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Am I the only one in these parts that thinks Spider-man 3 was a good flick?

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Friday, October 23, 2009 5:59 PM

CHRISISALL




I'm feeling like somewhat of a gorram pariah in this respect. I loved the dark aspect, the angry need for revenge, the forgiveness for bad timining & placement, and the sacrifice of a true friend...
Even my Son hates this movie, but it brings me to tears every time, much like our BDM.
Thoughts?


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Friday, October 23, 2009 9:03 PM

SINGATE


Were you on a bender when you came to this conculsion? Seriously, I'm usually on board with your entertainment choices but this time you may have crossed the line. I'm also usually forgiving of movies in that if I am entertained I will overlook serious flaws but this one is just a mess.

I won't claim to know everything about Spidey canon but I do know the symbiote(Venom) storyline was nothing like it was depicted in the film. Exploding Venom/Eddie at the end was just the sour icing on a moldy cake.

If you are going to put three villains in a movie then for God's sake don't turn two of them into sympathetic characters by the end. The truly tragic part about this is the best performance is given by James Franco as Harry Osbourne/Hobgoblin and what do they do in the end? You guessed it, he's killed off. I think the PTB really missed an opportunity with this character in future installments which is a real shame. Then again, maybe Franco wanted out.

I wish I could list some positives about this movie but I just don't like it. It ranks right down there with two other disappointments: X-men 3 and Blade 3.

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:42 AM

LWAVES


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

I'm feeling like somewhat of a gorram pariah in this respect. I loved the dark aspect, the angry need for revenge, the forgiveness for bad timining & placement, and the sacrifice of a true friend...
Even my Son hates this movie, but it brings me to tears every time, much like our BDM.
Thoughts?

The laughing Chrisisall



Sorry bud, but this is one of those occasions where Sonisall is right. Too many bad guys, too much stupid goofiness for my taste.

Having said that it does have some great moments and I have a 'fan-edited' version of the movie which cuts out all the silly stuff (at least as much as possible) and this is a highly watchable version of the movie that keeps it in line with the first two. The tone is kept intact and without the silliness Peter is much darker and fits in better with the whole revenge theme going on.
You don't get Peter's 'Travolta' walk, the dance scene is considerably cut which makes it all the more brutal when MJ gets hit. Plus other cuts of pointless scenes to shorten the time.
It is a much better film than the theatrical version and if you know how to obtain it I would recommend it to fans.

I hope that if Spidey 4 appears they return to old and let Sam Raimi do his thing, his way. None of the studio interference that seems to have plagued this movie.



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Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:54 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
Exploding Venom/Eddie at the end was just the sour icing on a moldy cake.

Nice wording/visual there. I just don't get that sentiment. Venom HAD to be killed, & Edward Brock Jr. showed his true colours in the end basically getting himself killed at the same time; good widdance to bad wubbish.
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what do they do in the end? You guessed it, he's [Harry] killed off.

Yeah, very Joss-like.
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It ranks right down there with two other disappointments: X-men 3 and Blade 3.


I thought it was WAAAAAY better than both. You characterized it as a mess- I see more stuff in it each time I see it, like our BDM, it's incredibly compressed as it was telling a story too big & complicated for a mere 2hr movie, if anything's truly wrong with the film, I'd say it was that too much material created some narrative confusion & questionable pacing- but repeated viewings make these problems disappear, IMO.


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Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:29 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by lwaves:
You don't get Peter's 'Travolta' walk

I loved that, it was Peter so out of control he couldn't see the reactions around him. It was a funny/uncomfortable scene.


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Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:36 AM

AURAPTOR

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Too many story lines converging for just 1 movie. Could have been made into 2 movies, easily.



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Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:44 AM

KWICKO

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But then we'd have had to sit throught TWO of them!


Actually, full disclosure, I haven't seen it, so I have to reserve judgement. However, the things I've heard have been rather instrumental in my not WANTING to see it, because I enjoyed the first two installments. They weren't on my top 5 comix-to-movies list, but they were entertaining.

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:46 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Too many story lines converging for just 1 movie. Could have been made into 2 movies, easily.


Yeah, highly compressed.


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Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:47 AM

ECGORDON

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If I ever see it then I can give you my opinion. Apparently I am one of the few who did not think the second film was better than the first, so why should I have suffered through the third?



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Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:00 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by ecgordon:
If I ever see it then I can give you my opinion. Apparently I am one of the few who did not think the second film was better than the first, so why should I have suffered through the third?



That's funny, I thought the first was the best. I felt that the second was good visually, but the whole idea that Ock was a good person controlled by evil AI arms was ridiculous to me. And when Peter walked by the guy getting violently mugged & did nothing, well, that right there was stupider than ANYTHING in #3. While the third isn't as good as the first, I like it much better than the second.


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Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:52 AM

OPPYH


Ok, it wasn't that bad. It felt rushed(Too much to tie up in the last half hour) and that to me threw everything out of wack. It wasn't up to par with the second one, and that is the other reason I condemned it initially. But to be honest it is a good popcorn movie. Just enjoy the action, and sounds and relax. On Blu-Ray it is pretty phenomenal(but I don't own it). Top of the list of mediocre Marvel movies. Far ahead of X3, Wolverine, and Blade 3.

But if you ever start a thread stating Transformers 2 was a good flick were gonna have words.


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Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:16 PM

SINGATE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Venom HAD to be killed, & Edward Brock Jr. showed his true colours in the end basically getting himself killed at the same time; good widdance to bad wubbish.



I get why he had to be killed withing the framework of the movie. My whole problem was how the movie butchered the comic story arc involving Peter and the transference of the symbiote to Eddie. This film ripped the Venom character to pieces.

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:30 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
My whole problem was how the movie butchered the comic story arc involving Peter and the transference of the symbiote to Eddie. This film ripped the Venom character to pieces.


What??? If *I* can get past not using Gwen in the FIRST movie, that seems like small potatos in the overall scope of things. What about the common fabric in Spidey's costume? Can a nerd from Queens make a movie quality 3D costume? The rounded eyes on the costume? Pete's BROWN eyes???



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Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:32 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by OPPYH:
It wasn't up to par with the second one

Please, tell me WTF was so good about #2. Alfed Molina is a good actor? JJJ goofing around in Spidey's costume? "This is really heavy."? < that WAS good...


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Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:42 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Please, tell me WTF was so good about #2. Alfed Molina is a good actor? JJJ goofing around in Spidey's costume? "This is really heavy."? < that WAS good...


Sorry you didn't like it. To me, it captured what I loved reading the comic books(many years ago) perfectly.
1. The woes of being Peter Parker

2. Spiderman reaches his absolute limit by stopping the train. Overcoming a task that is near impossible for SPidey always made for a good read.

3 Molina was the perfect choice for Doc Ock.

4. The story didn't feel rushed, and played out perfectly.

5. Aunt May in trouble with a super villain....come on, if that isn't right from the pages of classic Spiderman then I don't know what is.

6. The battle between Doc Ock, and Spidey

7. Spiderman loses his power for a spell.

Add it up, and it's so close to the early issues of Spidey that it actually feels like you're reading the comic book.

For me, that makes a pretty darn good comic book movie.

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Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:01 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by OPPYH:

Add it up, and it's so close to the early issues of Spidey that it actually feels like you're reading the comic book.

For me, that makes a pretty darn good comic book movie.

Raimi is about my age, so yeah, it's all right out of issues 40 - 100.
I just felt it coulda been better if Doc Ock was a BAD guy. And Peter walking past that dude that needed help was an obvious emotional manipulation of the audience that was incompatible with Parker's psychological makeup. He wasn't there for Uncle Ben, so he'd never let someone face physical danger if the situation presented itself like that, costume or no.
That said, I really like the movie anyway, mostly for the reasons you stated.
But since #3 is like two movies shoehorned into one 2-hr timeframe, I guess I like it about twice as much.


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Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:28 PM

OPPYH


I've read every issue of Amazing Spiderman(Thank you Marvel Tales) from Amazing Fantasy 15 through issue #350.

I agree that the issues in the 100's were just frikking awesome. Peter gets his own apartment(with skylight) and there just a sense of freedom that I loved reading. Peter on his own, and learning the ropes of life. Moving out of Aunt May's house was the biggest dramatic change in Spidey ever.
Not even getting married to MJ(mistake) was as profound.

Lyn Wein was the absolute best writer for spiderman.

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Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:37 PM

DEWRASTLER


I'll tell you my problems with Spidey 3

1) Sandman. Sandman is a thug IMHO. There really shouldn't be a whole lot of depths to him. Everything they did with his daughter was not necessary. Just make him a bad guy, not a sympathetic bad guy. And the whole part with (and I'll put this in spoilers cause a few of you haven't seen the movie yet)

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being the actual killer of Uncle Ben, and it was an accident to boot

is just plain wrong. No other way to put it. He shouldn't of even been in the movie.
2) Gwen Stacy. If you're not going to have her in the first movie as Peter's original girlfriend, then just ignore her like the cartoons and let's move on. Again, another character who shouldn't have been in the movie.

Things I didn't mind. The changing of Venom's story. I've read/seen so many it didn't bother me. They're all different. The original comics, the cartoon, the Ultimate comics. Since the movies are their own canon, and the original comic story was a way too complex and out there, I'll accept this.

Personally, I thought the this movie should have been solely about Peter and Harry. That's what the other two movies have been building up to. No other villains necessary.


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Monday, October 26, 2009 1:06 AM

LWAVES


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Please, tell me WTF was so good about #2. Alfed Molina is a good actor? JJJ goofing around in Spidey's costume? "This is really heavy."? < that WAS good...


Sorry you didn't like it. To me, it captured what I loved reading the comic books(many years ago) perfectly.
1. The woes of being Peter Parker

2. Spiderman reaches his absolute limit by stopping the train. Overcoming a task that is near impossible for SPidey always made for a good read.

3 Molina was the perfect choice for Doc Ock.

4. The story didn't feel rushed, and played out perfectly.

5. Aunt May in trouble with a super villain....come on, if that isn't right from the pages of classic Spiderman then I don't know what is.

6. The battle between Doc Ock, and Spidey

7. Spiderman loses his power for a spell.

Add it up, and it's so close to the early issues of Spidey that it actually feels like you're reading the comic book.

For me, that makes a pretty darn good comic book movie.




I absolutely and completely agree with this, although I never read the comics so I can't compare it to them, but every point you make is spot on IMO.
The one thing I didn't really like in Spidey 2 was on the train when Peter is out and Doc Ock comes to get him but the passengers stand in the way saying that he'll have to go through them first. It just seemed a little too much of a post 9/11, 'we stick together' moment. A little too corny. Maybe it's because I'm a Johnny Foreigner and you have to be American to really get the sentiment. Or maybe it is just the movie trying to play on feelings for it's own use.

So I really liked Spidey 2, Spidey 1 is still better but 2 is a great sequel.



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Monday, October 26, 2009 1:35 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by chrisisall:
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I loved the dark aspect, the angry need for revenge, the forgiveness for bad timing & placement, and the sacrifice of a true friend...


Chris ol' buddy.

Thing with the Spiderman films - they are the exact same damn plot every film. It's incredibly tedious! I almost put my boot through the TV when poor old Uncle Ben?! Is it...? Is yet again ressurected, only this time from a different angle, to be killed off by yet another hood?! It's frikkin preposterous. Every film we have to go through Pete's anguish at losing his uncle - It's down right lazy film-making.
I'm a huge fan of Sam Raimi (Loved Darkman y'see). But he has either sold his soul to the 'forked one' or he is unable to insist his direction beyond that of the execs financial objectives.

Best thing about Spiderman three - the very artwork you just posted.

That said. If you love it, then let no-one (myself included) spoil your enjoyment of it. Your celebration of it is as legit as anyone's disliking of it.

Peace good buddy.

Ric


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Monday, October 26, 2009 5:46 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
That said. If you love it, then let no-one (myself included) spoil your enjoyment of it. Your celebration of it is as legit as anyone's disliking of it.


You rock, Ric.


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Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Hey, aren't you the one who actually LIKES the SW prequels ?





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Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:27 PM

DEWRASTLER


I just have to say, because of this thread I had to watch Spider-man 3 again today. And you know what, it wasn't as bad as I remembered.

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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Dewrastler:
I just have to say, because of this thread I had to watch Spider-man 3 again today. And you know what, it wasn't as bad as I remembered.

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I never thought it was 'bad'. I actually liked it. But there was just TOO much going on.



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Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:34 AM

RIVERLOVE


I think all the Spiderman movies are great. It's a great cast, and it's always very entertaining. Feel the same way about the Fantastic Four movies. Escapism doesn't have to mean logical or scientific perfection for me. In fact I like it better when it all just rushes at me in the theater. If there's something special about the movie, I will become more of a critic after I watch it on DVD a few hundred times.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:55 AM

STORYMARK


I think 3 had some great action, and some interesting themes it was playing with, but I felt the script was pretty near terrible. The plot is driven by coincidence and contrivances, rather than events developing based on organic character choices. The first time I watched it, I thought it was weak, on rewatch, it kinda pissed me off with it's sloppiness in storytelling.

Actually, I'm being too kind - it was a shit film. 2 is far and away the best of the series - and you ask why? Answer: A solid script.

But this is what happens when a studio strong-arms a filmmaker into doing what they think will sell more merchandise instead of what makes a good story. Raimi never wanted Venom in the film, and was forced to shoe-horn him into the story, and it shows. Even Raimi calls the movie a mess.


Here's a good article by screenwriter John August (Charlie & The Choc Factory, worked on Titan AE with Joss) about the problems in the movie. He's actually just using it as an example of what not to do when writing, but it applies to the conversation:

http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/perils-of-coincidence

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:30 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/perils-of-coincidence


That was a REALLY good piece, something to consider when writing. However, I don't care when it comes to Spider-man, see, in the first one I GOT OVER the fact that they were using Mary Jane instead of Gwen Stacy, and that the actress they picked for MJ was, how shall I put this, not quite the knockout I was used to in the comics. In the second I GOT OVER that Peter left tht guy in the alley to be mugged, and that he got a pyschosomatic need to have his vision corrected by his old glasses.
No coincidence in the third one (And I agree there were some dumb ones, most notably the silent meteor) bugged me as much as the stuff in one or two.
That's my story, and I'm *sticking* to it!


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Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:32 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
I think all the Spiderman movies are great. It's a great cast, and it's always very entertaining. Feel the same way about the Fantastic Four movies.

We REACH!


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Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:01 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/perils-of-coincidence


That was a REALLY good piece, something to consider when writing. However, I don't care when it comes to Spider-man, see, in the first one I GOT OVER the fact that they were using Mary Jane instead of Gwen Stacy, and that the actress they picked for MJ was, how shall I put this, not quite the knockout I was used to in the comics. In the second I GOT OVER that Peter left tht guy in the alley to be mugged, and that he got a pyschosomatic need to have his vision corrected by his old glasses.
No coincidence in the third one (And I agree there were some dumb ones, most notably the silent meteor) bugged me as much as the stuff in one or two.
That's my story, and I'm *sticking* to it!


The laughing Chrisisall



A change from the comic (MJ over Gwen) is a writing choice - not poor writing, as evidenced by 3. The stuff with Peter loosing his power (and eyesight and drive for justice) had a thematic through-line that made sense for the story.

I can "get over" changes from the source material just fine, if they make sense and are done for a plausible reason.

That is not the same as lazy writing. I choose not to "get over" bad writing, because there is no excuse for it. You may not care because it's Spider-Man, but to me, the source is irrelevant, and never an excuse for lousy storytelling (see Transformers 2 as a prime example).

If you like it - cool. But it's not a good movie.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:50 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Storymark:
I can "get over" changes from the source material just fine, if they make sense and are done for a plausible reason.

What if, as a CHOICE, they had made Spider-man's costume gray, with frilly web-things floating around his head?

BTW, the thing with Peter letting the guy get mugged in 2 WAS lazy writing, it was to shock us despite what we know about his character.

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it's not a good movie.


I disagree. I *think* you just have really high expectations. It certainly isn't great. It IS a bit of a mess. BUT, it IS entertaining from a certain point of view.
Story, you will find many of the truths we cling to depend greatly upon our own point of view.





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Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:54 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
What if, as a CHOICE, they had made Spider-man's costume gray, with frilly web-things floating around his head?



IF there was a valid story reason, handled well, I could accept it. To do it just to do it - no.

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BTW, the thing with Peter letting the guy get mugged in 2 WAS lazy writing, it was to shock us despite what we know about his character.


Disagree. It flies in the face of his character as Spider-Man, but works just fine with plain-ol Peter Parker, which is what he was at the time. He was experiencing an existential crisis of character which regressed him to his prior, more selfish and cowardly state.



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I disagree. I *think* you just have really high expectations.


I expect a level of competency in storytelling from an established filmmaker working with the biggest budget ever, yeah. I don't consider it a particularly high expectation to think they should be able to adequately do their job, with all the resources they need readily at hand.

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It certainly isn't great. It IS a bit of a mess. BUT, it IS entertaining from a certain point of view.


Not mine. But sure, even Carrot Top is entertaining to some.

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Story, you will find many of the truths we cling to depend greatly upon our own point of view.



Cute.



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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:30 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
BTW, the thing with Peter letting the guy get mugged in 2 WAS lazy writing, it was to shock us despite what we know about his character.



Disagree. It flies in the face of his character as Spider-Man, but works just fine with plain-ol Peter Parker, which is what he was at the time. He was experiencing an existential crisis of character which regressed him to his prior, more selfish and cowardly state.


Okay, I see almost all of what you're saying, and agree with it to degrees, but this ONE point I seriously believe you're actually wrong on. Pete was never a coward. And after losing Ben to a bit of street violence, his empathy, his REAL empathy would trump any momentary emotional crisis, no matter how twisted up he was in it.

S3 was a good flick, but not a particularly good *movie*. K?


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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:31 PM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by Dewrastler:
Personally, I thought the this movie should have been solely about Peter and Harry. That's what the other two movies have been building up to. No other villains necessary.


Ugh. I absolutely hated that part of the story. In the second movie when Harry finds out Pete is Spidey all he had to say was "I didn't kill your dad the green goblin did". It doesn't out his Dad and he can just say he never told him cause he was protecting his identity as spiderman to help people. Done and done. No he avoids the easy, obvious solution and instead opts for the deadly fight through the skyline of the city. Please.

For the amount of material they tried to pack into that movie I could have done without the travolta walk, the harry and MJ cooking scene, the pete and gwen dance, and then entire amnesia story. I would rather see much more time spent on venom as a bad guy. I would rather have seen symbiote Pete cross some sort of line in the public eye (good J.J. subplot) and let Harry go green goblin in order to stop evil spidey. That I'd believe.

I think they basically wasted too much time in the movie and wasted good characters in Gwen and Venom.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:43 PM

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BTW, the thing with Peter letting the guy get mugged in 2 WAS lazy writing, it was to shock us despite what we know about his character.



Disagree. It flies in the face of his character as Spider-Man, but works just fine with plain-ol Peter Parker, which is what he was at the time. He was experiencing an existential crisis of character which regressed him to his prior, more selfish and cowardly state.


Okay, I see almost all of what you're saying, and agree with it to degrees, but this ONE point I seriously believe you're actually wrong on. Pete was never a coward. And after losing Ben to a bit of street violence, his empathy, his REAL empathy would trump any momentary emotional crisis, no matter how twisted up he was in it.

S3 was a good flick, but not a particularly good *movie*. K?


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Okay, so perhaps "coward" wasn't the best choice of words. Maybe "passive" would be better. And sure, he changed after Ben's death, but his self image and concept of justice were wrapped around his abilities - the "great power/great responsibility" shtick. Without the power, he didn't feel the responsibility, and returned to being the passive person who didn't think he could make a difference. It's not that he doesn't empathize, doesn't care, or wishes to see the other guy get hurt - he's just so low at that point that he doesn't think he can make a difference.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:43 PM

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I think they basically wasted too much time in the movie and wasted good characters in Gwen and Venom.

While I basically agree, I also understand that suits has their demands in the mix. It's a mess, but IMO a pretty good mess, as messes go.


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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:51 PM

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It's not that he doesn't empathize, doesn't care, or wishes to see the other guy get hurt - he's just so low at that point that he doesn't think he can make a difference.


Nope. I still don't buy it, despite your patented eloquence. Years of being Spidey had to develope a deep hero complex in the boy.
Anyway, I felt the power loss thing was poorly reasoned anyway. In the comic that inspired the story, he just gave it up out of frustration (Costume in trash on cover), not some dopey pyschosomatic "condition."

I think there was one where he thought his powers were diminishing, then it turned out he just had the flu, if memory serves that far back.


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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:55 PM

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But he wasn't Spidey anymore. And had only been Spidey for a little over a year, maybe 2, at that point. And people can and have regressed more in less time. The whole point was, his spirit was broken. People don't tend to be heroic when they're broken.

Ah, if only you applied the critical eye you are turning on this one scene to.... well, everything in 3.....

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:09 PM

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Personally, I thought the this movie should have been solely about Peter and Harry. That's what the other two movies have been building up to. No other villains necessary.


Ugh. I absolutely hated that part of the story. In the second movie when Harry finds out Pete is Spidey all he had to say was "I didn't kill your dad the green goblin did". It doesn't out his Dad and he can just say he never told him cause he was protecting his identity as spiderman to help people. Done and done. No he avoids the easy, obvious solution and instead opts for the deadly fight through the skyline of the city. Please.



He doesn't want to lie to his friend. And he does try and talk to Harry about what really happened, and Harry won't listen. He had to save MJ in 2, so no time there. And in 3 Harry ignores him b/c he is fueled by rage. It's a great part of the comics and should have been the full story in this movie.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:11 PM

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Ah, if only you applied the critical eye you are turning on this one scene to.... well, everything in 3.....


I can, and I agree about all the coincidences being loopy, the script feeling lame & the villains doing time-share, but no one was out of character. That one scene in S2 made me ultimately sell my copy after one viewing (I saw it on DVD first) out of anger. After I bought 3, I found S2.5 at Buymore & re-bought it, but with cool extended scenes, PLUS a moment cut from the theatrical that showed Ock's arms defending against Spidey in a way that made their whole first fight make more sense to me!

THWIP!


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Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:22 PM

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It's a great part of the comics and should have been the full story in this movie.


Y'know, would agree with that, except I think we needed a REAL bad guy in it. Someone like Venom or Brock that we could not feel bad about getting killed. Then again, I wouldn't have killed Harry.
Frak.
They should have just let me & Story write the damn thing, then it would have been perfect, and we'd be posting in different threads like: "Storymark & Chrisisall hit superhero gold with Spider-man 3!!!"


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Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:27 PM

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"Storymark & Chrisisall hit superhero gold with Spider-man 3!!!"



There still may be time to get your draft in for Spidey 4 or 5. Do it, you know you want to

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Friday, October 30, 2009 7:07 AM

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Spidey 4 is already in the pipeline.

5&6 maybe....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, November 2, 2009 9:02 AM

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I'll say this . . . S3 was a huge disappointment to me. I mean HUGE. It, unfortunately, fell into the "let's cram as many villains as we can in to this movie" rut that was the downfall of the original Batman flicks. Too many people to flush out and the flushing was done very poorly, IMHO. MaryJane was a whiner-baby through the whole movie. The disco-walk is just about unbearable to watch. Making Venom more of an afterthought with next to NO screen time. Making Sandman a sympathetic unlucky sap. I mean . . . really? But what absolutely KILLS me each time I see this film is that hapless butler. Norman Osborne dies in the first film and Harry goes into revenge mode against Spidey for the next two flicks, destroying his friendships and almost his own life in the process. It's only after he's scarred for life in a horrific fight with Peter that this bozo FINALLY comes up to him and says he cleaned Norman's wounds that fateful night long ago and knew then that the wounds were by Norman's own glider. Um, . . . . HELLOOOOOOO!?!?!?!?! He coulda said that a whole heck of a lot sooner!

All of that said, the movie does have it's good moments, but the bad ones make it almost unbearable for me. I saw this, Pirates 3 and Shrek 3 the same month in the theater and I'll just say that I now refer to that month/year as Black May.

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Monday, November 2, 2009 10:37 AM

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Yeah, that Butler was a total dick.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, November 2, 2009 11:31 AM

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Personally, I thought the this movie should have been solely about Peter and Harry. That's what the other two movies have been building up to. No other villains necessary.


Ugh. I absolutely hated that part of the story. In the second movie when Harry finds out Pete is Spidey all he had to say was "I didn't kill your dad the green goblin did". It doesn't out his Dad and he can just say he never told him cause he was protecting his identity as spiderman to help people. Done and done. No he avoids the easy, obvious solution and instead opts for the deadly fight through the skyline of the city. Please.



He doesn't want to lie to his friend. And he does try and talk to Harry about what really happened, and Harry won't listen. He had to save MJ in 2, so no time there. And in 3 Harry ignores him b/c he is fueled by rage. It's a great part of the comics and should have been the full story in this movie.


"The green goblin killed him" isn't a lie. That's actually the flat out truth. He killed himself. In 2 he didn't even take the time to say "no I didn't". Harry said something like "you killed my father" and Peter just said "that's not important right now" or something lame. That's no how a person would respond. That's a response that fits the story they want to tell. That type of writing is unacceptable IMO.

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Monday, November 2, 2009 12:46 PM

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Yeah, that Butler was a total dick.


But he did have some hi-larious outtakes!


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Monday, November 2, 2009 12:53 PM

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In 2 he didn't even take the time to say "no I didn't". Harry said something like "you killed my father" and Peter just said "that's not important right now" or something lame. That's no how a person would respond. That's a response that fits the story they want to tell. That type of writing is unacceptable IMO.


Harry-
Peter... you killed my father.

Peter-
There are bigger things
happening here than me and you.

I just took it as "no time to debate this."
But yeah, a "no I didn't" thrown in there would have been better.




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