- everywhere. We live surrounded by music, from torch songs at Starbucks to the Beatles in the elevator, and the barrage may be turning our minds to mush

By J. Bottum | March 2000 Issue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bottum_(author)

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/03/the-soundtracking
-of-america/378052/

. . . music stands fairly low on the traditional list of devices by which we try to understand human experience. Who ever learned anything from music except the emotional power of music? It's a thin rather than an intellectually thick art form, and a people that takes music as the highest expression has cut itself off from narrative, epic, allegory -- from the explanatory arts that could put to any use the emotions music represents.

. . . Music is not culture. It's the mist that plays above culture. A people that takes its music as fundamental art -- as we have taken music, making the all-penetrating surround of recorded noise the single most apparent fact of American society -- has mistaken the foam for the sea. "I am fond of music," Hermann Hesse observes in his novel Demian, "I think because it is so amoral." Hesse was right about music's genuine amorality: in a culture organized around good thought, music will express the moods fitting that thought, whereas in a culture organized around bad thought, music will express the moods fitting that, too.

But what happens in a culture without thought, a culture with expression but nothing to express? The way we listen to music re-creates, more than anything else, Hesse's Glass Bead Game: a complex and sophisticated rite filled with delicate connections perceived by its priestly scholastics, lacking any meaning, and consuming the culture's intellectual and emotional energy. All that remains is ironic incongruity and the decadent moods that can survive irony: memory and desire -- or, rather, nostalgia and concupiscence, the feeling of memory without anything to remember and the arousal of desire without any object of desire.

It seems a cruelly small profit on our enormous investment, our vast sophistication, our wiring of the entire nation for sound. Everyone I know adores music, as I do. But our elevation of a secondary art costs us something. Music cannot build a culture, and in America today music is in the way -- keeping us from the higher arts that could aim at a unified idea and a public metaphysics, a purpose and meaning for our all-encircling noise.

Read the entire article, without being a subscriber, by clicking in the Firefox browser on this link https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/03/the-soundtracking
-of-america/378052/ followed by toggling reader view with the F9 key followed by reloading the current page with the two key combination Ctrl+R

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

BRENDA

Sunday, May 24, 2026 11:40 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The Soundtracking of America

Music made sense when the world did. Now the sense is gone, but the melody lingers on -- everywhere. We live surrounded by music, from torch songs at Starbucks to the Beatles in the elevator, and the barrage may be turning our minds to mush

By J. Bottum | March 2000 Issue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bottum_(author)

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/03/the-soundtracking
-of-america/378052/

. . . music stands fairly low on the traditional list of devices by which we try to understand human experience. Who ever learned anything from music except the emotional power of music? It's a thin rather than an intellectually thick art form, and a people that takes music as the highest expression has cut itself off from narrative, epic, allegory -- from the explanatory arts that could put to any use the emotions music represents.

. . . Music is not culture. It's the mist that plays above culture. A people that takes its music as fundamental art -- as we have taken music, making the all-penetrating surround of recorded noise the single most apparent fact of American society -- has mistaken the foam for the sea. "I am fond of music," Hermann Hesse observes in his novel Demian, "I think because it is so amoral." Hesse was right about music's genuine amorality: in a culture organized around good thought, music will express the moods fitting that thought, whereas in a culture organized around bad thought, music will express the moods fitting that, too.

But what happens in a culture without thought, a culture with expression but nothing to express? The way we listen to music re-creates, more than anything else, Hesse's Glass Bead Game: a complex and sophisticated rite filled with delicate connections perceived by its priestly scholastics, lacking any meaning, and consuming the culture's intellectual and emotional energy. All that remains is ironic incongruity and the decadent moods that can survive irony: memory and desire -- or, rather, nostalgia and concupiscence, the feeling of memory without anything to remember and the arousal of desire without any object of desire.

It seems a cruelly small profit on our enormous investment, our vast sophistication, our wiring of the entire nation for sound. Everyone I know adores music, as I do. But our elevation of a secondary art costs us something. Music cannot build a culture, and in America today music is in the way -- keeping us from the higher arts that could aim at a unified idea and a public metaphysics, a purpose and meaning for our all-encircling noise.

Read the entire article, without being a subscriber, by clicking in the Firefox browser on this link https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/03/the-soundtracking
-of-america/378052/ followed by toggling reader view with the F9 key followed by reloading the current page with the two key combination Ctrl+R

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND, I like being wired for sound and have grown up with pretty well any genre of music you can think of.

So drone on about music being nothing and just an emotional roller coaster. I don't care.

Here's another thought on your tirade about music being the "opioid" of the masses. Eons ago a simple drum beat could convey messages. And depending where it was being sent from could be heard a mile or so away. Those messages could have been good hunting, fire is coming, the enemy is coming and do you realize who the enemy was it was the white man. Oh, sorry. I should have qualified that by adding in colonial times and later.

BRENDA

Sunday, May 24, 2026 11:42 PM (P)

Though SIX, I've never been fond of Bob Dylan but yeah he never sold out. Another one that I don't think sold out was Arlo Guthrie, son of Woody Guthrie. Woody Guthrie travelled around the US during the Depression singing. Rode the rails as they used to say. He finally I think recorded a few albums. They should be around to this day.

BRENDA

Monday, May 25, 2026 2:45 AM (P)

I wonder if "Revolution" could be remade today. It was and is heavily political. Gotta love the Beatles.

BRENDA

Tuesday, May 26, 2026 4:14 AM (P)

Probably couldn't do "Every breath you take" by the Police. Too stalkerish.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, May 27, 2026 7:07 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Probably couldn't do "Every breath you take" by the Police. Too stalkerish.

Yeah... That's a great example.

My god man. That one probably should have come with a warning.

How many kids you think grew up listening to that and thought it was normal behavior? Sounds like a love song until you really pay attention to the lyrics.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, May 27, 2026 7:10 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Though SIX, I've never been fond of Bob Dylan but yeah he never sold out. Another one that I don't think sold out was Arlo Guthrie, son of Woody Guthrie. Woody Guthrie travelled around the US during the Depression singing. Rode the rails as they used to say. He finally I think recorded a few albums. They should be around to this day.

I think I heard from my uncle though that there was actually some controversy with Bob Dylan and that a lot of his fans said he sold out when he started playing electric guitar.

Seems like the more things change, the more they stay the same, huh?

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

BRENDA

Wednesday, May 27, 2026 10:02 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Probably couldn't do "Every breath you take" by the Police. Too stalkerish.

Yeah... That's a great example.

My god man. That one probably should have come with a warning.

How many kids you think grew up listening to that and thought it was normal behavior? Sounds like a love song until you really pay attention to the lyrics.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

I know and even for the 80s it should have come with a warning.

Don't want to think how many kids that could have screwed up.

It took me a bit to see where Blair was going. He HATED that song. His law career was spent helping women and children get out of some bad, bad situations.

BRENDA

Wednesday, May 27, 2026 10:05 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Though SIX, I've never been fond of Bob Dylan but yeah he never sold out. Another one that I don't think sold out was Arlo Guthrie, son of Woody Guthrie. Woody Guthrie travelled around the US during the Depression singing. Rode the rails as they used to say. He finally I think recorded a few albums. They should be around to this day.

I think I heard from my uncle though that there was actually some controversy with Bob Dylan and that a lot of his fans said he sold out when he started playing electric guitar.

Seems like the more things change, the more they stay the same, huh?

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

Ah, geez. We think it is ridiculous now but to the hippies that would have been the ultimate sell out. I mean how could he have given up his acoustic guitar for electric.

BRENDA

Wednesday, May 27, 2026 10:12 AM (P)

The Monkees on some of their shows at the end would do little interviews and one of them, can't remember who. He said a reporter once asked him if they played their instruments, really played and sang. I think it must have been Mike as he was the most serious of them and he told the reporter yes, they were really playing and singing on stage and on the show.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, May 27, 2026 12:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Probably couldn't do "Every breath you take" by the Police. Too stalkerish.

Yeah... That's a great example.

My god man. That one probably should have come with a warning.

How many kids you think grew up listening to that and thought it was normal behavior? Sounds like a love song until you really pay attention to the lyrics.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

I know and even for the 80s it should have come with a warning.

Don't want to think how many kids that could have screwed up.

It took me a bit to see where Blair was going. He HATED that song. His law career was spent helping women and children get out of some bad, bad situations.

Yeah... It's such a great sounding song and got a ton of airplay. I was around the age where I was just starting to crush on girls even though they all still had cooties and when you're a little hormone filled dummy it just sounds like what you were probably already doing in your mind.

Then you forget about it for 20 years and read an article where Sting was interviewed and he's like "of course it's a stalker anthem" with a laugh.

Yeah... It's just a weird one. That's an example of a song where it sounds great but I don't have it on my player because it says nothing I want to listen to today.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, May 27, 2026 12:56 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Though SIX, I've never been fond of Bob Dylan but yeah he never sold out. Another one that I don't think sold out was Arlo Guthrie, son of Woody Guthrie. Woody Guthrie travelled around the US during the Depression singing. Rode the rails as they used to say. He finally I think recorded a few albums. They should be around to this day.

I think I heard from my uncle though that there was actually some controversy with Bob Dylan and that a lot of his fans said he sold out when he started playing electric guitar.

Seems like the more things change, the more they stay the same, huh?

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

Ah, geez. We think it is ridiculous now but to the hippies that would have been the ultimate sell out. I mean how could he have given up his acoustic guitar for electric.

Yeah... and it was just one step down the degenerative rabbit hole in music.

But to Bob I'm sure it was just a new way of playing songs. A new tool for the artist to express themselves. I'm sure his audience changed quite a bit when he made the transition.

There's obviously nothing superior about either instrument. They're in the same family, sure, but that's about it. There are just so many things that you can do with one of them that you can't do with the other.

But the fans didn't see it that way.

They sounded just like we do today when complaining about AI generated music.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

BRENDA

Wednesday, May 27, 2026 11:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Probably couldn't do "Every breath you take" by the Police. Too stalkerish.

Yeah... That's a great example.

My god man. That one probably should have come with a warning.

How many kids you think grew up listening to that and thought it was normal behavior? Sounds like a love song until you really pay attention to the lyrics.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

I know and even for the 80s it should have come with a warning.

Don't want to think how many kids that could have screwed up.

It took me a bit to see where Blair was going. He HATED that song. His law career was spent helping women and children get out of some bad, bad situations.

Yeah... It's such a great sounding song and got a ton of airplay. I was around the age where I was just starting to crush on girls even though they all still had cooties and when you're a little hormone filled dummy it just sounds like what you were probably already doing in your mind.

Then you forget about it for 20 years and read an article where Sting was interviewed and he's like "of course it's a stalker anthem" with a laugh.

Yeah... It's just a weird one. That's an example of a song where it sounds great but I don't have it on my player because it says nothing I want to listen to today.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

I have it on tape but I don't listen to it much. I've two or three Police songs on tape. Maybe another one of Sting solo.

BRENDA

Wednesday, May 27, 2026 11:34 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Though SIX, I've never been fond of Bob Dylan but yeah he never sold out. Another one that I don't think sold out was Arlo Guthrie, son of Woody Guthrie. Woody Guthrie travelled around the US during the Depression singing. Rode the rails as they used to say. He finally I think recorded a few albums. They should be around to this day.

I think I heard from my uncle though that there was actually some controversy with Bob Dylan and that a lot of his fans said he sold out when he started playing electric guitar.

Seems like the more things change, the more they stay the same, huh?

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

Ah, geez. We think it is ridiculous now but to the hippies that would have been the ultimate sell out. I mean how could he have given up his acoustic guitar for electric.

Yeah... and it was just one step down the degenerative rabbit hole in music.

But to Bob I'm sure it was just a new way of playing songs. A new tool for the artist to express themselves. I'm sure his audience changed quite a bit when he made the transition.

There's obviously nothing superior about either instrument. They're in the same family, sure, but that's about it. There are just so many things that you can do with one of them that you can't do with the other.

But the fans didn't see it that way.

They sounded just like we do today when complaining about AI generated music.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

Yeah, and I'm sure to Bob it was just that. I bet his audiences did change. Doing that probably attracted a younger crowd that were just starting to hear electric. Jimi Hendrix played at Woodstock and all he played was electric.

Audiences changed. Beatles fans were really p'od when they broke up even though they knew it long before it happened.

Yup. Strange thing.

BRENDA

Wednesday, May 27, 2026 11:34 PM (P)

Wonder about Roxanne?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, May 28, 2026 5:33 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Wonder about Roxanne?

I think you're right, but probably not for the reasons you're thinking.

My guess is that the Lefties in the US would come out screaming about a no-good man trying to talk a "sex-worker" out of her lucrative, independent career taking advantage of poor and stupid men.

The average collage educated woman in America LOVES "sex-workers" and online whore culture. If they aren't one, they secretly or not even secretly wish they could be one.

I'm just thinking about some of the lines now...

"You don't have to wear that dress tonight".

You're damn right I don't have to wear it. I do what I want. Imma go make me some money since you're a broke ass scrub.

Yeah... I think they'd view the song as trying to shame the poor "sex-workers".

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, May 28, 2026 5:40 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
I have it on tape but I don't listen to it much. I've two or three Police songs on tape. Maybe another one of Sting solo.

Wow... that's about my count too.

Synchronicity II is hand's down my favorite song of theirs. Don't Stand So Close To Me is a certified banger. Every Breath You Take would be the third if it wasn't for the lyrics.

I love Sting's solo song Desert Rose.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, May 28, 2026 5:41 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Yeah, and I'm sure to Bob it was just that. I bet his audiences did change. Doing that probably attracted a younger crowd that were just starting to hear electric. Jimi Hendrix played at Woodstock and all he played was electric.

Audiences changed. Beatles fans were really p'od when they broke up even though they knew it long before it happened.

Yup. Strange thing.

Yeah...

30 years from now kids are going to wonder how we even made music without AI.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

BRENDA

Thursday, May 28, 2026 9:42 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Wonder about Roxanne?

I think you're right, but probably not for the reasons you're thinking.

My guess is that the Lefties in the US would come out screaming about a no-good man trying to talk a "sex-worker" out of her lucrative, independent career taking advantage of poor and stupid men.

The average collage educated woman in America LOVES "sex-workers" and online whore culture. If they aren't one, they secretly or not even secretly wish they could be one.

I'm just thinking about some of the lines now...

"You don't have to wear that dress tonight".

You're damn right I don't have to wear it. I do what I want. Imma go make me some money since you're a broke ass scrub.

Yeah... I think they'd view the song as trying to shame the poor "sex-workers".

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

Yeah, you are probably closer to what people would think of that song now. I was thinking more along the lines of being possessive of someone.

This is another one I have one tape.

BRENDA

Thursday, May 28, 2026 9:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
I have it on tape but I don't listen to it much. I've two or three Police songs on tape. Maybe another one of Sting solo.

Wow... that's about my count too.

Synchronicity II is hand's down my favorite song of theirs. Don't Stand So Close To Me is a certified banger. Every Breath You Take would be the third if it wasn't for the lyrics.

I love Sting's solo song Desert Rose.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

Yup, Don't Stand So Close to Me. Have that on tape too.

Never heard Desert Rose.

BRENDA

Thursday, May 28, 2026 9:48 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Yeah, and I'm sure to Bob it was just that. I bet his audiences did change. Doing that probably attracted a younger crowd that were just starting to hear electric. Jimi Hendrix played at Woodstock and all he played was electric.

Audiences changed. Beatles fans were really p'od when they broke up even though they knew it long before it happened.

Yup. Strange thing.

Yeah...

30 years from now kids are going to wonder how we even made music without AI.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

Sadly, that I imagine will become true.

BRENDA

Thursday, May 28, 2026 11:27 AM (P)

Another this is by Cher "Git Down". It's about a woman who is a groupie and follows the bands.

"A woman on the roads leads a loose and lovin' life"

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, May 28, 2026 12:21 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
I have it on tape but I don't listen to it much. I've two or three Police songs on tape. Maybe another one of Sting solo.

Wow... that's about my count too.

Synchronicity II is hand's down my favorite song of theirs. Don't Stand So Close To Me is a certified banger. Every Breath You Take would be the third if it wasn't for the lyrics.

I love Sting's solo song Desert Rose.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

Yup, Don't Stand So Close to Me. Have that on tape too.

Never heard Desert Rose.

I'll put it in the Music thread. I don't want to keep showing vids in here when I gave Jaynez crap for turning this into another Music thread.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, May 29, 2026 1:44 AM (P)

ok staying with 'words'

Ronnie, Talk to Russia
https://soundcloud.com/prince/ronnie-talk-to-russia
Prince

Here's one songs of hidden mean, subtle cryptic protest hidden within a poem, some in the West were more free while others lived under theocracy, dictators etc Some songs are just about guys Cheating getting high and drunk or 'Sluts' who cheat...a girl named Macarena who cheats on her boyfriend with two friends while he’s being drafted into the army. Some are less subtle but then evolve Beatles’ ‘Back in the U.S.S.R.’: a nod to their fans behind the Iron Curtain, the parodies that later became a peace offerings. Political protests against leaders, mass shootings, criminal rapist culture, Not so much a great song, I never liked the vocal on Nirvana but I give him a nod for highling the crime and rape and abuse, ‘Polly’ it later played with benefits to help rape victims. Lots of hidden meanings in Latin America and Spanish songs, Flores, by Cuban artist Danay Suarez, is about resisting “stones” with “flowers” and from Japan layer upon layer of history in a protest song from 1961 that became the top song in the US. Sukiyaki by Kyu Sakamoto has an amazing back story it mourned the change in his own Japanese culture. But very few people realized that this song, written by Kyu’s friend Rousuke Ei, was inspired by the deep sense of injustic. The phrase "I don't like Mondays" there is some English Irish, Jew-Anglo-Irish guy maybe Geldof, it became famous from a 1979 song by Boomtown Rats, inspired by a tragic school shooting, and has since entered popular culture, the song followed years after he boasted the Boomtown Rats were bigger than some US bands and after Dylan/Woody Guthrie influences were part of his , it was controversial back then when there were less shootings so can you do it now? "Pumped Up Kicks" is a song by American indie pop band Foster the People that one was almost banned it was released as the band's debut single in September 2010. Iran Middle East comments they did it already "Rock the Casbah" is a song by the English punk rock band the Clash. A great political song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” you are not allowed criticize both sides anymore you must pick a side in the Uniparty system.

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Beethoven was by all stories stone deaf towards the end of his life. But he understood that sound was vibration. It's said that he had the legs cut off of pianos so they laid flat on the floor. Then he would lay on the floor with one ear on it, so he could feel the vibrations to still be able to write.

The greatest symphonies and such were written by Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and the like. Modern composers cannot in my opinion come close. And neither would bloody AI.

Music is also mathematics. AI may understand the mathematics of music but there is no soul.

I read he also had perfect pitch, that's why he could remember his 'music' scores, he knows what every instrument plays where every note should be, his strings and flutes and drums, he could read a musical notation and hear it perfectly in his head.

Forgot Elvis was a mutt-mix of immigration and Native, I knew he was Native and something else, he probably experienced the melting pot of sounds that inspired him.

BRENDA

Friday, May 29, 2026 3:11 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
I have it on tape but I don't listen to it much. I've two or three Police songs on tape. Maybe another one of Sting solo.

Wow... that's about my count too.

Synchronicity II is hand's down my favorite song of theirs. Don't Stand So Close To Me is a certified banger. Every Breath You Take would be the third if it wasn't for the lyrics.

I love Sting's solo song Desert Rose.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

Yup, Don't Stand So Close to Me. Have that on tape too.

Never heard Desert Rose.

I'll put it in the Music thread. I don't want to keep showing vids in here when I gave Jaynez crap for turning this into another Music thread.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

No worries.

BRENDA

Friday, May 29, 2026 3:14 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
ok staying with 'words'

Ronnie, Talk to Russia
https://soundcloud.com/prince/ronnie-talk-to-russia
Prince

Here's one songs of hidden mean, subtle cryptic protest hidden within a poem, some in the West were more free while others lived under theocracy, dictators etc Some songs are just about guys Cheating getting high and drunk or 'Sluts' who cheat...a girl named Macarena who cheats on her boyfriend with two friends while he’s being drafted into the army. Some are less subtle but then evolve Beatles’ ‘Back in the U.S.S.R.’: a nod to their fans behind the Iron Curtain, the parodies that later became a peace offerings. Political protests against leaders, mass shootings, criminal rapist culture, Not so much a great song, I never liked the vocal on Nirvana but I give him a nod for highling the crime and rape and abuse, ‘Polly’ it later played with benefits to help rape victims. Lots of hidden meanings in Latin America and Spanish songs, Flores, by Cuban artist Danay Suarez, is about resisting “stones” with “flowers” and from Japan layer upon layer of history in a protest song from 1961 that became the top song in the US. Sukiyaki by Kyu Sakamoto has an amazing back story it mourned the change in his own Japanese culture. But very few people realized that this song, written by Kyu’s friend Rousuke Ei, was inspired by the deep sense of injustic. The phrase "I don't like Mondays" there is some English Irish, Jew-Anglo-Irish guy maybe Geldof, it became famous from a 1979 song by Boomtown Rats, inspired by a tragic school shooting, and has since entered popular culture, the song followed years after he boasted the Boomtown Rats were bigger than some US bands and after Dylan/Woody Guthrie influences were part of his , it was controversial back then when there were less shootings so can you do it now? "Pumped Up Kicks" is a song by American indie pop band Foster the People that one was almost banned it was released as the band's debut single in September 2010. Iran Middle East comments they did it already "Rock the Casbah" is a song by the English punk rock band the Clash. A great political song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” you are not allowed criticize both sides anymore you must pick a side in the Uniparty system.

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Beethoven was by all stories stone deaf towards the end of his life. But he understood that sound was vibration. It's said that he had the legs cut off of pianos so they laid flat on the floor. Then he would lay on the floor with one ear on it, so he could feel the vibrations to still be able to write.

The greatest symphonies and such were written by Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and the like. Modern composers cannot in my opinion come close. And neither would bloody AI.

Music is also mathematics. AI may understand the mathematics of music but there is no soul.

I read he also had perfect pitch, that's why he could remember his 'music' scores, he knows what every instrument plays where every note should be, his strings and flutes and drums, he could read a musical notation and hear it perfectly in his head.

Forgot Elvis was a mutt-mix of immigration and Native, I knew he was Native and something else, he probably experienced the melting pot of sounds that inspired him.

Beethoven probably did and in my opinion was the greatest classical composer next to Bach.

I'm sure Elvis did as a lot of us do. Music is universal around this world. It is one of things that enriches us all.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 29, 2026 5:41 AM (P)

I'm surprised that Pumped Up Kicks would have been banned.

Yanno... since we've been living in Clown World since about 2012.

This is again, kind of the point of the thread... That we live in a world where songs about shooting up schools to a beat you can dance to are fine, but Lisa Loeb would be shunned on lefty online hell for Stay.

But then you said that Pumped Up Kicks was made in 2010, and that kind of changes things a bit. We were still reasonably sane back then, at least relatively speaking.

Huh... I had no idea it was that old. The first time I'd heard it was probably in 2018 at work. I could only make out some of the words of the chorus but loved the sound. Wasn't until I finally figured out what song it was and listened to it at home when I went "Holy shit. That's not what I was expecting. It's such a happy sounding song".

Don't get me wrong. I like the song. It's on my playlist.

I remember one of the guys from the band in an interview laughing about how all the yuppies would be dancing to this song, not knowing what the hell they were dancing to. I get the feeling that he probably hates his audiences as much as Kurt Cobain hated his audience and wrote songs making fun of them, like In Bloom.

It's right along the same lines of OutKast making fun of all the white people weddings playing Hey Ya...

Seriously... Have you ever really listened to that one???

Don't Want to meet your Daddy. Just want you in my Caddy.

Don't want to meet your Mama. Just want to make you comma.

I'm just being honest.

I think the most insidious line that nobody talks about comes right before we're shaking it like a Polaroid picture, when he says "Lend me some sugar, I AM your neighbor!"

To me? That reads like dude is telling anyone who listens that he's a poon hound that has no interest in relationships, and now because black people have been placed into white neighborhoods by the government throught the entire country, dude is going to come over and fuck your white wife while you're at work. Good luck with the mixed baby and nobody there playing child support for the kid that's not yours. Cause Audre's already long gone.

I still like the song. It's still on my list. Because the fact that every single wedding party for 3 years had that song on their playlist is just about hilarious to me as it was to Andre.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

BRENDA

Friday, May 29, 2026 9:26 AM (P)

Maybe "Sweet Sister" by Queen wouldn't be redone either.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 29, 2026 12:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm surprised that Pumped Up Kicks would have been banned.

Yanno... since we've been living in Clown World since about 2012.

This is again, kind of the point of the thread... That we live in a world where songs about shooting up schools to a beat you can dance to are fine, but Lisa Loeb would be shunned on lefty online hell for Stay.

But then you said that Pumped Up Kicks was made in 2010, and that kind of changes things a bit. We were still reasonably sane back then, at least relatively speaking.

Huh... I had no idea it was that old. The first time I'd heard it was probably in 2018 at work. I could only make out some of the words of the chorus but loved the sound. Wasn't until I finally figured out what song it was and listened to it at home when I went "Holy shit. That's not what I was expecting. It's such a happy sounding song".

Don't get me wrong. I like the song. It's on my playlist.

I remember one of the guys from the band in an interview laughing about how all the yuppies would be dancing to this song, not knowing what the hell they were dancing to. I get the feeling that he probably hates his audiences as much as Kurt Cobain hated his audience and wrote songs making fun of them, like In Bloom.

It's right along the same lines of OutKast making fun of all the white people weddings playing Hey Ya...

Seriously... Have you ever really listened to that one???

Don't Want to meet your Daddy. Just want you in my Caddy.

Don't want to meet your Mama. Just want to make you comma.

I'm just being honest.

I think the most insidious line that nobody talks about comes right before we're shaking it like a Polaroid picture, when he says "Lend me some sugar, I AM your neighbor!"

To me? That reads like dude is telling anyone who listens that he's a poon hound that has no interest in relationships, and now because black people have been placed into white neighborhoods by the government throught the entire country, dude is going to come over and fuck your white wife while you're at work. Good luck with the mixed baby and nobody there playing child support for the kid that's not yours. Cause Audre's already long gone.

I still like the song. It's still on my list. Because the fact that every single wedding party for 3 years had that song on their playlist is just about hilarious to me as it was to Andre.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

Yanno...

This is a great example of the Democratic Party and the very same people I'm talking about banning great songs if they came out today right here.

Somebody really stupid, like Ted, would come in here and read this post and call me a racist for saying what I said.

I don't need to go into any detail here. Everyone knows exactly what I'm talking about. And nobody will argue that this is not exactly what he would do. Probably along with calling me a Nazi too.

But Andre's a songwriter. And despite what Jaynze or JSF might say, because they hate Rap music or anything even remotely Rap-adjacent, Andre's one hell of a songwriter.

We already know that he got a lot of laughs out of all the white folk playing this song at every wedding with all of those lyrics tucked into it.

And hey... I could be wrong, and maybe that line was just innocuous. Just a funny coincidence in a song whose entire purpose is to be subversive through sheer and brutal honesty, hidden behind one hell of a tune and a great music video.

Nah... I'm sure Ted's right.

Andre isn't smart enough to write a lyric like that, is he?

And really...

Shame on me for being a white guy who would even bring the subject up in the first place.

Heh...

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 29, 2026 12:37 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Heh...

BRENDA

Sunday, May 31, 2026 4:19 AM (P)

"Russians" by Sting couldn't be redone today.

In Europe and America
There's a growing feeling of hysteria
Forced to respond to the rhetorical speeches of the Soviet

There is no common sense on either side of the political fence

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 31, 2026 9:01 AM (P)

I think that's by design, Brenda.

They're going to do whatever they're going to do no matter what we have to say about it.

They just give us the illusion of choice, and we get to watch all the less consequential things swing back wildly from side to side depending on which group of idiots and assholes are running the show at the time, while behind the scenes they're selling us all out everyday.

And none of them are EVER held accountable for the evil they do to the people.

If Trump can't or isn't going to fix any of this, then nobody ever will.

Maybe I was foolish to believe that he could.

Both parties suck so hard.

"Any way you look at it you lose."

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, May 31, 2026 3:58 PM (P)

the new political debate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I don't want to make this just another "Music" thread since we already have 4 of them.

You're making this just another Music thread.

Anyways looking at it all from another angle not just words, taking another point, Jazz is Dead

something happened to 'Jazz' it was inspired by new edgy clownish lyrics and new world instruments, mixing a new world sound of marching war bands and some guy in the Deep South or Chicago on guitar, the stage shows and inspired by Native notes and those from from Blues and Country a mix of Africa beats and European harmonic chords

take this band 'Level 42'

its English Pop Jazz, very busy but very funky

Antifa could probably find the whole Pentatonic Eastern scale and 'Words' culturally offensive

the band's third single and their first top-30 single

My eyes wide open, I feel a breeze
Words softly spoken, in Cantonese
Standing at the master's side
Then with patience he confides
Secret knowledge, sacred ways
Pearls of wisdom from the dragon days

probably get accused of cultural appropriation or some crap today

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 1, 2026 1:37 AM (P)

I've got Level 42's "Something About You" on my playlist. That was a great 80's jam.

On that note, you could put anything with a saxophone in it. I remember they were in a fair amount of 80's songs, and I always liked them.

Then Kenny G came out and ruined the saxophone for everybody.

*
Not that I'm saying there was a sax in Something About You. Your post about Jazz not being commercially viable in current year made me think about the sax, specifically.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

JAYNEZTOWN

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20 iconic musicians who quit the business early—and what they did next

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