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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:54 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Huge Tipping Point.

Trump loses.

Republicans lose.

Bannon loses.

Ignorance loses.

Sexual predators lose.

Alabama wins.

America wins.

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 11:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It's "lose", not "loose".

"Loose" is like when your clothes are too big. Please correct.

****

What little I know about Roy Moore made him sound like an idiot. I have no idea about Doug Jones; maybe he's just as big a douchebag as Debbie or Hillary. One of these days, I'll look up his record.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 11:42 PM

BRENDA


Hooray Alabama!

And that is from my corner of Canada.

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:09 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


I wasn't sure they had it in them

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:19 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's "lose", not "loose".

"Loose" is like when your clothes are too big. Please correct.

****

What little I know about Roy Moore made him sound like an idiot. I have no idea about Doug Jones; maybe he's just as big a douchebag as Debbie or Hillary. One of these days, I'll look up his record.




To think I was an English major... I actually got out of bed because I realized the loose and lose thing - now corrected - it bothered me too.

Yeah Alabama!

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:31 AM

OONJERAH


Here's a link if anyone wants it:

"Democratic candidate for Senate Doug Jones and his wife, Louise, wave to supporters
before giving his victory speech in Birmingham, Ala., on Tuesday."

An Upset In Trump Country: Democrat Doug Jones Bests Roy Moore In Alabama
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/12/570291123/will-it-be-moore-or-jones-pol
ls-are-closed-in-divisive-alabama-senate-election



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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 2:55 AM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It's "lose", not "loose".




To think I was an English major... I actually got out of bed because I realized the loose and lose thing - now corrected - it bothered me too.




I enjoy watching you nonNQaLF spellerz suffer from your afliction. The s = z iz particularly funny wen it leadz to kaos like this.

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 2:57 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hallelujah!!!

Pass the amunitition!!!

Resist!!!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Huge Tipping Point.

Trump loses.

Republicans lose.

Bannon loses.

Ignorance loses.

Sexual predators lose.

Alabama wins.

America wins.


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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:09 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Meanwhile, as Bannon quietly slips into a waiting car and slips quietly into the night (without saying a word, by the way, he did not answer reporter's questions) Republicans start the Blame Game.

http://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-blame-steve-bannon-for-roy-
moores-loss-2017-12


Bannon must return to his coffin before sunrise or he'll disintergrate.
(that's a reference to his undead status).


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Huge Tipping Point.

Trump loses.

Republicans lose.

Bannon loses.

Ignorance loses.

Sexual predators lose.

Alabama wins.

America wins.


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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:16 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
To think I was an English major... I actually got out of bed because I realized the loose and lose thing - now corrected - it bothered me too.


Coulda been worse.
http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20050909.html

THAT one I just could not resist, mehehehe.

-Frem
I do not serve The Blind God

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 6:56 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


I think its a good thing, one single party holding onto power for decades is a bad thing for democracy. That Roy Moore guy I don't know if he was a protectionist, but the dirt of politics will grow, there were ethical questions on people in the political business too long, and Roy Moore sexual misconduct allegations. Not sure who these Kennedy Jr, Strange or Mo Brooks guys were? This will perhaps be a good thing for everyone. Doug Jones is a good win but if I would have any criticism is that he was close to the Clinton's in the 90s? who have a name that is becoming toxic. Jones as a "moderate Democrat" compared to Hollywierd types, but he is a different person and anyways a good win for democracy and the State.

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey Frem.

Hope you're still not mad at me too. Been sober just shy of a year now.

Good to see you around here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:40 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

What little I know about Roy Moore made him sound like an idiot.

He could have been a useful idiot to me. I'm worried that Roy Moore's lose might be a lose of my tax cut. No Democrat will vote for it, but Moore would have.

Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill said the election will be certified between Dec. 27 and Jan. 3, giving Republicans as little as two weeks to pass the tax legislation with their current 52-to-48 majority.

Republicans in the House and Senate have each passed technically different bills that will give a trillion dollars or more to me and my class of 1 Percenters. The GOP pretends otherwise, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. The most established of establishment Republicans are happy to live in a fantasy world of their own concoction and to wave away overwhelming evidence as partisan fabrication.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/12/16762032/trump-moore-republ
icans-taxes-lies


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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:40 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
To think I was an English major... I actually got out of bed because I realized the loose and lose thing - now corrected - it bothered me too.


Coulda been worse.
http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20050909.html

THAT one I just could not resist, mehehehe.

-Frem
I do not serve The Blind God



Heheh - "rail gun." One reason why I prefer to talk to people - when I speak everything is perfectly spelled.

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:47 AM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:
One reason why I prefer to talk to people - when I speak everything is perfectly spelled.



HA! Good way to state it!

I liked the comic in spite uv the lojik fail.

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:04 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
He could have been a useful idiot to me. I'm worried that Roy Moore's lose might be a lose of my tax cut. No Democrat will vote for it, but Moore would have.



This was not loost on me btw.

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


G ... typos are my downfall.

*****

I know where Doug stands on

Obamacare (for). (But will he propose negotiating for lower drug costs?)
Also freedom to choose abortion.
Slowing climate change
Raising the minimum wage
Education
Equal rights for all
https://dougjonesforsenate.com/

But what I wanted to know is where he stands on the issues that are important to me: American manufacturing, free trade, war, debt, banks, and immigration.

Quote:

I support the DACA program and would support the DREAM Act or similar legislation to ensure young people brought here as children who have never known any other nation can remain in the United States.
This is a very careful stance. What does he feel about illegal immigration overall? Does he have a reform in mind? (I know I do!)

Quote:

[I ] Absolutely [support an audit of the DoD]. Even though the Department of Defense receives more than $600 billion annually and is the largest employer in the world, there has never been an audit of the agency.
An audit is currently underway, so that issue has been taken away from him.

Quote:

[Free trade] Agreements should ensure there are no barriers to exporting American goods such as high tariffs that could increase difficulty for Alabama manufacturers who want to sell their products overseas. The agreements should create jobs for Alabamians, boost the economy and allow our businesses to expand the workforce and create markets for their products.
This is the "Clinton" stance on free trade, because of course nobody is going to say out loud that they're for a bad free trade deal even if they are; and if you're against free trade deals you'll say so freely.

Quote:

The national debt is an extraordinarily complex issue and addressing our debt crisis will require hard work and consensus building. I will work with the other 99 senators to address this issue. We have to find a way to eliminate the political posturing and debate and propose solutions that are within the realm of reality. This problem was not created overnight nor was it created by one political party. It will not be solved overnight, but I am committed to getting the job done. Given the enormity of the problem, I am unwilling to take any options off the table prematurely.
In other words, he hasn't said anything specific.
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/09/senate_candidate_doug_jone
s_an.html


He has not weighed in on foreign wars (and our habit of invading and destroying other nations), internal surveillance, and some other issues important to me. Overall, he sounds like a status quo, "third way" Clintonian-Democrat: socially liberal but economically anti-American. It'll be interesting to see how he votes.

I wish that the Dems would run candidates that are socially liberal but economically nationalist, more isolationist, and fiscally more conservative. If they did, I think they'd sweep up a LOT of disaffected people.

I'm fiercely pro-equality and I think real education is always a benefit to the population, but not in a milieu where there are 20 people for every job and we're competing against Bangladesh and robots for work. And we can be fiscally conservative if we cut our military budget to a third, revamp our healthcare as "Medicare for all" and negotiate for lower drug prices (as well as other reforms) because the "healthcare industry" is taking up a larger and larger and larger slice of the economic pie, and we're getting shit for it. The current setup is just a giant hemorrhage of money (tax money and otherwise) into an extremely narrow sector of the economy. Then if the government instituted a modest import tariff, a modest carbon tax (the only real way to reduce carbon-based burning; this cap-and-trade is for shit) and eliminated a bunch of big-business loopholes there'd be a crap-ton of money left over for infrastructure, environmental remediation, and other programs important to "the commons" and to our common future.

I sure wish the Dems would go back to representing ordinary Americans and being anti-war. I didn't leave the party, but the party sure left me!





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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 2:22 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I sure wish the Dems would go back to representing ordinary Americans and being anti-war. I didn't leave the party, but the party sure left me!

The GOP is almost 100% pro-war. If there had been no Republicans in Congress, there would have been no Iraq war, for one example: In the Senate, 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq.

Six House Republicans and one Independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Representatives in voting NAY, on October 11, 2002, to the unprovoked use of force against Iraq.

www.thoughtco.com/2002-iraq-war-vote-3325446

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 2:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The GOP is almost 100% pro-war.
So are the Dems. (Trump was the only one who even hinted at "less war".)

So where's my choice?

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Pity would be no more,
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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:20 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

The GOP is almost 100% pro-war.
So are the Dems. (Trump was the only one who even hinted at "less war".)

So where's my choice?

You didn't believe that quote? "Six House Republicans and one Independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Representatives in voting NAY, on October 11, 2002, to the unprovoked use of force against Iraq."

Roy Moore is 100% pro-war. Your choice is GOP @ 99% pro-war and Dems @ 50% pro-war. It only feels like no choice if you are 100% anti-war.

There actually are Congressional Democrats from Texas, but only Lloyd Doggett from Austin is 100% anti-war. You can't get elected in Texas, except in Austin, if you are 100% anti-war because the vast majority of Texans are insanely belligerent toward foreigners.

I remember how crazy for revenge Texans were after 9/11. Who did they want to kill in revenge, knowing that all the 9/11 hijackers were dead? The families of the dead! And anyone who knew the dead hijackers! Many Americans in other states don't have an ethical problem with killing innocent civilians or women and children. Most Americans (but not all) lump all dead foreigners as acceptable "collateral damage".

Those blood-thirsty Americans won't vote for a politician who frequently and plainly declares he won't vote for war. I think those blood-thirsty American voters are why we have too many politicians who approve too large budgets for the Pentagon. The GOP shows no restraint when budgeting for war. The Democrats show moderate restraint, but not too much because they want to get elected. American politics will get better when American voters are better people. If Moore had merely been a candidate who believed Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to serve in Congress, that the laws of the United States of America should be superseded by his interpretation of the Bible, that homosexuality should be illegal, he would have won in a landslide. Even multiple credible reports that Moore serially preyed on teenage girls were barely enough to lose him the election.

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
(Drumpf was the only one who even hinted at "less war".)



How's that working out?

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Weird, but nobody in this entire thread has even touched on what Doug Jones is probably most famous for:

He convicted the Klan members who blew up a church and killed four young black girls.

So while Roy Moore is molesting young girls, Jones convicts people who hurt young girls.

Seems like maybe that's the kind of thing people would notice.



And today, Senate Republicans came out and denounced Roy Moore. That was mighty brave of them, taking such a strong and principled stance against a pedophile the day after he lost his bid to join their ranks. They literally waited until it could make absolutely no difference, and then they came out and denounced the kiddy-diddler.

That's what the GOP calls "leadership."

I suppose that's still marginally better than what the Orange Shitstain did, in expressly endorsing a known pedophile. Birds of a feather, they say...



In good news, Republican Kentucky State Representative Dan Johnson blew his brains out on a bridge today amid credible accusations of him being another GOP child rapist.

Top Tip: Nothing says "I'm innocent of anything!" like spray painting your noggin's insides all over a bridge. Good riddance to that piece of shit. I will say this about him, though: at least he was a fiscal conservative, opting to save the people of Kentucky the cost of a trial, so it looks like he did one thing right in his miserable fucking life, and that was END IT. He's an example of GOP leadership that I wish Roy Moore and Donald Trump and the rest of the baby-fuckers in that party would follow.

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Thursday, December 14, 2017 12:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop and the bad stuff to start coming out about what individual Democrat leaders have done, and are currently doing.

It's naive to believe that this is something that only one "side" is guilty of. The recent outing of a lot of Hollyweird types is evidence enough of that.

Bad people are bad people. Many of them flock to positions of power, and for a very long time they used this power to get away with stuff that they wouldn't have been able to get away with. It's a very good thing that these people are being outed, no matter what side they're on.


I still think that Stuart Smalley was a sacrificial lamb for the Democrats and he got a raw deal.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 14, 2017 6:28 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Top Tip: Nothing says "I'm innocent of anything!" like spray painting your noggin's insides all over a bridge. Good riddance to that piece of shit. I will say this about him, though: at least he was a fiscal conservative, opting to save the people of Kentucky the cost of a trial, so it looks like he did one thing right in his miserable fucking life, and that was END IT. He's an example of GOP leadership that I wish Roy Moore and Donald Trump and the rest of the baby-fuckers in that party would follow.


AND GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE, yeah.

-Frem
I do not serve The Blind God

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Thursday, December 14, 2017 6:37 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Weird, but nobody in this entire thread has even touched on what Doug Jones is probably most famous for:

He convicted the Klan members who blew up a church and killed four young black girls.

So while Roy Moore is molesting young girls, Jones convicts people who hurt young girls.

Seems like maybe that's the kind of thing people would notice.



Facts can sometimes seem inconsequential in this day an age, yanno? I listen to people list facts, indisputable easily verifiable facts, while others do the exact opposite (easily observable lies) and it still seems like the outcome is a dead heat, a coin toss. While many of us are celebrating Alabama and Doug Jones' win "finally!", let's not forget IT WAS CLOSE! And Trump - while his disapproval numbers are at a record low, 30% of the population still give him favorable marks - how the hell?? I know how, it's just inconceivable...

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Thursday, December 14, 2017 8:10 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by G:

it's just inconceivable...

Have you ever been to Texas? It is perfectly conceivable that the majority of Texans (but not all) will vote for Trump in 2020, irregardless of what he does in the next 3 years, because they hate with a passion everything Democratic. For example, the minimum wage and unions are hated:

Fearing 2018 Democratic Wave, Right-Wing Lobbyists Are Mobilizing Against a $15 Minimum Wage Push
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/14/minimum-wage-rick-berman-democrats/

Even before Democrat Doug Jones’s unlikely win in the race for an Alabama Senate seat, Republicans were worried: There could be a wave of Democratic victories ahead, a backlash against President Donald Trump, in next year’s elections. The wave could carry with it a raft of pushes for progressive policies. But the right is girding itself for the fights they see coming up. One such fight could emerge over increasing the minimum wage.

One infamous lobbyist, in particular, is already looking forward to the battle. Rick Berman, a corporate lobbyist who specializes in orchestrating relentless public relation campaigns on behalf of industry groups, is busy mobilizing business groups to go on “offense” with the aim of killing minimum wage hikes even before public support has been marshaled for a push.

Berman recently traveled to Dallas to pitch a $4.6 million campaign to defeat labor reforms that may be championed by a resurgent Democratic Party. . . .

The Legend Of Roy Moore


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Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:40 AM

BRENDA


Just saw a post on Twitter a bit ago. Apparently Moore refuses to believe that he lost the election. I couldn't listen to the video unfortunately but that is just sad.

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Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:47 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Weird, but nobody in this entire thread has even touched on what Doug Jones is probably most famous for:

He convicted the Klan members who blew up a church and killed four young black girls.

So while Roy Moore is molesting young girls, Jones convicts people who hurt young girls.

Seems like maybe that's the kind of thing people would notice.



Facts can sometimes seem inconsequential in this day an age, yanno? I listen to people list facts, indisputable easily verifiable facts, while others do the exact opposite (easily observable lies) and it still seems like the outcome is a dead heat, a coin toss. While many of us are celebrating Alabama and Doug Jones' win "finally!", let's not forget IT WAS CLOSE! And Trump - while his disapproval numbers are at a record low, 30% of the population still give him favorable marks - how the hell?? I know how, it's just inconceivable...

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Only people looking for truth will know the facts. Others just argue tribally. The candidate doesn't matter. The facts don't matter. Only the tribe matters. Typically, the tribal candidate gets their vote.

Yeah Alabama, yeah young people.

T

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Friday, December 15, 2017 12:01 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

This was not loost on me btw.
You're having basic language problems.





HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Friday, December 15, 2017 5:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Just saw a post on Twitter a bit ago. Apparently Moore refuses to believe that he lost the election. I couldn't listen to the video unfortunately but that is just sad.




Yeah, he's refusing to concede.

Because of fucking course the sexual predator won't take NO for an answer.

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Friday, December 15, 2017 5:59 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Yeah Alabama, yeah young people.



Also, yeah black people.

The black vote is what doomed Roy Moore.

Of the votes cast in the special election:

White women voted 63% for Moore; white men, 68%.

Black women voted NINETY-EIGHT PERCENT against Moore, for Doug Jones; black men, NINETY-THREE PERCENT.

Barack Obama would have been happy to get that kind of result in the black community!

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Friday, December 15, 2017 7:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Just saw a post on Twitter a bit ago. Apparently Moore refuses to believe that he lost the election. I couldn't listen to the video unfortunately but that is just sad.




Yeah, he's refusing to concede.

Because of fucking course the sexual predator won't take NO for an answer.



I'm just wondering. Don't want anybody to call me a protector of pedophiles or some other rediculous comments here. Just playing Devil's Advocate....

Was he ever charged or convicted of anything? Or is this just allegations?

I can't be bothered to keep up with current events in Alabama. I'm just wondering if people are going all Frankenstein on the guy when there's a possibility he didn't actually do anything.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 15, 2017 8:34 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

This was not loost on me btw.
You're having basic language problems.



Obviously all forms of humor are loost on you.

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Friday, December 15, 2017 8:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm just wondering. Don't want anybody to call me a protector of pedophiles or some other rediculous comments here. Just playing Devil's Advocate....

Was he ever charged or convicted of anything? Or is this just allegations?

Moore was convicted: "On September 30, 2016, Moore was found guilty of all six charges and suspended for the remainder of his term, slated to end in 2019."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore#Suspension_by_the_Court_of_the
_Judiciary


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, December 15, 2017 9:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I was referring to these quotes by Kwicko:

Quote:

So while Roy Moore is molesting young girls, Jones convicts people who hurt young girls.

Seems like maybe that's the kind of thing people would notice.



And today, Senate Republicans came out and denounced Roy Moore. That was mighty brave of them, taking such a strong and principled stance against a pedophile the day after he lost his bid to join their ranks. They literally waited until it could make absolutely no difference, and then they came out and denounced the kiddy-diddler.



What you linked was him being found guilty of being a homophobic idiot that didn't want to enforce the law of the land.


I didn't see anything there even broaching the subject of diddling kids.



EDIT: Ah... I see the allegations a bit further down. I'm still going to play Devil's Advocate on that one and say that those were just allegations, and if people want the law to be that adults can't date 16 year olds in Alabama, they need to get the laws changed. I can't believe that this would be very hard to do in 2017.

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Friday, December 15, 2017 10:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I was referring to these quotes by Kwicko:

Quote:

So while Roy Moore is molesting young girls, Jones convicts people who hurt young girls.

Seems like maybe that's the kind of thing people would notice.



And today, Senate Republicans came out and denounced Roy Moore. That was mighty brave of them, taking such a strong and principled stance against a pedophile the day after he lost his bid to join their ranks. They literally waited until it could make absolutely no difference, and then they came out and denounced the kiddy-diddler.



What you linked was him being found guilty of being a homophobic idiot that didn't want to enforce the law of the land.


I didn't see anything there even broaching the subject of diddling kids.



EDIT: Ah... I see the allegations a bit further down. I'm still going to play Devil's Advocate on that one and say that those were just allegations, and if people want the law to be that adults can't date 16 year olds in Alabama, they need to get the laws changed. I can't believe that this would be very hard to do in 2017.

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". . . if people want the law to be that adults can't date 16 year olds . . ." 16 is not a magic number. I see that 25 states do not set an age “floor” by statute. For those 25 states, the magic age number is zero, not 16.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States

Roy Moore got in trouble with voters, not the law, because he lied and then he lied some more and than repeated the lies again and again. A few voters, but not more than 2%, were bothered by the Moore's continuous lying. The rest of the voters shrugged it off because for them a lie is not a lie until a jury has voted to convict. Until then a lie is just rumor.

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Friday, December 15, 2017 10:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
". . . if people want the law to be that adults can't date 16 year olds . . ." 16 is not a magic number. I see that 25 states do not set an age “floor” by statute. For those 25 states, the magic age number is zero, not 16.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States

Roy Moore got in trouble with voters, not the law, because he lied and then he lied some more and than repeated the lies again and again. A few voters, but not more than 2%, were bothered by the Moore's continuous lying. The rest of the voters shrugged it off because for them a lie is not a lie until a jury has voted to convict. Until then a lie is just rumor.



That's pretty gross. Somebody should change those laws.

As for the "lies". Well... maybe, maybe not.

Now that he's not in politics anymore, maybe somebody should give him his day in court.

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Friday, December 15, 2017 12:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Just saw a post on Twitter a bit ago. Apparently Moore refuses to believe that he lost the election. I couldn't listen to the video unfortunately but that is just sad.




Yeah, he's refusing to concede.

Because of fucking course the sexual predator won't take NO for an answer.



I know. I'm just glad Alabama laid the slamma down on him.

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Friday, December 15, 2017 12:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
". . . if people want the law to be that adults can't date 16 year olds . . ." 16 is not a magic number. I see that 25 states do not set an age “floor” by statute. For those 25 states, the magic age number is zero, not 16.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States

Roy Moore got in trouble with voters, not the law, because he lied and then he lied some more and than repeated the lies again and again. A few voters, but not more than 2%, were bothered by the Moore's continuous lying. The rest of the voters shrugged it off because for them a lie is not a lie until a jury has voted to convict. Until then a lie is just rumor.



That's pretty gross. Somebody should change those laws.

As for the "lies". Well... maybe, maybe not.

Now that he's not in politics anymore, maybe somebody should give him his day in court.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Those women had nothing material to gain by lying about Roy Moore. But Roy Moore could gain a Senate seat by lying. And he may, yet. He is demanding a recount.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, December 15, 2017 1:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Those women had nothing material to gain by lying about Roy Moore.



Says you. The law, that protects us all, says that you're innocent until proven guilty. Unlike you, I don't pick and choose when I want that to be upheld. You might reconsider that one day if you're ever accused of doing something you were innocent of.

Until he's found guilty, I'll reserve my judgement about that.

Quote:

But Roy Moore could gain a Senate seat by lying.


Sure. If he was lying.

Quote:

And he may, yet. He is demanding a recount.


And if he actually won, he should have the seat.

Somebody should start the ball rolling on the court case either way. Can't imagine why it hasn't already happened, and I find it rather convenient that all of this comes up right before the election.

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Friday, December 15, 2017 10:46 PM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Thing is, it's not close enough to trigger a recount.

One idiot state official said he could get a recount if he paid for it, but that's not how the law works. That applies to *STATE* elected positions, not federal ones.

If you want to follow the law, Jack, he lost, fair and square.

By the way, remind me again what Hillary was convicted of. You seem to have had quite an epiphany on the subject of innocence until proven guilty in the last year or so.

As well, please remind us all what Harvey Weinstein was convicted of. Or Matt Lauer. Or Charlie Rose. Or Tavis Smiley. All of them lost their jobs on mere "allegations," after all.


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Saturday, December 16, 2017 7:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Thing is, it's not close enough to trigger a recount.

One idiot state official said he could get a recount if he paid for it, but that's not how the law works. That applies to *STATE* elected positions, not federal ones.

If you want to follow the law, Jack, he lost, fair and square.

By the way, remind me again what Hillary was convicted of. You seem to have had quite an epiphany on the subject of innocence until proven guilty in the last year or so.

As well, please remind us all what Harvey Weinstein was convicted of. Or Matt Lauer. Or Charlie Rose. Or Tavis Smiley. All of them lost their jobs on mere "allegations," after all.




If it's not close enough for a recount, then he doesn't get a recount. Simple.


I never said anything about Harvey or Lauer or Rose or Smiley. I actually said that it's shitty that Stuart Smalley got shafted by the Democrats like he did.





Hillary was a much different story, and you know that. I'm not even going to get into that one.... again. I will say that I wasn't one of the people chanting LOCK HER UP... or maybe I was. I was a drunk... I don't fuckin' know. But there was enough corruption from her and her camp for years now that only blind partisan voters and those enamored with the idea of the first Female President would have voted for her.

She stole the election from Bernie. He could have been president now.

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Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by G:
Huge Tipping Point.

Trump loses.

Republicans lose.

Bannon loses.

Ignorance loses.

Sexual predators lose.

Alabama wins.

America wins.



Not that big of a tipping point, really. It was a perfect storm for the Dems, and the GOP establishment gets both a win and a loss out of this one.

Quick run down; Mo Brooks was the Ted Cruz of the race. TEA party guy, which the GOP establishment didn't want. They wanted Luther Strange. Good ol boy, McConnell dog washer type. And then there's Roy Moore. Right on a few key issues, really wrong on a lot of others, and then add in the extra bonus of his creeper affinity for young teenage girls. ( TEEN - age, mind you, not pre-pubescent pedophile bait. There's a difference )

So, GOP sinks Mo Brooks campaign w/ massive $ ads AGAINST him, while the establishment talks up Strange ( great name ). This doesn't sit well with most GOP voters, as they don't take too kindly to outside RINOS like McConnell trying to appoint their Senator. So there's a revolt, Moore gets a share of the votes which otherwise would have gone to Brooks, votes split, and Moore wins.

No one wants Moore. The GOP establishment, the TEA party types... even Trump didn't want Moore at first, thinking he could curry favor w/the old guard and backed Strange.

And Bannon ? Anyway he can stick it to the GOP establishment, he's in. So he backs Moore. What better way to drop a stinker into the DC swamp, right ? A big middle finger to McConnell and McCain.

Cheer all you want. Wave a victory flag and claim this is a sea change against Trump. You're fooling yourselves. Senate seat will go back to a Republican in 2 + years, Jones will be a blip on the radar, and things will go back as they have been. Just like we saw in Massachusetts., when Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy's seat. Today ? 2 hard core Lefty Dems are the Senators.

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Even as Moore’s political obituaries were being written, GOP strategists were bracing for the army of Moore-like insurgents they expect to flood next year’s Republican primaries.

Indeed, Breitbart News chief Steve Bannon has already pledged to field challengers for every incumbent Republican senator up for reelection next year (with the exception of Ted Cruz). The GOP worry is that experienced, fully-vetted candidates are going to struggle to beat back a wave of rough-edged Trump imitators.

"What’s the lesson here?” one GOP consultant asked me on the eve of the Alabama election, on condition of anonymity so as to speak with candor. “Don't entrust our nominations to loose cannons? We’ve been fighting this battle since 2010 and no one learns anything from it. Did we not learn that from Christine O’Donnell? Did we not learn that from Sharron Angle?"

Angle waged a strange and reckless campaign in Nevada and ultimately blew a chance to unseat Senator Harry Reid. O’Donnell (who is most famous for her “I am not a witch” campaign ad) got blown out in the general. Then there is Roy Moore.

The dynamics that made it possible for Moore to win the Republican primary in Alabama are unlikely to change by 2018 — and the consequences of the GOP nominating a slate of toxic standard-bearers could reverberate well beyond the midterms.

“You are going to have more fringe candidates continue to run,” said Nick Everhart, a Republican consultant based in Ohio. “And nationally, you’ll inherit their problems as a party.” In any case, he said, the institutional GOP can only do so much to control the quality of its candidates: “You can’t stop those people from filing.” And when any primary field gets too big, the electorate can easily fracture to the point where the noisiest firebrand on the ballot wins.

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/alabama-and-2018/548327/

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Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:30 PM

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I dunno... "Fringe" might not be a bad thing.

No matter how bad our Presidential administrations have been, public opinion polls for Congress has been abysmal pretty much all of my life.

I find it hard to believe that it could get any worse by getting these wrinkly old men in their cushy lifetime jobs out of office.


Maybe I'm wrong. What we've got isn't working though. In many ways, that's just as literal a statement as it is figurative.

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Sunday, December 17, 2017 11:45 AM

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America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I dunno... "Fringe" might not be a bad thing.

No matter how bad our Presidential administrations have been, public opinion polls for Congress has been abysmal pretty much all of my life.

I find it hard to believe that it could get any worse by getting these wrinkly old men in their cushy lifetime jobs out of office.


Maybe I'm wrong. What we've got isn't working though. In many ways, that's just as literal a statement as it is figurative.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Policy wise, Trump has been gangbusters awesome. He doesn't fit the mold of what most think of as President, but hell, compared to the crap we had, and could have had with Hillary ( ignoring all the obvious corruption of the last admin ) I'm on the verge of really liking this guy.

Right now, I appreciate what he's done. And what he's TRIED to get done. I'd like him more if those things became actual accomplishments, but that's at the feet of the dysfunctional GOP clowns who were more than willing to " work with " Hillary .

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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