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Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:51 AM

CHRISISALL


Have any of you Planet of the Apes movies peeps seen this???


The music was obviously added to give us something to listen to, but this ending would have totally bummed me!!!


The shocked simian Chrisisall



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Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:57 AM

CHRISISALL


Another thing- this is the SAME bomb in Beneath the Planet of the Apes

that appears in Battle For the Planet of the Apes.
Kinda temporally weird.
Also suggests different timeline possibilities.

Or- maybe just a cool re-used prop out of the 20th Century Fox warehouse...

Either way, the "Apes" movies were a great series back in the day- can you tell Sonisall & I are visiting them right now?


The laughing Chrisisall


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:10 PM

CHRISISALL


Modeling fans check this:




The Ape-nut Chrisisall


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:24 PM

CHRISISALL


http://pota.goatley.com/paper-icarus/

Nice.


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:15 PM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Have any of you Planet of the Apes movies peeps seen this???


The music was obviously added to give us something to listen to, but this ending would have totally bummed me!!!



Yeah, I seen it for the first time when I purchased the Blu-Ray. Dark, dark stuff. Pretty cool though.

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Friday, September 24, 2010 1:56 AM

CHRISISALL


Now, should I get the series? I don't remember it very well, 1974 was a LONG time ago now...


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Friday, September 24, 2010 3:34 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Now, should I get the series? I don't remember it very well, 1974 was a LONG time ago now...


The laughing Chrisisall




Let me think....Of course you should. Pure escapist tv at its best. Roddy Mcdowall shines as Galen.
The only other 14 episode show to equal it is Firefly.

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Friday, September 24, 2010 5:09 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:

Let me think....

Don't take too long now...
Quote:

Of course you should. Pure escapist tv at its best. Roddy Mcdowall shines as Galen.
The only other 14 episode show to equal it is Firefly.


That's quite a recommendation!
As you say, so shall I do then.


The Go-Ape-For-A-Day Chrisisall


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Friday, September 24, 2010 6:00 AM

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Friday, September 24, 2010 6:41 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:








Awesome! If you read the reviews on Amazon the majority of them are 5 star reviews(from Ape fans).
It takes place abut 800 years before the events of the first film, so the humans can still speak but they aren't treated very kindly by the apes. Mark Leonard as Urko is another plus for the series. He is a pretty good bad guy.
I really do enjoy it more than the film sequels. Hope you dig it.

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Friday, September 24, 2010 7:04 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:

Awesome! If you read the reviews on Amazon the majority of them are 5 star reviews(from Ape fans).

I did. You're right. And at $14.95, how can I NOT get it?
Quote:



I really do enjoy it more than the film sequels. Hope you dig it.


Sonisall's main beef with the movies (however much they fascinate him) is that only Battle has a *somewhat* happy ending.
So from what I've read, he's gonna like this series a lot, and I'm confident I will as well.

Then after, I'll write a short story for him detailing how Virdon & Burke get back home to give it an ending for him. At that point, I'll shoot you a copy of it to see if it meets with your approval.
I did it for him once before, when a novel he was reading (and that he was really INTO) had a crappy ending. I re-wrote the last two chapters for him to make it more interesting & give it a sense of coming full-circle from the beginning.

One other thing, I have a hazy memory of Burke doing some Karate-ish fighting back then- it being the height of the Kung Fu Craze... that'll be fun.


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Friday, September 24, 2010 8:30 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

Sonisall's main beef with the movies (however much they fascinate him) is that only Battle has a *somewhat* happy ending.
So from what I've read, he's gonna like this series a lot, and I'm confident I will as well.

Then after, I'll write a short story for him detailing how Virdon & Burke get back home to give it an ending for him. At that point, I'll shoot you a copy of it to see if it meets with your approval.
I did it for him once before, when a novel he was reading (and that he was really INTO) had a crappy ending. I re-wrote the last two chapters for him to make it more interesting & give it a sense of coming full-circle from the beginning.

One other thing, I have a hazy memory of Burke doing some Karate-ish fighting back then- it being the height of the Kung Fu Craze... that'll be fun.



Yup, $14 95 is a steal for such a cool show. I bought it on the Tuesday it was released in 2001 for $49.99. I bought the re-release in 2006 because the press releases said episode promos would be included. They weren't, I was upset. Oh well it was better packaging anyway.

I love reading fan fiction of the tv series, and the POTA tv series really makes you want to expand the storyline. Like the original Star Trek, there are just so many other stories that could be told. I look forward to reading your 'closure' episode.

The Kung Fu craze was pretty intense in the early/mid 70's, and you will see Burke drop kick a lot of apes.

Oh man, when you get done watching we can discuss favorite episodes. This is great. Thanks for being an APES fan on a Firefly site.

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Friday, September 24, 2010 8:36 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:
Thanks for being an APES fan on a Firefly site.


No prob.
Just don't ask me to watch that awful TV series of Logan's Run!


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Friday, September 24, 2010 8:53 AM

CHRISISALL


Hey dude, I thought ya might get a kick outta this:


I made that mask from scratch back in the day when I was 14- made plaster molds, poured latex & everything. Real hair wig, human skull model teeth...

It's a bit tight on me now.


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Friday, September 24, 2010 6:19 PM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:
Thanks for being an APES fan on a Firefly site.


No prob.
Just don't ask me to watch that awful TV series of Logan's Run!




No. Bad 70's tv can stay forgotten as far as I'm concerned.

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Friday, September 24, 2010 6:40 PM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Hey dude, I thought ya might get a kick outta this:


I made that mask from scratch back in the day when I was 14- made plaster molds, poured latex & everything. Real hair wig, human skull model teeth...



That's cool. Pretty decent for a 14 year old. You had the skills even back in the day. You would have been a god to my brother and I in the 70's. We used to craft our own spook yard The weekend prior to Halloween with friends. We usually bought scary masks but constructed everything else. Fake blood(Karo syrup food coloring), monster hands(latex gloves with a a little glue and sawdust) and of course our backyard. One year a friend of my brother was a werewolf, and we had him chained to our shed. Scarier than anything you would see in the movies I kid you not. Neighborhood kids had a blast, but the youngens were usually too frightened to go all the way through. Then after our little production we would have cider and donuts. Sorry to ramble.

Back to the POTA series, There are a handful of scripts that were never filmed. You can download most of the teleplays to read. I am curious to read the original pilot by Rod Serling.




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Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:48 AM

CHRISISALL


Serling's 1st & 2nd episode scripts prolly seemed too "cerebral" or something. I wanna read 'em too.

I also did a Halloween spook house thing in my basement as a kid. It was only scary for the younger ones, though.

Amazon tells me the POTA series shipped already!!! Cool beans.


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Saturday, September 25, 2010 6:12 AM

CHRISISALL


So, if the series is set in 3085 & the humans talk... is this before the humans somehow got it into their genes (presumably through lingering radiation, possibly in something only humans had contact with or ate) to lose IQ points & vocal ability in the brain?
Or is this an altered timeline that follows "Battle For The Planet Of The Apes", where somehow humans retained some small measure of respect & intelligence in the events that unfolded during the centuries?

Or is it a different timeline ALLTOGETHER???

Lawgiver, who knows the future?


The laughingly confused Chrisisall


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Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:52 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
So, if the series is set in 3085 & the humans talk... is this before the humans somehow got it into their genes (presumably through lingering radiation, possibly in something only humans had contact with or ate) to lose IQ points & vocal ability in the brain?
Or is this an altered timeline that follows "Battle For The Planet Of The Apes", where somehow humans retained some small measure of respect & intelligence in the events that unfolded during the centuries?

Or is it a different timeline ALLTOGETHER???


It's a bit of give and take my friend. If you put into continuity any of the Apes films and tv series you will always have large alterations in the timeline. The only two ape films to work well together are the first film and Beneath. so for the movies of course it would be(chronologically) Escape, Conquest, Battle, tv series, first film, and Beneath being the absolute end of the Planet of the Apes.
The Tv series is a little tricky to fit in because there is a bit of conflicting happenings that are mentioned in the later films. In the tv series there is a dog in the first episode(dogs shouldn't exist in the ape realm) there is a Zaius(I'd like to think a great ancestor to the Zaius in the original film not the same one). So it is kind of confusing.


I think the Ape tv series can fit into the timeline but I will simplify it to state my point.
The way I view it is this:
After the end of the world(as humans know it) Apes are the dominant species of about 2 to 1. Apes find humans helpful for work so they let them live, but they run the show and kill any humans at will if they so choose. Humans can still speak but have become simpletons more or less because no education is offered them. They are also aware that apes rule the land and are fearful of them.

Fast forward a thousand years. Apes consider humans a hazard (because their numbers were growing) and kill them on sight. Through the generations of being hunted and treated like wild animals always on the run the humans lost the concept of language and speech.

All I can say is this, don't work too hard at trying to fit the pieces together because it's one confusing puzzle. Take the Apes tv series for what it is. Kick back and enjoy



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Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:58 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Serling's 1st & 2nd episode scripts prolly seemed too "cerebral" or something. I wanna read 'em too.

I also did a Halloween spook house thing in my basement as a kid. It was only scary for the younger ones, though.

Amazon tells me the POTA series shipped already!!! Cool beans.


Yeah I heard the Serling Pilot(a friend read it)makes the original film look like an picnic. Too dark for approval.



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Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:01 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:
Take the Apes tv series for what it is. Kick back and enjoy




Sometime this week!!!!

Awaiting Mark Lenard & Lalo Schifrin doin' their thing...


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Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:54 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:


Awaiting Mark Lenard & Lalo Schifrin doin' their thing...

The score from Schifrin is something special.

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Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:10 PM

CHRISISALL


I have no memory of it- it will be an added treat.


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Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:16 PM

CHRISISALL


Lalo Schifrin sidebar:
My favourite scores of his:
Mission: Impossible
THX-1138
Enter The Dragon
Rush Hour movies

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:27 AM

CHRISISALL


Chrisisall paces the house on his day off, making visible impressions in the carpet as he unconsciously traces his own footsteps again and again. "It was shipped Saturday, why hasn't it gotten here already?", he thinks to himself.
He walks to the window to look out at the mailbox, even though the mail person never comes before 2pm.
He is obsessed....


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Thursday, September 30, 2010 10:20 AM

CHRISISALL


I just been Past-Blasted all right!!! Got the set, & Sonisall and I watched the first ep! The ORIGINAL ship was in it!!!! SO COOL!!!
Yeah, a lot compressed into the short running time, but still a reasonably good set up for the series.
And they used the ORIGINAL ship!!!!
Also, the transfer was sharp! The colours were rich, and the only visual letdown at all was some of the original print issues (scratches, low-light filmstock irregularities, 2nd generation stock footage, and the like).
Tell ya the truth, it was a LOT better than I was expecting.


And they used the ORIGINAL ship Chrisisall


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Friday, October 1, 2010 2:34 PM

CHRISISALL


Gladiators was fine, but The Trap was awesome! Mark Lenard was a truly great actor. Sonisall said The Good Seeds was the best yet, but he went ahead of me on that one.


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Friday, October 1, 2010 6:55 PM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Gladiators was fine, but The Trap was awesome! Mark Lenard was a truly great actor. Sonisall said The Good Seeds was the best yet, but he went ahead of me on that one.




Oh yes 'The Trap'. I love that episode. You're right about Lenard, his portrayal of Urko(especially in The Trap) was downright inspiring. You can just feel his hatred of humankind.
Reminds me of a childhood favorite film -Hell in the Pacific -with Lee Marvin.
The Good Seeds is a perfectly fine episode(As I said I don't think there is a bad episode in the bunch) but my other favorites are:
-Tomorrows Tide
-The Legacy
-The Horse Race
and just for the sake of a goofier episode
-Up Above the World so High.

Glad your enjoying it Chris. I may have to break my tradition of watching the series once annually just to revisit the Planet of the Apes.

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Friday, October 1, 2010 7:16 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Modeling fans check this:





There was actually a Lockheed-concept spacecraft that predated this , but looked very similar. It was a 2-man shuttle , IIRC , and the 'wings' in this depiction were actually fairings on the original. The fairings were like a 'wing-glove' for variable-geometry wings that would swing to deploy for low-speed flight , ala F-14 , F-111 , MiG-23 Flogger , and Jaguar fighter planes.

I used to have a flying model rocket called the 'Vulcan' , (by Centuri Engineering) that was also a good likeness...

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Friday, October 1, 2010 7:43 PM

OUT2THEBLACK




This is a 'cloned' copy of the rocket , and the nose cone isn't quite right , but it is an example of the general planform shape of it...

Haven't found an image of the Lockheed vehicle yet , though. Might be at it a while because it was probably a 'black' program at one time.

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Saturday, October 2, 2010 8:55 AM

CHRISISALL


The Good Seeds was good. Lots of positive stuff in it. I see why Sonisall says it was his favourite so far. I'm seeing the series getting up to speed quickly.
Only one thing- the human city-that-was in The Trap seemed only a few days ride from Ape City (West Coast Branch), yet they never discovered it before? Oh well, I guess any number of things might reasonably explain that. I was frankly awed by the production value in that ep- trashing a back lot city set like that ain't cheep. And Jerry Finnerman's (of Trek TOS fame)photography is beautiful.


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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 11:38 AM

CHRISISALL


The Legacy was great, even though I had a couple of "Landru" moments...

Curiously though, Tomorrow's Tide didn't do much for me. The big toy shark may have had something to do with it...

The Surgeon, on the other hand, was excellent! Same director as The Trap, I noticed. Sonisall noted a few "Star Trek sounding" musical ques. Very good character interaction.

So far, a very good call "ordering" this human to get it- thanks OP.


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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 5:23 PM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
The Legacy was great, even though I had a couple of "Landru" moments...

Curiously though, Tomorrow's Tide didn't do much for me. The big toy shark may have had something to do with it...

The Surgeon, on the other hand, was excellent! Same director as The Trap, I noticed. Sonisall noted a few "Star Trek sounding" musical ques. Very good character interaction.

So far, a very good call "ordering" this human to get it- thanks OP.


Yeah. It's a very good series. I usually watch it once a year(Friday nights paired with Kolchack the Night Stalker if possible). Just a geeky tradition I have.
Tomorrow's Tide holds a lot of nostalgia for me, so I count that as a favorite.
I really wish the series would have continued. 14 episodes just isn't nearly enough to justify such a cool concept and untold ideas for the astronauts and Galen.

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Wednesday, October 6, 2010 11:32 AM

CHRISISALL


The Deception started out like it might be trite, but they managed to conjure up quite a good little tale with involving characters! Pete's kiss, while totally expected, hearkened back to Taylor & Zira.

I'm really enjoying Finnerman's photography; it's like Star Trek with more camera movement. And primo musical scores.



70's TV sidebar:
I have The Incredible Hulk, Star Trek Animated, and Kung Fu, now POTA (I can't believe I haven't seen it in so long...).
Now all that's missing for me is Man From Atlantis.
I have an old VHS copy of the pilot, but I remember some of the episodes were really good too.

No series DVD release yet, though.



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Friday, October 8, 2010 6:44 AM

CHRISISALL


The Horse Race- another that started slow & got great! Urko was so freakin' EVIL! Pete shoulda killed him in the subway station!


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Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:52 AM

CHRISISALL


The Interrogation was another winner. Once again, Urko embraces the Dark Side. It was a hoot to see Galen's parents too.
The Tyrant was both dark & funny... how'd they get away with that? But Sonisall didn't like that that kid got killed...
The Cure was well done too.

*sob* only 2 left to go...

This must have been a real expensive show to produce- the lighting & photography are definitely movie-quality.


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Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:06 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
The Interrogation was another winner. Once again, Urko embraces the Dark Side. It was a hoot to see Galen's parents too.
The Tyrant was both dark & funny... how'd they get away with that? But Sonisall didn't like that that kid got killed...
The Cure was well done too.

*sob* only 2 left to go...

This must have been a real expensive show to produce- the lighting & photography are definitely movie-quality.

I'm still shocked that this show looks so great on dvd. To be honest on my 27" CRT tv it rivals HD reference quality material in 1080P.
I think the budget was about 1 mil an episode. In 1974 that was pretty steep.
When I got the series in 2001, it was the first time I had seen every episode. As a kid I loved it, and thought it may not hold up. Wrong! When I finished it was my new favorite sci-fi series(right behind Star Trek).

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Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:28 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:


When I finished it was my new favorite sci-fi series(right behind Star Trek).


I see that S. Bar-David wrote the final ep, and John Meredyth Lucas directed. Along with Jerry Finnerman photographing, it practically IS Star Trek, heh heh.


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Saturday, October 16, 2010 3:10 PM

CHRISISALL


Just showin' this to Sonisall...

http://www.filmbug.com/db/1023


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Saturday, October 16, 2010 7:01 PM

OPPYH


I had no idea Roddy was only 70 when he passed away.
He certainly brought magic to the role of Cornelius in POTA. And charm to Galen in the tv series(one of the reasons I admire it so much).
The last role I watched him in was Fright Night(1985) and yes, he made that movie better than it should have been also.

Truly one of the great actors of the time.


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Sunday, October 17, 2010 2:00 PM

CHRISISALL


It isn't common knowledge, but McDowall played Chiun in a TV pilot for a Remo Williams (The Destroyer series) show that was never picked up.
Sadly, I haven't seen it.
http://www.sinanju.com/movie_tv/tv.htm

My other TOTAL favourite role McDowall played was in The Legend Of Hell House. It's a must-see for me every Halloween!


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:08 PM

CHRISISALL


This is the end. Last ep.
Sadness ensues.

There is no Ape future except what we make for ourselves.

In writing, or in graphic novel, I *will* finish this story. For me, for Sonisaal, and other fans.

I swear it!


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Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:31 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
This is the end. Last ep.
Sadness ensues.

There is no Ape future except what we make for ourselves.

In writing, or in graphic novel, I *will* finish this story. For me, for Sonisaal, and other fans.

I swear it!

Virdon, and Burke await their fate. Please write them a suitable ending.

What did you and Sonisall think of the series overall?

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:46 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:


What did you and Sonisall think of the series overall?


We had a ball watching it, and he says next Halloween, he wants to be Galen (he says he's too short this year). He also told me to do a final story in graphic novel form, not just writing...

I could see the story clearly heading towards some form of revolution in future seasons, but I don't know if I'm going to use that or not.

Personally, I liked how Burke & Virdon seemed to be getting used to the situation- even feeling comfortable with minor confrontations. The gorillas bark loud, but they gave up a mess of their physical strength in the evolution to this point. Still stronger than humans, but not at all ridiculously so.


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Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin
Sat, March 23, 2024 18:09 - 7 posts
Video Games to movie and tv series and other Cartoon / video game adaptions
Thu, March 7, 2024 14:26 - 42 posts
Favourite martial arts film of all time-
Wed, March 6, 2024 15:02 - 54 posts
PLANETES
Tue, March 5, 2024 14:22 - 51 posts
Shogun, non scifi series
Tue, March 5, 2024 13:20 - 4 posts
What Good Sci-Fi am I missing?
Mon, March 4, 2024 14:10 - 53 posts
Binge-worthy?
Mon, February 12, 2024 11:35 - 126 posts
Are There New TV Shows This Fall You Must See?
Sat, December 30, 2023 18:29 - 95 posts
The Expanse
Wed, December 20, 2023 18:06 - 27 posts
What Films Do You Want To See In 2023?
Thu, November 30, 2023 20:31 - 36 posts
Finding realistic sci-fi disappointing
Thu, October 5, 2023 12:04 - 42 posts
Worst Sci-Fi Ever.
Wed, October 4, 2023 17:51 - 158 posts

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