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Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:28 AM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


JMS has posted that the project, TMoS did not come together. In the end, it wasn't a WB project at all, and the production company that optioned the rights could not get everything in place in time - the option ran out December 2004 and JMS extended it from there on gratis to give them another shot.

One interesting and cool point to come from this news - JMS owns the movie rights to B5, so they cannot do it if he isn't happy with it, and as he says, somewhere down the line someone will want to make this movie - the DVD box sets have grossed upwards of half a billion (yes, billion) dollars, excluding Season 5 to date.

"I threw up on your bed"

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Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:46 AM

CORNCOBB


I have bought (and thoroughly enjoyed) all the B5 boxsets. Gotta say though, I wasn't all that excited about TMoS. There are three movies JMS needs to make,IMHO. One about the telepath war, Lyta's fate, and Garibaldi's revenge on Bester; one about the curing of the Drahk plague, the secret of the technomages and the fate of the Excalibur's crew; and one about David's encounter with the Keeper Londo gave him, how Sheridan and Delenn became prisoners on Centauri Prime, and the final fight against the Drahk.

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

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Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:28 AM

TOMANTA


Most of those are covered in the three book trilogies :-).

One trilogy covers Besters life, and the third book includes the final showdown between Bester and Garibaldi.

Another trilogy covers what happens to Londo after the end of the series, the third book of which covers those final days (and what happens to the Keeper/David, Sheridan/Delenn, and the Drakh).

The last trilogy is devoted to technomages, Galen in particular, and reveals all their dirty little secrets.

Not much about the telepath war or the Excalibur crew/the plague in there, but it's still a lot of stuff.

[I think TMoS would have covered the Drakh Plague somewhat].

"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."

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Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:07 PM

DELERIAD


I believe the plot line of TMoS was about the secret of the technomages and this would have been grounded in the events of the Drakh plague. Supposedly, the Drakh plague was just the hook for Crusade and would have been cured in the second season. However, the Excalibur crew were supposed to discover in the process a nasty shadow conspiracy at the centre of Earth Gov that would have had them fleeing for their lives and that's when the story would really have kicked into gear. Each of the main characters had a shadow in their past (e.g. Psi Corps for Matheson, the box for Gideon, the Tech for Galen) and I think that was to be the actual arc.

Such a shame that it didn't come to pass.

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Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:43 PM

EVILMIKE


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Most of those are covered in the three book trilogies :-).


This was my problem with season 5. It felt like JMS didn't want to deal with these topics because he had the stories earmarked for "other projects".

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Friday, March 25, 2005 12:07 PM

CORNCOBB


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Originally posted by Tomanta:
Most of those are covered in the three book trilogies :-).



Thanks, I'll check those out.

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Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:07 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


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Originally posted by evilmike:
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Most of those are covered in the three book trilogies :-).


This was my problem with season 5. It felt like JMS didn't want to deal with these topics because he had the stories earmarked for "other projects".



Not quite so - Season 5 was, in part, condensed into the end of season 4 (IIRC, the last six of season four would have been the first six of five), and the telepath arc (which many disliked with a Jar-Jar level of intensity) would have been more spread out.

Watch the last six or so episodes of 5 though, where the series wraps up pretty much as JMS intended, and see some of the best stuff on the show (Fall of Centauri Prime in particular).

The story of B5 was always those 5 years, so anything before or after was always, at best, earmarked for side projects.

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Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:53 PM

EVILMIKE


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The story of B5 was always those 5 years, so anything before or after was always, at best, earmarked for side projects.


Based on that, I think the series would have been better served if the story plans for season 5 were re-evaluated based on the extra room they had.

At the very least, they should have let Garibaldi get his revenge.

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Monday, March 28, 2005 11:42 AM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


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Originally posted by evilmike:
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Based on that, I think the series would have been better served if the story plans for season 5 were re-evaluated based on the extra room they had.
At the very least, they should have let Garibaldi get his revenge.



Why? Garibaldi getting his revenge would have been the old Mike - besides, he ended up in a position whereby he could watch over Bester and tweak at him if he ever tried anything, without sinking to violence. The arc that Garibaldi travelled to me is the one that least changed through the telling.

Putting one of the big "events" in season 5 as padding wouldn't have served it either, because then we'd have had something like the telepath war rushed onto the scene and off within a few episodes.

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Monday, March 28, 2005 12:22 PM

EVILMIKE


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Why? Garibaldi getting his revenge would have been the old Mike - besides, he ended up in a position whereby he could watch over Bester and tweak at him if he ever tried anything, without sinking to violence. The arc that Garibaldi travelled to me is the one that least changed through the telling.


The arc was incomplete without the final resolution between Bester and Garibaldi. Considering this confrontation is central to one of the books, I don't think I'm alone in thinking this way.


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Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:44 AM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


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Originally posted by evilmike:
The arc was incomplete without the final resolution between Bester and Garibaldi. Considering this confrontation is central to one of the books, I don't think I'm alone in thinking this way.



You misunderstand - that story was outside the 5 year arc, and JMS wasn't going to shove in a cosy resolution to every tale so that the B5 universe was 5 years of events and then vacuum outside of that.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:27 PM

EVILMIKE


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You misunderstand - that story was outside the 5 year arc, and JMS wasn't going to shove in a cosy resolution to every tale so that the B5 universe was 5 years of events and then vacuum outside of that.


I don't see how there is a misunderstanding. JMS didn't have to limit the 5th season to covering one year. (And, as a point of fact, he didn't since the finale was 20 years later.) And he didn't have to resolve everything within the last season (nor did I ever say he did.) But he should have given us more in Season 5 to make it seem something other than the afterthought that it ended up being. The resolution to the Garibaldi-Bester story is probably the most obvious thing that could have been included.

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Saturday, April 2, 2005 12:02 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


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Originally posted by evilmike:
I don't see how there is a misunderstanding. JMS didn't have to limit the 5th season to covering one year. (And, as a point of fact, he didn't since the finale was 20 years later.) And he didn't have to resolve everything within the last season (nor did I ever say he did.) But he should have given us more in Season 5 to make it seem something other than the afterthought that it ended up being. The resolution to the Garibaldi-Bester story is probably the most obvious thing that could have been included.



Point of fact - It was the Earth year 2258/59/60/61/62... 5 years of TV, 5 years of B5 history - yes Deconstruction and Sleeping in Light went beyond that, and other episodes flashbacked and forwards, but it was a year of TV to a year of story.

Season 5 dealt with the aftermath of all that had gone before, as it was always intended to.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:43 AM

COMPANIONKATE


By the way, has anyone else noticed that the DVD version of "The Fall of Centauri Prime" is missing the tag?

The VHS video contains the tag, which includes the scene where Londo gets G'Kar out of jail. The DVD omits the whole tag (and hence this scene) and therefore loses continuity. It's a real bummer - now, in order to watch B5 in order, I have to watch the tag on video, and the rest of the episode on DVD. (I could watch the whole thing on video, but then I'd lose widescreen).

What's going on with this?

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:35 PM

FAHQ


The resolution between Bester and Garibaldi was covered in the last book of the "Psi-Core Trilogy"

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:40 PM

FAHQ


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Originally posted by evilmike:
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Most of those are covered in the three book trilogies :-).


This was my problem with season 5. It felt like JMS didn't want to deal with these topics because he had the stories earmarked for "other projects".



Its not that at all. Look up the JMS Archives and you will see in his Usenet posts that originally the shadow war and liberation of Earth was to have stretched into season 5. Both arcs were wrapped up by the end of season 4 because at the time it was still unknown regarding a 5th season and JMS wanted some closure. They also filmed
"Sleeping in Light" at the end of season 4 just in case renewal didnt happen.

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:30 AM

EVILMIKE


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Originally posted by FahQ:
Its not that at all. Look up the JMS Archives and you will see in his Usenet posts that originally the shadow war and liberation of Earth was to have stretched into season 5. Both arcs were wrapped up by the end of season 4 because at the time it was still unknown regarding a 5th season and JMS wanted some closure. They also filmed
"Sleeping in Light" at the end of season 4 just in case renewal didnt happen.



I am already familiar with the whole season 4/season 5 thing. I am simply stating that I think JMS did not use season 5 as effectively as he could have one he found out that he was actually going to get a season 5.


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Saturday, April 9, 2005 3:26 PM

MONTANAGIRL


This is just an aside, but I saw this today at JMSnews. http://www.jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-17317 JMS is going to be auctioning some of his B5 stuff on Ebay.

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I'm still holding on to about 75% of the stuff, but the other 25% has
got to go.

So starting sometime probably next week, the week of the 11th, and from
time to time over the next month or so, keep an eye on Ebay. (I'm
playing with the idea of doing this chronologically, from the earliest
stuff to the latter stuff, but I don't know if I'm disciplined enough
for that.) I likely won't put this stuff up every day, only when and
as I think of it. So you may have days pass with nothing, then a day
when four or five items go up. The Ebay user ID is babylon5auctions.
Once I've cleared out enough room to actually see the floor again, the
auctions will stop and that user ID will go away.

Let the games begin.



Also, there are auctions of B5 (and other material) by a close friend of the Biggs family with the proceeds going towards his family. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZcarend6a6mQQssPageNa
meZSTRKQ3aMEWAQ3aMESOI


Just thought I'd pass it along.


If you can be an idiot, I can be an idiot. - D'Argo

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