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Alien Vs. Predator Is Rated PG-13

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Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:36 PM

FILMCRITIC3000


Well, I had no plan to watch Paul "I'm A Hack" W.S. Anderson butcher two franchises with his paper-thin characterizations. Now comes the word (via me just seeing a TV spot on surprise! FOX) that it's going to be rated PG-13. Way to betray two film series's roots. While not the greatest movie in the world, New Line Cinema at least got Freddy Vs. Jason right, with a hard R rating and plenty of what genre fans want: gore. Another demerit in the long line of catering to the almighty dollar. I have connections that would allow me to see this "thing" for free at the theater but in all honesty, (especially now with the PG-13 rating), I can't find a compelling reason to waste my valuable time. Your thoughts?

FilmCritic3000


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Saturday, July 24, 2004 5:17 PM

RAWDEAL


WHAT PG-13. Those holes must be kidding. What can we see that's even remotely cool with a rating like that.

C'mon people, two badass aliens are going battle it out using snowballs? Give me a break. I was even looking forward for AVP, but now....

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:21 AM

DESANGRO


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Originally posted by RawDeal:
WHAT PG-13. Those holes must be kidding. What can we see that's even remotely cool with a rating like that.

C'mon people, two badass aliens are going battle it out using snowballs? Give me a break. I was even looking forward for AVP, but now....



Well, for one thing I doubt that our good Serenity will be R-rated. Having an R rating does tend to cut down on the availible audience for a movie.

I don't really mind that AvP is going to be rated only a 'mere' PG-13. I've been looking forward to the film for a long time, now, and it looks very entertaining. And just to letyou know, RawDeal, there are a lot of great films that are rated 'only' PG or PG-13. Galaxy Quest, the Star Wars and Star Trek films, the two Spiderman films, and are all rated PG or PG-13.

Come to think of it, I think that the Alien films got worse in quality even as they got more violent. The first film, while it has its flaws, is the least violent of the bunch-- it relies on its characters and fear of the unknown to shock its viewers. The chest-buster sequence is violent, true, but it is shown--flashed, rather-- across the screen very quickly, and Ridley focuses more on the horrified crewmembers and then the monster rather than the blood and gore. Aliens relies on the frenzied cameras of the Marines to create a sense of disorientation for the audience.

The Alien movies don't really scare me-- I know that the aliens are make-believe. They're more of an adventure/action fest, with the continuing tragic story of Ripley and her struggle against the Aliens and the Company. (One of the worst things about Alien:Resurrection was that it cut the Company storyline out completely. It was as bad as if the River/Blue Sun storyline was cut out of Serenity )

That said, personally, I'm looking forward to AvP. But you knew that already.

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:36 AM

EST120


Quote:

Originally posted by FilmCritic3000:
Well, I had no plan to watch Paul "I'm A Hack" W.S. Anderson butcher two franchises with his paper-thin characterizations. Now comes the word (via me just seeing a TV spot on surprise! FOX) that it's going to be rated PG-13. Way to betray two film series's roots. While not the greatest movie in the world, New Line Cinema at least got Freddy Vs. Jason right, with a hard R rating and plenty of what genre fans want: gore. Another demerit in the long line of catering to the almighty dollar. I have connections that would allow me to see this "thing" for free at the theater but in all honesty, (especially now with the PG-13 rating), I can't find a compelling reason to waste my valuable time. Your thoughts?

FilmCritic3000




obviously, it is entirely a profit move. even with the rating system in place, many people under 18 have seen the aliens movies and will want to see this one too.


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Sunday, July 25, 2004 5:23 AM

VARIATION23


(One of the worst things about Alien:Resurrection was that it cut the Company storyline out completely. It was as bad as if the River/Blue Sun storyline was cut out of Serenity )

'Course Joss wrote that one and, seems to me, developed some of the ideas that Firefly was based on. There's probably a whole thread on this somewhere in here but I just thought I'd mention it.

Figure I'll watch AVP too. At some point anyway.

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 5:47 AM

MRSKBORG


Thats a pain, I've been watching the previews as they were getting released and was almost hopefull, but with that kinda rating I'll not be botherin'. Figures anyway stuff the fans make the money. Well, they won't be getting my money.

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:59 AM

DESANGRO


Quote:

Originally posted by Variation23:

'Course Joss wrote that one and, seems to me, developed some of the ideas that Firefly was based on. There's probably a whole thread on this somewhere in here but I just thought I'd mention it.

Figure I'll watch AVP too. At some point anyway.



I liked some things about Alien:Resurrection (Cole, the mercs, General Perez, the funny dialogue), but what I disliked, I disliked with a passion (no Weyland-Yutani, Michael Wincott's character getting killed off in such a incredibly stupid manner, the ending of the starship crashing into Earth, which would have probably killed everyone on the planet).

Frankly, though, I don't see why everyone is so disappointed as to AvP's rating, and so quick to judge it as a namby-pamby film because of it. Like I said, a film doesn't have to have tons of gore and blood splashed about to be exciting and suspenseful. I'm not going to call it a cop-out or a bad film until I go see it in the theatres and say at the end, "Boy, that was a bad film, PG-13 OR R rating."

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:59 AM

FILMCRITIC3000


Quote:

Originally posted by DeSangro:
Quote:

Originally posted by Variation23:

'Course Joss wrote that one and, seems to me, developed some of the ideas that Firefly was based on. There's probably a whole thread on this somewhere in here but I just thought I'd mention it.

Figure I'll watch AVP too. At some point anyway.



I liked some things about Alien:Resurrection (Cole, the mercs, General Perez, the funny dialogue), but what I disliked, I disliked with a passion (no Weyland-Yutani, Michael Wincott's character getting killed off in such a incredibly stupid manner, the ending of the starship crashing into Earth, which would have probably killed everyone on the planet).

Frankly, though, I don't see why everyone is so disappointed as to AvP's rating, and so quick to judge it as a namby-pamby film because of it. Like I said, a film doesn't have to have tons of gore and blood splashed about to be exciting and suspenseful. I'm not going to call it a cop-out or a bad film until I go see it in the theatres and say at the end, "Boy, that was a bad film, PG-13 OR R rating."



Paul W.S. Anderson wrote and directed it. Deep characters and well-written dialogue blended with suspense and action is not something this hack is known for. That is the *main* reason, coupled with the PG-13 rating, why I'm staying away.

FilmCritic3000

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:20 AM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


Quote:

Originally posted by Variation23:
'Course Joss wrote that one and, seems to me, developed some of the ideas that Firefly was based on. There's probably a whole thread on this somewhere in here but I just thought I'd mention it.



Not sure if Joss' script got anywhere near the screen - at least in a form that he recognised.

This is off course the same P T Anderson that made Resident Evil PG-13. If you are making that movie - you need to do the gore. I'm not a huge horror fan, nor a huge Alien fan truth be told, but if you're going to do it, do it properly.

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:28 AM

STATIC


We must also remember that PG-13 and the rest of the ratings system is hardly worth a CRAP anymore.

TV and movies get away with putting almost ANYTHING on screen these days. I wouldn't expect a movie to be light on ANYTHING just because it's a PG-13 rating.

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 12:00 PM

JUTIN


Quote:

Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
Not sure if Joss' script got anywhere near the screen - at least in a form that he recognised.

This is off course the same P T Anderson that made Resident Evil PG-13. If you are making that movie - you need to do the gore.



First off, finally someone pointed out that Joss's Alien: Resurrection script was so butchered that he even took a shot at it in season 2 of Angel.

Secondly, P T Anderson made Boogie Nights - Paul W S Anderson made Resident Evil which was rated R and it was even censored from it's original NC-17 version.

Thirdly, there will most likely be an R-rated director's cut of "Alien VS Predator" since Paul W S Anderson has already promised an NC-17 director's cut of "Resident Evil"

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 12:05 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


Quote:

Originally posted by JuTin:
Secondly, P T Anderson made Boogie Nights - Paul W S Anderson made Resident Evil which was rated R and it was even censored from it's original NC-17 version.



maximo mea culpa - keep getting those initials mixed up (and therefore insulting the guy with talent).

Resident Evil was a 15 over here, may even have been 12A.

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:09 PM

DESANGRO


Quote:

Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:

Not sure if Joss' script got anywhere near the screen - at least in a form that he recognised.

This is off course the same P T Anderson that made Resident Evil PG-13. If you are making that movie - you need to do the gore. I'm not a huge horror fan, nor a huge Alien fan truth be told, but if you're going to do it, do it properly.

"I threw up on your bed"



I have to disagree with you about the gore. I don't think that a horror or fright flick needs to have a ton of gore to be exciting or frightening. I have not seen any of the Halloween films, but from what I hear, the first one was the best-- extremely chilling, but with minimal blood 'n' guts. Likewise with the first two Alien film-- not all that gory by today's standards, but on average, they're the ones that people (including myself) enjoyed the most.

Horror can go either way, in my opinion-- you can go for flat-out, stomach-churning blood and guts and everything you can throw at the screen, or you can go the more subtle route and suggest things. . . hint at the true horror that lurks in the night. Some of the best frightening stuff is pyschological-- the evil that lies in the human heart. After all, isn't it more frightening in "Bushwacked" that we don't see the survivor cut and pierce his own flesh? Isn't it more suspenseful because of the intercutting between the Alliance captain and Mal discussing the man, and then back to the survivor himself going insane and wreaking havoc?

I don't mind that AvP got a PG-13 rating-- I'll still be seeing it in the theatre. And yes, if I like it, I'll buy the inevitable Super Special Ultra Ultimate Limited R-Rated Edition on DVD, too.

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Monday, July 26, 2004 11:31 AM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


Quote:

Originally posted by DeSangro:
I have to disagree with you about the gore. I don't think that a horror or fright flick needs to have a ton of gore to be exciting or frightening. I have not seen any of the Halloween films, but from what I hear, the first one was the best-- extremely chilling, but with minimal blood 'n' guts. Likewise with the first two Alien film-- not all that gory by today's standards, but on average, they're the ones that people (including myself) enjoyed the most.



I agree - Ringu is terrifying but not a moment of gore in it; but if you are doing a slasher flick or a zombie flick, certain rules must be obeyed - and whilst Alien may not be gory by today's standards, it was pretty damn gory - the dinner scene for example!


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