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Buffy: the events that stay powerful, and the ones who's impact has faded...

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:43 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by charliethebloody:
so "mentality of spike" would actually be closer to chris's chickifiedness, wouldn't it?

You're so sweet, Charlie

isall

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:46 AM

CHARLIETHEBLOODY


re: bangel angst, I totally agree, there are few bits I still find affecting, but whereas her killing him seemed like the most heart-rending thing ever at the time now it doesn't have the impact at all...

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:53 AM

CHARLIETHEBLOODY


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by charliethebloody:
so "mentality of spike" would actually be closer to chris's chickifiedness, wouldn't it?

You're so sweet, Charlie

isall



nah, you're sweet



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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:53 AM

REGINAROADIE


Hear Hear

Everyone talks about how in season 2 when Buffy and Angel have sex which turns Angel into Angelus, that that moment is when the show became THE SHOW. And that and her running a sword through him to keep Hell on Earth from opening up at the end of the season were the most powerful moments of the series and that an entire generation cried and all that and said Shakespeare ripped off Whedon or some crap like that.

Personally, that was one moment that didn't do a damn thing for me. Maybe it's because I never really bought the Buffy/Angel relationship. It seemed more of a plot contrivance than a genuine attraction, which never really had much chemistry, I found. Plus, when she saw Angel acting the complete opposite of his regular self, a huge red flag should have gone up in her head instead of just crying about it. Maybe I'm saying this because I'm not a teenage girl, but from a storyteller's POV, this just seems lazy and cheap.

Also, I found Angel in the first three seasons of Buffy to be a pretty bland character with not much of a personality. It was when he left and got his own show that Angel, to me anyways, actually became interesting. So him turning into Angelus in season 2 didn't have that much power to me because I didn't care about him to begin with. When Angelus returned in season 4 of ANGEL, THEN I actually sat up and considered him a true threat.

So I second you Clementine. With the exception of "I Will Remember You" in ANGEL, Buffy/Angel means absolutely nothing.

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:53 AM

CLEMENTINE


Quote:

Originally posted by charliethebloody:
re: bangel angst, I totally agree, there are few bits I still find affecting, but whereas her killing him seemed like the most heart-rending thing ever at the time now it doesn't have the impact at all...



In that scene as Angelus beats Buffy down, he gives the whole, "You've lost everything" speech. What I still find moving is the
A: "What have you got left?"
Buffy catches the sword blade in her bare hands.
B: "Me."
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Why does he make such strong female characters?

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:01 AM

CLEMENTINE


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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
So I second you Clementine. With the exception of "I Will Remember You" in ANGEL, Buffy/Angel means absolutely nothing.



Wow, if I'd said anything close to this on Whedonesque, I'd be a charred cinder by now. And sternly warned by the moderator about 'shipping issues.

Are Firefly fans only Spuffies or are the Bangels just ignoring us?

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:01 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by charliethebloody:




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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:04 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Clementine:


Are Firefly fans only Spuffies or are the Bangels just ignoring us?

I love that in the end, Buffy truly loves both Spike and Angel, and that it goes beyond the simplistic 'boyfriend' thing.


Buffinn Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:07 AM

CLEMENTINE


Yeah, there wasn't any Captain Cardboard chained up on that page in Season #8.

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:14 AM

CHARLIETHEBLOODY


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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Hear Hear

Everyone talks about how in season 2 when Buffy and Angel have sex which turns Angel into Angelus, that that moment is when the show became THE SHOW.



but it is...

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And that and her running a sword through him to keep Hell on Earth from opening up at the end of the season were the most powerful moments of the series and that an entire generation cried and all that and said Shakespeare ripped off Whedon or some crap like that.



but that was true at the time, it was the most powerful up to that point, it just pales next to what came after...


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Plus, when she saw Angel acting the complete opposite of his regular self, a huge red flag should have gone up in her head instead of just crying about it. Maybe I'm saying this because I'm not a teenage girl, but from a storyteller's POV, this just seems lazy and cheap.


hmm, maybe, but I actually was a teenage girl at the time and I can see why she'd just be confused and a bit slow to catch on... I don't think it was lazy...


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Also, I found Angel in the first three seasons of Buffy to be a pretty bland character with not much of a personality. It was when he left and got his own show that Angel, to me anyways, actually became interesting.



I agree with this though



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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:19 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Clementine:
Yeah, there wasn't any Captain Cardboard chained up on that page in Season #8.

You toasty little punk- you've entered the oven now! Watch me go all Johnny Storm on your a*s as I FLAME ON!!!!!
HE LOVED BUFFY, AND AS A MAN, NOT A VAMPIRE, HE WAS WARM AND ALIVE AND CARING AND TENDER AND....

...and Rebound Guy...
so I guess I can't get too worked up over you comment, in reality...

Never mind Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:23 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by charliethebloody:
I actually was a teenage girl at the time

AHA! You admit it!
(Just don't tell AURaptor...he's start with the chickification)

Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:35 AM

CHARLIETHEBLOODY


metaphorically, of course

*stroking my full and manly beard*

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:05 AM

CLEMENTINE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
You toasty little punk- you've entered the oven now! Watch me go all Johnny Storm on your a*s as I FLAME ON!!!!!



Noooo, Chrisisall, I feel the heat...though obviously not from Riley milquetoast.

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:27 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Clementine:
Riley milquetoast.

I have long ago made peace with the fact that not all favour Riley as I do...

Related subject: The impact of Riley's leaving has also faded for me; I cried for Buffy the first time, but now his leaving seems contrived, on more than one level. I still feel bad for the Buffster, but it reeks of 'Time for Rebound Guy to go' syndrome.

No Rebound Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:47 AM

CLEMENTINE


When they were moving Buffy back out of the dorm (Anya: Didn't we just move her in? Yay, lifting heavy things!) and it's just Riley and Xander, Riley says that he loves Buffy utterly but he knows that she doesn't love him the same way...

No fade, I still really feel for the guy. Poor pathetic weenie.

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:54 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Clementine:


No fade, I still really feel for the guy. Poor pathetic weenie.



*Snif*isall

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by charliethebloody:
so "mentality of spike" would actually be closer to chris's chickifiedness, wouldn't it?

it's good to know you appreciate that in a man though




See, now ya got ia all backwards. I was having a go at Chrisisall for goin' all Nancy on the Spike/Buffy couplin' NOT because of Spike, but because of what Buffy was going through. I then said the whole affair was simply Buffy needin' to get her itch scratched, which I felt was a very Spike way of puttin' things. ( One could also argue that's something Faith would say, but because I said Spike first, that's how it is )

Chrisisall was all a flutter over Buffy's feelings, ya see ? It wasn't so much about Spike, but the tragic situation Buffy found herself in. Get it ?

Chocolates and tissues for Chrisisall Raptor

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:46 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by charliethebloody:
I actually was a teenage girl at the time

AHA! You admit it!
(Just don't tell AURaptor...he's start with the chickification)

Chrisisall



Amazed not in the least that y'all 2 are seeing things eye to eye.



People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:48 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Chocolates and tissues for Chrisisall Raptor


So, specifically, what turned on the waterworks foy you, AU? What made you go all sissy-boy? Huh? Fess up!

Diggin' Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Chocolates and tissues for Chrisisall Raptor


So, specifically, what turned on the waterworks foy you, AU? What made you go all sissy-boy? Huh? Fess up!

Diggin' Chrisisall



I'm an emotional drunk

*sniff* chug

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:26 AM

CHARLIETHEBLOODY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I then said the whole affair was simply Buffy needin' to get her itch scratched, which I felt was a very Spike way of puttin' things. ( One could also argue that's something Faith would say, but because I said Spike first, that's how it is )



not backwards, I was just saying you were wrong about spike seeing it that way, because he didn't

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Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:28 AM

CHARLIETHEBLOODY


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Amazed not in the least that y'all 2 are seeing things eye to eye.







well yes, we are both very intelligent and insightful...

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Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by charliethebloody:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I then said the whole affair was simply Buffy needin' to get her itch scratched, which I felt was a very Spike way of puttin' things. ( One could also argue that's something Faith would say, but because I said Spike first, that's how it is )



not backwards, I was just saying you were wrong about spike seeing it that way, because he didn't




There's splittin hairs, and then there's this. My god. I suggest you go back and re-read the thread before you make another false conclusion.

Quote:

Originally posted by charliethebloody:
I actually was a teenage girl at the time



And Chrisisall still has the mental make up of a teenage girl, so you 2 have THAT in common.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:56 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

And Chrisisall still has the mental make up of a teenage girl, so you 2 have THAT in common.


This, from an emotional drunk...

Bloody Chrisisall, mate.

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Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

And Chrisisall still has the mental make up of a teenage girl, so you 2 have THAT in common.


This, from an emotional drunk...

Bloody Chrisisall, mate.



When I wake up in the morning, I'll have recovered from the previous nights embibing. You , however, will still be a Nancy-boy.

ChurchillianRaptor

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:59 AM

CHARLIETHEBLOODY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
There's splittin hairs, and then there's this. My god. I suggest you go back and re-read the thread before you make another false conclusion.



ooh, bit hungovered are we? I suggest you go back and watch the series before you come to another false conclusion lol...

hey chris, we still on for the hair braiding session later? I have to tell you about this totally dreamy guy I met


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And Chrisisall still has the mental make up of a teenage girl, so you 2 have THAT in common.



that's not such a bad thing, we all know teenage girls mature way before teenage boys so I reckon we've got you pipped...

notexactlysweet16anymorethoughisall

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Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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I suggest you go back and watch the series before you come to another false conclusion lol...



That's the nicest thing you've said to me....



People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:48 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'll have recovered from the previous nights embibing.

Apparently not.

EMbibing Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:50 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by charliethebloody:

hey chris, we still on for the hair braiding session later? I have to tell you about this totally dreamy guy I met

Does he look like James? Big brown eyes? I just love brown eyes...

Let me rest in peace Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'll have recovered from the previous nights embibing.

Apparently not.

EMbibing Chrisisall



Where's that poison coffee ?

Winston to your LadyAstorisall.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, August 10, 2007 4:12 PM

WYTCHCROFT


my oar in:

Impacty: Tara's death
Willow's get a grip speech to buffy in 5
Giles entrance in Grave
Restless
Fool for Love
Jenny's death

Expacty: Season 3 climax

never pacted: Season 4 adam climax

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