Is Trump Nuts?

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JO753

Sunday, March 12, 2017 3:46 AM (P)

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Your buddy is an engineer. He's obviously not stupid.

Titlez do not equal brainz. Degreez do not equal brainz. Money duz not equal brainz.

I'v worked with many enjineerz. Plenty uv idiots in that profession.

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Give the fucking prez a chance to do good...

Wut if he haz no intention uv doing good?

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...or to screw things up,

This iz wut you dont seem to get.

Woud you giv a meth hed the keyz to your house while you go on vacation with the 'give the guy a chans' filosofy?

OK, he screwed that up. Now he wants to captain a 1,000ft krooz ship. Youv resieved a request for a karakter referens frum Carnival Krooz Linez. Are you going to rite 'he burnt my house down, but giv him a chans.'

He will hav the livez uv hundredz uv passenjerz & crew depending on hiz disision making abilityz. How bad coud it be?

See where I'm going with this?

The 'giv him a chans' lojik duz not work for Prezident uv the United States.

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JO753

Sunday, March 12, 2017 3:54 AM (P)

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Originally posted by second:Trump needs to get more self-control right now, this very day, not some months into his term.

Therez sumthing to be sed for letting him screw up.

The bigger he screwz up the faster he gets kicked out and the more damaj he duz to the GoPs.

The problem iz that he iz also damajing the country, so will getting the GoPs out uv power in the next election be worth the damaj?

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JO753

Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:00 AM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:All of the people that I know who voted for Trump, including myself, voted for Trump on limited grounds,

Bad lojik. We dont get to ajust the power setting on the Prezident.

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The people that I know who voted for Trump are university-educated technical people who are for the most part immigrants, half of whom are women.

Good evidens for my previous post. Ph.D. = piled higher & deeper. An idiot iz an idiot no matter how much info he haz packed into hiz hed.

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JO753

Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:03 AM (P)

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Originally posted by G:
How do those immigrants feel now? Where are they from?

They feel GREAT! They are frum Russia!

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6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:07 AM (P)

You're an idiot for voting for Hillary J0. If we're just going to be calling each other names based on nothing, than there you go.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:08 AM (P)

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Originally posted by JO753:
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Originally posted by second:Trump needs to get more self-control right now, this very day, not some months into his term.

Therez sumthing to be sed for letting him screw up.

The bigger he screwz up the faster he gets kicked out and the more damaj he duz to the GoPs.

The problem iz that he iz also damajing the country, so will getting the GoPs out uv power in the next election be worth the damaj?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

I have serious doubts that Trump is going anywhere.

You libtards keep up the drama you're just ensuring that the GOP stays in control. Keep it up. ;)

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:23 AM (P)

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How do those immigrants feel now? Where are they from?-G

They're OK with Trump.

Two are from Mexico, one is from Malaysia, one is from Taiwan, and one is from mainland China plus her white hubby from Idaho. One is an eastern European immigrant, and two are first generation European immigrants.

Now, here's the kicker: Their issue was illegal immigration! Hoo boy! Did I get an earful about the immigration abuses that really piss them off!

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Bad lojik. We dont get to ajust the power setting on the Prezident.- JO

True, but if you had paid any attention at all to the last 20 times that I explained myself ... and clearly you don't think that my posts are worth your attention ... I thought that the items I had identified were far more important than the whole boatload of aggrieved victim-group issues that Hillary was bringing to the table.

So, my issues were:

1) No more free trade agreements I could not see how strapping our national sovereignty on the altar of a secret trade tribunal would benefit. I may disagree with Trump on all kinds of issues, from the environment to health care, but now those disagreements will be settled HERE, in Congress and at the state level according to our political and legal process, not by corporate lawyers guaranteeing transnational profits in some hidden conference room in Singapore.

2) Make nice with Russia. This is for OUR benefit, not theirs. If anyone has been paying any attention at all to our foreign policy, we have been provoking Russia for about the past ten years, and that policy has been bolstered by nonstop anti-Russian propaganda. All that this does in bring nuclear Armageddon closer, cost us a crap-ton of money, and put us on semi-permanent war footing which also costs us much of our civil liberties at home. What's the point?

3) End illegal immigration, which (for the corporations) brings all of the benefits of a foreign slave population without the bother of ever having to leave home. It brings down wages, prevents the USA from ever implementing an effective jobs/ economic policy, and strains all of our infrastructure, services, and resources.

Hillary and her transgender bathroom issues simply wasn't worth her negative war-mongering, pro-globalist history.

Capisce?

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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1KIKI

Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:26 AM (P)

They feel GREAT! They are frum Russia! Wow, Jo. Talk about making things up. And I gotta ask - what does that have to do with REAL world events?

BTW, since I also know those women, I can tell you that some are from mainland China, others mainland China via Taiwan, and some from Malaysia. They felt that since THEY had come through the system to get here legally, others should have to come the same way. They also had other ideas you probably don't imagine.

If you want, we can discuss the opinions that people who come from a different background hold, and how they are different from your assumptions.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:49 AM (P)

Jo, I took the trouble to answer your post directly and in full. Next time, please don't strawman or insult.

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SECOND

Sunday, March 12, 2017 6:42 PM (P)

In keeping with the theme “Is Trump Nuts?” some people have sensed that Trump is a megalomaniac, along with his other shining qualities.

“Trump’s image is clearly dear to him.”
www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/donald-trump-hiding-in-plai
n-sight

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THGRRI

Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:16 PM (P)

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by second:
In keeping with the theme “Is Trump Nuts?” some people have sensed that Trump is a megalomaniac, along with his other shining qualities.

Priceless image for some reason I am reminded of the giant statue Caligula had made of himself. Every day some of his minions would dress it in the exact same outfit he was wearing for the day. Trump's second term maybe?

Oh god oh god.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, March 12, 2017 8:06 PM (P)

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Trump's muslim ban doesn't bother them as immigrants or as free thinking Americans? -G

Apparently not!

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Are you their manager btw? I know when I was an employee I was not always *frank* with my employer.

No. none of them work for me. I tend not to discuss politics with my staff, even if they try a rope me into it.

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SIGNYM

Monday, March 13, 2017 12:47 AM (P)

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Trump's muslim ban doesn't bother them as immigrants or as free thinking Americans? -G

Apparently not! - SIGNY

They're fine with people being banned from this country based on their religion and country of origin? And even if the stated reason is provably, quantifiably inaccurate?- G

Yes. They haven't given me their reasons, but I assume that its because they feel it doesn't affect them because they're not from the subject nations.

However, I once again disagree with your inaccurate characterization of the visa restrictions.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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JO753

Monday, March 13, 2017 6:03 PM (P)

Sorry if I havent replied with much substans over the last few daze. Bizzy with too much stuff.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, my issues were:

1) No more free trade agreements

Hav you read the TPP? I havent. I hear alot uv scorn, but no detailz on why its bad. I think NAFTA soured everybody on trade dealz for the forseeable future.

A better idea iz to regulate companyz that do international biz, such az requiring them to pay forin workerz at least haf uv wut American equivelents get.

Even tho it meanz higher prisez on sum stuff, it either makes it cheaper to keep jobz here or creates more customerz around the world.

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2) Make nice with Russia. This is for OUR benefit, not theirs.

Soooo... Let Putin do wutever he wants in other countryz?

Duznt sound like such a good stratejy for dealing with a bad guy. Hiz type ALWAYZ goez az far az you allow them. If he believed the US woudnt interfere
he woud restore the Soviet Union 1 nation at a time.

I agree that being on good termz iz better, but it cant be at the expens uv other countryz.

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3) End illegal immigration,

Its not like Hillary wuz calling for the border with Mexico to be dizzolved, so you essentially voted for the construction uv a wall that any competent arkitekt will estimate at 25,000,000,000 American dollarez minimum.

A big differens between Hillary and Donald iz competens for the job. Trump haz zero, Hillary haz decadez worth uv direct experiens.

Say wut you want about her polisyz (az perseived) but we coud hav depended on her to at least know wut the hell the job iz.

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JO753

Monday, March 13, 2017 6:10 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
They feel GREAT! They are frum Russia! Wow, Jo. Talk about making things up. And I gotta ask - what does that have to do with REAL world events?

Wu?! I cant toss in a joke now & then?

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SIGNYM

Monday, March 13, 2017 6:37 PM (P)

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Sorry if I havent replied with much substans over the last few daze. Bizzy with too much stuff. - JO

So, my issues were:
1) No more free trade agreements- SIGNY

Hav you read the TPP?

No, and not the TTIP either but that's because they've kept it a secret. However, whistleblowers from inside have LEAKED relevant portions, and the most relevant portion is the part where transnational businesses could take governments to arbitration for interfering with "usual and expected" profits, and that the disputes would be decided by a tribunal of trade lawyers, not in any national court. I even posted an example of what that would look like, as when Phillip Morris, the tobacco company, filed a complaint against Australia under a bilateral trade deal with Hong Kong for its "plain packaging/ graphic health warning" tobacco laws which would have reduced "usual and expected profits" and how this was decided by a private trade tribunal. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/18/australia-wins-
international-legal-battle-with-philip-morris-over-plain-packaging

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I havent. I hear alot uv scorn, but no detailz on why its bad.

Well now you know more than you did before.

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I think NAFTA soured everybody on trade dealz for the forseeable future.

NAFTA has a lot of problems, mostly economic, on BOTH ends of any trade. But the TTP and TTIP added a whole new wrinkle by eliminating a nation's ability to enforce environmental, work, or product safety regulations according to its own laws, by having the decision made by a non-government arbitration panel, with NO governmental oversight or review.

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A better idea iz to regulate companyz that do international biz, such az requiring them to pay forin workerz at least haf uv wut American equivelents get. -JO

How do you enforce that? The only way is by charging a tax-on-entry.

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Even tho it meanz higher prisez on sum stuff, it either makes it cheaper to keep jobz here or creates more customerz around the world. -JO

2) Make nice with Russia. This is for OUR benefit, not theirs.- SIGNY

Soooo... Let Putin do wutever he wants in other countryz? - JO

No. Just end our aggressive actions.

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Duznt sound like such a good stratejy for dealing with a bad guy. Hiz type ALWAYZ goez az far az you allow them. If he believed the US woudnt interfere
he woud restore the Soviet Union 1 nation at a time. - JO

JO .... WHO has killed more people and destroyed more nations in the past 20 years or so? Us? Or Russia?

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I agree that being on good termz iz better, but it cant be at the expens uv other countryz.- JO

If they're so afraid of Russia, how about they look towards their own defense? It's not like they can't form their own alliances.

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3) End illegal immigration,- SIGNY

Its not like Hillary wuz calling for the border with Mexico to be dizzolved, so you essentially voted for the construction uv a wall that any competent arkitekt will estimate at 25,000,000,000 American dollarez minimum.

Also, increasing ICE and Border Patrol staffing, enforcing our immigration laws, improving visa-holder tracking, and ending or reducing H1B-style visa issuances.

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A big differens between Hillary and Donald iz competens for the job. Trump haz zero, Hillary haz decadez worth uv direct experiens. =JP

Yes, she has decades of experience being a Saudi-promoting, war-mongering, corrupt globalist bitch. Who wants "experience" like THAT?

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Say wut you want about her polisyz (az perseived) but we coud hav depended on her to at least know wut the hell the job iz. - JO

But could we have depended in her to REPRESENT OUR INTERESTS? I say "no". In fact, I think she was ready to stab us all in the back to satisfy her REAL support group, which wasn't us. She was ready for the TTP and the TTIP on behalf of the transnationals. Ready for direct war in Syria on behalf of Sa

SECOND

Monday, March 13, 2017 7:21 PM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Trump's muslim ban doesn't bother them as immigrants or as free thinking Americans? -G
Apparently not!

Reporters laughed at the absurdity of the answer and the absurdity of the overall situation. That said, it’s a pretty good indicator of how much Trump has succeeded in lowering the bar in terms of standards of conduct.
www.vox.com/2017/3/10/14887006/sean-spicer-jobs-report

Trump has already claimed that Barack Obama left him an economy in a "mess"; that Obama is probably behind all the protests and leaks; and that Obama had him wiretapped during the campaign. Now along comes yet another ugly accusation, trivially proved false, which brings up the question: “Is Trump Nuts?” or the companion question: “Are Trump’s people nuts?”
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/trump-omb-director-claims-obama
-manipulated-unemployment-figures

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THGRRI

Monday, March 13, 2017 8:02 PM (P)

Man Without an ISIS Plan

On the campaign trail, no foreign policy issue seized Donald Trump more than the fight against the Islamic State. Once president, he signed an executive order giving his generals 30 days to produce a plan to defeat the terrorist group, and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis gave him options on Feb. 27.

Yet if Mr. Trump has decided on a new plan for defeating ISIS, it isn’t obvious. The missions underway in Iraq and Syria were set in motion by President Barack Obama. While they have achieved some tactical successes, they point to a deepening American military involvement in both countries. The question now is whether Mr. Trump will continue, or accelerate, that trend.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/12/opinion/man-without-an-isis-plan.ht
ml?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20170313

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SIGNYM

Monday, March 13, 2017 11:14 PM (P)

Has no one thought that Trump's tweets might be deliberate red herrings? Heck, look at the reward: For a mere 140 characters, or less, he gets people squawking and losing feathers for days!

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THGRRI

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 12:09 AM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Has no one thought that Trump's tweets might be deliberate red herrings? Heck, look at the reward: For a mere 140 characters, or less, he gets people squawking and losing feathers for days!

As president there is a price to pay and he is paying it. Which is why you are stuck defending him so much.

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OONJERAH

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:44 AM (P)

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
As president there is a price to pay and he is paying it. Which is why you are stuck defending him so much.

Ain't it the truth?
He acts like a brat ... and I think he's a brat.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

1KIKI

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:57 AM (P)

SECOMD

Hillary was for allowing all but violent criminals to stay indefinitely, and for magically turning illegal immigrants into citizens.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-stance-on-immigration
-is-a-major-break-from-obama/2016/03/10/6388a1f8-e700-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html?utm_term=.0e0ed4897948
Hillary Clinton’s pledge not to deport any illegal immigrants except violent criminals and terrorists represents a major break from President Obama, and it could vastly increase the number of people who would be allowed to stay in the country.

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https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/
As president, Hillary will:
Introduce comprehensive immigration reform. Hillary will introduce comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to full and equal citizenship within her first 100 days in office.

And while we'll never know what might have happened under Hillary, under Donald

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http://ktla.com/2017/03/09/illegal-border-crossings-down-40-percent-in
-february-dhs-secretary-says/
Illegal Border Crossings Down 40 Percent in February, CBP Report Says

If you believe ILLEGAL immigration is a problem, Trump might be crazy like a fox.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

JO753

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:30 AM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:No, and not the TTIP either but that's because they've kept it a secret.

seeekrrriiiittt! https://ustr.gov/ttip

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NAFTA has a lot of problems, mostly economic, on BOTH ends of any trade.

Take away all the partisan noize and you can see the real bad guy.

Big corporationz, especially oil, hav been raping & pilajing forever, long befor NAFTA. Capitalizm haz a dark side - its alwayz trying to get away with sum sort uv cheat. Its like this iz wut they teach in bizness skool! Any agreements the gummit kumz up with, they will find wayz to cheat.

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A better idea iz to regulate companyz that do international biz, such az requiring them to pay forin workerz at least haf uv wut American equivelents get. -JO
How do you enforce that?

The simpl way iz to require all payroll recordz to be submitted along with their inkum tax filingz. Naturally, if they are dealing with forin vendorz, it gets much more complicated.

Wut they wont be able to do iz set up a bogus company thats really owned by them.

Even tho forin vendorz will seem like a way to bypass this at first, not all companyz will be able to get wut they need, so wajez will be forsed up.

Read the Financial and Pay & Work pajez on my site.

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JO .... WHO has killed more people and destroyed more nations in the past 20 years or so? Us? Or Russia?

US. And yet we are still sumhow the good guyz!

A useful way uv looking at it iz that Goverment iz a mob. All goverments. It haz to be the most powerful mob in its own land and it helps if its the most powerful in its rejun. In the case uv the US, Russia and China, that rejun iz the entire planet.

A mob that lets it's rivalz expand or increase their power in any way without at least keeping close attention iz doomed. If therez a way to keep a rival from getting stronger, it iz foolish to not uze it.

Its a very simplistic perspectiv, but it haz to be incorporated into any stratejy or plan, even wen you are co-operating with a rival.

Obviously, the ultimate stratejy iz to turn your rivalz into your frendz.

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If they're so afraid of Russia, how about they look towards their own defense? It's not like they can't form their own alliances.

Seriously bad plan frum the US perspectiv. Seriously bad for the entire world. The only beneficiaryz woud be the armz manufacturerz.

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Also, increasing ICE and Border Patrol staffing, enforcing our immigration laws, improving visa-holder tracking, and ending or reducing H1B-style visa issuances.

The immigration system iz krap. Total krap. The GoPs blocked Obama frum fixing it and you want to blame Hillary?

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Yes, she has decades of experience being a Saudi-promoting, war-mongering, corrupt globalist bitch. Who wants "experience" like THAT?

You like to pin everything bad that you can think uv on Hillary and uze it az an excuse for voting for Trump. You dont seem to hav a good handl on how important the job uv Prezident iz and how rediculously unqualified he iz for it.

Dont forget the title uv this topic and that the ansr iz YES!

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SECOND

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:34 AM (P)

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Originally posted by JO753:

US. And yet we are still sumhow the good guyz!

Trump is destroying like crazy any global moral high ground the US had left.

Let’s just look at what happened on Monday (March 13). More details are at https://qz.com/931421

1) Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner parked his ownership stake in 666 Fifth Avenue—a luxury building in Manhattan—in a trust managed by his mother, Seryl Beth Kushner. That trust could soon be $400 million richer, Bloomberg reported on Monday, thanks to what’s been called a “sweetheart deal” with Chinese Communist Party-linked firm Anbang Insurance Group, that excuses a mountain of debt while valuing the stake aggressively. The deal also leaves the impression that the Kushners are profiting from their proximity to the White House, and raises questions about what the Trump administration may owe Anbang, and potentially the Communist Party, in return.

2) That’s not all. Foreign Policy reported on March 13 that the White House plans to reduce by 50% its contributions to the United Nations, pulling billions of dollars away from funding of global endeavors ranging from peacekeeping to vaccinations to caring for refugees. And a US government agency said the same day that a Trump-backed bill to replace his predecessor’s landmark health care act would leave 24 million uninsured, while raising premiums by 24%.

3) Meanwhile, asked for Trump’s reaction to US congressman Steve King’s recent racist remarks, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said he’d have to “get back to” reporters after checking with the president—leaving the impression that Trump doesn’t denounce them outright.

4) And Canada’s “Girl Guides,” the female scouting group, said it would suspend all field trips to the US, out of concern that some members might be stopped by US immigration, thanks to Trump's not sanely worded executive order.

Today’s events are just par for the course. But they’re a clear reminder of just how much things have changed in America in less than two months.
https://qz.com/931421

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1KIKI

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:07 AM (P)

SECOMD

Hillary was for allowing all but violent criminals to stay indefinitely, and for magically turning illegal immigrants into citizens.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-stance-on-immigration
-is-a-major-break-from-obama/2016/03/10/6388a1f8-e700-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html?utm_term=.0e0ed4897948
Hillary Clinton’s pledge not to deport any illegal immigrants except violent criminals and terrorists represents a major break from President Obama, and it could vastly increase the number of people who would be allowed to stay in the country.

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https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/
As president, Hillary will:
Introduce comprehensive immigration reform. Hillary will introduce comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to full and equal citizenship within her first 100 days in office.

And while we'll never know what might have happened under Hillary, under Donald

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http://ktla.com/2017/03/09/illegal-border-crossings-down-40-percent-in
-february-dhs-secretary-says/
Illegal Border Crossings Down 40 Percent in February, CBP Report Says

If you believe ILLEGAL immigration is a problem, Trump might be crazy like a fox.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

JO753

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:35 AM (P)

It woud take a lot uv illegal immigrants with bad intentionz many yirz to do the damaj Putin can do in a few fone callz.

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6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 12:50 PM (P)

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Originally posted by JO753:
It woud take a lot uv illegal immigrants with bad intentionz many yirz to do the damaj Putin can do in a few fone callz.

If that's true, why hasn't he done it already?

JO753

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:00 PM (P)

How do you know he haznt?

Youv herd wuts going on at the State Department I assume. Then therez the firing uv Preet Barara with odd serkumstansez.

I dont think Putin haz needed to make any callz yet, sins Trump took over anyway. Trump haz hiz instructionz. But there will be more.

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6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:26 PM (P)

lol wow. That's a scary world you live in there J0.

When exactly did this shift happen? I notice all of the sudden it's progressive to believe in conspiracy theories. (at least ones that are against their side).

Almost 20 years ago I was telling my friends that the government had the capability to record every one of our phone conversations. I didn't say that they were listening to them, because that would be impossible, but they could store them to listen to later if they ever decided they had a reason to want to. They called me crazy. That was just one of many things that have since been proven to actually be happening, and nobody really cares.

Hey. Maybe you're absolutely right. I'm afraid if you are than it's already too late though. If Trump is that compromised where he's got Putin's hand that deep up his ass than there are many others out there that are also compromised by Russian interests and removing Trump isn't going to change anything.

I suggest that if that happens, and you're proven to be correct, that you keep investigating and don't back down for a second when the Left and the MSM throws their ticker tape parade and forgets all about it.

And don't only look at Republicans. I'm sure if this is actually happening there are quite a few Democratic leaders that are compromised as well.

SECOND

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:23 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

SECOND

If you believe ILLEGAL immigration is a problem, Trump might be crazy like a fox.

If illegal aliens will be deported, Trump needs a plan that makes sense and money from Congress to fuel his plan.

But I have seen no instances where Trump recognized sensible plans or budgets. For example: Trump endorsed and promoted a health insurance plan that does none of the things he said it ought to do. Is Trump crazy or just incompetent? He had plenty of warning, but Trump paid no attention to what his own staff was telling him, which is NOT "crazy like a fox". www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-uninsured-white-house-236019 The explanations coming from the White House are asinine about CBO's and Office of Management and Budget's estimates.

I know that even capable Presidents do not do most of the planning and budgeting themselves, but Trump proves every workday how he misunderstands the difference between work done well and done poorly. VP Pence can tell the difference, but he is not President so he can’t until Trump goes to the lunatic asylum.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:32 PM (P)

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Originally posted by G:
. . . obviously his becoming president was proof there were plenty of *cough* uninformed people in the world ready to believe a compulsive liar

Trump asked Monday for more time to submit evidence to the House Intelligence Committee to back up his claim that President Barack Obama had wiretapped him in the waning days of last year’s presidential campaign.

Jack Langer, the House committee’s spokesman, said the panel had agreed to extend its Monday deadline but asked that whatever evidence Trump had be submitted before the committee’s first open hearing on Russian election meddling, now set for next Monday.
www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article138313303
.html

Trump lodged the allegations against Obama in a series of tweets March 4. “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is Mc-Carthyism!” and "How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"

White House spokesman Sean Spicer declined Monday to comment on when evidence would be sent to the House committee. He said, however, that his “understanding is that they will” submit evidence.

Spicer also said that Trump had not meant wiretapping literally in his tweet. Spicer said Trump was referring to surveillance in general.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:59 PM (P)

In a remarkable tweet Monday by the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff of California: “We must accept possibility that Trump does not know fact from fiction, right from wrong. That wild claims are not strategic, but worse.” Schiff is not a partisan hothead, so his discussion of the sitting president was that much more striking.
https://twitter.com/repadamschiff/status/838769380104224769

“The implications are quite extraordinary,” Schiff said in a follow-up interview with NPR. In a crisis, he asked, “how much credibility will the president have left to persuade the country of what has happened, what needs to be done? How much credibility will he have with our allies to get them to back us up? So these have real-world repercussions. ... It’s the president losing the credibility of the office.”
www.npr.org/2017/03/09/519382847/rep-adam-schiff-on-trumps-wiretapping
-claims-and-russia

There is some hope, however scant, of a presidential learning curve. But trust once squandered is not easily, if ever, regained. And without it any president will remain severely hobbled.

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 7:14 PM (P)

Anybody else here think we're missing the bigger picture?

I'm not really comfortable with all of these people going to their twitter accounts. It's one thing when celebs do it, but am I the only one that's not very comfortable with public officials paid for with our tax dollars doing it?

I very much include Trump in there too.

They're all acting like little kids.

It's a strange new world we're living in today. Buckle up... It's only going to get stranger.

SECOND

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:28 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Anybody else here think we're missing the bigger picture?

I'm not really comfortable with all of these people going to their twitter accounts. It's one thing when celebs do it, but am I the only one that's not very comfortable with public officials paid for with our tax dollars doing it?

I very much include Trump in there too.

They're all acting like little kids.

It's a strange new world we're living in today. Buckle up... It's only going to get stranger.

When Obama tweeted, he made sense. https://twitter.com/potus44

When Trump tweets, just now, he does not make sense. The explanation of why Trump's tweet is crazy is longer than the tweet, but that is how it is. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/841665325682827265

Trump tweeted only "JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!" (for a crazyman Trump is really articulate) and a picture of the liberal media reporting job figures. I can remember last month when Trump called down hellfire on the liberal media for its LIES, LIES, LIES! about employment. Trump claimed 42% were jobless. What changed in the real world to change what Trump is saying? Nothing, job figures are about the same as under Obama. What changed inside Trump's head? Everything, because Trump wants all the news to either praise him or else he will attack it as false. He's crazy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:02 PM (P)

I'm not talking Trump vs Obama on tweets, and I'm not even going to get sucked into that argument.

I don't think any of them should be tweeting.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:17 AM (P)

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I'm not talking Trump vs Obama on tweets, and I'm not even going to get sucked into that argument.

I don't think any of them should be tweeting.

How about a longer story where Presidents talk to each other over lunch? Obama still lives in DC, unlike all other Presidents before him. They all left town forever, but Obama is renting a mansion near Trump. If Trump wants to talk face-to-face, Obama would be there in a minute since he spends his idle days as an unemployed book writer living off the advance payment from publisher Penguin Random House.
www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/trump-cant-stop-himself

A few days after President John F. Kennedy made a calamitous early misstep—a carelessly planned attempt to invade Cuba and overthrow Fidel Castro, in April, 1961—he invited Dwight D. Eisenhower, his predecessor as President, for lunch. They met at Camp David, in Maryland’s Catoctin Mountains, close to Eisenhower’s Gettysburg farm. Outside the complex’s Aspen Cottage, Kennedy said, “No one knows how tough this job is until after he has been in it for a few months.” Eisenhower replied, “Mr. President, if you will forgive me, I think I mentioned that to you three months ago,” to which Kennedy said, “I certainly have learned a lot since then.”

This purported exchange, repeated in many histories of the time, cannot be found in Ike’s notes on the meeting, but it sounds authentic, given what we know of each man. Kennedy was certainly rattled enough by his early failure to look for advice from the general who’d commanded the Allied Expeditionary Force. Although Kennedy hired a number of smart, if not necessarily wise, advisers, he knew what he didn’t know. He was a serious reader and student of history. Ike and J.F.K. were never particularly friendly, but they both respected the office they’d held, and Eisenhower, a traditional patriot, simply wanted Kennedy to succeed. At Camp David, he offered some enduring Ike-like advice: after urging Kennedy to support, “at least morally and politically,” policies to keep Communist influence out of the Western Hemisphere, he warned, according to his notes, that “the American people would never approve direct military intervention, by their own forces, except under provocations against us so clear and so serious that everybody would understand the need for the move.”

That idea of Presidential understanding and coöperation, and of the high stakes they involve—the unexpressed faith that America’s leaders, past and present, must put the nation’s welfare first—is among the serious casualties of the new Presidency of the former reality-TV star and real-estate brander Donald J. Trump. His burst of tweets on March 4th about his predecessor, Barack Obama—sent between 6:35 and 7:02 a.m. E.S.T., and arriving like an early-morning gust of foul wind—is unforgettable for the glimpse it gave of the disturbances within Trump’s mind.

Continues at www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/trump-cant-stop-himself

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:00 AM (P)

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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If you believe ILLEGAL immigration is a problem, Trump might be crazy like a fox.

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Originally posted by second:
If illegal aliens will be deported, Trump needs a plan that makes sense and money from Congress to fuel his plan.

It doesn't seem to take money - just a few high-profile verbal threats to build a wall and make Mexico pay, and a few high-profile raids and deportations - and suddenly, the upside of entering the US illegally doesn't look as big as the downside.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 AM (P)

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So you have cut down on illegals - check. What's it going to be like when the only way to get a vegetable or a piece of fruit is to pick yourself?

International agribusiness gets diminished? Slave labor goes bye-bye? Those are good things. Don't you agree?

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:17 AM (P)

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how much credibility will the president have left to persuade the country of what has happened

I'd say a lot. Trump campaigned on illegal immigration, and he's gotten good results. Trump campaigned on repealing Obamacare, and it's in the works. Trump campaigned that there was no such thing as global warming, and Scott Pruitt now heads the EPA. And so on. Whether or not you agree with what he's doing, Trump's actions speak far louder than words to the people of the country. Besides, they've been ignoring the democrats and the chattering class for a while, and both lost any remaining semblance of credibility during the last election, with Hillary as a candidate, and her media-predicted cruise to victory.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

JO753

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:36 AM (P)

'Credibility' iz completely meaningless in the Fox universe.

We are in danjer uv learning the hard way wut happenz wen the Nation'z polisyz colide with reality.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:55 AM (P)

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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So you have cut down on illegals - check. What's it going to be like when the only way to get a vegetable or a piece of fruit is to pick yourself?
International agribusiness gets diminished? Slave labor goes bye-bye? Those are good things. Don't you agree?

I recall that legally laboring in Mexico is far worse than illegally laboring in the USA. That's hard to believe, except if you've been to Mexico to a working ranch where cows and cowboys are treated equally brutally by the ruling decedents of the Conquistadors. Trump is not throwing Mexicans out of the USA because he wants to help them return to their rich and fulfilling lives back in Mexico. Trump has a different goal where citizens of the USA take the jobs that the illegals were doing.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:56 AM (P)

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We are in danjer uv learning the hard way wut happenz wen the Nation'z polisyz colide with reality.

We should have learned that when bin Laden went from 'dead or alive!' to less than an afterthought, in 8 months. When there were no WMDs to be found. When we bombed countries for humanitarian reasons. When Gitmo wasn't closed. When Snowden told us what our government was doing - to us.

Are you saying all the bullshit, lies, and propaganda were OK up until now? But that now, NOW! it's a problem?

Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:00 AM (P)

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I recall that legally laboring in Mexico is far worse than illegally laboring in the USA.

Cite?
And I have to ask - do you think the US is responsible for the internal policies of Mexico, which is a democracy?

Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

SECOND

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:05 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Besides, they've been ignoring the democrats and the chattering class for a while, and both lost any remaining semblance of credibility during the last election, with Hillary as a candidate, and her media-predicted cruise to victory.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

You still harping on that same old story? What's his name, Bernie, lost by millions of votes in the Democratic primary. In the general election he would have looked like a Commie and been annihilated, same as George McGovern was by Nixon, even after Nixon's "secret" plan to win the Vietnam War had achieved nothing for four years. And Watergate.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:13 AM (P)

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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I recall that legally laboring in Mexico is far worse than illegally laboring in the USA.
Cite?
And I have to ask - do you think the US is responsible for the internal policies of Mexico, which is a democracy?

Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

Cite my ass. How many times has the USA invaded Mexico? Several. How much land did the USA rob from Mexico? Millions of square miles, you know, all of Texas, California, New Mexico. Having that land part of Mexico would have made Mexico a much different country. The USA violently turned Mexico into what it is today with the self-interested decedents of the Conquistadors running it for their personal benefit. I will tie that into the topic "Is Trump Nuts?" by noting it is nuts to think just because the old wars with Mexico are over, the ugly consequences of losing wars are also over for living Mexicans who never left their country even once for work, legal or illegal, in the USA. (I thank the God of War it's me receiving gas royalty checks rather than a jet setter from Madrid. Remember the Alamo!)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:31 AM (P)

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No, and not the TTIP either but that's because they've kept it a secret. - SIGNY

seeekrrriiiittt! https://ustr.gov/ttip= JO

The link that you provided shows

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a summary of U.S. objectives, negotiating round and public forum information, T-TIP blog posts, facts sheets, reports, and press releases.

But no actual. yanno, copies available for analysis. When the TTIP and TTP were being negotiated...

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The European Commission is making the secret Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) trade deal even more secret, introducing a new rule that means politicians can only view the text in a secure 'reading room' in Brussels. ...

It's not just TTIP that is taking such extreme measures. The US-Asia equivalent, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), has a similar super-secure reading room.

Robert Smith, host of the Planet Money podcast on NPR, said: "In Washington DC they love secrecy, but even by Washington standards this amazed me. In the basement of the US capitol, there is a room, a locked soundproof room, and the only people allowed in this room are US senators, and they can't bring their assistants, they can't bring their phones, they can't even take notes in there. Inside this room is not the codes for our nuclear weapons, it's not CIA files, it's not the documents that tell us an alien landed in Roswell. No, in this room is the text of a trade deal."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ttip-controversy-secret
-trade-deal-can-only-be-read-secure-in-reading-room-in-brussels-10456206.html

Now, you have to realize that a LOT of people had free access to the provisions of both the TTP and the TTIP ...
transnational manufacturers
international banks
tech companies, agrobusiness, and pharma with vested interest in intellectual property

The people who were LEFT OUT? CONGRESSMEN AND MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT, LABOR UNIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS etc.

YES, IT WAS A SECRET despite your snide comment.

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NAFTA has a lot of problems, mostly economic, on BOTH ends of any trade.- SIGNY

Take away all the partisan noize and you can see the real bad guy. Big corporationz, especially oil, hav been raping & pilajing forever, long befor NAFTA. Capitalizm haz a dark side - its alwayz trying to get away with sum sort uv cheat. Its like this iz wut they teach in bizness skool!

Then why make it easier for them to screw you over?

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A better idea iz to regulate companyz that do international biz, such az requiring them to pay forin workerz at least haf uv wut American equivelents get. -JO

How do you enforce that? - SIGNY

The simpl way iz to require all payroll recordz to be submitted along with their inkum tax filingz. Naturally, if they are dealing with forin vendorz, it gets much more complicated.- JO

Actually, it gets impossible. The vendors in this market (Walmart, The Gap, etc) simply "subcontract" to another company in another nation, and let THEM do the exploiting. It's called "the gig economy", haven't you heard? Everyone is paid piecework.

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JO .... WHO has killed more people and destroyed more nations in the past 20 years or so? Us? Or Russia? - SIGNY

US. And yet we are still sumhow the good guyz! - JO-

Good lord, how is that? Because our intentions are pure?

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A useful way uv looking at it iz that Goverment iz a mob. All goverments. It haz to be the most powerful mob in its own land and it helps if its the most powerful in its rejun. In the case uv the US, Russia and China, that rejun iz the entire planet.

A mob that lets it's rivalz expand or increase their power in any way without at least keeping close attention iz doomed. If therez a way to keep a rival from getting stronger, it iz foolish to not uze it. - JO

Why is it in OUR interests to keep sway over an entire planet? What do YOU get out of it?

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If the

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:07 AM (P)

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Cite my ass.

So, no cite. OK. Here's a listing of all of Mexico's 27 wars (not counting the 'war on drugs'), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Mexico including an 8 year war by Spain to reconquer Mexico, and only two wars that involved the US.

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How much land did the USA rob from Mexico?

I need to point out that the Republic of Texas - which was an entirely independent country not affiliated with the US government at the time, took itself out of Mexico's hands of its own accord. Mexico lost Texas to The Republic of Texas. That happened because at the time, Mexico had very few people settling the area (that was also true of Alta California) and wasn't able to defend the area against the influx of US settlers.

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The USA violently turned Mexico into what it is today with the self-interested decedents of the Conquistadors running it for their personal benefit.

And, as I see, neither of the US wars involved the US controlling Mexico proper as a subjugated land, or installing governments, or paying tribute.

And for some reason, a Hispanic coworker likes to blame Mexico's problems on the Hapsburgs - but I don't see it. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1861-1865/french-intervention

Anyway, Mexico is still a democracy, and the people still have the choice of voting for a different government if the one they have doesn't suit them. That really is up to them.

Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:56 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Besides, they've been ignoring the democrats and the chattering class for a while, and both lost any remaining semblance of credibility during the last election, with Hillary as a candidate, and her media-predicted cruise to victory.

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Originally posted by second:
You still harping on that same old story? What's his name, Bernie, lost by millions of votes in the Democratic primary. In the general election he would have looked like a Commie and been annihilated, same as George McGovern was by Nixon, even after Nixon's "secret" plan to win the Vietnam War had achieved nothing for four years. And Watergate.

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Trump didn't win, Clinton lost. I'm reposting these - yanno - facts, because you ignored them the first time around. And I put an especially relevant quote in larger font to help you focus on the salient point.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

CBS News exit polls suggest Trump’s win was in large part a repudiation of Hillary Clinton by a substantial number of white voters.
There are also indications that Clinton’s gender was a factor in the outcome.
Among white voters, 57 percent said Trump was not honest and trustworthy while fully 70 percent said the same of Clinton.
In the exit polls, voters were asked whether they strongly favored their candidate, liked their candidate but with reservations, or if they voted because they disliked the other candidate. While 21 percent of Clinton voters said they disliked the other candidates, more – 28 percent – of Trump voters reported that. There appears to have been more people voting against Clinton than against Trump.
It is difficult to say with any certainty, but with razor thin margins in some states, a small number of voters who might have supported Clinton (who voted for either Johnson or Stein) could have altered outcomes in some states.

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CBS News Exit Polls: How Donald Trump won the U.S. presidency

by Stanley Feldman and Melissa Herrmann

Many observers thought this presidential election would be decided by Donald Trump’s polarizing rhetoric, his history of behavior toward women and his questionable qualifications for the office.

Instead, CBS News exit polls suggest Trump’s win was in large part a repudiation of Hillary Clinton by a substantial number of white voters. While Clinton did win big majorities of minority voters, she did not get the level of support from those groups that she needed to overcome her deficit among white voters.

There are also indications that Clinton’s gender was a factor in the outcome. The gender gap was substantial. Trump beat Clinton by 53 percent to 41 percent among men while Clinton won among women by 54 percent to 42 percent. Four years ago, President Obama won 45 percent of men’s votes and Mitt Romney won 44 percent of women’s votes.

More telling is the gender breakdown among white voters: Trump beat Clinton among white women 53 percent to 43 percent. This was close to Romney’s margin in 2012. While Mr. Obama won 35 percent of white, male voters in 2012, Clinton lost to Trump among this group by 63 percent to 31 percent.

As expected, Trump did best among white voters without a college degree, beating Clinton by the enormous margin of 72 percent to 23 percent. Trump also won among white, non-college women 62 to 34 percent and white college-educated men, 54 to 39 percent. Among white voters, Clinton only won among women with a college degree by a 51 to 45 percent margin. Interestingly, among white voters, there is no evidence in the exit poll that income affected the likelihood that they supported Trump.

Clinton needed extremely strong support from African-American voters to try to offset Trump’s margin among whites. She did win 88 percent of the black vote to just 8 percent for Trump. However, this was significantly lower than

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:02 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
How much land did the USA rob from Mexico? Millions of square miles, you know, all of Texas, California, New Mexico. Having that land part of Mexico would have made Mexico a much different country.

It definitely would have made the US a much different place. There almost never would have been a Democratic president without those 55 electoral votes from California.

JO753

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 2:37 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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We are in danjer uv learning the hard way wut happenz wen the Nation'z polisyz colide with reality.
We should have learned that when bin Laden went from 'dead or alive!' to less than an afterthought, in 8 months. When there were no WMDs to be found. When we bombed countries for humanitarian reasons. When Gitmo wasn't closed. When Snowden told us what our government was doing - to us.

Are you saying all the bullshit, lies, and propaganda were OK up until now? But that now, NOW! it's a problem?

Thats your rebut to support your inditement uv the Demz credibility?

Sorry, dood. You dont get to blame much uv anything on the Demz or Obama after the GoPS wajed war agenst them for 9 yirz. The Bin Laden part iz especially erronius, sins Obama subtracted hiz ass!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

JO753

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:27 PM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The link that you provided shows
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a summary of U.S. objectives, negotiating round and public forum information, T-TIP blog posts, facts sheets, reports, and press releases.
But no actual. yanno, copies available for analysis....YES, IT WAS A SECRET despite your snide comment.

I stand corrected.

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The simpl way iz to require all payroll recordz to be submitted along with their inkum tax filingz. Naturally, if they are dealing with forin vendorz, it gets much more complicated.- JO
Actually, it gets impossible. The vendors in this market (Walmart, The Gap, etc) simply "subcontract" to another company in another nation, and let THEM do the exploiting. It's called "the gig economy", haven't you heard? Everyone is paid piecework.

Ye, I no how it wrks. But not every company or even every industry iz able to do that and thoze that can cant do it 100%. So, wen Jimmy Lee in Shen Qua iz making 10x wut hiz nayborz are, it starts to spred. Pretty soon, even the novelty fake dog doo factory haz to start paying more to keep employeez.

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JO .... WHO has killed more people and destroyed more nations in the past 20 years or so? Us? Or Russia? - SIGNY

US. And yet we are still sumhow the good guyz! - JO-
Good lord, how is that? Because our intentions are pure?

Sumthing to do with the US being a nation uv lawz (more or less) rather than a jiant corrupt cleptocrasy like Russia, China, India, Pakistan.

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Why is it in OUR interests to keep sway over an entire planet? What do YOU get out of it?

Good Q. The biggest paje on my site will probably end up being the ENVIRONMENT paje. Part uv it will go into that.

The short ansr iz individual power.

Due to the great amount uv power, especially the power to destroy, available to each uv us AND to groups uv any size, the survival uv the planet iz dependent on having sum sort uv indesputable unchallenjable Cop keeping a watch on thingz. The big dog on the block haz to be a good guy.

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The immigration system iz krap. Total krap. The GoPs blocked Obama frum fixing it and you want to blame Hillary? - JO
What was Obama's "fix"? Let everyone in? Legalize everyone?

Hard to say sins the GoPs blocked it!!! I suppoze its available sumwhere anyway.

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Trump is being just like I said he would be: A LOOSE CANNON.

Well, we need a loose cannon.

Az per abuv about power - no we do not.

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What's your goal here, JO? What are you aiming at?

Same az alwayz. Increase averaj intellijens, wizdom and empathy. Redoos evil. Contain and incapasitate the bad guyz.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

JO753

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:30 PM (P)

OOPS! Hit the 'reply with quote' butn insted uv 'edit'. Iz there a 'delete post' butn hidden sumwhere?

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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:54 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
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Originally posted by second:
How much land did the USA rob from Mexico? Millions of square miles, you know, all of Texas, California, New Mexico. Having that land part of Mexico would have made Mexico a much different country.

It definitely would have made the US a much different place. There almost never would have been a Democratic president without those 55 electoral votes from California.

Trump should be grateful to the 21st Century Mexicans for their ancestors "giving" Texas and the Western USA to Trump back in the 19th Century. It was not a voluntary gift, but it was a wonderful thing the Mexicans did. Speaking of voluntary:

Is Trump nuts not to voluntarily let us see his taxes?

Other Presidents have voluntarily disclosed their taxes because it protects them from innuendo and speculation such as: Is he secretly on the payroll of Russian oligarchs? Did he pay no taxes at all for years in the late 1990s? Is his every position on tax policy motivated by nothing more than personal greed?

But through all this, Trump still isn’t releasing his returns. And here’s what that means: Whatever is in his returns is not great. Trump has decided he prefers the picture where the president of the United States is shrouded in a perpetual haze of corruption, self-dealing, and impropriety to whatever clearer picture would emerge from full disclosure.

So what is it that’s in those tax returns?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 5:30 PM (P)

I'm not going to have a debate with you or anybody else about what we owe to the wonderful Mexicans.

If you feel so guilty about that, donate all of your money to the American Indians since all of it was made on their land.

SECOND

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 6:42 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I'm not going to have a debate with you or anybody else about what we owe to the wonderful Mexicans.

If you feel so guilty about that, donate all of your money to the American Indians since all of it was made on their land.

1kiki was demanding that I present a citation ("cite") proving that illegals from Mexico have it worse in Mexico than when they are in the USA, or else 1kiki won't believe me. I doubt that illegals left better paying jobs in Mexico to steal poorly paid jobs from good old USA citizens for patriotic revenge against the USA stealing land from Mexico. Mexicans would have to be nuts to go to that much trouble for a little revenge.

Instead, Mexicans have been coming North for a century to take the worst jobs in the USA because the worst is better paying than the average job back in Mexico and the worst jobs in the USA are wide open to anybody who wants them. US citizens quit the worst jobs sooner than illegals will. Those jobs look comparatively good to what is in Mexico. (1kiki would want a "cite" to prove that about Mexicans' and US citizens' attitudes toward work, but that's 1kiki's nutty rhetorical trick.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 7:16 PM (P)

Republicans are threatening to expose Trump as the emperor with no clothes

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-republicans-are-threatening-t
o-expose-trump-as-the-emperor-with-no-clothes/ar-AAolZAe?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

Not the Republican voters, but the Congressional majority is a little peeved by Trump's nuttiness. The Republican Congress might even beat some sense into Trump or kick the crazy man in the nuts, despite what Trump's voters think of their wonderful man who vowed to fulfill ‘every dream you ever dreamed’. That promise, all by itself, was a giveaway that Trump is nuts.
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-vows-fulfill-every-dream-you-ev
er-dreamed

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:30 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I'm not going to have a debate with you or anybody else about what we owe to the wonderful Mexicans.

If you feel so guilty about that, donate all of your money to the American Indians since all of it was made on their land.
1kiki was demanding that I present a citation ("cite") proving that illegals from Mexico have it worse in Mexico than when they are in the USA, or else 1kiki won't believe me. I doubt that illegals left better paying jobs in Mexico to steal poorly paid jobs from good old USA citizens for patriotic revenge against the USA stealing land from Mexico. Mexicans would have to be nuts to go to that much trouble for a little revenge.

Instead, Mexicans have been coming North for a century to take the worst jobs in the USA because the worst is better paying than the average job back in Mexico and the worst jobs in the USA are wide open to anybody who wants them. US citizens quit the worst jobs sooner than illegals will. Those jobs look comparatively good to what is in Mexico. (1kiki would want a "cite" to prove that about Mexicans' and US citizens' attitudes toward work, but that's 1kiki's nutty rhetorical trick.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

An honest broker SECOND would not ask for that cite. They too would have to admit hearing for years and even decades these people saying themselves, they come here for a better life.

Unfortunately, 1kiki is one of several here that hate America so much, they can't utter a decent word about us.

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THGRRI

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:44 PM (P)

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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So you have cut down on illegals - check. What's it going to be like when the only way to get a vegetable or a piece of fruit is to pick yourself?
International agribusiness gets diminished? Slave labor goes bye-bye? Those are good things. Don't you agree?

I dunno - is "International agribusiness gets diminished" a good thing? I already buy as much local as I can, will others? Do you?

"Slave labor goes bye-bye a good thing?" You seem to have no shame is making the dumbest assumptions and then asking the dumbest questions. I can't take you seriously when you do that. You pov is way too simple.

So fewer field hands/illegals means the price of produce sky rockets. How do you think Consumers will react? I made it simple for you Kiki!

A study done years ago showed if you doubled a field hands wages to $15.00, it would raise the price of cabbage 12 cents a head. Image how much better off the community would be if those field workers could pay their own way and had money to spend.

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6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:17 PM (P)

At this point I say just raise the minimum wage to 20 bucks and lets see who was right.

We're all a decade or two away from being poor and completely dependent on government anyways.

All of us, except for Second.

JO753

Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:11 AM (P)

He'z stocking up on cigarettes, the standard curransy for prizonerz.

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SECOND

Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
At this point I say just raise the minimum wage to 20 bucks and lets see who was right.

We're all a decade or two away from being poor and completely dependent on government anyways.

All of us, except for Second.

So long as Texas turns natural gas into plastic and exports liquefied natural gas, I'll have my royalty checks. But this is "Is Trump Nuts?" Trump made another seriously nutty decision today:

Trump is hiring the Bear Stearns economist who promised the economy was fine right before it went bankrupt! You are crazy, Trumpy!

David Malpass has been nominated to serve as undersecretary of Treasury for international affairs. In 2007, Malpass was chief economist at a soon-to-be-bankrupt investment bank, telling a country teetering on the brink of disaster that everything was okay. No amount of natural gas, no matter how large, will compensate for bad thinking at the Treasury if there should be another emergency like 2008. The whole USA could suffer for Malpass's (and Trump's) stupidity or insanity, take your pick in what you want to call what is wrong with these guys.

The fact that Malpass was utterly wrong didn’t stop him from trying again. In 2011, he popped back up with another Wall Street Journal op-ed urging the government to implement a policy of higher interest rates. Malpass said higher rates would lead to a stronger dollar and bigger economic growth. This is, to say the least, not how the majority of economists think this works. In 2012, Malpass warned that rejecting his advice was going to lead to a recession in 2013.

Obviously, that didn’t happen. Instead, the Fed kept interest rates low, leading to years of continuous job growth, which, in turn, led to a gradual strengthening of the dollar.

Bruce Bartlett, writing four years ago about Malpass’s poor track record, used it as a prime example of partisan bias in economic forecasting.

A perhaps optimistic view would be that Malpass was being deliberately biased in his past forecasts — trying to boost the fortunes of GOP politics as an outside propagandist while as a senior member of the Treasury team he’ll be boosting their fortunes by offering sound advice.

A bleaker view, however, would be that Malpass is a die-hard true believer who couldn’t contemplate the possibility that the low taxes and light regulation of the Bush years could be compatible with a catastrophic financial crisis. In an administration that’s already packed to the brim with Wall Street voices, that could be a very dangerous setup indeed.

www.vox.com/2017/3/15/14596938/david-malpass-treasury

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

OONJERAH

Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:15 AM (P)

^at Second: Look, I don't understand any of the financial principles &
maneuvers that you are explaining.
But I think you just said that with Trump & many of his like-thinking
cronies in charge, we are teetering on the brink of disaster as bad as
the stock market crash of 1929.

(So much for "Trump is a billionaire; he'll balance the budget.")

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:39 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I have serious doubts that Trump is going anywhere.

You libtards keep up the drama you're just ensuring that the GOP stays in control. Keep it up. ;)

Did you forget to capitalize "Libtard" here?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Besides, they've been ignoring the democrats and the chattering class for a while, and both lost any remaining semblance of credibility during the last election, with Hillary as a candidate, and her media-predicted cruise to victory.

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Originally posted by second:
You still harping on that same old story? What's his name, Bernie, lost by millions of votes in the Democratic primary. In the general election he would have looked like a Commie and been annihilated, same as George McGovern was by Nixon, even after Nixon's "secret" plan to win the Vietnam War had achieved nothing for four years. And Watergate.

SECOND

Trump didn't win, Clinton lost. I'm reposting these - yanno - facts, because you ignored them the first time around. And I put an especially relevant quote in larger font to help you focus on the salient point.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

CBS News exit polls suggest Trump’s win was in large part a repudiation of Hillary Clinton by a substantial number of white voters.
There are also indications that Clinton’s gender was a factor in the outcome.
Among white voters, 57 percent said Trump was not honest and trustworthy while fully 70 percent said the same of Clinton.
In the exit polls, voters were asked whether they strongly favored their candidate, liked their candidate but with reservations, or if they voted because they disliked the other candidate. While 21 percent of Clinton voters said they disliked the other candidates, more – 28 percent – of Trump voters reported that. There appears to have been more people voting against Clinton than against Trump.
It is difficult to say with any certainty, but with razor thin margins in some states, a small number of voters who might have supported Clinton (who voted for either Johnson or Stein) could have altered outcomes in some states.
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CBS News Exit Polls: How Donald Trump won the U.S. presidency

by Stanley Feldman and Melissa Herrmann

Many observers thought this presidential election would be decided by Donald Trump’s polarizing rhetoric, his history of behavior toward women and his questionable qualifications for the office.

Instead, CBS News exit polls suggest Trump’s win was in large part a repudiation of Hillary Clinton by a substantial number of white voters. While Clinton did win big majorities of minority voters, she did not get the level of support from those groups that she needed to overcome her deficit among white voters.

There are also indications that Clinton’s gender was a factor in the outcome. The gender gap was substantial. Trump beat Clinton by 53 percent to 41 percent among men while Clinton won among women by 54 percent to 42 percent. Four years ago, President Obama won 45 percent of men’s votes and Mitt Romney won 44 percent of women’s votes.

More telling is the gender breakdown among white voters: Trump beat Clinton among white women 53 percent to 43 percent. This was close to Romney’s margin in 2012. While Mr. Obama won 35 percent of white, male voters in 2012, Clinton lost to Trump among this group by 63 percent to 31 percent.

As expected, Trump did best among white voters without a college degree, beating Clinton by the enormous margin of 72 percent to 23 percent. Trump also won among white, non-college women 62 to 34 percent and white college-educated men, 54 to 39 percent. Among white voters, Clinton only won among women with a college degree by a 51 to 45 percent margin. Interestingly, among white voters, there is no evidence in the exit poll that income affected the likelihood that they supported Trump.

Clinton needed extremely strong support from African-American voters to try to offset Trump’s margin among whites. She did win 88 percent of the black vote to just 8 percent for Trump. Howe

SECOND

Thursday, March 16, 2017 7:48 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

^at Second: Look, I don't understand any of the financial principles &
maneuvers that you are explaining.
But I think you just said that with Trump & many of his like-thinking
cronies in charge, we are teetering on the brink of disaster as bad as
the stock market crash of 1929.

(So much for "Trump is a billionaire; he'll balance the budget.")

The USA is NOT teetering on the brink of financial disaster, but if Trump and his regulators follow the financial deregulation pattern of G.W.Bush, in eight years or less the USA could have a repeat of the crash of 2008 with one ugly twist: at least Bush and his people were not paralyzed with indecision during the disaster they caused. Trump and his people have totally wrong instincts & misunderstanding.

Trump would be as dumb as Herbert Hoover was about handling a crisis the size of the Crash of 1929. When in business Trump couldn't wrap his brain around a problem bigger than defrauding his investors and cheating on his taxes. As President he seems a smaller man than he was in business.
https://millercenter.org/president/hoover/domestic-affairs

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, March 16, 2017 9:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

The USA is NOT teetering on the brink of financial disaster, but if Trump and his regulators follow the financial deregulation pattern of G.W.Bush, in eight years or less the USA could have a repeat of the crash of 2008 with one ugly twist: at least Bush and his people were not paralyzed with indecision during the disaster they caused. Trump and his people have totally wrong instincts & misunderstanding.

Trump would be as dumb as Herbert Hoover was about handling a crisis the size of the Crash of 1929. When in business Trump couldn't wrap his brain around a problem bigger than defrauding his investors and cheating on his taxes. As President he seems a smaller man than he was in business.

?!

Yeah, I know, someone is wrong on the internet. No going to throw an opinion in here, just see some alternative facts that need correcting.

1) Deregulation was Bill Clinton, not GHW Bush.
2) It's hard to see how Glass-Steagall would encourage a crash.
3) The current president has far more experience in business than his precessor
4) The Hoover plan was what FDR based his 100 days on. The major difference was that FDR had congress on his side. There wasn't really difference of opinion there.

Srsly. Did a democratic ever do anything wrong or a republican ever do anything right?

If the answer is "no" then maybe you should rethink the whole democracy thing.

also this

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So long as Texas turns natural gas into plastic and exports liquefied natural gas, I'll have my royalty checks.

You signed a gas lease?

SECOND

Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:10 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

Srsly. Did a democratic ever do anything wrong or a republican ever do anything right?

If the answer is "no" then maybe you should rethink the whole democracy thing.

There are degrees of wrongness, shades of gray. The shade you see depends on who you are. For example, if you were me, you'd see the following story as demonstrating in big black letters that "Trump Is Nuts". If you were a dyed in the wool Trump voter the same story is all white letters on a white background and you see no hint of gray anywhere:

Quote:
Trump campaigned for the presidency by pledging no tax cuts for the wealthy, but newly leaked pages from his 2005 taxes demonstrate how the wealthiest Americans — like Trump — would benefit from some of his tax proposals.

Trump’s proposals to eliminate the alternative minimum tax, cut the capital gains tax rate and curb income tax rates would have shrunk his tax bill dramatically if they had been in place over a decade ago. The AMT alone was responsible for roughly 86 percent of his federal tax bill.

The Trump administration has said it would make up for lost revenue by closing loopholes, but the specific deductions Trump’s plan would eliminate have not been laid out in detail.

Trump’s promise to not slash taxes for the rich has already been called into question

I believe the Republican formulation for explaining Trump's promises is "Take him seriously, not literally." http://bigstory.ap.org/article/112dc47ef9ac4371958ae63d1aa824de/trump-
tax-bill-would-have-been-slashed-his-plans

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:16 PM (P)

Quote:
^at Second: Look, I don't understand any of the financial principles & maneuvers that you are explaining. But I think you just said that with Trump & many of his like-thinking cronies in charge, we are teetering on the brink of disaster as bad as the stock market crash of 1929. - OOJ

OONJ, we have been teetering on the brink of a collapse since .... well, it would be hard to figure out when this all really started.

Was it when Nixon untied the dollar from gold and linked it to oil instead ("petrodollar") in 1973?

When Clinton repealed the Glass Steagall Act and signed the Commodities Futures Modernization Act in 1999?

Was it when we started running trade deficits in 1976, or when our cumulative trade deficit topped our entire GDP output ten years later?

Or when hedge funds racked up somewhere in the realm of 10-1000X of the entire world's output in DEBT, based on the dollar, in betting on derivatives contracts?

Or maybe it was when the Fed bought toxic assets from the bad banks which created them, spewing money into the hands of the already-wealthy?

Or maybe it was our Ponzi-style scheme of fractional reserve banking?

Whatever and whenever it happened, we are really just a pending disaster. I know its fashionable to blame Trump for well, everything, but many people in both parties had a had in setting this up. Give credit where credit is due.

Although much of our trade, manufacturing, banking, and currency problems can be laid at the feet of Nixon who opened trade with China and negotiated the petrodollar deal, Bill who pushed for Permanent Trade Relations with China even though his own administration foresaw spiraling deficits and shrinking manufacturing, http://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib137/ and Bush who oversaw the accession of China into the WTO in 2001.

Oh, that Bill Clinton: never a "free trade" deal that he didn't like!

< insert fucked in the ass cartoon here >

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

SECOND

Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:39 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Whatever and whenever it happened, we are really just a pending disaster. I know its fashionable to blame Trump for well, everything, but many people in both parties had a had in setting this up. Give credit where credit is due.

You are using the wrong analogue of a cliff that the whole world is standing on the edge. A better analogue is that humanity is riding in thousands of buses with thousands of drivers, drivers being leaders. Any driver could crash his bus into a ditch or another bus at any moment because the driver forgot about the steering wheel. A blind driver in the biggest bus on the road, Trump at the wheel of America, could run most of the other buses off the road. The potential for disaster is because we are moving at high speeds in huge machines designed by people we don't understand and never meet with. The confusion comes from thinking that we should be living slowly, peacefully in the year 30 AD, before Jesus was crucified, if only those capitalists and their money and armies hadn't taken over the world.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 16, 2017 9:37 PM (P)

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Whatever and whenever it happened, we are really just a pending disaster. I know its fashionable to blame Trump for well, everything, but many people in both parties had a had in setting this up. Give credit where credit is due. - SIGNY

You are using the wrong analogue of a cliff that the whole world is standing on the edge. = SECOND

Not "the whole world" but quite a lot of it, and there is nothing wrong my description which - BTW- was NOT an "analogy". "We" .... and by "we" I mean "they" ... the IMF, the World Bank, the Central Banks, the various heads of state but especially China and the USA .... have walked us here, step by step.

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A better analogue is that humanity is riding in thousands of buses with thousands of drivers, drivers being leaders. Any driver could crash his bus into a ditch or another bus at any moment because the driver forgot about the steering wheel. A blind driver in the biggest bus on the road, Trump at the wheel of America, could run most of the other buses off the road. The potential for disaster is because we are moving at high speeds in huge machines designed by people we don't understand and never meet with. The confusion comes from thinking that we should be living slowly, peacefully in the year 30 AD, before Jesus was crucified, if only those capitalists and their money and armies hadn't taken over the world.

That was just about the most irrational post I've read from you lately.

I wasn't posting "analogies" SECOND, I was posting FACTS: Dollar-denominated debt is somewhere in the realm of 10-1000X the entire world GDP, and the vast the bulk of that debt is funding "derivatives" speculation. We could NEVER pay that off, ever. It took many steps by many institutions and leaders to get where we are today, and yet: Here we are.

I'll leave the "analogizing" to you.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

SECOND

Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:17 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I wasn't posting "analogies" SECOND, I was posting FACTS: Dollar-denominated debt is somewhere in the realm of 10-1000X the entire world GDP . . .

I really love the way you think. No, not really. Trump is blessed with congressional majorities. One would expect his budget to be a fairly literal legislative proposal. Trump’s budget is different.

Its military spending increases would violate the Budget Control Act of 2011, meaning that it could not actually be passed as a budget. (The law itself could be amended, but that, unlike a budget, would take 60 votes). Which is just as well, because a budget that completely ignores both taxes and the domestic entitlement programs — Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, plus some smaller items — isn’t really a budget at all.

Instead, it’s simply an effort to translate a policy-ignorant candidate’s often nonsensical campaign rhetoric into something budget-shaped. Trump promised to balance the budget while cutting taxes and preserving entitlements — which isn’t possible. So huge swathes of the budget are simply missing. He promised a big defense hike, so it’s in there even though it’s illegal.

The blame for most of what has gone wrong with the USA ought not be distributed to the rest of the world as you, Signym, have just now done: "... the IMF, the World Bank, the Central Banks, the various heads of state but especially China and the USA .... have walked us here, step by step." The blame for what is wrong with the USA can be found within the budget. Trump's is a crazy budget from a crazy man. Remember, this topic is "Is Trump Nuts?" The topic is not "Is Somebody Not Trump Nuts?"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:29 PM (P)

Quote:
I really love the way you think. No, not really- SECOND

I really love the way you don't think. No, not really

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Trump is blessed with congressional majorities. One would expect his budget to be a fairly literal legislative proposal. Trump’s budget is different.- SECOND

Dollar-denominated debt is made of all kinds of parts: individual debt (made of mortgages, student loans, car loans and credit card debt), business debt (including private pensions, loans taken out to repurchase stock or for M&As), public debt (Federal state, city etc which also include public pensions), and financial debt- loans taken for speculation in futures, hedge funds, commodities, and derivatives. Of those, by far, the largest and scariest part of the debt problem is DERIVATIVES. Oh, and BTW- derivatives are denominated in dollars and ONLY in dollars, so only the dollar would get hit in a derivatives melt-down.

How do I know this? Well, people who deal in derivatives say so, and all of the bank regulators say so, too. The reason why nobody knows HOW MUCH debt there is ... but they know it's a lot ... is because THIS debt is "off book". It's the one category of loans that banks get let off the hook, for the most part.

The Federal deficit in a pimple on the ass of a much, MUCH larger problem. It's important, but it's not THE most important problem. Banks have a much bigger problem.

So, yeah- let's go for that balanced budget (BTW, Obama raised the Federal debt more than all other Presidents combined, so why weren't you bitching about that then?) but remember that there are much bigger fish to fry out there, and re-impose Glass Steagall so that our retail savings don't get "invested" in derivatives.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:47 PM (P)

HEY JO! I didn't want to have this discussion get lost in the shuffle! Right now this is one of the few intelligent ones going. By topic:

THE TPP/TTIP

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The link that you provided shows a summary of U.S. objectives, negotiating round and public forum information, T-TIP blog posts, facts sheets, reports, and press releases. But no actual. yanno, copies available for analysis....YES, IT WAS A SECRET despite your snide comment.- SIGNY

I stand corrected.- JO

And the specific problems with these "free trade" agreements isn't the usual economic one (where the people at both ends suffer a reduced standard of living and only the transnationals benefit, like NAFTA) but also a POLITICAL one:

A nation relinquishing control over its internal policies (where they conflict with "usual and expected profits" ... which is pretty much everywhere) to a private tribunal of transnational corporations. That's a one-way step. Now, what kind of leader (President or Prime Minister) would sign such a deal except a traitor? This is so much bigger than Trump versus Hillary. The transnationals will, for sure, attempt to negotiate something similar in the future, whether in a series of "bilateral" deals (a la Trump) or as part of a whole new multi-party package. All new trade deals need to be examined closely, no matter who is President.

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The simpl way iz to require all payroll recordz to be submitted along with their inkum tax filingz. Naturally, if they are dealing with forin vendorz, it gets much more complicated.- JO

Actually, it gets impossible. The vendors in this market (Walmart, The Gap, etc) simply "subcontract" to another company in another nation, and let THEM do the exploiting. It's called "the gig economy", haven't you heard? Everyone is paid piecework.- SIGNY

Ye, I no how it wrks. But not every company or even every industry iz able to do that and thoze that can cant do it 100%. So, wen Jimmy Lee in Shen Qua iz making 10x wut hiz nayborz are, it starts to spred. Pretty soon, even the novelty fake dog doo factory haz to start paying more to keep employeez.- JO

What you are talking about is a regulatory requirement: make payroll receipts and tax filings a necessary submission. Let's assume that extends to subcontractors and sub-subcontractors and down the the individual who has been "scraped off" the wage system and is working as a sub-sub-subcontractor him/herself. THEY have to submit their income statements, too!

Hey, I work in a regulatory agency, and we demand a lot of paperwork, and yet all of that paperwork has not prevented some terrible environmental crimes. So you need actual inspectors ... people going to the shops and homes to examine their standard of living etc to make sure that the paperwork is correct. And then, assuming you find a violation, you still need to have a hearing ... at which point the vendor will devolve responsibility to those below* ... and then assign a penalty. What's the penalty?

*the problem of "shared responsibility" where each party is guilty only of a small part of evil-doing. It makes participation much easier on the conscience of the individuals and much harder to prove guilt.

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JO .... WHO has killed more people and destroyed more nations in the past 20 years or so? Us? Or Russia? - SIGNY

US. And yet we are still sumhow the good guyz! - JO

Good lord, how is that? Because our intentions are pure?- SIGNY

Sumthing to do with the US being a nation uv lawz (more or less) rather than a jiant corrupt cleptocrasy like Russia, China, India, Pakistan. - JO

So being a nation of laws instead of a "giant kleptocracy" explains why we have been destroying and exploiting nations for years and why the system that WE stand behind- the IMF, the World Bank, and Free Enterprise has created a situation where 8 people own more than the bottom 50% of the world, and we have the largest wealth gap

DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 17, 2017 6:06 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

There are degrees of wrongness, shades of gray. The shade you see depends on who you are. For example, if you were me, you'd see the following story as demonstrating in big black letters that "Trump Is Nuts".

The problem with "Trump hate" for me is that it's ridiculous to pretend we don't already know exactly who Donald Trump is. I remember Ivanka being born. I remember her and him being in the news nonstop for most of my life. We know exactly who he is. I was discussing the idea of Trump as a politician at RPUSA almost 15 years ago and they said "Trump is only in it for himself. And his family."

That said, I'm sure he'll do things for the inner cities, for America, but probably not unless he's getting something out of the deal.

I don't think there are dyed in the wool Trump voters. I think he's to the left of me, and I'm a moderate dem.

HINT: Lose the tax story. I mean this sincerely. I'm an undecided american, re: Trump. I think Trump is in it for Trump. Trump wants to convince me otherwise. I don't know how I vote in 2020. You want to make sure I vote for Trump? keep thumping that tax syort. And throw in a "but Russia" for good measure. And really, that's jsut my solid advice. Some arguments are losers. presidents are 1%ers, and 1%ers dodge taxes. We get that.

"Trump — would benefit from some of his tax proposals." Yes, but nothing compared to the benefit of Rex Tillerson's trillion dollar oil deal, which, btw, I support. And me a moderate dem and environmentalist. I'm almost a one issue eco-voter, but I just judge for myself what I think is bad for the earth and I know a lot about it. So, oil deal? I like it.It gets rid of a lot of bad energy policy like fracking, which I hate. Alternative Energies? I love 'em. Trump, not so much. But I think he'll be overruled on that. As I said, I'm undecided. I don't know. On Hillary? I was decided. No Hillary. Never Clinton. So, Bernie, even though I can't stand socialism, I like Bernie. And Stein, because, it's a protest vote, "Go Earth!" hug a tree, etc.

I'm not so atypical from what I hear. I like peace, prosperity, clean air, clean water, and no coporate monopolies. I don't really care whether anyone else pays their taxes. Federal Taxes are for Discretionary Spending, which means military, which means war. So yeah, no one should pay taxes,including Donald Trump. He should build hotels and casinos, that employee people. Taxes just kill people. Entitlement spending, that comes out of FICA. But this:

Quote:
Trump’s proposals to eliminate the alternative minimum tax, cut the capital gains tax rate and curb income tax rates would have shrunk his tax bill dramatically if they had been in place over a decade ago. The AMT alone was responsible for roughly 86 percent of his federal tax bill.

Good for him. Get rid of the AMT, please. Why?I know what you're thinking, this guy who make <20k doesn't know what's good for him. But here's my argument

If you earn 20k, you spend it all on goods and services, commerce.
If you earn 100k, you pay at least half in taxes, and 20-40k on commerce.
people earning 1 million? they spend maybe 50-100k on commerce, and the rest they invest.

So, my income goes to commerce, where i buy things. The price of those things is determined by the value of the dollar (a mix of how much America is producing as an industrial power, and how much oil* we own) and how much Tax the merchant who is selling me goods and services has ot pay in taxes. And AMT is 7% of that. So, it's just a chip, but we can knock it down, then good. No one in this country wants to pay it, and I don't want to pay the higher prices that result from them paying it.

Quote:
The Trump administration has said it would make up for lost revenue by closing loopholes, but the specific deductions Trump’s plan would elimin

JO753

Friday, March 17, 2017 12:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
HEY JO! I didn't want to have this discussion get lost in the shuffle!

It iz lost. A plastic needle in a haystack uv endless Trump topics. unfindabl unless you no exactly where to look.

So I'll move it over to the 753 for Prez topic.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

SECOND

Friday, March 17, 2017 5:47 PM (P)

Trump’s chief strategist Steve Bannon is calling for a war to reset the entire world, a war bigger than Vietnam or Iraq.

Steve Bannon’s advice is that America can return to its previous Greatness only after a devastating war. Do you remember “Make America Great Again”? That is how Bannon does it.

Before he worked in the White House, Bannon was writer and director for nine “documentaries” propagandizing his theme of redeeming America with a World War.

You can watch a 9 minute video about the themes within Bannon’s propaganda films at https://qz.com/933459/to-understand-steve-bannon-you-need-to-watch-thr
ee-of-his-movies/ or on youtube.

Trump is nuts for hiring Steve Bannon. If Trump starts Bannon’s War for the good of American Christians, Trump is extra nuts.

Trump's first budget proposal will call for $54 billion increase in defense spending. It's a step toward war. The budget could be indicating that Bannon has already convinced Trump that war will fix everything, make America great again.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, March 17, 2017 8:20 PM (P)

I'm not happy seeing an increase in military spending, but 54 billion is a drop in the bucket really...

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/defense_spending

After inflation that's about a 4-5% increase, and still well under its peak during the early Obama years.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 17, 2017 9:08 PM (P)

Second,

the video strikes me as mostly honest, except the bit about the necessity of war and that bannon is the at the center of power. Bannon is there to get people on board, not because Trump believes in him.

That said, bannon is a little distorted. here's some origins of that kind of thought.
Winter is Coming. LOL.
The Crisis Prosperity Decay. this is a take on the stand conspiracist model
French Revolution IS the beginning of evil, it's the dawn of rationalism
Socialism soon follows, and those "evils" are a result. That's just a common conservative perspective, which I agree with. I'll go so far as to say nazi in japan were part of it, but not japan by itself. I happen to think we were wrong to go to war with japan, we should have just tried to cut off german control of japan.
Cold War=Third world war. that's a neocon thing. Neocons themselves are commies, and this is a way of them saying "but russia"
islam? no, we created radical islam using religion, that's just a bogus idea. I think that along with the pro-christian thing is a snow job, probably of zionist origin, to lure people into a crusade.
However, we've been in that crusade for some time. We've been at war all over the muslim world since 2003.
When did these movies come out?

I'm not convinced that this is calling for a new war, but maybe just setting up to claim victory over radical islam to get that reaganesque glow of herosim.
just my spot thought on the video

SECOND

Friday, March 17, 2017 9:19 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I'm not happy seeing an increase in military spending, but 54 billion is a drop in the bucket really...

Drop in the bucket my ass. $54 billion is enough to build Trump's Wall two and a half times. Trump border 'wall' to cost $21.6 billion. Trump can build a wall, then another behind that, then another behind the second one. Some places along the border really won't need a third wall for triple redundancy.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-wall-exclusive-idUSKB
N15O2ZN

And $54 billion is not a onetime increase. Next year there will be another $54 billion or more. And if Trump starts the war Steve Bannon wants, a World War that resets everything, there will be emergency appropriations. Iraq cost $823.2 billion in emergency appropriations. Steve Bannon is selling Trump on a War bigger than Iraq. Is Trump nuts enough to buy what Bannon is selling? Maybe.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/11/us-public-defrauded-hidd
en-cost-iraq-war

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, March 17, 2017 10:13 PM (P)

I’ve got proof Trump is nuts. He can’t show that Obama used Americans to spy on Trump, so now he is claiming that Obama asked the British to do the spying. Trump is certifiably nuts.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/british-prime-minister-latest-b
e-pissed-donald-trump

Trump needs to get it through his head that he's now the president of the United States. When he tosses off random crap because he's bored and wants attention—and then refuses to back down because Trump never backs down—as President he is wasting everyone's time and risks far more than just his own tattered reputation.

The result so far of Trump's nuttiness is that the House and Senate are wasting time pretending to investigate Obama for a crime worse than Watergate; the Justice Department is wasting time responding to the House and Senate; the conservative media is wasting time inventing ever more crap to defend Trump's original crap; the White House communications shop is wasting time desperately trying to research spin to back up their boss; and the prime minister of Great Britain is pissed off. All because nutty Trump got bored one morning.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, March 17, 2017 11:25 PM (P)

I spent less than $5,000 last year.

The amount of money the Government spends on anything is ridiculous. It's all just made up 1's and 0's at this point. More than 90% of the US currency out there today isn't even backed up by worthless paper anymore.

SECOND

Saturday, March 18, 2017 12:18 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I spent less than $5,000 last year.

The amount of money the Government spends on anything is ridiculous. It's all just made up 1's and 0's at this point. More than 90% of the US currency out there today isn't even backed up by worthless paper anymore.

Congratulations! $5,000 per year places you high up in the world's elite since 71% of the world's population lives on less than $10 a day or $3,650 per year.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/08/news/economy/global-low-income/

Bringing back gold as currency is very appealing to Trump. If he does it, the dollar will be more than worthless paper. The reason why they stopped using the gold standard is that people who already own all the gold would end up owning everything else in the USA, too. Leaving most gold-less Americans owning nothing might be less than a good idea, but I would like Trump to try. The chaotic aftermath could be nutty & funny. Or depressing & starving. Who's to know which without trying? Trump will try anything at least once just to see what happens in order to satisfy his curiosity.
http://thedailycoin.org/2017/02/19/will-trump-return-gold-standard/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, March 18, 2017 2:07 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I spent less than $5,000 last year.

The amount of money the Government spends on anything is ridiculous. It's all just made up 1's and 0's at this point. More than 90% of the US currency out there today isn't even backed up by worthless paper anymore.
Congratulations! $5,000 per year places you high up in the world's elite since 71% of the world's population lives on less than $10 a day or $3,650 per year.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/08/news/economy/global-low-income/

You are a silly, silly woman.

More than 1/5th of that $5,000 was property taxes. If I lived in Illinois in the same house, 15 miles west of me, I would have paid $5,000 in property taxes alone.

The 71% you speak of don't have the high cost of living that is a built in part of the American "dream".

"Elite". That's funny. My income in 2 years has been $0. My income since 2009 has not come close to what I used to make in a year.

SECOND

Saturday, March 18, 2017 3:09 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

You are a silly, silly woman.

My income in 2 years has been $0. My income since 2009 has not come close to what I used to make in a year.

You think I'm silly, do you? Then you will be thinking that Paul Ryan is wise and serious.

Ryan is passionate about the idea that the government helping low-income people such as yourself can actually hurt them. As he explained, social assistance programs make it less painful for people to be jobless.

“The left,” he said, “thinks this is a good thing. They say, ‘hey, this is a new freedom — the freedom not to work.’” But they’re “making a big mistake here. What they're offering people is a full stomach and an empty soul.” Under Ryan’s health bill, strongly endorsed by Trump who in my opinion is a nut, but perhaps not in 6stringJoker's, if you want medical care then you’re going to have go out there and hustle and make sure you find yourself a soul-filling job.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/17/14960358/paul-ryan-medicaid-
keg

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, March 18, 2017 4:02 AM (P)

Buying power of currency and international exchange rates are totally differnt things. A family living off of $2000 in Moldova is potentially better off than a family living off of $20000 in the US.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, March 18, 2017 5:39 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

You are a silly, silly woman.

My income in 2 years has been $0. My income since 2009 has not come close to what I used to make in a year.
You think I'm silly, do you? Then you will be thinking that Paul Ryan is wise and serious.

Ryan is passionate about the idea that the government helping low-income people such as yourself can actually hurt them. As he explained, social assistance programs make it less painful for people to be jobless.

“The left,” he said, “thinks this is a good thing. They say, ‘hey, this is a new freedom — the freedom not to work.’” But they’re “making a big mistake here. What they're offering people is a full stomach and an empty soul.” Under Ryan’s health bill, strongly endorsed by Trump who in my opinion is a nut, but perhaps not in 6stringJoker's, if you want medical care then you’re going to have go out there and hustle and make sure you find yourself a soul-filling job.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/17/14960358/paul-ryan-medicaid-
keg

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I agree with Ryan. I haven't gotten any foodstamps or any other assistance since my unemployment ran out. I'm not of retirement age, so the government shouldn't be subsidizing my choice not to work. And yes, it is a choice. I don't want to work another part time bullshit minimum wage job, but there are plenty of them out there. Eventually I will have to accept one of them if nothing better pops up.

If Obamacare hadn't come out I wouldn't be getting health insurance either, but because of the mandate I file for it because I'll be damned if I have to pay an extra $695 a year in taxes for not accepting free healthcare.

That's not why you were silly.

DT covered that in the previous reply.

SECOND

Sunday, March 19, 2017 4:15 AM (P)

Trump has history of debunked claims.
CNN's Victor Blackwell looks back at five claims President Trump made via Twitter that were proven to be false.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 19, 2017 4:49 AM (P)

Trump has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ GWB has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ Hillary has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ CNN has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ McCain has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ NYT has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ Obama has history of debunked claims.

Seriously. Your obsession with Trump is pitiful.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

SECOND

Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:16 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ GWB has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ Hillary has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ CNN has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ McCain has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ NYT has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ Obama has history of debunked claims.

Seriously. Your obsession with Trump is pitiful.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

Yup, there is something wrong with Trump. As for all those other institutions and obsolete/retired politicians, nobody cares anymore.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:25 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
And yes, it is a choice. I don't want to work another part time bullshit minimum wage job, but there are plenty of them out there. Eventually I will have to accept one of them if nothing better pops up.

What's Trump going to do to fix you?

In a 2015 paper, “The Growing Importance of Social Skills in the Labor Market,” Deming writes:

High-paying, difficult-to-automate jobs increasingly require social skills. Nearly all job growth since 1980 has been in occupations that are relatively social skill-intensive. Jobs that require high levels of analytical and mathematical reasoning but low levels of social interaction have fared especially poorly.

What this means, according to Deming, is that

the economy-wide shift toward social skill-intensive occupations has occurred disproportionately among women rather than men. This is consistent with a large literature showing sex differences in social perceptiveness and the ability to work with others.

David Geary describes a vicious cycle that entraps men who either drop out of the work force or take low-skill jobs with few prospects of improvement:

The long-term political implications of large numbers of unengaged and underemployed men are potentially very serious. Marriage typically reduces men’s aggressiveness and rule breaking and focuses them on family and engagement with the community. However, if large numbers of them are not attractive as potential husbands, due to poor long-term economic prospects, then this “civilizing” influence is lost to them. I don’t know what the tipping point would be, but the potential for large-scale discontentment and destabilization increases as the proportion of these men increases.

David Buss elaborated on Geary’s point in an email, stressing the lower proportion of men than women getting college degrees:

Women have strong mate preferences such that they do not want to mate or marry men who are less educated, less intelligent, and less successful than they are.

And this, Buss said, “creates a surplus of men” at the low end who are not going to get married.

Millions of these less well educated men are not going to get the benefits of marriage:

Married men live longer, are less likely to become alcoholic, take drugs, commit suicide, etc.

What's Trump going to do to fix you?

www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/opinion/the-increasing-significance-of-the-
decline-of-men.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:38 AM (P)

Quote:
Yup, there is something wrong with Trump. As for all those other institutions and obsolete/retired politicians, nobody cares anymore.

What do you mean 'anymore'? You never cared in the first place. As long as they were someone on 'your side', they were OK in your book.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:41 AM (P)

Quote:
Yup, there is something wrong with Trump. As for all those other institutions and obsolete/retired politicians, nobody cares anymore.- SECOND

Well, since Hillary, NYT, and CNN are "obsolete" does this mean you won't reference them anymore?

You seem to think that you represent the world, since if YOU don't care, "nobody" cares.

Wow, narcissist much? Obsessive much? Irrational much?

Is SECOND nuts?

SECOND, hon, see if you can spend at least ONE day without posting about Trump. 'Mkay?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

1KIKI

Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:43 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
What's Trump going to do to fix you?
www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/opinion/the-increasing-significance-of-the-
decline-of-men.html

An opinion piece, in the NYTimes no less, with absolutely no relevance to REAL. WORLD. EVENTS.

THGRRI

Sunday, March 19, 2017 7:01 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ GWB has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ Hillary has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ CNN has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ McCain has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ NYT has history of debunked claims.

~~Trump~~ Obama has history of debunked claims.

Seriously. Your obsession with Trump is pitiful.

And your continued defense of the defenseless shows your ignorance, as well as your alt right perspective of the world.

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1KIKI

Sunday, March 19, 2017 7:25 AM (P)

Quote:
And your continued defense of the defenseless

is a noble calling indeed. For who else will stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves?

I'm just having fun with your atrocious thinking.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:49 PM (P)

lol... Getting married to show you have it together is so last century. 50% of marriages end in divorce, and many of them just completely ruin the children.

I'm fixing myself. Even with my problems I already have my shit together more than 90% of other Americans. Getting married is not on my bucket list.

Do you have any actual points that you want to discuss second, or are you happy making like Wish and taking time out of your busy schedule to try to personally attack other people?

SECOND

Sunday, March 19, 2017 6:34 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
lol... Getting married to show you have it together is so last century. 50% of marriages end in divorce, and many of them just completely ruin the children.

I'm fixing myself. Even with my problems I already have my shit together more than 90% of other Americans. Getting married is not on my bucket list.

Do you have any actual points that you want to discuss second,

Saying “Honestly” as often as Trump, says he is a liar. For example of him lying: under Trumpcare in 2018, average premiums for single policyholders would be 15 percent to 20 percent higher than under current law. Need another example of Trump lying? 14 million more people would be uninsured under Trumpcare in 2018.
www.businessinsider.com/cbo-congressional-budget-office-score-ahca-tru
mpcare-2017-3

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
or are you happy making like Wish and taking time out of your busy schedule to try to personally attack other people?

This is how I originally wrote this, starting with a personal attack on you: Saying I got my shit together does not get your shit together. Saying “Honestly” as often as Trump, says he is a liar. For example of him lying: under Trumpcare in 2018, average premiums for single policyholders would be 15 percent to 20 percent higher than under current law. Need another example of Trump lying? 14 million more people would be uninsured under Trumpcare in 2018.
www.businessinsider.com/cbo-congressional-budget-office-score-ahca-tru
mpcare-2017-3

Need I add that Trump is nuts to lie as often as he does about his important policies?

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, March 19, 2017 6:45 PM (P)

Having my shit together makes my shit together. I don't have anything to prove to you.

SECOND

Sunday, March 19, 2017 6:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Having my shit together makes my shit together. I don't have anything to prove to you.

Apparently Trump doesn't have to prove anything to you, either. He can lie to you about any policy, any fact, anytime, anywhere, with no consequences.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, March 19, 2017 7:08 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:

You misunderstood again. Defenseless ideas not defenseless people. Think about it. The former is the idea that Trump is fit to be president. The latter would be the people that will have their insurance taken from them by Trump. See?

As many as a half-million Texans could become uninsured under Trump's plan to replace the Affordable Care Act, wiping out at least half the gains the state has made in reducing the number of uninsured residents in recent years.

Texas still has the nation's highest percentage of people without health insurance, but that uninsured rate has dropped significantly, falling to about 19 percent from 26 percent over the past four years.

www.houstonchronicle.com/business/medical/article/A-half-million-Texan
s-could-be-without-insurance-11011934.php?t=8747e7f3f2438d9cbb&cmpid=email-premium

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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