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Latest Fake News: It Was An "Accidental" Missile That Iran Shot Down PS752 With

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Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


But first they said it was "Engine Failure"

And they have stolen the Flight Data Recorder, and Cockpit Voice Recorder.
And they refuse to return it to the owner (Ukraine) or to the builder (Boeing), who normally decodes and translates/transcribes the data.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trudeau-iran-plane-crash-iran-missile-strike
-203133410.html



If there were Americans on board, Trump is gonna be pissed.

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Thursday, January 9, 2020 7:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I wouldn't trust Boeing to decode anything or investigate anything, given how they buried all of the problems with the 737 Max.

If I were Iran, I wouldn't trust anyone affiliated with the USA either, given how the OPCW falsified it's own report.

I would probably hand it over to a group consisting of Ukraine, China, Russia, and Boeing. Yanno, let them guard each other.


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Thursday, January 9, 2020 7:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I wouldn't trust Boeing to decode anything or investigate anything, given how they buried all of the problems with the 737 Max.

If I were Iran, I wouldn't trust anyone affiliated with the USA either, given how the OPCW falsified it's own report.

I would probably hand it over to a group consisting of Ukraine, China, Russia, and Boeing. Yanno, let them guard each other.

France can handle the black boxes for Iran: France’s BEA safety investigators are searching for clues as to what caused an Ethiopian Airlines plane to hurtle to the ground after take-off, as they begin analyzing two black boxes that arrived in Paris on Thursday from the crashed Boeing 737 MAX.

The BEA has a listening room like a recording studio with audio mixing and playback equipment linked to a screen showing synchronized data, Reuters observed on a recent visit by a group of reporters. Four channels separate voices and ambient noise.

Only the main investigator and a handful of people hear most tapes, which are then sealed. In France, where judges routinely carry out parallel probes, a police officer may be present as well as representatives from foreign investigation agencies.

More at www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airlines-blackbox-explainer/explai
ner-how-to-read-an-aircrafts-black-box-idUSKCN1QV2ST


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, January 9, 2020 8:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


By all means, add France to the mix. That would break the potential "deadlock" situation that you get with even-numbered boards, commissions etc. and would still keep the decision-making body within reasonable numbers (typically 5 to 9. Less, and you can get a biased decision. More, and you tend to get factions.)

I vote for the greatest transparency posssible, which IMHO means investigators from politically-incompatible bodies.

*****

Just remember the poor info-sharing on whether the USA drone shot down by Iran was, or wasn't, in Iranian airspace. I personally believe that those who launched and piloted the drone (USA operators) knew EXACTLY where the drone was at all times. (Unless of course someone fucked with the GPS and gyros and led the drone into wrong airspace.)

*****

Now, this is a GREAT exercise in the kind of evidence that SHOULD be available about this incident. I will repeat the same list from MH-17:

black boxes
debris field
radar tracking (any missiles seen on radar?)
communication with tower
transponder communication
satellite data (if any)
electronic ground (military) communications
shrapnel or munitions holes in plane debris
shrapnel or munitions debris on the ground
trace metal signatures
micro-fractures in plane metal indicating fast (onboard high explosives) or slow bending
explosive chemical traces
CCTV footage, or social media recordings
eyewitness accounts

I'm sure I've forgotten some, but it should be clear that there should be a mountain of evidence available. It's far too early to reach conclusions and far too easy to get mesmerized by one or two items and not take conflicting evidence into account.

Let's not do that again, OK?

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Thursday, January 9, 2020 8:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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The plane Epstiened itself. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 9, 2020 8:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


http://twitter.com/i/status/1215142169775726592 Not very revealing. All it shows it that the plane was burning very close to the ground (as you can see by the moving shadows) and that SOMETHING exploded ... possibly the plane crashing (the bright flash right before debris starts falling).

There are other pictures of the debris, one of the engine housing where there are questions about the holes (but the edges appear bent outwards and there are jagged edges indicating an internal explosion forcing the metal outwards) and a picture of the fuselage right past the cockpit which seems to have a half-dozen holes in it of approximately the same size.

Not sure if anyone knows about how these missiles are supposed to work, but they don't actually HIT the plane, they explode in a plane's path and create a cloud of shrapnel which takes the plane down. The shrapnel (as I learned) has a typical size, shape and composition, it's not just random pieces of metal stuffed into a shell.





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Thursday, January 9, 2020 10:06 PM

JONGSSTRAW


The majority of passengers killed on the plane were Iranians and Canadians (more than 50). So what does that pretty-boy idiot douche of a PM Trudeau say? He gives Iran a pass. He says Iran made a mistake. Canadians ought to be outraged. Oh wait. I forgot. They only know how to kiss terrorists' asses.

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Thursday, January 9, 2020 10:09 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The plane Epstiened itself. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Funny! Speaking of that Epstein plane, now that pictures have been published showing Bill Clinton on the Lolita Express fondling one of Epstein's underage sex slaves, when is that piece of shit pedophile rapist gonna be arrested??

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Thursday, January 9, 2020 10:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The plane Epstiened itself. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Funny! Speaking of that Epstein plane, now that pictures have been published showing Bill Clinton on the Lolita Express fondling one of Epstein's underage sex slaves, when is that piece of shit pedophile rapist gonna be arrested??



:)

More important question is...

When is the Epstein plane going to Epstein itself. Or has it already and Hillary keeps the black box safe and sound under her work boots which will never again be disturbed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 10, 2020 12:46 AM

WISHIMAY

THIS machine kills fascists- Woody Guthrie


Latest news...It was TWO accidental missiles...fired from Mars and ricocheted off Venus, where Hillary just happens to have a second vacation house. It's all her fault.

A little green man started to pop out of the nose cone and someone tried to shoot at it but the cartridge fell out of their gun....so they gave him baloney and tic tacs instead.









Might as well be the headline, for all anyone knows what the hell is going on around here OR there




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Friday, January 10, 2020 10:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


http://twitter.com/i/status/1215527949350424576

Video from a moving car shot while driving towards Tehran.

The plane can be seen burning most of the way down. According to SOME people, if the plane had been hit by a missile it wouldn't have been burning, it would have exploded in midair.

Anyway, I think the video is interesting because it also gives us an uncensored albeit limited view of Iran. It's not what I imagined. And the passenger sounds just like my dentist!

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Friday, January 10, 2020 1:53 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
http://twitter.com/i/status/1215527949350424576

Video from a moving car shot while driving towards Tehran.

The plane can be seen burning most of the way down. According to SOME people, if the plane had been hit by a missile it wouldn't have been burning, it would have exploded in midair.

Anyway, I think the video is interesting because it also gives us an uncensored albeit limited view of Iran. It's not what I imagined. And the passenger sounds just like my dentist!




I wouldn't let an Iranian dentist near my teeth.

Also...

There are 2 videos of the incident as it happened that I've seen so far, and I always wonder when ones like those come out: who the hell is pointing their phone at the empty night sky and filming it and getting lucky enough to catch an event?? I don't think you could react fast enough in the one that shows the final flame out. If you see the first flash and then get your phone out and navigate to video it would be over - it happened too fast.

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Saturday, January 11, 2020 11:44 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:
http://twitter.com/i/status/1215527949350424576

Video from a moving car shot while driving towards Tehran.

The plane can be seen burning most of the way down. According to SOME people, if the plane had been hit by a missile it wouldn't have been burning, it would have exploded in midair.

Anyway, I think the video is interesting because it also gives us an uncensored albeit limited view of Iran. It's not what I imagined. And the passenger sounds just like my dentist!

CC: I wouldn't let an Iranian dentist near my teeth.

Racist. Fascist. Nazi.

You'd be missing a great dentist.

Quote:

Also...

There are 2 videos of the incident as it happened that I've seen so far, and I always wonder when ones like those come out: who the hell is pointing their phone at the empty night sky and filming it and getting lucky enough to catch an event?? I don't think you could react fast enough in the one that shows the final flame out. If you see the first flash and then get your phone out and navigate to video it would be over - it happened too fast.

Out of 8+ million people living in Tehran (yep, it's a big city!) I can imagine one or two who just happen to be videoing the night sky. Maybe someone wanting to video something poetic about the sleeping city? Anyway, from the first flash (of the plane being hit) to the final flash (of impact) was about a minute, and the plane was supposedly burning all the way down so it would have been visible for that long.

I've videoed sky phenomena that last that long: noctilucent clouds, and noctilucent missle trails from various west coast experimental launches, and trying to capture that ever-elusive "green flash" of sunset over the ocean.

*****

In any case, Iran admitted to an accidental shootdown. I can't imagine how that happened ... it was an outbound plane, not an incoming missile. Should have looked entirely different to missile operators. Somebody's ass is grass.

What a tragedy.

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Saturday, January 11, 2020 12:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

2- In early hours after the missile attack [on US’ Ain al-Assad base in Iraq], the military flights of the US’ terrorist forces had increased around the country. The Iranian defence units received news of witnessing flying targets moving towards Iran’s strategic centres, and then several targets were observed in some [Iranian] radars, which incited further sensitivity at the Air Defence units.
Air defenses went on high alert?

Quote:

3- Under such sensitive and critical circumstances, the Ukrainian airline’s Flight PS752 took off from Imam Khomeini Airport, and when turning around, it approached a sensitive military site of the IRGC, taking the shape and altitude of a hostile target.
Apparently the plane began to turn back to the airport, which it why it went from looking like "outbound" to "incoming".
Quote:

In such conditions, due to human error and in an unintentional move, the airplane was hit [by the Air Defence], which caused the martyrdom of a number of our compatriots and the deaths of several foreign nationals.

4- The General Staff of the Armed Forces offers condolences and expresses sympathy with the bereaved families of the Iranian and foreign victims, and apologizes for the human error. It also gives full assurances that it will make major revision in the operational procedures of its armed forces in order to make impossible the recurrence of such errors. It will also immediately hand over the culprits to the Judicial Organization of the Armed Forces for prosecution.



The IRGC Commander responsible says
Quote:

‘I wish I was dead’
He may get his wish
Quote:

Senior IRGC commander accepts responsibility for downing Ukrainian jet, says it was mistaken for missile

...According to an early assessment, the Ukrainian plane was erroneously identified as an incoming cruise missile, which resulted in the tragedy. Air-defense units received a warning that cruise missiles had been fired at the country and stayed on high alert at the time of the incident, Hajizadeh stated.

The commander of the anti-aircraft unit had sought confirmation for the launch from his superiors, but experienced communication problems and had to make the decision –which turned out to be wrong– on his own. The officer only had 10 seconds to make the decision, Hajizadeh added.






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Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:24 AM

WISHIMAY

THIS machine kills fascists- Woody Guthrie


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You'd be missing a great dentist.





I've had three middle eastern docs and today I have zero. They've all been assholes that won't shake your hand or look you in the eye and are rude and about ten years behind on knowledge.

NO. THANKS.

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You'd be missing a great dentist.





I've had three middle eastern docs and today I have zero. They've all been assholes that won't shake your hand or look you in the eye and are rude and about ten years behind on knowledge.

NO. THANKS.



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Sunday, January 12, 2020 8:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM: You'd be missing a great dentist.

WISHY: I've had three middle eastern docs and today I have zero.

Racist!
Fascist!
Nazi!

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 2:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


As I understand it, this was a 737-800 model, part of the 737 NG class, which was Next Generation.


I have heard folk harping on Canadian PM, but I have not been joining those folk.
After the identities were revealed of the Canadians aboard, I saw that they were mostly people from Iran, born there, or their spouses, and a couple on Honeymoon. These are folk who understood they were flying into a country which regularly shoots down aircraft, a country run by crazy insane terrorists, a nation with little or no morals or ethics. And they all chose to ride a plane into/out of that airspace. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Are these folk nominees for the Darwin Awards? Maybe not. But if you stand in the path of a falling redwood, maybe nobody should be surprised you get squashed.


Although waiting for the facts can be admirable, I was beginning to fear Sigs had switched from Russian PR to Iranian/Iraqi PR Agent.

The world knew that the 737 had gotten missile target locked before the missiles had been launched, and just because the always lying Iranians had denied they were yet again the perpetrator of crimes does not mean they are any more believable this time.

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 2:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
As I understand it, this was a 737-800 model, part of the 737 NG class, which was Next Generation.


I have heard folk harping on Canadian PM, but I have not been joining those folk.
After the identities were revealed of the Canadians aboard, I saw that they were mostly people from Iran, born there, or their spouses, and a couple on Honeymoon. These are folk who understood they were flying into a country which regularly shoots down aircraft, a country run by crazy insane terrorists, a nation with little or no morals or ethics. And they all chose to ride a plane into/out of that airspace. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Are these folk nominees for the Darwin Awards? Maybe not. But if you stand in the path of a falling redwood, maybe nobody should be surprised you get squashed.


Although waiting for the facts can be admirable, I was beginning to fear Sigs had switched from Russian PR to Iranian/Iraqi PR Agent.

The world knew that the 737 had gotten missile target locked before the missiles had been launched, and just because the always lying Iranians had denied they were yet again the perpetrator of crimes does not mean they are any more believable this time.



Trudeau spoke to the President of Iran got Iran to admit that they fired those missiles and took out that plane. Our investigators are there.

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Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I heard just this morning the Fake News MSM finally caught on to what the rest of the world knew within a day.

They revealed that the Iranian passengers were martyred by TWO missiles istead of the one missile they have been insisting upon for the past few days, ever since their masters in Iran admitted to the one missile. Now apparently their masters in Iran have admitted that they lied yet again, and there were actually 2 missiles that they now admit to.


In unrelated news, Iran has reported that they are arresting the people responsible for this atrocity. Apparently the first person they arrested was the person who took the video of the missiles impacting, and they posted it on social media for the world to see.

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