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Game of Thrones - Season 2

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Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:34 AM

AURAPTOR

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Having not read the books, I'm both addicted and a tad lost w/ this series.

All the houses and different characters...reminds me a bit of DUNE. ( Another series of books I never read )

Anyways... gotta do me some catch up now. A few eps behind already.

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Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:11 AM

WHOZIT


I've never seen this show but it's been getting great buzz.

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Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
I've never seen this show but it's been getting great buzz.



It's on HBO, which I normally would just avoid all together, but because of this, and TrueBlood, I figured 6 months is worth it. The books are apparently some 20 years old, as if that really matters. The mythical realm in which the story is set is essentially early renaissance era , w/ some magic and dragons thrown in to the mix.

So manny gorram brothers,sisters, uncles and cousins through out the story, it's a bit hard to follow.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:56 PM

LWAVES


I absolutely love the show and it is fast becoming my favourite that is currently in production or between seasons. I've never read the books (and probably never will) but I too find it is sometimes difficult to know know who is who. I'm okay at connecting that one character is related to another character in some way but what their name is and what that relationship is can be hard to follow. But that's the price you pay for having so many characters. It's better that way as it makes you watch, not that that's a problem.


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Monday, April 23, 2012 6:33 AM

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The intro to each show still fascinates me too. I like how, when introducing a new 'realm' or what ever, a different city appears. Is there an idiots guide to GoT ? I've peeked at the 'official' pages, but only briefly, and it seems a tad overwhelming, to a newb like myself.

For all the 'civility' of the kingdoms, there sure is a lot of violence and back stabbing that goes on, and with very little repercussion or legal reprisals. The 'because I said so' rule of law seems to be every much as common in the cities as it is in the wild.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Monday, April 23, 2012 6:48 AM

MUTT999



Just finished the first episode of season one, it's really spectacular! Jane Espenson is on the teleplay team for episode six, season one, A Golden Throne.



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Monday, April 23, 2012 8:02 AM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The intro to each show still fascinates me too. I like how, when introducing a new 'realm' or what ever, a different city appears. Is there an idiots guide to GoT ? I've peeked at the 'official' pages, but only briefly, and it seems a tad overwhelming, to a newb like myself.

For all the 'civility' of the kingdoms, there sure is a lot of violence and back stabbing that goes on, and with very little repercussion or legal reprisals. The 'because I said so' rule of law seems to be every much as common in the cities as it is in the wild.



Watch the series on HBO GO if your provider offers it. http://www.hbogo.com/#home/
I have read the books, so I know what’s going on but would be lost as well if I hadn't. HBOGO.com has interactive mode. This mode pulls up tidbits of info to follow along as the show plays on your computer, ipad, etc. It's pretty damn cool. Anything from maps of where something is mentioned, interviews with cast/GRRM/producers, or to flashbacks to season one when something is referenced. (Ex. Cersei scoffs at the idea of Grumpkins and Snarks to Tyrion about the requisition for the wall, a flashback pops up from season one where Tyrion scoffs at John Snow about the same thing before he actually visits) Even just visiting the Interactive MAP on hbo.com sheds some light. http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season2/#!/map/

That Intro is one of two emmys GoT won for Season one. Very neat isn't it? Tyrion (Peter D.) winning the other.

Last I heard, Game of Thrones has already been greenlit for Season 3. So far, book 1 and 2 have filled seasons 1 and 2. In which, filler/expansions stories (depending your view) were developed on Ross, Littlefinger, and the loras/renly story. Seasons 3 AND 4 are supposed to be from book 3 alone, as a lot goes down. If you want to be completely immersed in a fantasy books bursting with detail, go for it, I enjoyed it all.

GRRM model is of the middle ages. Pretty realistic to the times as far as cruelty and power mixed/masked with chivalrous overtones. GRRM has thousands of years of history to this world.

AND WHAT!?!?! You avoid HBO?!? Well, I am down to ZERO shows besides NFL on major networks. So… to each his own, I guess. But… The Wire, Band of Brothers, Treme, The Pacific, Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones, Entourage, Sopranos, various documentaries, new show like Newsroom look promising. The hits just keep on coming for me.



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Monday, April 23, 2012 11:10 AM

AURAPTOR

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Tyrion Lannister is my current favorite character. Peter Dinklage's emmy is very well deserved. Arya Stark also shines. Hell, it just struck me that, kinda like w/ Joss, most of the female characters are fascinating, strong and drive the story.

Is there some club which only accepts fantasy writers with 2 middle names that both start w/ the letter " R " ?

J.R.R. Tolkien

George R.R. Martin...





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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Monday, April 23, 2012 6:33 PM

GREENKA61


I just watched the first season. I loved it! It is so true to the books (I read them all last summer). I'm re-reading the first book now, and details are making more sense. I haven't seen the second season yet. I refuse to watch the commercials and I don't get HBO. I'll wait until they come out on DVD - then I can listen to the audio commentaries, too.

I think they did an especially good job of casting the kids in the TV version. The girl playing Arya and the boy playing Bran (also the one playing the prince) are really, really good. I hate "cutesy" TV kids, and these kids aren't.

What I love most about the books is that even the minor characters are interesting. Also, the characters I hated the most in the begining are the ones I've grown to love the most by the end. I started out hating Tyrion, and now he is my absolute favorite character. I hated Jamie Lannister, and....he's not as bad a person as I thought he was - I have a lot of sympathy for the Lannister boys (not so much for their sister).


What I wish this series had was a complete set of maps.

Did anyone see Masterpiece Theatre last night on PBS? I'm sure I saw both the actor who playes Benjen Stark and the actor who plays Rob Stark on it. I can't remember the name of the series, but it was about WWI.

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Monday, April 23, 2012 7:04 PM

STEGASAURUS


Quote:

Originally posted by GREENKA61:
What I wish this series had was a complete set of maps.



Closest thing I could find for ya:

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Portal:Geography



-Steg

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Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:02 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Season 1 was a gem, as good as tv gets. Season 2 though... is slow rolling. I think plot logistics and writing have dropped + the producers/hbo have decided to double up on the nasty bits. Too bad that comes at the expensive of story telling time. I'm still hooked, and still enjoying the production quality, but it's yet to reach the same level as season 1. I did see a review that said the second half of season to was a cracker.

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Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:33 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Season 1 was a gem, as good as tv gets. Season 2 though... is slow rolling. I think plot logistics and writing have dropped + the producers/hbo have decided to double up on the nasty bits. Too bad that comes at the expensive of story telling time.



Hmm, Ive yet to see episode 4, but the first 3 seemed to me to have less sex. Of course, I don't think of them as "nasty" so perhaps we have differing persepctives.

I also don't see how it comes at the expense of storytelling time. Every sex scene they've done has been there just to give some visual spice to an expository speech filling in some backstory or other detail. Thus the term "sexposition" coming into prominence. Never has any sex scene on that show been just about sex...

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:05 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Having not read the books, I'm both addicted and a tad lost w/ this series.

All the houses and different characters...reminds me a bit of DUNE. ( Another series of books I never read )

Anyways... gotta do me some catch up now. A few eps behind already.




I felt the same way midway into Season One. Go here:

http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/index.html

There are viewer's guides, family trees showing who's aligned with whom, interactive maps of Westeros, Essos, and more.

I'm also rewatching Season One on HBO Go, and it's much better now, having gotten some of the background straightened out.



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Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:07 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Season 1 was a gem, as good as tv gets. Season 2 though... is slow rolling. I think plot logistics and writing have dropped + the producers/hbo have decided to double up on the nasty bits. Too bad that comes at the expensive of story telling time. I'm still hooked, and still enjoying the production quality, but it's yet to reach the same level as season 1. I did see a review that said the second half of season to was a cracker.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com




I've heard several people say that they didn't really get hooked until about midway through Season 1, as well. And I felt pretty much the same way about it, but I'm well and truly hooked now!

It really could do with a bit less of the gratuitous sex, though; there are many times it just doesn't seem to add anything to the story or move anything ahead, it's just there because they can do it on HBO.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:23 PM

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PIZMOBEACH




Season 1 was a gem, as good as tv gets. Season 2 though... is slow rolling. I think plot logistics and writing have dropped + the producers/hbo have decided to double up on the nasty bits. Too bad that comes at the expensive of story telling time. I'm still hooked, and still enjoying the production quality, but it's yet to reach the same level as season 1. I did see a review that said the second half of season to was a cracker.




Agree with Pizmo about season 2...

I've nearly finished all the books and love them. The first season was VERY true to the books but the second season seems to be skipping and glossing over alot of the details in the books, i guess thats bound to happen but after season one I was hopeful for more.

The characters are intoxicating. Tyrion is my favourite but after nearly finishing all the books i'm finding that characters that I disliked early on are starting to win me over despite being "not very nice".

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:43 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
It really could do with a bit less of the gratuitous sex, though; there are many times it just doesn't seem to add anything to the story or move anything ahead, it's just there because they can do it on HBO.

But it is expected from HBO, home of True Blood. Savagery and loveless sex with British, instead of Southern, accents. Erotic bread and circuses.

And the expensive spectaculars! Game of Thrones' main title design is an animated map of the seven kingdoms on the inside surface of a hollow world. If it weren't for glare from the artificial sun, you could see land on the other side of the sky. The most recent episode ends with the birth of the smoke monster from Lost. The vivid birthing scene was designed weirder than any other show could afford.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:20 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Season 1 was a gem, as good as tv gets. Season 2 though... is slow rolling. I think plot logistics and writing have dropped + the producers/hbo have decided to double up on the nasty bits. Too bad that comes at the expensive of story telling time.



Hmm, Ive yet to see episode 4, but the first 3 seemed to me to have less sex. Of course, I don't think of them as "nasty" so perhaps we have differing persepctives.

I also don't see how it comes at the expense of storytelling time. Every sex scene they've done has been there just to give some visual spice to an expository speech filling in some backstory or other detail. Thus the term "sexposition" coming into prominence. Never has any sex scene on that show been just about sex...



Roz flashing her muff... Theon and his sister on horseback (godz!)... Little Finger wiping *something* off one of girl's faces... Joffrey's beating sex scene in ep 4 with what I'm sure the producers/writers want us to thing is a giant dildo that may be used for something else, we're relieved to hear him say, "beat her"... there's plenty of nasty that doesn't propel the story in my opinion. It's like others mention, people expect it from HBO and they can get away with it, "we want you to know your not watching network tv."
I did think the sex scene where Roz and one of Little Finger's girls where being instructed by him while he narrated about himself and his clients was a great scene, and the sex added necessary context. It was very revealing of his character. The Red Lady isn't working for me yet either and that could be the writers - I thought her nude scene with Stanis seemed tacked on and rushed.

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

It really could do with a bit less of the gratuitous sex, though; there are many times it just doesn't seem to add anything to the story or move anything ahead, it's just there because they can do it on HBO.



Yes, because they can. I thought the same for True Blood as well. Not just the sex, but the overt violence and gore. The story is good enough to be shown in PG-13 fashion, yet they've decided to go with full R mode.





" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Monday, May 14, 2012 6:59 PM

AURAPTOR

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Well, the latest ep was interesting. I didn't catch it the night 'of', and had to watch tonight. I'm a bit underwhelmed, what with all the fuss and such. Some were saying it was the best ep of the series!

Meh... It was good, no doubt. And it certainly set up thing big time for the next episode, but I'm still a bit iffy on some of the things I saw. Or 'think' I saw. Will have to wait until next week to find out for sure.

Select to view spoiler:


The 2 charred remains of the young boys, presumably the Stark kids...? Not sure they were actually them. I mean, why burn them ? Theon even said he wasn't going to kill them, but might hurt them. He seemed genuinely shocked at what he saw, as if it was more than he had expected. Which leads me to think , even if they were caught, someone pulled a switch. But I think maybe he didn't catch them, and only made the folks from Winterfell think those bodies were the 2 young Stark brothers.

And the sacking of the Council of Qarth... that was a nice twist. No shocker that the dragons were in the keep of the Warlocks, but wow... such a bold move. Didn't quite see that coming.








" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:43 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Just finished watching Season 1 on Amazon Prime. It is one of my fav programs on TV. Well-written, well-acted and briskly directed. Peter Dinklage is fast becoming one of my fav actors on TV, it is almost Shakesperean in tone and flavor, yet dark and forboding at times.

I'm a big fan of sword and sorcery epics, and this is a perfect example of one. I heard that George RR Martin was greatly influenced by J. R.R. Tolkien. The sex, for the most part, usually is a back drop to the story and is used to spice up a seen, but I get the feeling of being a "fly on the wall." I really like the way they shoot the scenes and give it a movie-like quality.

I don't have HBO so I'll wait for the DVD set to come out. Bravo to HBO and the writers for such quality work.


SGG

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Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:52 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Roz flashing her muff... Theon and his sister on horseback (godz!)... Little Finger wiping *something* off one of girl's faces... Joffrey's beating sex scene in ep 4 with what I'm sure the producers/writers want us to thing is a giant dildo that may be used for something else, we're relieved to hear him say, "beat her"... there's plenty of nasty that doesn't propel the story in my opinion. It's like others mention, people expect it from HBO and they can get away with it, "we want you to know your not watching network tv."



Several of those are character building moments. And others are literally just tiny moments, seconds at best - which happen during other events. They're details that add to the whole Sexual, yes - but people are sexual animals, even in fantasy worlds.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:35 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Roz flashing her muff... Theon and his sister on horseback (godz!)... Little Finger wiping *something* off one of girl's faces... Joffrey's beating sex scene in ep 4 with what I'm sure the producers/writers want us to thing is a giant dildo that may be used for something else, we're relieved to hear him say, "beat her"... there's plenty of nasty that doesn't propel the story in my opinion. It's like others mention, people expect it from HBO and they can get away with it, "we want you to know your not watching network tv."



Several of those are character building moments. And others are literally just tiny moments, seconds at best - which happen during other events. They're details that add to the whole Sexual, yes - but people are sexual animals, even in fantasy worlds.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



I hear what you're saying, obviously it's a subjective thing and for me it feels like they were just trying too hard. I noticed that the last half of season 2 seemed to have fewer of these moments of extra sex stuff. We speculated that they a). got negative feedback about it b). needed to have some G/PG eps for the young actors to do the commentary for.

And what a finish to the second season, maybe not as eye popping as Ned Stark losing his head, but still pretty gripping. Tyrian and Shea make a great couple, though I have this sinking feeling that his head is about to go to the loppers. Either that or he will outlast all the Lanisters and win the ultimate Game of Thrones.

I assume that the white faced, blue eyed horseback rider was a white walker, just revealed in daylight for the first time - it's different look than from the books but that would have been harder to film. It's also different from the ones shown in mostly shadow early on in season 1 and then getting the sacrificial babies from the guy without sons north of the wall - those all seemed larger and more muscular.

Loved the idea of a Faceless Man - I'll miss that original actor, he was good.
Theon Greyjoy's arc and the actor have been fun to watch, some of the funniest and most inspired so far. "I swear to the old gods and the new, I will kill that son-of-a-bitch with the horn..... *brrrrrrrrrerrrrrrr*...." I think they tried that at Waco. Will he take the Black? I think so - it would lead to some good conflict with Jon Snow.

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Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:06 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Gearing up for Season 3, which is a bit over a month away. I've started reading the books, which I'd highly recommend. The series hews remarkably close to the books (at least so far), but fills in quite a bit of detail, especially with some of the palace intrigues and such.

Select to view spoiler:



One thing I don't remember ever seeing in the series was the connection between Ser Jorah and the Lord Commander of the Nights Watch. It was interesting to find out that little detail.



In some ways, the books are superior to the series, but in many ways the show is better. I'm kind of stunned by how well they cast it and how good it is.


On the "maps" of the Westoros world, if you'll notice in the show's opening credits, the places they highlight (Winterfell, King's Landing, Vaes Dothrak, Pyke, Qarth, etc.) are the places that will figure prominently in that episode. I don't know if the opening credits have won Emmy awards or not, but they damned well should.


Oh, and as mentioned before, there's a great wiki site for the series (book and show):

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/

Beware, though, as it may get a bit spoilery.

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Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:27 PM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


I've seen all 20 episodes and I think the show is very good. Emilia Clarke is mesmerizing. She's the main reason I watch the show.








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Friday, February 22, 2013 3:26 AM

AURAPTOR

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I've seen all 20 episodes and I think the show is very good. Emilia Clarke is mesmerizing. She's the main reason I watch the show.





One of the main draws for me as well. But Peter Dinklage does a fantastic job, as does Maisie Williams too.

Plus, there are a couple top notch sniveling villains who I can't wait to see get what's coming to them.

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Friday, February 22, 2013 8:34 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I don't know if the opening credits have won Emmy awards or not, but they damned well should.

Game of Thrones won the 2011 Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Main Title Design. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primetime_Emmy_Award_for_Outstanding_Main
_Title_Design


Director Angus Wall at Elastic in Santa Monica: "The project started with a conversation almost two years ago. Since the series takes place in a made-up world, we were tasked with creating a map to orient the viewer, similar to how the legend in fantasy books orients the reader. Fortunately, the book series' author, George RR Martin, created a series of 2D maps that we used as our foundation. we ended up creating four versions of the main title, each representing the locations visited in each individual episode.

"I really wanted to create something different. I also wanted to create something that felt like a real physical object, something that would have taken several man-years to build in the real world. I initially thought the map should be shaped like a bowl - so we couldn't see beyond the edges of it - but quickly realized we needed to go further and wrap it inside a sphere. It then made sense to light it from within (hence the astrolabe/sun structure at its center).

"Once the shape of the world was settled, it was a question of how many locations we wanted to show and how much detail the map should have. I wanted to reveal the key locations in a dramatic way, and we settled on having each major location grow out of the floor of the map and build itself mechanically. We referenced Leonardo da Vinci's machine designs for how these mechanical structures should look and operate. After several rounds of concept drawings, we created CG models and started to block out the sequence.

"There aren't any shortcuts to creating a world from scratch, so we ended up creating layers and layers of detail - so much that it's impossible to show all of it in 90 seconds. Hopefully you feel that when you watch. Technically that meant creating a mechanical language and sticking to it. It's a testament to everyone who worked on the project that there is such a granular sense of detail in the sequence."

Design by Elastic www.elastic.tv
VFX by A52 www.a52.com

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, February 22, 2013 8:40 PM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


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I've seen all 20 episodes and I think the show is very good. Emilia Clarke is mesmerizing. She's the main reason I watch the show.





One of the main draws for me as well. But Peter Dinklage does a fantastic job, as does Maisie Williams too.

Plus, there are a couple top notch sniveling villains who I can't wait to see get what's coming to them.



Dinklage is a great actor. It's hard to know what he's going to do next or what his motivations are. Maisie is cute and I'm anxious to see what's going to happen to her in Season 3.

Now back to Emilia Clarke for a moment. Daenerys' journey and transformation during the series is something quite unique in tv history. The Season 1 finale when Emilia rose from the ashes with the baby dragons on her....well that was something you just don't ever forget. I mean it was almost as good as when Silvio took Adriana for a car ride in The Sopranos.





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Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:01 PM

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Love both seasons. Completely addicted. Just bought both on blu ray. And I am in love with Dinklage. Just sayin'.


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Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:22 PM

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Mostly all Brits on the show. I also learned last Sunday that Rick and Maggie on The Walking Dead are Brits too. What's going on here? I haven't seen a British Invasion like this since the 60's. Jolly good shows, more appropriately bloody good shows!

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Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:57 PM

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What's going on here? I haven't seen a British Invasion like this since the 60's.

Daenerys Targaryen has invaded Broadway, too.
Emilia Clarke on David Letterman The Late Show 12-3-2013



The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
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Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:41 AM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


What a great interview! She's amazing. I may have to take a trip to NYC to see her on stage in Breakfast At Tiffany's.

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Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:07 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Mostly all Brits on the show. I also learned last Sunday that Rick and Maggie on The Walking Dead are Brits too. What's going on here? I haven't seen a British Invasion like this since the 60's. Jolly good shows, more appropriately bloody good shows!




I take it you didn't see any of the Harry Potter movies? JK Rowling reportedly had a pretty simple edict about making the movies: Don't hire foreign actors if there were British actors able to do the roles.


I had assumed that the show was a collaboration between HBO and BBC (PBS has a similar arrangement with BBC for "Downton Abbey", if memory serves, and HBO has done so in the past for shows such as "Rome"), but a search of IMDB shows no real British studio connection that I see. Maybe they just thought that with Westeros seeming to be so heavily based on medieval England, the British accents just made more sense.

HBO's "The Wire" had a British contingent, too - Dominic West (McNulty) and Aiden Gillen (Tommy Carcetti) and Edris Elba (Stringer Bell) being chief among them.



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Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:18 PM

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I don't know if the opening credits have won Emmy awards or not, but they damned well should.

Game of Thrones won the 2011 Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Main Title Design. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primetime_Emmy_Award_for_Outstanding_Main
_Title_Design


Director Angus Wall at Elastic in Santa Monica: "The project started with a conversation almost two years ago. Since the series takes place in a made-up world, we were tasked with creating a map to orient the viewer, similar to how the legend in fantasy books orients the reader. Fortunately, the book series' author, George RR Martin, created a series of 2D maps that we used as our foundation. we ended up creating four versions of the main title, each representing the locations visited in each individual episode.

"I really wanted to create something different. I also wanted to create something that felt like a real physical object, something that would have taken several man-years to build in the real world. I initially thought the map should be shaped like a bowl - so we couldn't see beyond the edges of it - but quickly realized we needed to go further and wrap it inside a sphere. It then made sense to light it from within (hence the astrolabe/sun structure at its center).

"Once the shape of the world was settled, it was a question of how many locations we wanted to show and how much detail the map should have. I wanted to reveal the key locations in a dramatic way, and we settled on having each major location grow out of the floor of the map and build itself mechanically. We referenced Leonardo da Vinci's machine designs for how these mechanical structures should look and operate. After several rounds of concept drawings, we created CG models and started to block out the sequence.

"There aren't any shortcuts to creating a world from scratch, so we ended up creating layers and layers of detail - so much that it's impossible to show all of it in 90 seconds. Hopefully you feel that when you watch. Technically that meant creating a mechanical language and sticking to it. It's a testament to everyone who worked on the project that there is such a granular sense of detail in the sequence."

Design by Elastic www.elastic.tv
VFX by A52 www.a52.com

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two




On rewatching Season Two, preparing for Season Three, I noticed something in the opening credits which I hadn't caught before: Watch when they show Harrenhall; all the other locations grow up out of the map, parapets and bridges rise, towers go up, trees sprout and branch - but not in Harrenhall. There, nothing grows; it's all been burned by dragonfire. It's a ruins (or as Stewie Griffin would say, "It's rhuined.")




I finished the first book, am well started on the second, and have rewatched both seasons of the show thus far. I did not read the books before seeing the show, and I loved the show so much it made me want to read the books. So I bought "Game of Thrones", and it's *amazing*. It's fantastically amazingly unbelievably stupendous. And for the record, I hate swords-n-sorcery books. This one grabbed me immediately, and I could tell it was going to be better than the series. Well, not better, exactly, but different. Deeper.

After seeing the show, I loved the book. And after reading the book, the show is incredibly better. This is one of those exceedingly rare times when the show and books seem to compliment each other perfectly, to help and feed off each other.

By most accounts, the third book is the best of all, so I'm practically giddy with anticipation for this season of the show!

And the casting is just astonishing. Sure, a few liberties are taken with some details of appearances, but the show does a pretty damned spiffy job of taking these people from the page to the screen quite faithfully.

If you can't tell, I'm smitten with this show. And there should be a full seven-season run by the time it's all said and done.

Oh, and HBO and George R.R. Martin have already inked a deal to work on at least a couple other projects based on his (other) works.



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Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:18 PM

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I finished the first book, am well started on the second, and have rewatched both seasons of the show thus far. I did not read the books before seeing the show, and I loved the show so much it made me want to read the books. So I bought "Game of Thrones", and it's *amazing*. It's fantastically amazingly unbelievably stupendous. And for the record, I hate swords-n-sorcery books. This one grabbed me immediately, and I could tell it was going to be better than the series. Well, not better, exactly, but different. Deeper.



I'm right there with you, on this and the rest of your post. I LOVE this series, both the show and the books. You're so right about how they complement each other: each makes the other better. Huge props to the show creators, who put the detail in there. I just watched season 1 again reading all the books, and had to squee at all the little things...

Going the other way, when I'm reading I can visualize the settings and buildings and clothes and food and banners and every one of the characters - except Tirion. The book claims that he is hideously ugly, but Dinklage is quite handsome and noble. This doesn't bother me, because his delivery of the lines is spot-on.

The books... I tore through all five last summer, and have done a second reading. Good lord, it's hard to go back to book 3 after so much happens by the end of book 5! Don't worry - no spoilers here. I'm just dying that the next book won't be out until 2015.

It's so detailed and rich. It's unbelievable. I just, not ten minutes ago, finished watching the Hobbit for the first time, and compared to GoT it looked hollow and cartoonish and unreal. And I love the Hobbit and LoTR! GoT is just that good. I could gush all night about it.

About book 3 being the best: I don't know about that. It certainly is interesting. Shit happens. I think it'll be an excellent season. But books 4 and 5 are also amazing. I can't imagine how Martin came up with all this!

/slightly embarrassed by all this gushing, as I am the person who always has criticism about everything. Not this!


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Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:35 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I hear ya, M4P - I rarely gush, and I just about never (Okay, maybe once in a generation) like the movie or TV show better than the book, but HBO really did nail it with this series.



Tyrion threw me a bit, too - from the description in the books, he's got an oversized, misshapen, lop-sided head, different colored eyes, etc. - but goddamn if Dinklage doesn't just own that role. And most of the show.

I have no idea where Martin is taking me, or where we're going to end up, but it's a hell of a fantastic ride so far!


I've never read Tolkein. I admit it. I tried when I was 12, but threw the damned book across the room because I felt like even as a 12 year-old, he was patronizing with his writing style. It was like listening to Bobby Jindal give a speech, with undue emphasis placed on every word like it was extra-special or something.

And I actually tried to watch the LoTR movies, more than once I tried, and I cannot stomach them. They're just far too juvenile for me to get into.

There. I said it, and I'll likely be nailed to a cross of books for finally saying it out loud.



Oh, and several people have told me that the books are just as full of gratuitous lascivious sex as the series (Game of Thrones, I mean, not those dreadful Hobbit books!), but frankly I'm just not seeing it. I'm not a prude by any means (more of a libertine, truth be told), but I think the show wouldn't lose a thing if people spent more time with more clothes on. I hear they're talking about naming close-cropped patch of pubes on the women "the King's Landing Strip" instead of the Brazilian.



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Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:02 PM

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I hear ya, M4P - I rarely gush, and I just about never (Okay, maybe once in a generation) like the movie or TV show better than the book, but HBO really did nail it with this series.

Amen! I'm so glad it didn't get made into movies. It needs multiple seasons of episodes to handle all the intrigue and different characters and plots and settings. And man, are they going all out! It is visually perfect.

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I have no idea where Martin is taking me, or where we're going to end up, but it's a hell of a fantastic ride so far!


I have heard people opine that Martin has no idea where he's going, like Stephen King with the Dark Tower series with it's very shitty ending (imho). But I don't agree about Martin. I think he may be expanding on the middle more than he intended, but I think he has a goal in sight. I have no idea what it is either, but there are threads that make sense...

Spoiler alert for anyone not through 2 seasons!

One example is the Melisandre, the red woman. She bugged me at first. But I'm seeing how her religion with the worship of fire and fear of darkness might be related to whatever is beyond the wall. Song of fire and ice: battle between dragons/ the red woman's god against the white walkers and whatever else is up there.

Not that I'm suggesting it's so simple. There are all kinds of complications with the different factions getting in the way of this main conflict, and those complications will likely be a bigger part of the story. But I see that main conflict underlying things. I think he's got a plan with it.

Even if not, the ride is so enjoyable!

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I've never read Tolkein. I admit it. I tried when I was 12, but threw the damned book across the room because I felt like even as a 12 year-old, he was patronizing with his writing style. It was like listening to Bobby Jindal give a speech, with undue emphasis placed on every word like it was extra-special or something.

And I actually tried to watch the LoTR movies, more than once I tried, and I cannot stomach them. They're just far too juvenile for me to get into.

There. I said it, and I'll likely be nailed to a cross of books for finally saying it out loud.


No, that's fair. I was quite addicted to LoTR through middle school and high school. I've read these so many times that you can read one sentence and I'll tell you where exactly it came from, even though I haven't read them in years.

I liked how the language started simple and childlike in the Shire, but as the characters went on their journey and the plot get darker the language become more mature and weighted. But most of all I just liked being in that world. I was a kid who liked escapism. Still do, but my tastes have changed. I'm not drawn into LoTR these days, and I have to admit that the movies, while visually stunning, were a little disappointing for me.

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Oh, and several people have told me that the books are just as full of gratuitous lascivious sex as the series (Game of Thrones, I mean, not those dreadful Hobbit books!), but frankly I'm just not seeing it. I'm not a prude by any means (more of a libertine, truth be told), but I think the show wouldn't lose a thing if people spent more time with more clothes on. I hear they're talking about naming close-cropped patch of pubes on the women "the King's Landing Strip" instead of the Brazilian.


Hunh. I thought the "Brazilian" meant bare naked. Such it was in an episode of Sex and the City, and I think those ladies knew all about personal pruning...

Whatever. I don't mind the nudity. Flash of booby here, privates there. I think it's honest to the Medieval times. Or really, honest to many societies that weren't founded by Puritans. What I don't really need is the Sexposition. I don't much love the blatant violence either. Blood spurting and such.

But, then again, it is true of the times the series represents. I've read other stories (Neal Stephenson's Baroque cycle - if you haven't read it, read it NOW! Though is several thousands of pages...) and it is just true that that era was bloody and sexual and brutal. People weren't shielded and coddled like we are these days. In the end, I don't mind if GoT is blatant about it, though it makes me uncomfortable now and then.

So cannot wait for season 3. It hurts that I can't talk about the crazy plotlines in store for us!

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:49 PM

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I'm so glad it didn't get made into movies. It needs multiple seasons of episodes to handle all the intrigue and different characters and plots and settings.

I have heard people opine that Martin has no idea where he's going, . . . but I don't agree . . . I think he has a goal in sight. I have no idea what it is either, but there are threads that make sense...

Wiki says Martin outlined the unfinished novels for the TV writers:
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Showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss intend to adapt the entirety of the still incomplete A Song of Ice and Fire novel series, if HBO permits it. They envision the series to have a scope of some 80 hours, about eight seasons' worth of material. However, Benioff and Weiss have no intention of padding Game of Thrones out so as to wait for George R.R. Martin (who has taken up to six years to write an installment of A Song of Ice and Fire) to finish writing the last two novels. Knowing the broad outlines of Martin's intended ending for A Song of Ice and Fire, and concerned that extending Game of Thrones to ten seasons would kill its sense of momentum, they consider it possible (if not preferable) that the TV series ends before the last novel is published. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_(TV_series)#Adaptation_sc
hedule

Should Martin die before his novels are finished, the show goes on, God & HBO willing.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Spoiler alert for anyone not through 2 seasons!

One example is the Melisandre, the red woman. She bugged me at first. But I'm seeing how her religion with the worship of fire and fear of darkness might be related to whatever is beyond the wall. Song of fire and ice: battle between dragons/ the red woman's god against the white walkers and whatever else is up there.

Not that I'm suggesting it's so simple. There are all kinds of complications with the different factions getting in the way of this main conflict, and those complications will likely be a bigger part of the story. But I see that main conflict underlying things. I think he's got a plan with it.

Even if not, the ride is so enjoyable!




For more spoilerish stuff, read on.

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I'm just guessing at this point, going off things said and unsaid, but...

It's going to get kinda weird when Danaerys Targarian finds out that Jon Snow is her nephew. Rhaegar, Dany's oldest brother, fathered Jon Snow with Ned Stark's sister Lyanna.

I'm hoping they'll be allies - he of the north, her with her dragons, his ice and her fire forging an alliance on the anvil of King's Landing.

I don't think Jon has any desire to be a king; he just doesn't want to be a bastard. The question is, is there anyone alive who knows his real parentage? We know he's not the blood of the dragon, because he burns. Dany is the only Targaryen with dragon's blood, it seems.



So that's kind of where I'm at with where I think we're being taken.

By the way, do any of them realize what Melisandre is and who she's working for with her "Lord of Light"?



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Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:03 PM

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Friday, March 22, 2013 4:37 AM

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Should Martin die before his novels are finished, the show goes on, God & HBO willing.


That's awesome! I have wondered about the pace of things, given that actors age. The actors should age to fit the parts, but it'll be a long time before he finishes writing. That'd be quite weird, to have the series end, then get the final novel with all the details later.

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Friday, March 22, 2013 4:49 AM

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Said Kwicko: It's going to get kinda weird when Danaerys Targarian finds out that Jon Snow is her nephew. Rhaegar, Dany's oldest brother, fathered Jon Snow with Ned Stark's sister Lyanna.

OK, that's a very interesting idea. I don't know though, I'm pretty sure Ned is Jon's father. There's a whole thing about how he loved another woman before marrying Catelyn. But that could be a misdirection. Hmm. Even if it's not Rhaegar and Lyanna, I wonder if it could be Ned and some Targarian...

There have been some statements in the books as to the possible mother, I vaguely recall two of them, like characters who thought they knew but it was different women. Or they told stories which made me think - aha! Jon's mother! But I don't remember who exactly. I tend to read fast and not note these things. Next time I read through, I have to pay more attention!



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You know? I don't!

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What I think is that this religion was formed after the last attack of the white walkers and whatever evil is behind them. The white walkers bring endless winter and night. The traditions of the "Lord of Light" religion will help fight in the next attack: always keep a fire lit, for example, to burn the animated dead people. The red priests pray to their Lord of Light to bring day again - by fighting the white walkers.

So, yeah, I'm interested in who or what the Lord of Light is.

Not spoiling, but other religions are revealed in book 5 to have something behind them. I'm sure this one does to!


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Friday, March 22, 2013 3:13 PM

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The question is, is there anyone alive who knows his real parentage?


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Jaime knows. He knows all about R+L.





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Friday, March 22, 2013 4:30 PM

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Said Kwicko: It's going to get kinda weird when Danaerys Targarian finds out that Jon Snow is her nephew. Rhaegar, Dany's oldest brother, fathered Jon Snow with Ned Stark's sister Lyanna.

OK, that's a very interesting idea. I don't know though, I'm pretty sure Ned is Jon's father. There's a whole thing about how he loved another woman before marrying Catelyn. But that could be a misdirection. Hmm. Even if it's not Rhaegar and Lyanna, I wonder if it could be Ned and some Targarian...

There have been some statements in the books as to the possible mother, I vaguely recall two of them, like characters who thought they knew but it was different women. Or they told stories which made me think - aha! Jon's mother! But I don't remember who exactly. I tend to read fast and not note these things. Next time I read through, I have to pay more attention!


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There's lots of mention about how much Arya bears a resemblance to Jon, and also Arya is often compared favorably with Lyanna.

Also, at one point Ned names off all his children in his mind, and conveniently leaves out Jon. He also takes great care never to refer to Jon as "my son", so far as I can find, but *does* make sure to call him "my blood" - which, if he were Ned's nephew by Lyanna, he would still be Ned's blood. Stark blood. Just not Ned's son.

Also, Ned's said to be carrying fourteen years of lies and secrets. "Promise me," Lyanna begged him in a room that smelled of blood and roses, on a bed of her blood. It's said she died from a fever, but bleeding isn't associated with fever, it's associated strongly in the books with birthing. Jon is fourteen years old. Fourteen years of secrets and lies.

Of course Ned could never tell... anyone. What would Robert Baratheon do with a Targaryen in his midst, a *male* Targaryen at that? He sent assassins across the Narrow Sea to find and kill a girl, for gawd's sake! And could Ned live with losing his last ties with Lyanna, who never felt any real love for Robert?

"Promise me, Ned..." And he did. It's implied that the promise is to take her back to Winterfell to be buried in the family crypt. But Ned fulfilled that promise fourteen years ago. So why would that haunt him? It's not one of the secrets and lies he's kept for fourteen years, because he lived up to that promise, and it's no secret to anyone.

"Promise me... [you'll take care of my son and keep him safe from harm]..." That fits. Makes more sense.

Robert asks Ned, "That bastard's mother, you never told me about her," or words to that effect. "Nor will I," Ned answers. Of course he can't, can he? If Rhaegar Targaryen is Jon's father, Ned can sure as hell never tell Robert or anyone else that Lyanna is the mother.

Before his death, when he's in the dungeons, Ned thinks a lot about wanting to see Jon. In his dreams, Bran sees Ned in the crypts, and Ned has something important to tell Jon.

It adds up, but again, it could all be misdirection. Martin seems to revel in that sort of gamesmanship!



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By the way, do any of them realize what Melisandre is and who she's working for with her "Lord of Light"?

You know? I don't!

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What I think is that this religion was formed after the last attack of the white walkers and whatever evil is behind them. The white walkers bring endless winter and night. The traditions of the "Lord of Light" religion will help fight in the next attack: always keep a fire lit, for example, to burn the animated dead people. The red priests pray to their Lord of Light to bring day again - by fighting the white walkers.

So, yeah, I'm interested in who or what the Lord of Light is.

Not spoiling, but other religions are revealed in book 5 to have something behind them. I'm sure this one does to!



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I made the connection almost immediately, but of course I don't know if I'm right or not. Melisandre tells Stannis that he'll betray everyone he knows and loves, and he fathers some kind of evil being that helps him murder his own brother Renly. And when Melisandre speaks of the Lord of Light, at one point she refers to him as the Bringer of Light; that was the tip-off for me. In Christianity and ancient Hebrew, the Bearer of Light had a name associated with him, because it was the Hebrew word for "bearer of light": Lucifer.

I don't know if their gods are the same as Earth gods, but I get a strong vibe that Melisandre is working the dark side of the force, at least.





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Friday, March 22, 2013 8:08 PM

MAL4PREZ


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Regarding Jon's parentage: I like it. I could totally see that being the case. Strange that the "silver hair/purple eyes" of the Tagaryen's passed him by, but that stuff does happen. But it would great if it turned out that way!

Yeah, Jon does get burnt. But I'm thinking that the way book 5 left things, book 6 way just fill us in with a thing or two about him. Damn! I can't expand on that!


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Kwicko: I don't know if their gods are the same as Earth gods, but I get a strong vibe that Melisandre is working the dark side of the force, at least.

M4P: Definitely not the same as Earth gods. Or maybe the Earth gods are the few that lasted after this world moved on. They have a LOT of gods here, and will be clear when a few plotlines leave Westeros.

Melisandre sure seems foul, but I don't think there is a "Satan". I think there's more going on there, that I can't share.



So, are you against reading ahead with the books? Not trying to convince you either way, except to say they ROCK (some find them slow, but I loved all the detail) and it's really sucks not to be able to talk about all of it! None of my friends that I know of have read all 5, so I have to keep all this to myself. Eek! My head may explode!

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Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:18 PM

KWICKO

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So, are you against reading ahead with the books? Not trying to convince you either way, except to say they ROCK (some find them slow, but I loved all the detail) and it's really sucks not to be able to talk about all of it! None of my friends that I know of have read all 5, so I have to keep all this to myself. Eek! My head may explode!




Oh, I'm not at all against reading ahead. Right now I'm just trying to catch up to the show. It's not an exaggeration - okay, not much of an exaggeration - to say that each book is a doorstop in its own right. Looks like the first one, at 760 pages, was the shortest of the bunch! Book 3 is over 1200 pages, and I've got to get through Book 2 (A Clash of Kings) first. Sadly, I don't get as much time for reading as I'd like. And don't get me wrong, at all - the books are long, but they never FEEL long or wieldy. I'm completely sucked into this Westeros, this wondrous world that Martin has wrought for us.

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And although Jon does indeed burn, that's not really any kind of continuity error as far as I can see. After all, Vasaerys burned too, when he got his crown of gold.

I may turn out to be wrong about all of this, of course, but I'm still enjoying the hell out of the ride. I don't know why I spend so much time wondering about Jon's parentage, but something just jumped out at me about him.





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Monday, March 25, 2013 6:45 PM

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Been watching the Season 2 reruns on HBO2 as they count down to this Sunday's Season 3 premier. Last Saturday was episode #19. The best line was spoken by Dinklage to his lover.... "You can't fuck your way out of everything." Now that's writing!

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:23 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


They've done a good job of catching Martin's humor in the show - you'd think such a grim swords-n-sorcery epic would be humorless, but there's plenty of laugh lines in the books, too - mostly between Tyrion and Bronn, such as this exchange:

Tyrion: "How goes your recruiting?"

Bronn: "Well enough. Three new men tonight."

T: "How do you know which ones to hire?"

B: "I look them over. I question them, to learn where they've fought and how well they lie. And then I give them a chance to kill me, while I do the same for them."

T: "Have you killed any?"

B: "No one we could have used."

T: "And if one of them kills you?"

B: "He'll be one you'll want to hire."

Pure gold, I tell ya.




I really, sincerely hope that HBO finds a way to divorce itself from cable providers and offer a streaming-only option to those who want access to the shows, but don't want to pay hundreds of dollars per month for cable to have that access.

Netflix is becoming the future of television, so I expect a deal to be reached at some point, at which time I'll be more than happy to ditch cable.



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, March 31, 2013 9:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Having not read the books, I'm both addicted and a tad lost w/ this series.

All the houses and different characters...reminds me a bit of DUNE. ( Another series of books I never read )

Anyways... gotta do me some catch up now. A few eps behind already.






Soooo...

Heading into tonight Season 3 premiere, did you get all caught up?

If you haven't read the books, I'd very highly recommend them. Dune, not so much. I got through the first one, but it was a chore and a half, and it took me no fewer than three tries before I could ever finish it - I kept giving up around 300 pages in. It takes about 310 pages before things start really cooking. Go figure...

Anyway, GoT is amazing pretty much from the get-go, and goes a long way towards straightening out which houses are which, and who they're aligned with or bear loyalty or fealty to, which really helps with lots of the palace intrigues.


Read the books if you get a chance, but the show is amazing even if you haven't.

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Sunday, March 31, 2013 2:36 PM

MAL4PREZ


On account of the late hour (for us early risers), my buddy with HBO is TiVo-ing and our viewing party will be Wednesday night. So I'll be avoiding this thread for a few days.

Maybe I'll watch an old episode. I've had that music in my head for days! This is the only show ever that makes me watch the opening credits every time. Even on DVD, I never skip past.

Enjoy!

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Sunday, March 31, 2013 4:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


No spoilers from me, I promise.

Let's just suffice it to say that the season gets off to a rollicking start.

And some new locales appear in the opening credits, along with some changes to at least one old favorite.

This is going to be an interesting season, and one that I suspect will break my heart more than once. Maybe more than twice.



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